---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/06/12: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:30 AM - Re: Think Ahead Builders (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 03:35 AM - Re: Think Ahead Builders (Jack) 3. 07:15 AM - Re: Think Ahead Builders (kevinpurtee) 4. 07:39 AM - Re: Airlion flies again (Dan Yocum) 5. 07:57 AM - buying a hangar (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 6. 08:34 AM - Re: buying a hangar (Gary Boothe) 7. 08:55 AM - Re: buying a hangar (Ken Bickers) 8. 10:31 AM - Re: buying a hangar (Hans van der Voort) 9. 10:32 AM - Re: buying a hangar (Pilot78) 10. 10:36 AM - Wing border near the center section(covering question) (giacummo) 11. 10:50 AM - Re: buying a hangar (dgaldrich) 12. 10:50 AM - Re: buying a hangar (jarheadpilot82) 13. 11:02 AM - Re: buying a hangar (Jack Phillips) 14. 11:16 AM - Re: buying a hangar (dgaldrich) 15. 12:18 PM - Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (AircamperN11MS) 16. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: buying a hangar (helspersew@aol.com) 17. 03:55 PM - Re: Re: buying a hangar (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 18. 04:13 PM - Re: Re: buying a hangar (Gene Rambo) 19. 04:17 PM - Re: Re: buying a hangar (Andrew Eldredge) 20. 05:40 PM - Re: Think Ahead Builders (taildrags) 21. 05:51 PM - Re: buying a hangar (taildrags) 22. 06:01 PM - forming u shaped brackets (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 23. 07:09 PM - Re: Re: buying a hangar (Brett Phillips) 24. 07:15 PM - Re: forming u shaped brackets (Greg Cardinal) 25. 10:05 PM - Re: forming u shaped brackets (Chris) 26. 11:16 PM - Re: forming u shaped brackets (shad bell) 27. 11:31 PM - Re: Jeopardy (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:30:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Think Ahead Builders From: helspersew@aol.com That's why I have two water temp. gauges. The first one I installed on the "cold" side of the radiator. Duh. I left it there cause it was cool looking . Now I tell everybody I have two so's I can see the beta of the water temp . :O) Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jack Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:35 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Think Ahead Builders Just a reminder, don't rush, measure, think ahead, plan. Just redid my fuel selector. Was proud of the install until I realized after drawing out my fu el system it was on the wrong side. Moved to the port side and all is good. So many interesting details at this stage of the build. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:13 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Think Ahead Builders Well here I go again... Jerry Grogan let me use his big oven to powder coat my gear legs, thanks Jerry! Just realized I still need to weld the mounts for brakes! Jack Textor -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 7:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Think Ahead Builders Just a reminder, don't rush, measure, think ahead, plan. Just redid my fuel selector. Was proud of the install until I realized after drawing out my fuel system it was on the wrong side. Moved to the port side and all is good. So many interesting details at this stage of the build. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Think Ahead Builders From: "kevinpurtee" You're the only one who's made that mistake, Jack... -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389952#389952 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:32 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again Good on you, Gardiner! And, I'll be honest - I think this one looks better'n the last one! do not archive On 12/04/2012 04:46 PM, Gardiner Mason wrote: > Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies > great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now > a member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org > ) for old geezers who have flown as a PIC > after their 80th birthday. > > -Gardiner Mason ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:15 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of hangars that will be constructed this spring. It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, etc? Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:28 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice... Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that, somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar --> Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of hangars that will be constructed this spring. It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, etc? Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar From: Ken Bickers Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built. Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too many outlets. Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the removal of the snow berm as it begins to form. Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet. In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd like. Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice... > > Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water > from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and > making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile > the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find > a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that, > somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > --> > > > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of > hangars that will be constructed this spring. > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It > will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. > We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. > > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. > > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, > etc? > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:01 AM PST US From: Hans van der Voort Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar Having a hangar in Texas the best feature is proper insultation to keep the summer heat out.=0ASecondly door or windows oposing the main hangar door t o get cross flow cooling by opening them up.=0AFans as back up, I use small portable fans, but planning to build a large ceiling fan.=0A-=0ASeal the doors-to keep critters and snakes out.=0A-=0AThe rest depends on-wha t you use your hangar for, storing aircraft or building one.=0A-=0AIf you build one, -you never have enough power outlets, have 4 on each wall and still not enough.=0ACompressed air system with proper 220V Compressor=0AMo re Lights, specially above work space.=0A-=0AOther must haves:=0AChairs t o sit on=0AFridge to keep the Beer cool=0ABBQ to burn some meat=0A-=0AHav e fun=0A-=0AHans=0ANX15KV- =0A=0A________________________________=0A Fr om: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 9:57 AM=0A Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar=0A =0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" =0A=0A=0ACould I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new se t of hangars that will be constructed this spring. =0AIt will be 40 x 32 wi th side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. =0A=0AI will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. =0A=0AAny advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, etc? =0A=0ABlue Skies,=0A ============= ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar From: "Pilot78" Steve, You will definitely want more outlets, you can never have enough. Also good lighting and some sort of heat for the winters, and fans for the summer. When I purchase my hangar it was insulated, had good HO lighting, natural gas heat, and a bathroom. I added many more outlets, along with pull-downs from the ceiling. I also did epoxy floor coating and added a Town-home style apartment on the back side of the hangar. I love living at the airport and the wife does too. My next hangar improvement will be air-conditioning for the work area of the shop.. Today its cold and rainy with snow on the way, I can kick on the heat, turn on the big lights and work till midnight in a t-shirt, then go in take a shower, go up stairs turn on the TV, kiss the wife and then go to bed. Life is good. Brian SLC-UT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389965#389965 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9250464_196.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p92504661_201.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9250465_196.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing border near the center section(covering question) From: "giacummo" I want to know how do you finish the wing border (3 piece wing) aside the center section. If you have any photos .. best. I think close it with plywood, but it is necesary?.. I am thinking in how to cover or not this side. thank you -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389967#389967 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar From: "dgaldrich" Second the motion about the lights and outlets. Never have too many. I put a double box (2 normal house type outlets, 4 plugs total) about every 6 feet and that is almost not enough in some places. Don't forget the 220 outlets for things like welders, compressors, etc and the fact that the heater, if you have one, will need its own dedicated circuit. My hangar in Maine has the tubing in the concrete floor for radiant heat. Haven't hooked it up yet but the guys that did the same, LOVE it. The incremental cost of the tubing was very small in comparison to the ease of operation and efficiency. I think current electrical code requires vapor-tight lights and they ain't cheap. Check with your local electrician. I put 12 of the 2 tube 4 foot fixtures in my hangar (same size as yours) and it's about right. Also have a couple cheapos on plug in cords over the work bench. That IS enough. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389968#389968 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar From: "jarheadpilot82" You guys are making me jealous. A friend of mine asked me to do some checking to find out what it would take to put a grass strip and hangar on land in my county. County ordinance requires- -50 acre minimum -no more than one hangar and 3 airplanes - ever -a grass strip including lateral clear space 200 feet on each side of centerline (400 feet wide) by 2500 feet long with 400 feet of over run and underrun (at each end) totalling 3300 linear feet. I will do the math for you- that is 30 ACRES OF RUNWAY AREA! Unbelievable for a guy wanting to put a Piet in his backyard! And that doesn't count the restrictions from other homes. Again - unbelievable! You guys are lucky indeed to have a hangar. I know it may not be where you live (except Brian), but you are lucky (blessed) nonetheless to have your own hangar. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389969#389969 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:00 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar There's no such thing as too much light or too many electrical outlets. As long as you have water and septic, might as well put in a toilet, and maybe even a shower. You never know when the wife might turn "Loreena Bobbitt" on you and you'll need a place to stay Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia Where for the next several months we are actually living in our hangar -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of hangars that will be constructed this spring. It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, etc? Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar From: "dgaldrich" One more thing.... Before you move all your crap in, paint the floor with the good 2 part stuff. I've used Sherwin Williams on a garage and the hangar and the only way to get it off is with a chisel. I've spilled every liquid you can buy at Home Depot or AutoZone (MEK, dot 3 brake fluid, oil, gasoline, acetone, toluene, etc) and nothing touches it. The trick is to get the good stuff and it isn't cheap. I think the new name for it is Armor Seal Floorthane T-1000 or something similar. It's in the industrial catalog so you'll need to corral the one guy who knows where to find it. Runs $100+ a gallon but you only do it once. Prep according to the instructions or you WILL do it twice. Been on the floor of my garage for 10 years looks as good as when I put it down. I hope you enjoy all of us kibitzers. We do mean well.... Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389971#389971 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) From: "AircamperN11MS" most guys will install metal farings that can be removed for inspection purposes or wing removal. I chose to just cover mine with fabric and call it a day. I figure that if I ever need to remove the wings, I will just cut the fabric and replace it later. Perhaps there are pics on the west coast Piet site. There is a lot to see there. Good luck, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389975#389975 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar From: helspersew@aol.com Boys, There are huge advantages to living in the "backwoods" of N.W. Tennessee. W e do what we want with our own property. No restrictions whatsoever on putt ing a grass strip on your own property. NO building permits required for an ything under 5000 sq. ft. A funny story was related to me by a member of o ur local EAA chapter. He was living in CA and wanted to move here. He calle d the State of TN Department of Aviation with a question. "What does one ha ve to do to put in a grass strip on his own property"?. The boy on the othe r end said "Well,....usually they start off with a bulldozer....." Love it here! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: jarheadpilot82 Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:50 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar ail.com> You guys are making me jealous. A friend of mine asked me to do some checki ng to find out what it would take to put a grass strip and hangar on land in my county. County ordinance requires- -50 acre minimum -no more than one hangar and 3 airplanes - ever -a grass strip including lateral clear space 200 feet on each side of cente rline (400 feet wide) by 2500 feet long with 400 feet of over run and underrun (a t each end) totalling 3300 linear feet. I will do the math for you- that is 3 0 ACRES OF RUNWAY AREA! Unbelievable for a guy wanting to put a Piet in his backyard! And that doesn't count the restrictions from other homes. Again - unbelieva ble! You guys are lucky indeed to have a hangar. I know it may not be where you live (except Brian), but you are lucky (blessed) nonetheless to have your own ha ngar. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389969#389969 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:06 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar In nonurban Texas. 10 acres is required for a runway for my vtail. 100 ft wide by a half mile long. ok if it is in west Texas you can cut the width inhalf so 5 acres. but no one wants to sell me a 50 ft wide strip of land. ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar > > Boys, > > There are huge advantages to living in the "backwoods" of N.W. > Tennessee. We do what we want with our own property. No > restrictions whatsoever on putting a grass strip on your own > property. NO building permits required for anything under 5000 sq. > ft. A funny story was related to me by a member of our local EAA > chapter. He was living in CA and wanted to move here. He called the > State of TN Department of Aviation with a question. "What does one > have to do to put in a grass strip on his own property"?. The boy > on the other end said "Well,....usually they start off with a > bulldozer....." > Love it here! > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jarheadpilot82 < > To: pietenpol-list < > Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:50 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar > > > > You guys are making me jealous. A friend of mine asked me to do some checking to > find out what it would take to put a grass strip and hangar on land in my > county. County ordinance requires- > > -50 acre minimum > -no more than one hangar and 3 airplanes - ever > -a grass strip including lateral clear space 200 feet on each side of centerline > (400 feet wide) by 2500 feet long with 400 feet of over run and underrun (at > each end) totalling 3300 linear feet. I will do the math for you- that is 30 > ACRES OF RUNWAY AREA! Unbelievable for a guy wanting to put a Piet in his > backyard! > > And that doesn't count the restrictions from other homes. Again - unbelievable! > > You guys are lucky indeed to have a hangar. I know it may not be where you live > (except Brian), but you are lucky (blessed) nonetheless to have your own hangar. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389969#389969 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:02 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar That is classic!! That is what I grew up with in Georgia. In Virginia, t he way you start is "NO"... Gene On Dec 6, 2012, at 6:18 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > Boys, > > There are huge advantages to living in the "backwoods" of N.W. Tennessee. W e do what we want with our own property. No restrictions whatsoever on putti ng a grass strip on your own property. NO building permits required for anyt hing under 5000 sq. ft. A funny story was related to me by a member of our l ocal EAA chapter. He was living in CA and wanted to move here. He called the State of TN Department of Aviation with a question. "What does one have to d o to put in a grass strip on his own property"?. The boy on the other end sa id "Well,....usually they start off with a bulldozer....." > > Love it here! > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > -----Original Message----- > From: jarheadpilot82 > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:50 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar > mail.com> > > You guys are making me jealous. A friend of mine asked me to do some check ing to > find out what it would take to put a grass strip and hangar on land in my > county. County ordinance requires- > > -50 acre minimum > -no more than one hangar and 3 airplanes - ever > -a grass strip including lateral clear space 200 feet on each side of cent erline > (400 feet wide) by 2500 feet long with 400 feet of over run and underrun ( at > each end) totalling 3300 linear feet. I will do the math for you- that is 3 0 > ACRES OF RUNWAY AREA! Unbelievable for a guy wanting to put a Piet in his > backyard! > > And that doesn't count the restrictions from other homes. Again - unbeliev able! > > You guys are lucky indeed to have a hangar. I know it may not be where you live > (except Brian), but you are lucky (blessed) nonetheless to have your own h angar. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389969#389969 > > > > > > > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com > " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar From: Andrew Eldredge I am nearly overcome with a sudden urge to move to Tennessee. Andrew Eldredge Provo, UT On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > g in the "backwoods" of N.W. Tennessee. We do what we want with our own > property. No restrictions whatsoever on putting a grass strip on your own > property. NO building permits required for anything under 5000 sq. ft. A > funny story was related to me by a member of our local EAA chapter. He was > living in CA and wanted to move here. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Think Ahead Builders From: "taildrags" Hey, Dan- don't you mean the *delta* of the water temp, or is the fish scale thrust directly proportional to the *beta* of the water temp on water-cooled engines? do not archive -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389986#389986 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar From: "taildrags" Steve; You saw what Randy, Craig, and I had at 8T8. I echo most of the sentiments from the others, and emphasize the following, if you'll only be there during fun times and not spending whole days at a time: -we always got grass clippings, dust, and driving rain in under the hangar doors until we installed some hanging-down carpet strips on the bottom of the doors. We kept some long boards handy, "weather boards", to anchor the strips to the floor when driving storms were expected from the direction of the hangar doors. You don't want water in your hangar. -the hangars that adjoined ours didn't have any protection from driving rain in under the doors of their hangars, so if it got into their hangars, it got into ours. Good insurance to find discarded pallets to stack stuff on in case water gets in. Water is not good for most things that we keep in hangars. -you will never have enough plugs. I had a 25 ft. cord reel that I never installed but it would have been very, very handy. You always need power around the hangar. -go vertical with stuff. Most hangars have high walls and ceilings, so go vertical or you'll waste all the volume in the upper reaches of your hangar. -Randy applied a nice garage floor coating on the hangar floor when he got it, and it is great to always have a durable, clean, attractive floor. The Lowe's type stuff goes on pretty easy. If the floor is handsome, you'll tend to keep the place cleaner. -you can never have too much light in a hangar, but it will never be in the right place ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389987#389987 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:07 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the second bend to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend a fter the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense). I tried plac ing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but as close as I get=2C I'm not happy with the result. The bend is just too loos e. Any suggestions? Tom B. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:06 PM PST US From: "Brett Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar To the original poster: Whatever you do, don=99t buy the whole field. Just buy the hangar if you want to have time to build and fly. If you end up with the whole field, you may find that you become less an aviator, and more an agriculturalist. Be careful, I speak from experience. Gene: That=99s because you live on the wrong side of the mountain! Out here in the Shenandoah Valley, we still have a few freedoms (at least until the city folks find out). Brett Phillips Working on a model A in Strasburg, VA, about 15 miles east of West By God Virginia. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:13 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar That is classic!! That is what I grew up with in Georgia. In Virginia, the way you start is "NO"... Gene ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:36 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets Steel bar stock is your friend. Bar stock, a little clamping creativity and a soft-faced, dead blow hammer is a low cost way bend metal. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 8:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the second bend to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense). I tried placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result. The bend is just too loose. Any suggestions? Tom B. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:19 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets Tom Like Greg said, find two pieces of bar stock . I used some 1/4 inch x 1.5 inch x 6 inch bar scrap I found at a local metal dealer (much cheaper than Home Depot Aircraft Supply). Clamp one end in the vice and use big C clamp on the other end to clamp the piece between them. Then bend the steel fitting. It might twist while beating so just reset it in the vice. I didn't have a soft hammer so I used a block of hardwood between the hammer and the steel. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE BRANT Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 6:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the second bend to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense). I tried placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result. The bend is just too loose. Any suggestions? Tom B. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:07 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets I had to make some "U" bends in .090 4130 for some aileron hinges on the Ju ngster 1 I am building, and they were a pain in the butt.- They were made out of 2 in strips, and the short leg was only 1 inch, and long leg about 2.5 in deep.- I went to the hardware store and bought 1 inch keystock, I radiused the corners and used the key stock as a male die.- I cut the bla nks a little long, and pressed with my bottle jack press, the key stock bet ween a female die made of oak boards.- This was a pretty good way of bend ing the steel, it was bent cold.- I still had to do a little bit of finis hing with a hammer and vise to get the bottom of the "U" flat.- I did hav e 2 or 3 oh $h1T moments when the key stock flew across the shop at mach 2 when it slipped out of the press under 20 tons of force, but luckily it did not hit me or the airplane.- It might be easier just to heat the steel a nd bend it, but I think I read some where that bending while red hot can fracture the grain of the metal.- Hope this helps, even if only an exsam ple of what can happen. - Shad --- On Fri, 12/7/12, Chris wrote: From: Chris Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets #yiv863117417 .yiv863117417hmmessage P { PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-TO P:0px;} #yiv863117417 BODY.yiv863117417hmmessage { FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;FONT-SIZE:10pt;} Tom - Like Greg said, find two pieces of bar stock .--- I used some 1/4 inc h x-1.5 inch x 6 inch bar scrap I found at a local metal dealer (much che aper than Home Depot Aircraft Supply).- Clamp one end in the vice and use big C clamp on the other end-to clamp the piece between them. Then bend the steel fitting. It might twist while beating so just reset it in the vic e.- I didn't have a soft hammer so I used-a block of hardwood between t he hammer and the steel. - Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE BRANT Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 6:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets which hold the center section.- I cannot get enough bend in the second be nd to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense).- I tried placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result.- The bend is just too loose.- Any suggestions? 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