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1. 07:13 AM - Re: buying a hangar (Greg Bacon)
2. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Greg Bacon)
3. 08:06 AM - Fish Scale list (Greg Bacon)
4. 09:11 AM - Re: forming u shaped brackets (shad bell)
5. 01:01 PM - Re: Fish Scale list (Perry Rhoads)
6. 02:37 PM - Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo (helspersew@aol.com)
7. 02:42 PM - Re: Fish Scale list (helspersew@aol.com)
8. 02:53 PM - Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo (Gene Rambo)
9. 02:57 PM - Re: Jeopardy (Baldeagle)
10. 03:06 PM - Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo (helspersew@aol.com)
11. 03:43 PM - Re: buying a hangar (Jerry Dotson)
12. 05:51 PM - Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo (taildrags)
13. 08:45 PM - Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo (Greg Bacon)
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| Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Steve,
Like Jerry Dotson, I built a pole barn/hangar on a tight budget in 2000. I
regret that I didn't insulate under the metal panels of the roof. Often
times, moisture condenses on the inside of the roof panels, and drips onto
all my junk. Insulating foil bubble wrap would have eliminated this.
Here's a link for this:
http://www.4bubble.com/insulative-foil-bubble-wrap?gclid=CKabnIiIi7QCFStgMgodcVEANw
Whatever you do, don't skimp on insulation.
Lighting: I recommend fluorescent light fixtures with electronic ballasts.
Cheap fixtures are noisy and are slow in cold weather. Energy-wise,
fluorescent is the best bang for the buck. Many industrial plants are
switching from metal halides to T5 fluorescent fixtures.
Heating: The options here are endless. However, for about $500 you can
put the pex tubing in the concrete for radiant floor heating. Even if you
never use it, you're not out much. But, if you leave it out, you can never
add it (obviously). There are numerous ways to heat the water. One of my
buddies used a propane on-demand water heater. My brother-in-law uses an
outdoor wood boiler. It is a clean and very comfortable heat method.
Anyway, there's my free advice!
Greg Bacon
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB <
steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote:
> steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
>
> Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
> hangars that will be constructed this spring.
> It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar.
> It will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to
> it. We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
>
> I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
>
> Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
> etc?
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
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Greg Bacon
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| Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
Hi Mario,
The wing butt rib is strengthened with braces. The 3 piece wing supplement
shows these braces, see photo. The extra bracing is needed for the forces
applied by the stretched fabric. I further strengthened the butt rib by
wrapping the rib with a 2 inch wide strip of 1/16" plywood (T88 epoxy), see
photo. The plywood also provides for more surface area for gluing in the
braces. The plywood and braces made the butt rib rock solid. The credit
for this method goes to John Dilatush, Mountain Piet builder. I'm simply
duplicating his work.
Fabric - I glued the fabric to the plywood and trimmed it flush with a
razor after the glue dried. When it came time for applying the perimeter
tape, I wrapped finish tape around the edge of the plywood to further
secure the fabric. This is a nice method if you want an open butt rib.
You can also close the butt rib with fabric. Watch the Stewart System
videos on youtube to see how this is done. This was demonstrated on a
Piper Colt wing. He cut 3 separate pieces of fabric and pieced them in
around the spar ends. These pieces are heat shrunk along with the rest of
the wing.
These are just a few ideas. There are many other ways to deal with the
butt rib. Hope it helps.
Greg Bacon
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:28 AM, giacummo <mario.giacummo@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
>
> May be I make the wrong question. I want to figure how do you cover the
> wing in this side.
> Where do I attach the fabric?.. I have to wrap de rib? (in this case the
> side keep open)
> How do you do it?
>
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> Mario Giacummo
> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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Greg Bacon
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Who is next in line for the fish scale?
Would like to thrust test sometime in Jan if possible.
11298 Campbell Bridge Drive
Prairie Home, MO 65068
Thank you!
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Greg Bacon
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
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| Subject: | forming u shaped brackets |
Are you talking about the u bracket that wraps over the top of the spar?-
If so, ours is welded as well, and works fine.-
-
Shad
--- On Fri, 12/7/12, TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com> wrote:
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets
thx to all responses..- I think I'm going to use the EAA method of cuttin
g the bracket in half and welding together for a perfect fit.- I cannot s
eem to get the fit right using the other methods.
From: tmbrant@msn.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets
I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets
which hold the center section.- I cannot get enough bend in the second be
nd to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend
after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense).- I tried
placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but
as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result.- The bend is just too
loose.- Any suggestions?
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| Subject: | Re: Fish Scale list |
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| Subject: | Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo |
Greg,
Good to hear that you are almost ready for the Official Pietenpol List Indu
strial Fish Scale. At present, Mr. (mean man) Gene Rambo, of the great stat
e of Virginia, has possession. Last I heard he had a request entered to kee
p it until his "further testing" could be performed. If we could get him to
chime-in here with his current inclination to relinquish, it would be grea
tly appreciated. In the meantime, I have taken due note of your shipping ad
dress.
Mr. Rambo, are you out there?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:07 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list
Who is next in line for the fish scale?
Would like to thrust test sometime in Jan if possible.
11298 Campbell Bridge Drive
Prairie Home, MO 65068
Thank you!
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Greg Bacon
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
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| Subject: | Re: Fish Scale list |
Hi Perry,
Of course you are welcome to use The Fish Scale. Anyone with a Pietenpol is
welcome to use it! The only thing that is required is to give the feedback
results for all of us to digest and record. Please see my previous post to
Greg Bacon.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Perry Rhoads <prhoads61@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list
If you're allowed to use it on an A-65, I'd like to try it.
Perry Rhoads
Carlinville,IL.
N12939
Sent from my Motorola ATRIX=84=A2 4G on AT&T
-----Original message-----
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 16:06:31 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list
Who is next in line for the fish scale?
Would like to thrust test sometime in Jan if possible.
11298 Campbell Bridge Drive
Prairie Home, MO 65068
Thank you!
--
Greg Bacon
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
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| Subject: | Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo |
Yes, I am probably going to do another test on Monday. I have been chasing a
poor idle problem and may have it licked. If I don't, I can relinquish ...
Gene
On Dec 8, 2012, at 5:36 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Greg,
>
> Good to hear that you are almost ready for the Official Pietenpol List Ind
ustrial Fish Scale. At present, Mr. (mean man) Gene Rambo, of the great stat
e of Virginia, has possession. Last I heard he had a request entered to keep
it until his "further testing" could be performed. If we could get him to c
hime-in here with his current inclination to relinquish, it would be greatly
appreciated. In the meantime, I have taken due note of your shipping addres
s.
> Mr. Rambo, are you out there?
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:07 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list
>
> Who is next in line for the fish scale?
>
> Would like to thrust test sometime in Jan if possible.
>
> 11298 Campbell Bridge Drive
> Prairie Home, MO 65068
>
> Thank you!
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
> NX114D(Mountain Piet)
>
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Don Emch wrote:
> The tragedy of "everyone dying" is a little hard to ignore. Because of that
I don't think my wife will ever watch it again. And it is a little hard to explain
to the kids the "someone get me a 2 by 4 scene" and then expect them to
go hop in the Piet and go for a ride. Come to think of it, it is kind of a 'dark'
movie and not very good. But for some reason because of all you Piet guys
I want to watch it over and over!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
It has some dark moments, but overall is positive (Waldo does win in the end),
and realistic for what happened back then. And great flying. Karl and I sometimes
would joke when something went wrong, "I'll get a 2x4..." I see your point
about the kids, and the Mrs.....
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| Subject: | Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo |
OK Gene,
When you are finished, if you could kindly advance it directly on to Greg,
and make a note on this list at that time, that would be good.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 4:54 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo
Yes, I am probably going to do another test on Monday. I have been chasing
a poor idle problem and may have it licked. If I don't, I can relinquish ..
.
Gene
On Dec 8, 2012, at 5:36 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
Greg,
Good to hear that you are almost ready for the Official Pietenpol List Indu
strial Fish Scale. At present, Mr. (mean man) Gene Rambo, of the great stat
e of Virginia, has possession. Last I heard he had a request entered to kee
p it until his "further testing" could be performed. If we could get him to
chime-in here with his current inclination to relinquish, it would be grea
tly appreciated. In the meantime, I have taken due note of your shipping ad
dress.
Mr. Rambo, are you out there?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:07 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list
Who is next in line for the fish scale?
Would like to thrust test sometime in Jan if possible.
11298 Campbell Bridge Drive
Prairie Home, MO 65068
Thank you!
--
Greg Bacon
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
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| Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
>>>John Fay
My runway is 40 X 1300 with power lines across the south end. The width is 40 feet
with lots of room on either side. I use a Bush hog to mow the rest of the
field so it is all pretty much usable. Baron and 310 pilots have tight sphincters!
--------
Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo |
I'm not quite ready to get in queue for the scales, but close. I finished washing
up Scout today, looks MUCH better now, and will start in on a few minor repairs
that are needed. One of those is replacement of the front main seal on
the engine, which has been weeping a fine mist of oil into the prop wash. My
thought is to run the static thrust test with the prop that's on it, then go out
and fly to do some timed climbs and level WOT cruise, then go back to the hangar
and pull the Culver prop, change the seal, and install the Prince prop.
Changing the seal will be just a bit easier with the prop off the hub.
I'll follow that up with a static fish scale thrust test to compare the Prince
to the Culver, go out and fly some time-to-climb and max level cruise, and I'll
be done with the scales.
I'm weeks away from that yet, but will raise my hand when I think I'm ready.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo |
Thanks Dan and Gene. No big rush. Sometime in Jan is fine. I figured
setting a deadline for testing would motivate me to get her ready. Still
need to purchase a battery and clean out the fuel tank.
Cheers!
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 5:05 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> OK Gene,
>
> When you are finished, if you could kindly advance* it* directly on to
> Greg, and make a note on this list at that time, that would be good.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 4:54 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo
>
> Yes, I am probably going to do another test on Monday. I have been
> chasing a poor idle problem and may have it licked. If I don't, I can
> relinquish ...
>
> Gene
>
> On Dec 8, 2012, at 5:36 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
>
> Greg,
>
> Good to hear that you are almost ready for the *Official Pietenpol List
> Industrial Fish Scale*. At present, Mr. (mean man) Gene Rambo, of the
> great state of Virginia, has possession. Last I heard he had a request
> entered to keep it until his "further testing" could be performed. If we
> could get him to chime-in here with his current inclination to relinquish,
> it would be greatly appreciated. In the meantime, I have taken due note of
> your shipping address.
> Mr. Rambo, are you out there?
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:07 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list
>
> Who is next in line for the fish scale?
>
> Would like to thrust test sometime in Jan if possible.
>
> 11298 Campbell Bridge Drive
> Prairie Home, MO 65068
>
> Thank you!
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
> NX114D(Mountain Piet)
>
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