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1. 12:30 AM - Re: Re: buying a hangar (Clif Dawson)
2. 03:04 AM - Re: forming u shaped brackets (Jack)
3. 04:10 AM - Re: Re: Think Ahead Builders (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 04:13 AM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Michael Perez)
5. 04:23 AM - Re: buying a hangar (Jerry Dotson)
6. 04:28 AM - Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (giacummo)
7. 04:43 AM - forming u shaped brackets (santiago morete)
8. 05:27 AM - Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (AircamperN11MS)
9. 05:42 AM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Michael Perez)
10. 05:48 AM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Michael Perez)
11. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Michael Perez)
12. 06:09 AM - Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (AircamperN11MS)
13. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (C N Campbell)
14. 06:50 AM - Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (giacummo)
15. 06:51 AM - Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (giacummo)
16. 07:30 AM - Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
17. 07:48 AM - Pietenpol quotes in The Great Waldo Pepper... (aerocarjake)
18. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Michael Perez)
19. 07:55 AM - Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (giacummo)
20. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: buying a hangar (John Fay)
21. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: buying a hangar (Jack)
22. 12:14 PM - Re: buying a hangar (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
23. 12:31 PM - Re: buying a hangar (Ken Bickers)
24. 01:05 PM - Re: buying a hangar (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
25. 01:06 PM - Re: buying a hangar (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
26. 02:56 PM - Re: buying a hangar (Gene Rambo)
27. 03:35 PM - Re: buying a hangar (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
28. 03:46 PM - Re: buying a hangar (C N Campbell)
29. 04:46 PM - Re: forming u shaped brackets (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
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| Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Here in the Great White North all land, sea
and ice is federaly mandated as airfield
ready. There have been a number of legal
battles over that from provincial and
municipal governments but they have lost
every time. The only place not allowed is
in a "built up area". That's reasonable.
Also, being a federal responsibility, there's
no compliance with local building codes
required either. Of course a little common
sense does make life somewhat easier for
all concerned.
Clif
A Canadian is someone who knows how to
make love in a canoe. Pierre Burton
I am nearly overcome with a sudden urge to move to Tennessee.
Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
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| Subject: | forming u shaped brackets |
Tom I'm not sure what part you are talking about but for good 90 degree
bends like this http://textors.com/cabane_fittings_015.jpg I use a brake to
get the bend started and then finish forming over a piece of steel bar like
this http://textors.com/IMG_7502_1600x1067.jpg. Using 2 bars with relief for
a good radius helps like this http://textors.com/cabane_fittings_010.jpg
Forr higher radius bends I clamped with a clamp over a round like this
http://textors.com/IMG_7535_1600x1067.jpg
Jack Textor
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE
BRANT
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 8:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets
I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets
which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the second bend
to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend
after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense). I tried
placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but
as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result. The bend is just too
loose. Any suggestions?
Tom B.
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| Subject: | Re: Think Ahead Builders |
Oscar, you are correct......delta. I forget my Greek these days. It has
been a long time since H.S. physics.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:41 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Think Ahead Builders
Hey, Dan- don't you mean the *delta* of the water temp, or is the fish scal
e
thrust directly proportional to the *beta* of the water temp on water-coole
d
engines?
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
Scott, I've never considered just "covering the gap" with fabric...I like i
t!- I assume you have had no issues with it that way. (I don't know why y
ou would.)- I believe I will try the same idea, thanks for the tip!
Michael Perez
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| Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Here in NW Florida we have the building permit thing BUT my land is classified
agricultural. I built my hangar as a "pole barn" with no permits required. To
meet the pole barn requirement it has to have wood or metal "POLES" in the ground.
My hangar was built with the budget in mind, dirt floor and incandescent
lights with aluminum pie pans for reflectors. It is 40 X 50 X 12 clearance to
accommodate my 5th wheel camper. Hindsight is so accurate....if I built another
it would be 50 X 60 X 12. Each to his on thing some of my friends have hangars
that the light fixtures cost more than my hangar did. I wired and did the lights
myself. I installed a 100 amp service so I could weld in there if needed
but I did all that in my shop. My hangar cost $11,500.
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
May be I make the wrong question. I want to figure how do you cover the wing in
this side.
Where do I attach the fabric?.. I have to wrap de rib? (in this case the side keep
open)
How do you do it?
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Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | forming u shaped brackets |
Or...... -http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1858922506=0A=0ASantiago
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| Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
Michael,
No, I have never had an issue with it being covered. I only have the two wing
attach bolts in there and have never needed to get to them until I rebuilt the
plane. It was covered for 29 years like that and now has been covered another
12 years, 41 years total like that. All the hardware was tight when removed.
If someone still wanted to have access to those attach point they could put
small inspection plates at those joints. I have no need for them. It also helps
with the one piece wig look while enjoying the benefits of the three piece
wing.
Ahh, the choices we have to make while we build,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
Well, all that sounds good to me! I will try it as well.- Thanks.
Michael Perez
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| Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
Mario, I skinned the sides of the center section and attaching wing root si
des with plywood.- Without it, you will need to cut, fit and wrap the fab
ric around the cap strip.
Michael Perez
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| Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
Scott, another question: Prior to applying the fabric "trim", did you fly t
he plane first to be sure no wing adjustments were needed?- I would assum
e even if an adjustment was needed, the movement at the joint would be mini
mal...causing some slight wrinkles mostly...
Michael Perez
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| Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
Actually I did fly it first. I'm not sure that it would really make a difference.
When you make trim adjustments, only the wing tips move. The wing roots are
bolted solid and should never move. I left the end 4 inches of the fabric finished
through the Poly-Brush stage. This gave me an area to attach the fabric
to. then finish through paint. It worked out well for me. The hardest part
is covering the whole plane for the painting. I used that thin painters plastic
from the local hardware store. Took about three hours to cover it well.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
Michael, I have never seen plywood covering called for on the 4 ribs at
the ends of the center section and the wing panels on any of the plans.
If it's good enough for Mr. Pietenpol, it's good enough for me. I
figure the vertical pieces in the 4 butt ribs are to take care of the
stress of stretching the fabric accross those ribs. Chuck
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From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing border near the center
section(covering question)
Scott, I've never considered just "covering the gap" with
fabric...I like it! I assume you have had no issues with it that way.
(I don't know why you would.) I believe I will try the same idea,
thanks for the tip!
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
Too much answers out of topic... how do you cover this side?... the yellow marked;
do you take the fabric from top of the wing to bootom around the rib, or you
put a playwood piece like the photo Michael post (but in the wing, not the
center section..)
I am thinking in the stretching process, the fabric stretch a lot in 4 m, around
half a meter, and the forces over the last rib will be very strong; this ribb
have reinforces for this, so it's necesary a plywodd section like the center
section there?
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Mario Giacummo
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| Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
the picture....
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Mario Giacummo
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| Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
On the Tree-Piece Wing Supplement plans it shows the plywood on the
center section and wing panel butt ribs. Top and bottom. Hope this
helps
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Pietenpol quotes in The Great Waldo Pepper... |
It's amazing how many direct quotes about building a Pietenpol Air Camper are in
the Great Waldo Pepper (the patron saint movie of Pietenpol builders...)
For example:
"I thought I was done..."
"That was a mistake..."
"The people are kinda nutty but you get used to it..."
"but how can a guy like you be in debt for $40,000...?"
...and my favorite - the one I plan to paint on the turtle-deck behind my pilot's
seat: "Perhaps we'll have a chance to fly together..."
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
Understood. I'm painting by brush, so adding the fabric trim and paint out
at the hangar as opposed to my home shop-will be somewhat easy.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
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| Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
Thank you Curt, I saw this picture uncounted times, and I never understood what
this butt rib was.. until now.
Best regards.
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Mario Giacummo
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| Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Jerry,
Could you tell us what size your runway is (length and width)?
John Fay
in Peoria
Starting to glue my fuselage together this afternoon.
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| Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Jerry what a beautiful setup, plus a ficus to boot! I hope to visit one day.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Dec 7, 2012, at 6:23 AM, "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net> wrote:
>
> Here in NW Florida we have the building permit thing BUT my land is classified
agricultural. I built my hangar as a "pole barn" with no permits required. To
meet the pole barn requirement it has to have wood or metal "POLES" in the ground.
My hangar was built with the budget in mind, dirt floor and incandescent
lights with aluminum pie pans for reflectors. It is 40 X 50 X 12 clearance to
accommodate my 5th wheel camper. Hindsight is so accurate....if I built another
it would be 50 X 60 X 12. Each to his on thing some of my friends have hangars
that the light fixtures cost more than my hangar did. I wired and did the
lights myself. I installed a 100 amp service so I could weld in there if needed
but I did all that in my shop. My hangar cost $11,500.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
>
> First flight June 16,2012
> Started building July, 2009
> Lycoming O-235 C2C
> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with
when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?) I really
don't remember since moving to San Antonio.
Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold down
here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy when
it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized mat
that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm.
I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable.
I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very
little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but a
Bob wire fence and half of that is down.
Blue Skies,
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
>
> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It
> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long
> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built.
> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too
> many outlets.
>
> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your
> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of
> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more
> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is
> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off
> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the
> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any
> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the
> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a
> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the
> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form.
>
> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet.
> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the
> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn
> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the
> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my
> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more
> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd
> like.
>
> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe < wrote:
> >
> > Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice...
> >
> > Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water
> > from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and
> > making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile
> > the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find
> > a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that,
> > somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice.
> >
> > Gary Boothe
> > NX308MB
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
> > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
> >
> > --> <
> >
> >
> > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
> > hangars that will be constructed this spring.
> > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It
> > will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it.
> > We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
> >
> > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
> >
> > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
> > etc?
> >
> > Blue Skies,
> > Steve D
> >
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| Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Steve,
I know that country well. I was raised outside of Austin. My wife is
from Lubbock. My dad grew up in Slaton. I've even had the experience
of being snowed in while at a horse show in San Antonio, during the
great blizzard of '72 or maybe '73. I believe that was the last time
San Antonio saw snow that measured two inches in depth.
Your hangar issues will probably have to do more with heat, humidity,
and drainage. The heat and humidity are best dealt with by installing
a fridge to keep beer cooled sufficiently to keep your body
temperature at a level where consciousness is possible. As for
drainage, when those hurricanes and tropical storms stall out over
south Texas, they seem to dump unbelievable volumes of water that has
to go somewhere. You may need to build your hangar on stilts. That
will help keep the snakes out, too.
Cheers, Ken
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote:
>
> Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with
when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?) I
really don't remember since moving to San Antonio.
>
> Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold down
here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy when
it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized
mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm.
>
> I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable.
>
> I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very
little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but
a Bob wire fence and half of that is down.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
>>
>> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It
>> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long
>> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built.
>> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too
>> many outlets.
>>
>> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your
>> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of
>> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more
>> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is
>> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off
>> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the
>> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any
>> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the
>> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a
>> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the
>> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form.
>>
>> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet.
>> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the
>> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn
>> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the
>> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my
>> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more
>> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd
>> like.
>>
>> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe < wrote:
>> >
>> > Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice...
>> >
>> > Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water
>> > from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and
>> > making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile
>> > the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find
>> > a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that,
>> > somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice.
>> >
>> > Gary Boothe
>> > NX308MB
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
>> > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM
>> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
>> >
>> > --> <
>> >
>> >
>> > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
>> > hangars that will be constructed this spring.
>> > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar.
It
>> > will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it.
>> > We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
>> >
>> > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
>> >
>> > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
>> > etc?
>> >
>> > Blue Skies,
>> > Steve D
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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At the initial hangar planning meeting everyone voiced a concern about keeping
water out. I was in a rented hangar here before. Good hangar, except when a driving
rainstorm came from the north. It blew water under the door. so you had
a 1/16th inch puddle in the hangar. Then with the high humidity it took forever
to dry out.
An old architect told me to design your building so that there was no way water
could get in. Then make it 6 inches higher!
The floors will slope toward the door and ramp will slope toward the taxiway. We
are on the "high" end of this field. drainage is a big deal.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
>
> Steve,
>
> I know that country well. I was raised outside of Austin. My wife is
> from Lubbock. My dad grew up in Slaton. I've even had the experience
> of being snowed in while at a horse show in San Antonio, during the
> great blizzard of '72 or maybe '73. I believe that was the last time
> San Antonio saw snow that measured two inches in depth.
>
> Your hangar issues will probably have to do more with heat, humidity,
> and drainage. The heat and humidity are best dealt with by installing
> a fridge to keep beer cooled sufficiently to keep your body
> temperature at a level where consciousness is possible. As for
> drainage, when those hurricanes and tropical storms stall out over
> south Texas, they seem to dump unbelievable volumes of water that has
> to go somewhere. You may need to build your hangar on stilts. That
> will help keep the snakes out, too.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> < wrote:
> >
> > Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with
when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?)
I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio.
> >
> > Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold
down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy
when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized
mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm.
> >
> > I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable.
> >
> > I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very
little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but
a Bob wire fence and half of that is down.
> >
> > Blue Skies,
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ken Bickers <
> > Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> >> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It
> >> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long
> >> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built.
> >> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too
> >> many outlets.
> >>
> >> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your
> >> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of
> >> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more
> >> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is
> >> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off
> >> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the
> >> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any
> >> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the
> >> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a
> >> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the
> >> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form.
> >>
> >> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet.
> >> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the
> >> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn
> >> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the
> >> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my
> >> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more
> >> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd
> >> like.
> >>
> >> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken
> >>
> >> > Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice...
> >> >
> >> > Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water
> >> > from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and
> >> > making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile
> >> > the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find
> >> > a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that,
> >> > somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice.
> >> >
> >> > Gary Boothe
> >> > NX308MB
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> >> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
> >> > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> >> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM
> >> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
> >> >
> >> > --> <>> >
> >> >
> >> > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
> >> > hangars that will be constructed this spring.
> >> > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar.
It
> >> > will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it.
> >> > We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
> >> >
> >> > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
> >> >
> >> > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
> >> > etc?
> >> >
> >> > Blue Skies,
> >> > Steve D
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Oh I forgot to tell you. The Texas Panhandle was talking about seceeding from Texas.
But they said Lubbock had to go with the Panhandle and so the whole deal
was off.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
>
> Steve,
>
> I know that country well. I was raised outside of Austin. My wife is
> from Lubbock. My dad grew up in Slaton. I've even had the experience
> of being snowed in while at a horse show in San Antonio, during the
> great blizzard of '72 or maybe '73. I believe that was the last time
> San Antonio saw snow that measured two inches in depth.
>
> Your hangar issues will probably have to do more with heat, humidity,
> and drainage. The heat and humidity are best dealt with by installing
> a fridge to keep beer cooled sufficiently to keep your body
> temperature at a level where consciousness is possible. As for
> drainage, when those hurricanes and tropical storms stall out over
> south Texas, they seem to dump unbelievable volumes of water that has
> to go somewhere. You may need to build your hangar on stilts. That
> will help keep the snakes out, too.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> < wrote:
> >
> > Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with
when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?)
I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio.
> >
> > Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold
down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy
when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized
mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm.
> >
> > I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable.
> >
> > I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very
little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but
a Bob wire fence and half of that is down.
> >
> > Blue Skies,
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ken Bickers <
> > Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> >> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It
> >> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long
> >> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built.
> >> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too
> >> many outlets.
> >>
> >> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your
> >> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of
> >> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more
> >> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is
> >> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off
> >> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the
> >> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any
> >> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the
> >> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a
> >> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the
> >> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form.
> >>
> >> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet.
> >> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the
> >> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn
> >> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the
> >> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my
> >> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more
> >> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd
> >> like.
> >>
> >> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken
> >>
> >> > Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice...
> >> >
> >> > Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water
> >> > from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and
> >> > making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile
> >> > the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find
> >> > a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that,
> >> > somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice.
> >> >
> >> > Gary Boothe
> >> > NX308MB
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> >> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
> >> > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> >> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM
> >> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
> >> >
> >> > --> <>> >
> >> >
> >> > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
> >> > hangars that will be constructed this spring.
> >> > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar.
It
> >> > will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it.
> >> > We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
> >> >
> >> > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
> >> >
> >> > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
> >> > etc?
> >> >
> >> > Blue Skies,
> >> > Steve D
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Nobody but a city slicker from the "panhandle" would call barbed wire "bob wire"!
Gene
On Dec 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
wrote:
>
> Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with
when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?) I
really don't remember since moving to San Antonio.
>
> Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold down
here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy when
it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized
mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm.
>
> I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable.
>
> I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very
little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but
a Bob wire fence and half of that is down.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
>>
>> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It
>> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long
>> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built.
>> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too
>> many outlets.
>>
>> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your
>> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of
>> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more
>> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is
>> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off
>> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the
>> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any
>> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the
>> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a
>> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the
>> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form.
>>
>> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet.
>> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the
>> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn
>> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the
>> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my
>> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more
>> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd
>> like.
>>
>> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe < wrote:
>>>
>>> Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice...
>>>
>>> Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water
>>> from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and
>>> making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile
>>> the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find
>>> a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that,
>>> somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice.
>>>
>>> Gary Boothe
>>> NX308MB
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
>>> Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
>>>
>>> --> <
>>>
>>>
>>> Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
>>> hangars that will be constructed this spring.
>>> It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It
>>> will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it.
>>> We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
>>>
>>> I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
>>>
>>> Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
>>> etc?
>>>
>>> Blue Skies,
>>> Steve D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Actually prounounced BOB WAIR. I was raised in Morse (find that on a map) and near
Middle Well, Texas. Some time was spent in Buna Vista (near Borger.) I only
give Amarillo (pronounced Amarilla) Biggest town I lived in growing up was Dumas
Populatioin 15000.
Blue Skies.
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
>
> Nobody but a city slicker from the "panhandle" would call barbed wire "bob wire"!
>
> Gene
>
> On Dec 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" < wrote:
>
> >
> > Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with
when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?)
I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio.
> >
> > Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold
down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy
when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized
mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm.
> >
> > I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable.
> >
> > I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very
little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but
a Bob wire fence and half of that is down.
> >
> > Blue Skies,
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ken Bickers <
> > Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> >> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It
> >> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long
> >> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built.
> >> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too
> >> many outlets.
> >>
> >> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your
> >> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of
> >> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more
> >> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is
> >> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off
> >> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the
> >> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any
> >> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the
> >> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a
> >> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the
> >> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form.
> >>
> >> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet.
> >> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the
> >> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn
> >> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the
> >> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my
> >> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more
> >> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd
> >> like.
> >>
> >> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken
> >>
> >>> Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice...
> >>>
> >>> Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water
> >>> from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and
> >>> making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile
> >>> the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find
> >>> a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that,
> >>> somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice.
> >>>
> >>> Gary Boothe
> >>> NX308MB
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
> >>> Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM
> >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
> >>>
> >>> --> <>>>
> >>>
> >>> Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
> >>> hangars that will be constructed this spring.
> >>> It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar.
It
> >>> will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it.
> >>> We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
> >>>
> >>> I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
> >>>
> >>> Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
> >>> etc?
> >>>
> >>> Blue Skies,
> >>> Steve D
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Gene, I thought of that but didn't dare say it!!! Chuck
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
>
> Nobody but a city slicker from the "panhandle" would call barbed wire "bob
> wire"!
>
> Gene
>
> On Dec 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote:
>
>> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>>
>> Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do
>> with when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is
>> it 52?) I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio.
>>
>> Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that
>> cold down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here
>> are crazy when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that
>> is a rubberized mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and
>> keeping your feet warm.
>>
>> I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable.
>>
>> I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me
>> very little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North
>> Pole but a Bob wire fence and half of that is down.
>>
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
>> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It
>>> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long
>>> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built.
>>> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too
>>> many outlets.
>>>
>>> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your
>>> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of
>>> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more
>>> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is
>>> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off
>>> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the
>>> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any
>>> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the
>>> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a
>>> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the
>>> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form.
>>>
>>> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet.
>>> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the
>>> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn
>>> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the
>>> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my
>>> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more
>>> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd
>>> like.
>>>
>>> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe < wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice...
>>>>
>>>> Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging
>>>> water
>>>> from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets
>>>> and
>>>> making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress,
>>>> meanwhile
>>>> the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to
>>>> find
>>>> a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping
>>>> that,
>>>> somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice.
>>>>
>>>> Gary Boothe
>>>> NX308MB
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
>>>> Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM
>>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
>>>>
>>>> NGB"
>>>> --> <
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
>>>> hangars that will be constructed this spring.
>>>> It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a
>>>> hangar. It
>>>> will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to
>>>> it.
>>>> We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
>>>>
>>>> I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
>>>>
>>>> Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing
>>>> doors,
>>>> etc?
>>>>
>>>> Blue Skies,
>>>> Steve D
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | forming u shaped brackets |
thx to all responses.. I think I'm going to use the EAA method of cutting
the bracket in half and welding together for a perfect fit. I cannot seem
to get the fit right using the other methods.
From: tmbrant@msn.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets
I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets
which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the second bend
to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend a
fter the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense). I tried plac
ing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but as
close as I get=2C I'm not happy with the result. The bend is just too loos
e. Any suggestions?
Tom B.
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