---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/10/12: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:51 AM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Mario Giacummo) 2. 04:00 AM - Re: hand propping (Jerry Dotson) 3. 04:04 AM - Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol (helspersew@aol.com) 4. 04:10 AM - Re: Varnish Question (Jack) 5. 04:33 AM - Re: Re: hand propping (Andre Abreu) 6. 04:50 AM - Re: Re: hand propping (Gene Rambo) 7. 07:41 AM - Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (John Francis) 8. 07:42 AM - Re: hand propping (tools) 9. 08:24 AM - Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol (kevinpurtee) 10. 08:26 AM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Greg Bacon) 11. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Mario Giacummo) 12. 09:34 AM - 2012 List of Contributors (Matt Dralle) 13. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Jack) 14. 10:58 AM - Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (John Francis) 15. 10:58 AM - Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol (Robert Bush) 16. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Jack) 17. 12:50 PM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Gene Rambo) 18. 01:03 PM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Gary Boothe) 19. 01:41 PM - Re: New Group Member Introduction (hdr0614) 20. 02:07 PM - Newbie with Piet questions...... (Charles Burkholder) 21. 02:21 PM - Re: Newbie with Piet questions...... (Gardiner) 22. 02:23 PM - Re: Newbie with Piet questions...... (Charles Burkholder) 23. 02:28 PM - Re: Newbie with Piet questions...... (Scott Knowlton) 24. 02:50 PM - Re: Newbie with Piet questions...... (wayne & cathy) 25. 03:29 PM - Re: Newbie with Piet questions...... (Mario Giacummo) 26. 03:46 PM - Re: Newbie with Piet questions...... (Gary Boothe) 27. 05:56 PM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Jack) 28. 06:16 PM - Re: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (Wayne Bressler) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:55 AM PST US From: Mario Giacummo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) Barbaro, exactly what I want to see... thank you Mario Giacummo . -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- / ...- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - . 2012/12/8 Greg Bacon > Hi Mario, > > The wing butt rib is strengthened with braces. The 3 piece wing > supplement shows these braces, see photo. The extra bracing is needed for > the forces applied by the stretched fabric. I further strengthened the > butt rib by wrapping the rib with a 2 inch wide strip of 1/16" plywood (T88 > epoxy), see photo. The plywood also provides for more surface area for > gluing in the braces. The plywood and braces made the butt rib rock solid. > The credit for this method goes to John Dilatush, Mountain Piet builder. > I'm simply duplicating his work. > > Fabric - I glued the fabric to the plywood and trimmed it flush with a > razor after the glue dried. When it came time for applying the perimeter > tape, I wrapped finish tape around the edge of the plywood to further > secure the fabric. This is a nice method if you want an open butt rib. > You can also close the butt rib with fabric. Watch the Stewart System > videos on youtube to see how this is done. This was demonstrated on a > Piper Colt wing. He cut 3 separate pieces of fabric and pieced them in > around the spar ends. These pieces are heat shrunk along with the rest of > the wing. > > These are just a few ideas. There are many other ways to deal with the > butt rib. Hope it helps. > > Greg Bacon > NX114D(Mountain Piet) > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:28 AM, giacummo wrote: > >> mario.giacummo@gmail.com> >> >> May be I make the wrong question. I want to figure how do you cover the >> wing in this side. >> Where do I attach the fabric?.. I have to wrap de rib? (in this case the >> side keep open) >> How do you do it? >> >> -------- >> Mario Giacummo >> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390003#390003 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> le, List Admin. >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Greg Bacon > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping From: "Jerry Dotson" Oscar, My O-235 will not start at all when the temp is below 60 without prime. My carb is an MA-3A with no accelerator pump. I used to have a Luscombe (A65)that didn't have a primer and wouldn't start when it was cold. I kept a can of ether (starting fluid) handy...........worked like magic.. I just sprayed the bug screen ....I mean air filter. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390142#390142 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Gardiner, No I don't have Don's email, but I am almost sure the barnwellairport@bell south.net address is P.F.'s Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gardiner Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 4:51 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol On 12/9/2012 4:46 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: NICE! Congratulations to Don. Can't wait to hear the head-to-hea d results with P.F.'s machine. Dan , do you have Don Harper's email address? Thanks, Gardiner. Also PF,s Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Barnwell Regional Airport To: pietenpol-list Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 3:36 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol Pietenpolers, Yesterday, Don Harpers new Pietenpol went for it's first fli ght. After two circuits of the airport, several of the engine ins truments were not reading correctly, the plane was landed an d the problems will be corrected before the next flight. More information to follow as flight testing continues. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:19 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Varnish Question Thanks to all for all the comments! It looks like there are many variables that can cause blushing (I learned a new word). I'm using a HVLP sprayer and thinned with naphtha. It did take awhile for the blushing to appear which made it extra frustrating. About the time I finished it started to show. Winter arrived, it's 16 degrees so I may have to delay spraying in the garage, or find a better way to heat it up. Thanks again! Jack Textor -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 11:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnish Question I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good success. The last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface. The only difference from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a new can of varnish. Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:11 AM PST US From: Andre Abreu Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping Maybe you have something wrong with the mags. We had problems starting the engine earlier this year.- Trouble started w hen we put on a new harness from Fresno. We have Eisemann mags. When everyone got out of my hair, I pulled all the wires and turned the pro p through and watched the leads sparking against the engine case.- They a ll sparked, but it turns out we somehow managed to swap the wires for numbe r 2 & 4 cylinders. I think the firing order should be 1 3 2 4.- Short sto ry, we fixed the wires and it started and ran fine. Long story,. We still had problems with the mags.- This time with the P-l eads.- You'll be pulling the prop through and suddenly the engines starts .- Or you turn the mags off and Piety isn't ready to stop for the day.- We seem to have fixed the faulty P lead connection, but I am much more lee ry around the prop than I used to be.- Ack! Andy Abreu N6186L --- On Mon, 12/10/12, Ryan Mueller wrote: From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping But did you visually check for spark? If you did not, you did not eliminate spark. Disconnect all plug wires, remove a plug, connect its plug wire, and lay it on a head. With switch on, swing the prop and look for spark....- =0A On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 10:11 PM, taildrags wrote: com> =0A =0AFirst, let's eliminate spark. -Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when starting attempts were made. -I had to keep going back and forth fro m the nose to the cockpit as I would try different things, and anytime the prop required repositioning, I would kill the mags. -The mags are new Sli cks with new harnesses, impulse couplings on both, and as I said, the plugs looked just the right color. -I did not gap them though. =0A=0A=0A =0ANow let's talk fuel. -Of course I drained samples from the gascolator several times after washing the airplane since the "bent rod and cork" fuel level system requires that there be an open hole in the fuel cap, and anot her right next to it for a vent. -I drained a very, very small amount of water from the gascolator on the first check and none thereafter. -I also drained a bit of fuel into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was flowing well and should be clean. -Fuel valve was on when starting at tempts were made. =0A=0A=0A =0ALast item is air. -I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter to c heck for obstructions, but I should do that since it's about due for a good cleaning and re-oiling after the dusty time it just had in Texas. -I'll have to admit that the mixture may have been running rich if the filter is obstructed. =0A=0A=0A =0AI'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the machine ba ck to Texas. -It always started easily down there ;o) =0A =0A-------- =0AOscar Zuniga =0AMedford, OR =0AAir Camper NX41CC "Scout" =0AA75 power =0A =0A =0A =0A =0ARead this topic online here: =0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390130#390130 =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A========== =0A="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com =0Aooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com =0Aet="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com =0A="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0Ale, List Admin. =0A========== =0Ast" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =0A========== =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com =0A========== =0A =0A =0A =0A ====================0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping From: Gene Rambo If you have done all of those things, it is usually lack of prime. I say get a can of starter fluid and hose it down, pull through a few times, and make it hot. If it doesn't even fire then, you have a mag problem (which I doubt) Gene On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:11 PM, "taildrags" wrote: > > First, let's eliminate spark. Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when starting attempts were made. I had to keep going back and forth from the nose to the cockpit as I would try different things, and anytime the prop required repositioning, I would kill the mags. The mags are new Slicks with new harnesses, impulse couplings on both, and as I said, the plugs looked just the right color. I did not gap them though. > > Now let's talk fuel. Of course I drained samples from the gascolator several times after washing the airplane since the "bent rod and cork" fuel level system requires that there be an open hole in the fuel cap, and another right next to it for a vent. I drained a very, very small amount of water from the gascolator on the first check and none thereafter. I also drained a bit of fuel into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was flowing well and should be clean. Fuel valve was on when starting attempts were made. > > Last item is air. I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter to check for obstructions, but I should do that since it's about due for a good cleaning and re-oiling after the dusty time it just had in Texas. I'll have to admit that the mixture may have been running rich if the filter is obstructed. > > I'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the machine back to Texas. It always started easily down there ;o) > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390130#390130 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) From: "John Francis" What is the purpose of the 1/16 by 2 plywood rib braces? Once glued to the ribs it seems to me like they're just hangin out there. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390161#390161 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_ply_brace_112_199.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping From: "tools" Did fuel ever drip from the carb? With all of that work, I would imagine it would be likely to get a few drops which would at least eliminate fuel starvation as a cause. Your float valve could be stuck closed, and you'd have no fuel despite all these efforts. Next, it would seem the only thing you haven't checked into would be the mag switch and p-lead wiring. Switches do have a life consisting of a certain number of operations, after which, they quit working. Doesn't seem likely, but worth confirming. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390162#390162 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol From: "kevinpurtee" Hi PF - Please pass on Shelley & my congratulations to Don. Thanks -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390163#390163 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) From: Greg Bacon John, This is just my speculation as this is John Dilatush's design modification. The 2 inch strip provides for extra surface area for attaching the fabric and for gluing the rib braces in place. I think this would also serve as support for the wing root gap covers. On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:40 AM, John Francis wrote: > > What is the purpose of the 1/16 by 2 plywood rib braces? Once glued to > the ribs it seems to me like they're just hangin out there. > > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390161#390161 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_ply_brace_112_199.jpg > > -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO NX114D(Mountain Piet) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:01 AM PST US From: Mario Giacummo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) I think glue the cover over it, in a big surface, and help the ribb from the tension do it when you shrink the clothe Mario Giacummo . -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- / ...- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - . 2012/12/10 John Francis > > What is the purpose of the 1/16 by 2 plywood rib braces? Once glued to > the ribs it seems to me like they're just hangin out there. > > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390161#390161 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_ply_brace_112_199.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:52 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: 2012 List of Contributors Dear Listers, The 2012 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended about a week ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors. It is the people on this list that directly make the Email Lists and Forums possible! Their generous Contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and running! You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same time. 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Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) From: Jack John it is necessary for sure. It keeps the root rib from flexing outward towards the tip when shrinking your fabric. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Dec 10, 2012, at 9:40 AM, "John Francis" wrote: > > What is the purpose of the 1/16 by 2 plywood rib braces? Once glued to the ribs it seems to me like they're just hangin out there. > > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390161#390161 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_ply_brace_112_199.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) From: "John Francis" Is it just the stiffness of the plywood glued to the cap strip that prevents it from bending? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390245#390245 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol From: Robert Bush Hi PF, Tell Don congrats for me. Y'all are gonna have to fly to Brodhead and stop b y tn and I'll fly with you! Randy Bush Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2012, at 3:35 PM, "Barnwell Regional Airport" wrote: > Pietenpolers, > > Yesterday, Don Harpers new Pietenpol went for it's first flight. > > After two circuits of the airport, several of the engine instruments were n ot reading correctly, the plane was landed and the problems will be correcte d before the next flight. > > More information to follow as flight testing continues. > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) From: Jack Yes, 2 inches at 90 degrees is very rigid. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:57 PM, "John Francis" wrote: > > Is it just the stiffness of the plywood glued to the cap strip that prevents it from bending? > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390245#390245 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) From: Gene Rambo Don't think I would have admitted to 2", but if it works.... Gene On Dec 10, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Jack wrote: > > Yes, 2 inches at 90 degrees is very rigid. > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:57 PM, "John Francis" wrote: > >> >> Is it just the stiffness of the plywood glued to the cap strip that prevents it from bending? >> >> -------- >> John Francis >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390245#390245 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) From: Gary Boothe Why not? Worked good for me. Gary Sent from my iPhone On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > > Don't think I would have admitted to 2", but if it works.... > > Gene > > On Dec 10, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Jack wrote: > >> >> Yes, 2 inches at 90 degrees is very rigid. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> Jack Textor >> >> On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:57 PM, "John Francis" wrote: >> >>> >>> Is it just the stiffness of the plywood glued to the cap strip that prevents it from bending? >>> >>> -------- >>> John Francis >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390245#390245 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Group Member Introduction From: "hdr0614" Guys: I cannot thank you enough, for all the comments; Boyce, where have you been hiding? Get that darn MII done, before you know it, it will fly faster than you can think! I will begin the project in earnest sometime after the holidays; seems, Nancy has a few 'honey-do this first', that need to be done. If my guess is right this group will prove to be just like the Mustang II builders group, I had belonged to during my build and flight; a true asset to any project! Again, thanks, and Merry Christmas to all. HD Rose -------- HD Rose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390259#390259 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie with Piet questions...... From: "Charles Burkholder" Hi all I am a newbie to the Pietenpole. I am a 19 yr old private pilot who just got my license in a J3 Cub. I've been wanting to build a plane for years, having helped build ones in the past and the Pietenpole with a Corvair fits the bill. Especially that I found one for sale. Wings, fuse and tail for $300. The builder got alzheimers and his son is taking care of him and wants to get rid of some of his plane projects. What all should I look for when I go to look at it? Any spot in particular? From what he told me he is a very expericenced plane builder but what should I look for as far as work quality? Thanks in advance everyone...... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390261#390261 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:38 PM PST US From: Gardiner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie with Piet questions...... On 12/10/2012 5:06 PM, Charles, where do you live? Maybe there is a builder close by that can take a look. Ask Douwe Blumberg about the experience. Cheers, Gardiner Mason. Piet builder in georgia. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:36 PM PST US From: "Charles Burkholder" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie with Piet questions...... I'm from Bancroft Ontario. About 3 hr north of Toronto. The plane is in Waterloo Ontario. Any builders closeby? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gardiner" Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie with Piet questions...... > > On 12/10/2012 5:06 PM, > Charles, where do > > you live? Maybe there is a builder close by that can take a look. Ask > Douwe Blumberg about the experience. Cheers, Gardiner Mason. Piet builder > in georgia. > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:39 PM PST US From: "Scott Knowlton " Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie with Piet questions...... Charles, I'm in Burlington Ontario and Bill Church is in North Toronto. Contact me off list and we can maybe arrange a visit. Scott Knowlton. -----Original Message----- From: Charles Burkholder Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie with Piet questions...... I'm from Bancroft Ontario. About 3 hr north of Toronto. The plane is in Waterloo Ontario. Any builders closeby? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gardiner" Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie with Piet questions...... > > On 12/10/2012 5:06 PM, > Charles, where do > > you live? Maybe there is a builder close by that can take a look. Ask > Douwe Blumberg about the experience. Cheers, Gardiner Mason. Piet builder > in georgia. > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:35 PM PST US From: wayne & cathy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie with Piet questions...... charles same goes for me , I live in waterloo and would be glad to have a look and help out in any way I can. wayne ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:05 PM PST US From: Mario Giacummo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie with Piet questions...... all the wood structure for 300 dollars?!?!?!?.. for this price.. buy it, get a set of plans and follow them, then look, this is ok, this not... rebuild here, rebuild there.. I do not know, I was joking, but shure there will be someone near you thhat can help you. good look Mario Giacummo . -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- / ...- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - . 2012/12/10 Charles Burkholder > born2fly@abcmailbox.net> > > Hi all I am a newbie to the Pietenpole. I am a 19 yr old private pilot who > just got my license in a J3 Cub. I've been wanting to build a plane for > years, having helped build ones in the past and the Pietenpole with a > Corvair fits the bill. Especially that I found one for sale. Wings, fuse > and tail for $300. The builder got alzheimers and his son is taking care of > him and wants to get rid of some of his plane projects. What all should I > look for when I go to look at it? Any spot in particular? From what he told > me he is a very expericenced plane builder but what should I look for as > far as work quality? Thanks in advance everyone...... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390261#390261 > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie with Piet questions...... From: Gary Boothe Charles, Congratulations on accomplishing such a milestone at a young age! I was just about your age when I saw my first Pietenpol and vowed to someday build tha t...that was 40 years ago, and have just accomplished that dream... I tend to agree with Mario, as I doubt there is not too much you couldn't fi x at that price! It would also be very instructive for you to bring another e xperienced builder with you...besides the obvious advantage of getting some f ree help loading it. Keep in mind that this is a multi-year commitment, even for the most committ ed, even obsessive, builder. Please stay in touch with us and let us know ho w it turns out. That project will have a special story, all its own. Gary Boothe NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Dec 10, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Mario Giacummo wrote : > all the wood structure for 300 dollars?!?!?!?.. for this price.. buy it, g et a set of plans and follow them, then look, this is ok, this not... rebuil d here, rebuild there.. I do not know, I was joking, but shure there will be someone near you thhat can help you. > > good look > > Mario Giacummo > . -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- / .. .- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - . > > > > 2012/12/10 Charles Burkholder ailbox.net> >> >> Hi all I am a newbie to the Pietenpole. I am a 19 yr old private pilot wh o just got my license in a J3 Cub. I've been wanting to build a plane for ye ars, having helped build ones in the past and the Pietenpole with a Corvair f its the bill. Especially that I found one for sale. Wings, fuse and tail for $300. The builder got alzheimers and his son is taking care of him and want s to get rid of some of his plane projects. What all should I look for when I go to look at it? Any spot in particular? =46rom what he told me he is a ve ry expericenced plane builder but what should I look for as far as work qua lity? Thanks in advance everyone...... >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390261#390261 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> le, List Admin. >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) From: Jack 90 degrees is good! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Dec 10, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Why not? Worked good for me. > > Gary > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > >> >> Don't think I would have admitted to 2", but if it works.... >> >> Gene >> >> On Dec 10, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Jack wrote: >> >>> >>> Yes, 2 inches at 90 degrees is very rigid. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> Jack Textor >>> >>> On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:57 PM, "John Francis" wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Is it just the stiffness of the plywood glued to the cap strip that prevents it from bending? >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> John Francis >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390245#390245 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) From: Wayne Bressler That's not what she said! <<>> Wayne Bressler Taildraggers, Inc. www.taildraggersinc.com Do not archive On Dec 10, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Why not? Worked good for me. > > Gary > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > >> >> Don't think I would have admitted to 2", but if it works.... >> >> Gene >> >> On Dec 10, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Jack wrote: >> >>> >>> Yes, 2 inches at 90 degrees is very rigid. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> Jack Textor >>> >>> On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:57 PM, "John Francis" wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Is it just the stiffness of the plywood glued to the cap strip that prevents it from bending? >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> John Francis >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390245#390245 >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.