Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Fri 12/07/12


Total Messages Posted: 29



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:30 AM - Re: Re: buying a hangar (Clif Dawson)
     2. 03:04 AM - Re: forming u shaped brackets (Jack)
     3. 04:10 AM - Re: Re: Think Ahead Builders (helspersew@aol.com)
     4. 04:13 AM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Michael Perez)
     5. 04:23 AM - Re: buying a hangar (Jerry Dotson)
     6. 04:28 AM - Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (giacummo)
     7. 04:43 AM - forming u shaped brackets (santiago morete)
     8. 05:27 AM - Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (AircamperN11MS)
     9. 05:42 AM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Michael Perez)
    10. 05:48 AM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Michael Perez)
    11. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Michael Perez)
    12. 06:09 AM - Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (AircamperN11MS)
    13. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (C N Campbell)
    14. 06:50 AM - Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (giacummo)
    15. 06:51 AM - Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (giacummo)
    16. 07:30 AM - Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
    17. 07:48 AM - Pietenpol quotes in The Great Waldo Pepper... (aerocarjake)
    18. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Michael Perez)
    19. 07:55 AM - Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (giacummo)
    20. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: buying a hangar (John Fay)
    21. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: buying a hangar (Jack)
    22. 12:14 PM - Re: buying a hangar (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
    23. 12:31 PM - Re: buying a hangar (Ken Bickers)
    24. 01:05 PM - Re: buying a hangar (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
    25. 01:06 PM - Re: buying a hangar (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
    26. 02:56 PM - Re: buying a hangar (Gene Rambo)
    27. 03:35 PM - Re: buying a hangar (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
    28. 03:46 PM - Re: buying a hangar (C N Campbell)
    29. 04:46 PM - Re: forming u shaped brackets (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:30:00 AM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: buying a hangar
    Here in the Great White North all land, sea and ice is federaly mandated as airfield ready. There have been a number of legal battles over that from provincial and municipal governments but they have lost every time. The only place not allowed is in a "built up area". That's reasonable. Also, being a federal responsibility, there's no compliance with local building codes required either. Of course a little common sense does make life somewhat easier for all concerned. Clif A Canadian is someone who knows how to make love in a canoe. Pierre Burton I am nearly overcome with a sudden urge to move to Tennessee. Andrew Eldredge Provo, UT


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    Time: 03:04:43 AM PST US
    From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: forming u shaped brackets
    Tom I'm not sure what part you are talking about but for good 90 degree bends like this http://textors.com/cabane_fittings_015.jpg I use a brake to get the bend started and then finish forming over a piece of steel bar like this http://textors.com/IMG_7502_1600x1067.jpg. Using 2 bars with relief for a good radius helps like this http://textors.com/cabane_fittings_010.jpg Forr higher radius bends I clamped with a clamp over a round like this http://textors.com/IMG_7535_1600x1067.jpg Jack Textor _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE BRANT Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 8:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the second bend to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense). I tried placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result. The bend is just too loose. Any suggestions? Tom B.


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    Time: 04:10:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Think Ahead Builders
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Oscar, you are correct......delta. I forget my Greek these days. It has been a long time since H.S. physics. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:41 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Think Ahead Builders Hey, Dan- don't you mean the *delta* of the water temp, or is the fish scal e thrust directly proportional to the *beta* of the water temp on water-coole d engines? do not archive -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389986#389986


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    Time: 04:13:58 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
    Scott, I've never considered just "covering the gap" with fabric...I like i t!- I assume you have had no issues with it that way. (I don't know why y ou would.)- I believe I will try the same idea, thanks for the tip! Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 04:23:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: buying a hangar
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    Here in NW Florida we have the building permit thing BUT my land is classified agricultural. I built my hangar as a "pole barn" with no permits required. To meet the pole barn requirement it has to have wood or metal "POLES" in the ground. My hangar was built with the budget in mind, dirt floor and incandescent lights with aluminum pie pans for reflectors. It is 40 X 50 X 12 clearance to accommodate my 5th wheel camper. Hindsight is so accurate....if I built another it would be 50 X 60 X 12. Each to his on thing some of my friends have hangars that the light fixtures cost more than my hangar did. I wired and did the lights myself. I installed a 100 amp service so I could weld in there if needed but I did all that in my shop. My hangar cost $11,500. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390002#390002 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a31_505.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/a32_123.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/a33_318.jpg


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    Time: 04:28:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
    From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
    May be I make the wrong question. I want to figure how do you cover the wing in this side. Where do I attach the fabric?.. I have to wrap de rib? (in this case the side keep open) How do you do it? -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390003#390003


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    Time: 04:43:15 AM PST US
    From: santiago morete <moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar>
    Subject: forming u shaped brackets
    Or...... -http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1858922506=0A=0ASantiago -


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    Time: 05:27:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Michael, No, I have never had an issue with it being covered. I only have the two wing attach bolts in there and have never needed to get to them until I rebuilt the plane. It was covered for 29 years like that and now has been covered another 12 years, 41 years total like that. All the hardware was tight when removed. If someone still wanted to have access to those attach point they could put small inspection plates at those joints. I have no need for them. It also helps with the one piece wig look while enjoying the benefits of the three piece wing. Ahh, the choices we have to make while we build, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390005#390005


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    Time: 05:42:55 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
    Well, all that sounds good to me! I will try it as well.- Thanks. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 05:48:16 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
    Mario, I skinned the sides of the center section and attaching wing root si des with plywood.- Without it, you will need to cut, fit and wrap the fab ric around the cap strip. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 05:52:22 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
    Scott, another question: Prior to applying the fabric "trim", did you fly t he plane first to be sure no wing adjustments were needed?- I would assum e even if an adjustment was needed, the movement at the joint would be mini mal...causing some slight wrinkles mostly... Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 06:09:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Actually I did fly it first. I'm not sure that it would really make a difference. When you make trim adjustments, only the wing tips move. The wing roots are bolted solid and should never move. I left the end 4 inches of the fabric finished through the Poly-Brush stage. This gave me an area to attach the fabric to. then finish through paint. It worked out well for me. The hardest part is covering the whole plane for the painting. I used that thin painters plastic from the local hardware store. Took about three hours to cover it well. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390009#390009


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    Time: 06:19:33 AM PST US
    From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
    Michael, I have never seen plywood covering called for on the 4 ribs at the ends of the center section and the wing panels on any of the plans. If it's good enough for Mr. Pietenpol, it's good enough for me. I figure the vertical pieces in the 4 butt ribs are to take care of the stress of stretching the fabric accross those ribs. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 7:13 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) Scott, I've never considered just "covering the gap" with fabric...I like it! I assume you have had no issues with it that way. (I don't know why you would.) I believe I will try the same idea, thanks for the tip! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 06:50:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
    From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
    Too much answers out of topic... how do you cover this side?... the yellow marked; do you take the fabric from top of the wing to bootom around the rib, or you put a playwood piece like the photo Michael post (but in the wing, not the center section..) I am thinking in the stretching process, the fabric stretch a lot in 4 m, around half a meter, and the forces over the last rib will be very strong; this ribb have reinforces for this, so it's necesary a plywodd section like the center section there? -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390011#390011


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    Time: 06:51:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
    From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
    the picture.... -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390012#390012 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/costado_103.png


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    Time: 07:30:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
    From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm@gmail.com>
    On the Tree-Piece Wing Supplement plans it shows the plywood on the center section and wing panel butt ribs. Top and bottom. Hope this helps -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390015#390015 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_ply_brace_112.jpg


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    Time: 07:48:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Pietenpol quotes in The Great Waldo Pepper...
    From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
    It's amazing how many direct quotes about building a Pietenpol Air Camper are in the Great Waldo Pepper (the patron saint movie of Pietenpol builders...) For example: "I thought I was done..." "That was a mistake..." "The people are kinda nutty but you get used to it..." "but how can a guy like you be in debt for $40,000...?" ...and my favorite - the one I plan to paint on the turtle-deck behind my pilot's seat: "Perhaps we'll have a chance to fly together..." -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390016#390016


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    Time: 07:48:59 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
    Understood. I'm painting by brush, so adding the fabric trim and paint out at the hangar as opposed to my home shop-will be somewhat easy. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 07:55:58 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
    From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
    Thank you Curt, I saw this picture uncounted times, and I never understood what this butt rib was.. until now. Best regards. -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390018#390018


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    Time: 08:55:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: buying a hangar
    From: John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com>
    Jerry, Could you tell us what size your runway is (length and width)? John Fay in Peoria Starting to glue my fuselage together this afternoon.


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    Time: 11:50:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: buying a hangar
    From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
    Jerry what a beautiful setup, plus a ficus to boot! I hope to visit one day. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Dec 7, 2012, at 6:23 AM, "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net> wrote: > > Here in NW Florida we have the building permit thing BUT my land is classified agricultural. I built my hangar as a "pole barn" with no permits required. To meet the pole barn requirement it has to have wood or metal "POLES" in the ground. My hangar was built with the budget in mind, dirt floor and incandescent lights with aluminum pie pans for reflectors. It is 40 X 50 X 12 clearance to accommodate my 5th wheel camper. Hindsight is so accurate....if I built another it would be 50 X 60 X 12. Each to his on thing some of my friends have hangars that the light fixtures cost more than my hangar did. I wired and did the lights myself. I installed a 100 amp service so I could weld in there if needed but I did all that in my shop. My hangar cost $11,500. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > > First flight June 16,2012 > Started building July, 2009 > Lycoming O-235 C2C > Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390002#390002 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/a31_505.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/a32_123.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/a33_318.jpg > > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:14:56 PM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Re: buying a hangar
    Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?) I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio. Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm. I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable. I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but a Bob wire fence and half of that is down. Blue Skies, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It > was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long > time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built. > Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too > many outlets. > > Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your > decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of > snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more > quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is > the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off > the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the > west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any > snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the > hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a > gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the > removal of the snow berm as it begins to form. > > Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet. > In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the > hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn > heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the > outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my > work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more > effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd > like. > > Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken > > On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe < wrote: > > > > Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice... > > > > Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water > > from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and > > making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile > > the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find > > a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that, > > somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice. > > > > Gary Boothe > > NX308MB > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, > > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > > > --> < > > > > > > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of > > hangars that will be constructed this spring. > > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It > > will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. > > We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. > > > > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. > > > > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, > > etc? > > > > Blue Skies, > > Steve D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:31:56 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: buying a hangar
    From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
    Steve, I know that country well. I was raised outside of Austin. My wife is from Lubbock. My dad grew up in Slaton. I've even had the experience of being snowed in while at a horse show in San Antonio, during the great blizzard of '72 or maybe '73. I believe that was the last time San Antonio saw snow that measured two inches in depth. Your hangar issues will probably have to do more with heat, humidity, and drainage. The heat and humidity are best dealt with by installing a fridge to keep beer cooled sufficiently to keep your body temperature at a level where consciousness is possible. As for drainage, when those hurricanes and tropical storms stall out over south Texas, they seem to dump unbelievable volumes of water that has to go somewhere. You may need to build your hangar on stilts. That will help keep the snakes out, too. Cheers, Ken On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote: > > Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?) I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio. > > Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm. > > I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable. > > I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but a Bob wire fence and half of that is down. > > Blue Skies, > Steve > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> > Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07 > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > >> >> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It >> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long >> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built. >> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too >> many outlets. >> >> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your >> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of >> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more >> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is >> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off >> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the >> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any >> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the >> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a >> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the >> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form. >> >> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet. >> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the >> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn >> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the >> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my >> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more >> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd >> like. >> >> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken >> >> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe < wrote: >> > >> > Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice... >> > >> > Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water >> > from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and >> > making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile >> > the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find >> > a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that, >> > somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice. >> > >> > Gary Boothe >> > NX308MB >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, >> > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB >> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM >> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar >> > >> > --> < >> > >> > >> > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of >> > hangars that will be constructed this spring. >> > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It >> > will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. >> > We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. >> > >> > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. >> > >> > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, >> > etc? >> > >> > Blue Skies, >> > Steve D >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 01:05:28 PM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Re: buying a hangar
    At the initial hangar planning meeting everyone voiced a concern about keeping water out. I was in a rented hangar here before. Good hangar, except when a driving rainstorm came from the north. It blew water under the door. so you had a 1/16th inch puddle in the hangar. Then with the high humidity it took forever to dry out. An old architect told me to design your building so that there was no way water could get in. Then make it 6 inches higher! The floors will slope toward the door and ramp will slope toward the taxiway. We are on the "high" end of this field. drainage is a big deal. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > Steve, > > I know that country well. I was raised outside of Austin. My wife is > from Lubbock. My dad grew up in Slaton. I've even had the experience > of being snowed in while at a horse show in San Antonio, during the > great blizzard of '72 or maybe '73. I believe that was the last time > San Antonio saw snow that measured two inches in depth. > > Your hangar issues will probably have to do more with heat, humidity, > and drainage. The heat and humidity are best dealt with by installing > a fridge to keep beer cooled sufficiently to keep your body > temperature at a level where consciousness is possible. As for > drainage, when those hurricanes and tropical storms stall out over > south Texas, they seem to dump unbelievable volumes of water that has > to go somewhere. You may need to build your hangar on stilts. That > will help keep the snakes out, too. > > Cheers, Ken > > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB > < wrote: > > > > Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?) I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio. > > > > Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm. > > > > I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable. > > > > I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but a Bob wire fence and half of that is down. > > > > Blue Skies, > > Steve > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ken Bickers < > > Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07 > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > > >> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It > >> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long > >> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built. > >> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too > >> many outlets. > >> > >> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your > >> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of > >> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more > >> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is > >> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off > >> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the > >> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any > >> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the > >> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a > >> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the > >> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form. > >> > >> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet. > >> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the > >> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn > >> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the > >> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my > >> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more > >> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd > >> like. > >> > >> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken > >> > >> > Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice... > >> > > >> > Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water > >> > from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and > >> > making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile > >> > the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find > >> > a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that, > >> > somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice. > >> > > >> > Gary Boothe > >> > NX308MB > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > >> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, > >> > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB > >> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM > >> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > >> > > >> > --> <>> > > >> > > >> > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of > >> > hangars that will be constructed this spring. > >> > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It > >> > will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. > >> > We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. > >> > > >> > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. > >> > > >> > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, > >> > etc? > >> > > >> > Blue Skies, > >> > Steve D > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 01:06:21 PM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Re: buying a hangar
    Oh I forgot to tell you. The Texas Panhandle was talking about seceeding from Texas. But they said Lubbock had to go with the Panhandle and so the whole deal was off. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > Steve, > > I know that country well. I was raised outside of Austin. My wife is > from Lubbock. My dad grew up in Slaton. I've even had the experience > of being snowed in while at a horse show in San Antonio, during the > great blizzard of '72 or maybe '73. I believe that was the last time > San Antonio saw snow that measured two inches in depth. > > Your hangar issues will probably have to do more with heat, humidity, > and drainage. The heat and humidity are best dealt with by installing > a fridge to keep beer cooled sufficiently to keep your body > temperature at a level where consciousness is possible. As for > drainage, when those hurricanes and tropical storms stall out over > south Texas, they seem to dump unbelievable volumes of water that has > to go somewhere. You may need to build your hangar on stilts. That > will help keep the snakes out, too. > > Cheers, Ken > > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB > < wrote: > > > > Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?) I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio. > > > > Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm. > > > > I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable. > > > > I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but a Bob wire fence and half of that is down. > > > > Blue Skies, > > Steve > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ken Bickers < > > Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07 > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > > >> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It > >> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long > >> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built. > >> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too > >> many outlets. > >> > >> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your > >> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of > >> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more > >> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is > >> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off > >> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the > >> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any > >> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the > >> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a > >> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the > >> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form. > >> > >> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet. > >> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the > >> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn > >> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the > >> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my > >> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more > >> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd > >> like. > >> > >> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken > >> > >> > Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice... > >> > > >> > Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water > >> > from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and > >> > making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile > >> > the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find > >> > a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that, > >> > somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice. > >> > > >> > Gary Boothe > >> > NX308MB > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > >> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, > >> > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB > >> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM > >> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > >> > > >> > --> <>> > > >> > > >> > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of > >> > hangars that will be constructed this spring. > >> > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It > >> > will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. > >> > We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. > >> > > >> > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. > >> > > >> > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, > >> > etc? > >> > > >> > Blue Skies, > >> > Steve D > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 02:56:54 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: buying a hangar
    From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
    Nobody but a city slicker from the "panhandle" would call barbed wire "bob wire"! Gene On Dec 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote: > > Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?) I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio. > > Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm. > > I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable. > > I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but a Bob wire fence and half of that is down. > > Blue Skies, > Steve > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> > Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07 > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > >> >> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It >> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long >> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built. >> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too >> many outlets. >> >> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your >> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of >> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more >> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is >> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off >> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the >> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any >> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the >> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a >> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the >> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form. >> >> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet. >> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the >> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn >> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the >> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my >> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more >> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd >> like. >> >> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken >> >> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe < wrote: >>> >>> Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice... >>> >>> Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water >>> from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and >>> making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile >>> the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find >>> a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that, >>> somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice. >>> >>> Gary Boothe >>> NX308MB >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, >>> Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB >>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar >>> >>> --> < >>> >>> >>> Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of >>> hangars that will be constructed this spring. >>> It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It >>> will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. >>> We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. >>> >>> I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. >>> >>> Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, >>> etc? >>> >>> Blue Skies, >>> Steve D >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > >


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    Time: 03:35:37 PM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Re: buying a hangar
    Actually prounounced BOB WAIR. I was raised in Morse (find that on a map) and near Middle Well, Texas. Some time was spent in Buna Vista (near Borger.) I only give Amarillo (pronounced Amarilla) Biggest town I lived in growing up was Dumas Populatioin 15000. Blue Skies. Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > Nobody but a city slicker from the "panhandle" would call barbed wire "bob wire"! > > Gene > > On Dec 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" < wrote: > > > > > Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?) I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio. > > > > Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm. > > > > I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable. > > > > I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but a Bob wire fence and half of that is down. > > > > Blue Skies, > > Steve > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ken Bickers < > > Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07 > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > > >> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It > >> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long > >> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built. > >> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too > >> many outlets. > >> > >> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your > >> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of > >> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more > >> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is > >> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off > >> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the > >> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any > >> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the > >> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a > >> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the > >> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form. > >> > >> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet. > >> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the > >> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn > >> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the > >> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my > >> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more > >> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd > >> like. > >> > >> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken > >> > >>> Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice... > >>> > >>> Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water > >>> from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and > >>> making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile > >>> the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find > >>> a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that, > >>> somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice. > >>> > >>> Gary Boothe > >>> NX308MB > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > >>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, > >>> Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB > >>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM > >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > >>> > >>> --> <>>> > >>> > >>> Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of > >>> hangars that will be constructed this spring. > >>> It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It > >>> will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. > >>> We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. > >>> > >>> I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. > >>> > >>> Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, > >>> etc? > >>> > >>> Blue Skies, > >>> Steve D > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:46:07 PM PST US
    From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: buying a hangar
    Gene, I thought of that but didn't dare say it!!! Chuck Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo@msn.com> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > Nobody but a city slicker from the "panhandle" would call barbed wire "bob > wire"! > > Gene > > On Dec 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" > <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote: > >> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> >> >> Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do >> with when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is >> it 52?) I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio. >> >> Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that >> cold down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here >> are crazy when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that >> is a rubberized mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and >> keeping your feet warm. >> >> I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable. >> >> I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me >> very little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North >> Pole but a Bob wire fence and half of that is down. >> >> Blue Skies, >> Steve >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> >> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07 >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >> >>> >>> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It >>> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long >>> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built. >>> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too >>> many outlets. >>> >>> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your >>> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of >>> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more >>> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is >>> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off >>> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the >>> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any >>> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the >>> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a >>> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the >>> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form. >>> >>> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet. >>> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the >>> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn >>> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the >>> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my >>> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more >>> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd >>> like. >>> >>> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe < wrote: >>>> >>>> Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice... >>>> >>>> Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging >>>> water >>>> from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets >>>> and >>>> making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, >>>> meanwhile >>>> the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to >>>> find >>>> a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping >>>> that, >>>> somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice. >>>> >>>> Gary Boothe >>>> NX308MB >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, >>>> Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM >>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar >>>> >>>> NGB" >>>> --> < >>>> >>>> >>>> Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of >>>> hangars that will be constructed this spring. >>>> It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a >>>> hangar. It >>>> will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to >>>> it. >>>> We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. >>>> >>>> I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. >>>> >>>> Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing >>>> doors, >>>> etc? >>>> >>>> Blue Skies, >>>> Steve D >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
    Subject: forming u shaped brackets
    thx to all responses.. I think I'm going to use the EAA method of cutting the bracket in half and welding together for a perfect fit. I cannot seem to get the fit right using the other methods. From: tmbrant@msn.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the second bend to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend a fter the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense). I tried plac ing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but as close as I get=2C I'm not happy with the result. The bend is just too loos e. Any suggestions? Tom B.




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