---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/12/12: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:34 AM - Re: Stromberg mixture (tkreiner) 2. 06:03 AM - brake disk thickness (nightmare) 3. 06:14 AM - Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol (Gardiner Mason) 4. 06:38 AM - brake disk thickness (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 5. 07:08 AM - Re: brake disk thickness (nightmare) 6. 07:45 AM - Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol (Greg Bacon) 7. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: brake disk thickness (Jack Phillips) 8. 08:21 AM - Re: brake disk thickness (nightmare) 9. 08:37 AM - Re: brake disk thickness (Jack) 10. 09:19 AM - stopping authority (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 11. 09:52 AM - Re: stopping authority (helspersew@aol.com) 12. 10:31 AM - Re: stopping authority (Jack) 13. 12:17 PM - totally off topic (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 14. 01:28 PM - Re: totally off topic (tools) 15. 02:38 PM - Re: stopping authority (Gmail) 16. 03:33 PM - Re: stopping authority (Andre Abreu) 17. 09:56 PM - Re: totally off topic (aerocarjake) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stromberg mixture From: "tkreiner" If you will google the following terms, you will find a wealth of information on the Stromberg Carb: Neal Wright Stromberg float level Neal Wright Stromberg mixture The articles have excellent sketches, and detail that has been lost or forgotten as the guys who earned that knowledge some 60 (or more) years ago are no longer with us. These articles are a MUST if you have a Stromberg -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390321#390321 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: brake disk thickness From: "nightmare" hey guys; how thin is too thin? i want light, but not disc warpage. is a 1/8 disc too thin? Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390322#390322 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol From: Gardiner Mason Good. GoingDon.I knowHow you feel. How did. That wing perform? gardiner On Monday, December 10, 2012, Robert Bush wrote: > Hi PF, > Tell Don congrats for me. Y'all are gonna have to fly to Brodhead and stop > by tn and I'll fly with you! > Randy Bush > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 9, 2012, at 3:35 PM, "Barnwell Regional Airport" < > barnwellairport@bellsouth.net 'barnwellairport@bellsouth.net');>> wrote: > > Pietenpolers, > > Yesterday, Don Harpers new Pietenpol went for it's first flight. > > After two circuits of the airport, several of the engine instruments were > not reading correctly, the plane was landed and the problems will be > corrected before the next flight. > > More information to follow as flight testing continues. > > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:51 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: brake disk thickness Paul-- my stainless discs are 1/8" thick and work fine. I personally woul dn't have gone any thinner in the effort of saving weight. You can build a stock Pietenpol with goodies like brake s without it being too heavy. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: brake disk thickness From: "nightmare" awesome, exactly the answer i was hoping for. Thanks: Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390326#390326 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol From: Greg Bacon Congrats Don!! I was wondering the same thing about your wing. I'm guessing it's too soon to really tell. Please update us when you know more. On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Gardiner Mason wrote: > Good. GoingDon.I knowHow you feel. How did. That wing perform? gardiner > On Monday, December 10, 2012, Robert Bush wrote: > >> Hi PF, >> Tell Don congrats for me. Y'all are gonna have to fly to Brodhead and >> stop by tn and I'll fly with you! >> Randy Bush >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 9, 2012, at 3:35 PM, "Barnwell Regional Airport" < >> barnwellairport@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> Pietenpolers, >> >> Yesterday, Don Harpers new Pietenpol went for it's first flight. >> >> After two circuits of the airport, several of the engine instruments were >> not reading correctly, the plane was landed and the problems will be >> corrected before the next flight. >> >> More information to follow as flight testing continues. >> >> >> >> * >> >> 3D============================================ >> 3D============================================ >> 3D============================================ >> 3D============================================ >> * >> >> * > > > * > > -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO NX114D(Mountain Piet) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:26 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: brake disk thickness As a reference point, mine are standard Cleveland discs (made for stopping a much heavier airplane) and they are 0.210" thick. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:08 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: brake disk thickness awesome, exactly the answer i was hoping for. Thanks: Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390326#390326 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: brake disk thickness From: "nightmare" very good to know; thanks Jack -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390335#390335 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: brake disk thickness From: Jack Mike do find your manual brakes provide enough stopping force. I was planning on Hydrolic. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Dec 12, 2012, at 8:38 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" wrote: > Paul-- my stainless discs are 1/8" thick and work fine. I personally wouldn't have gone any thinner in the effort > of saving weight. You can build a stock Pietenpol with goodies like brakes without it being too heavy. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:52 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: stopping authority Jack--Yes. The Comet racing go-kart brakes I'm using do provide enough aut hority to help in ground taxiing, turning, but mostly are used for runup and th ey only hold me to about 1400 rpm. I never use the brakes on takeoff or landing as they aren't nece ssary unless you get yourself into a dire straits approximating an impending ground loop. Your hydraulics should provide a little more umph I would imagin e. Mike C. PS- the photo shows the 4130-fabricated brake pedals I made up. Heel brakes very similar to what you would find in an Aeronca or Cub. Spring return action, easy to operate. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: stopping authority From: helspersew@aol.com Still remember getting horrendous foot cramps activating those dastardly he el brakes in the Aeronca 7AC. OUWWWWWW! Hope the geometry in the Piet is be tter! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:21 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: stopping authority Jack--Yes. The Comet racing go-kart brakes I'm using do provide enough authority to help in ground taxiing, turning, but mostly are used for runup and th ey only hold me to about 1400 rpm. I never use the brakes on takeoff or landing as they aren't nece ssary unless you get yourself into a dire straits approximating an impending ground loop. Your hydraulics should provide a little more umph I would imagin e. Mike C. PS- the photo shows the 4130-fabricated brake pedals I made up. Heel brakes very similar to what you would find in an Aeronca or Cub. Spring return action, easy to operate. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: stopping authority From: Jack I'm planning toe brakes as per Bill Rewey Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:51 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > Still remember getting horrendous foot cramps activating those dastardly h eel brakes in the Aeronca 7AC. OUWWWWWW! Hope the geometry in the Piet is be tter! > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > -----Original Message----- > From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage > Partners, LLC] > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:21 am > Subject: Pietenpol-List: stopping authority > > Jack--Yes. The Comet racing go-kart brakes I'm using do provide enough > authority to help > in ground taxiing, turning, but mostly are used for runup and t hey > only hold me to about 1400 rpm. > I never use the brakes on takeoff or landing as they aren't nec essary > unless you get yourself into > a dire straits approximating an impending ground loop. > > Your hydraulics should provide a little more umph I would imagi ne. > > Mike C. > > PS- the photo shows the 4130-fabricated brake pedals I made up. Heel brake s very > similar to what you > would find in an Aeronca or Cub. Spring return action, easy to operate. > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:32 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: totally off topic How about flying your ultralight inside the Seattle Kingdome? Sure doesn' t look like he cleared the seats with his right wingtip by very much on a few occasions! Mike C. do not archive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRqteDXb3Yk&NR=1&feature=endscreen ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: totally off topic From: "tools" I've flown in some restricted areas where it seemed we had to turn all the time to stay inside them, but dang, that takes the cake! Something about taking off and landing IN A TURN... because you have to... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390363#390363 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: stopping authority From: Gmail Had a Corben Jr. Ace with heel brakes. They were way more fatiguing than toe brakes. Greg Bacon On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Jack wrote: > I'm planning toe brakes as per Bill Rewey > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:51 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > >> Still remember getting horrendous foot cramps activating those dastardly h eel brakes in the Aeronca 7AC. OUWWWWWW! Hope the geometry in the Piet is be tter! >> >> Dan Helsper >> Puryear, TN >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantag e >> Partners, LLC] >> To: pietenpol-list >> Sent: Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:21 am >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: stopping authority >> >> Jack--Yes. The Comet racing go-kart brakes I'm using do provide enough >> authority to help >> in ground taxiing, turning, but mostly are used for runup and t hey >> only hold me to about 1400 rpm. >> I never use the brakes on takeoff or landing as they aren't ne cessary >> unless you get yourself into >> a dire straits approximating an impending ground loop. >> >> Your hydraulics should provide a little more umph I would imag ine. >> >> Mike C. >> >> PS- the photo shows the 4130-fabricated brake pedals I made up. Heel brak es very >> similar to what you >> would find in an Aeronca or Cub. Spring return action, easy to operate. >> >> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:29 PM PST US From: Andre Abreu Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: stopping authority We are working on an airplane design that will have a Johnson bar.- Like in a tripacer but more like a chipmunk BTW: thanks guys for answer on the stromberg mixture Andy --- On Wed, 12/12/12, Gmail wrote: From: Gmail Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: stopping authority Had a Corben Jr. Ace with heel brakes. They were way more fatiguing than to e brakes. - Greg Bacon On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Jack wrote: I'm planning toe brakes as per Bill Rewey Sent from my iPadJack Textor On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:51 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: =0AStill remember getting horrendous foot cramps activating those dastardly heel brakes in the Aeronca 7AC. OUWWWWWW! Hope the geometry in the Piet is better!=0A=0A-=0A=0ADan Helsper=0A=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----O riginal Message----- =0AFrom: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vanta ge=0A =0A Partners, LLC] =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:21 am =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: stopping authority =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AJack--Yes. The Comet racing go-kart brakes I 'm using do provide enough =0Aauthority to help=0A in ground taxi ing, turning, but mostly are used for runup and they =0Aonly hold me to abo ut 1400 rpm. =0A I never use the brakes on takeoff or landing as they aren't necessary =0Aunless you get yourself into=0A a dire s traits approximating an impending ground loop. =0A=0A Your hydra ulics should provide a little more umph I would imagine. =0A=0AMike C.=0A =0APS- the photo shows the 4130-fabricated brake pedals I made up. Heel bra kes very =0Asimilar to what you=0Awould find in an Aeronca or Cub. Spring return action, easy to operate. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: totally off topic From: "aerocarjake" Sweet.... This was several years before I moved out to this area from Wisconsin and this is the first I had heard if it..... Reminds me of the indoor flying of Hanna Reich (spelling?) in Germany around WWII...... Thanks...... 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