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1. 06:04 AM - Re: Grega parts (John Franklin)
2. 06:48 AM - Re: Off topic.. (Jerry Dotson)
3. 08:05 AM - Re: The proper use of an airplane for child discipline (tools)
4. 11:01 AM - Motor Mount Questions (Jack T. Textor)
5. 11:52 AM - Re: Motor Mount Questions (Jack Phillips)
6. 12:09 PM - Re: Motor Mount Questions (Chris)
7. 12:26 PM - Re: Motor Mount Questions (Jack Phillips)
8. 12:52 PM - Canadian Hospitality (DaveG601XL)
9. 01:09 PM - Re: Motor Mount Questions (Jack)
10. 04:43 PM - Re: Motor Mount Questions (Bill Church)
11. 04:59 PM - Re: Motor Mount Questions/Motor Mount Jig available (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
12. 05:19 PM - Re: Motor Mount Questions/Motor Mount Jig available (Don Emch)
13. 05:42 PM - Re: Motor Mount Questions/Motor Mount Jig available (FandS_Piet)
14. 05:46 PM - Soaking cap strips in water. Need help! (Pietflyer1977)
15. 05:52 PM - 21" Tires (Pietflyer1977)
16. 06:06 PM - Re: Motor Mount Questions/Motor Mount Jig available (Fred Kim)
17. 06:11 PM - Re: Soaking cap strips in water. Need help! (Jack)
18. 06:24 PM - Re: Soaking cap strips in water. Need help! (Kip and Beth Gardner)
19. 06:32 PM - Re: Soaking cap strips in water. Need help! (Dave Millikan)
20. 06:40 PM - Re: Motor Mount Questions/Motor Mount Jig available (Don Emch)
21. 09:22 PM - Re: Soaking cap strips in water. Need help! (K5YAC)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Burkholder
Sent: Dec 15, 2012 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Grega parts
"Would GN1 landing gear fit on a 'real' Pietenpol aircamper?"
Charles,
You would at a minimum have to redesign the attaching brackets. On a Grega, the
rear spars don't line up with the rear landing gear bracket but they do on a
"real" Pietenpol. Grega did this to be able to use Piper Cub landing gears,
which were plentiful when he did his modifications.
Regards,
John F.
4TA0 Prairie Aire
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What Dan said. Get flying.
I hope to fly today but not yet:
Calm vis0.25 Fog VV002 63 perfect temp to fly(sigh)
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: The proper use of an airplane for child discipline |
Wouldn't it be more fun for you in your Piet rather than your DC-9?
Nicely done, by the way, I was totally buying it. Thought it was weird, but still
buying it.
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| Subject: | Motor Mount Questions |
In pic it calls for 5/8x.049 and ream for 7/16. It looks like it would take
a 5/8x.095 to be tight enough for a 7/16 bolt. Or is the drawing calling f
or 2 tubes, one inside the other? Plenty of trouble reading the mount drawi
ng...
Thanks,
Jack
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| Subject: | Motor Mount Questions |
Jack,
The drawing is calling for two tubes, telescoping one inside the other.
Note the cross-hatching in the cross-section. It is a drawing convention
that when the direction of cross-hatching (the little angled lines) changes,
it implies that there is a separate part shown.
Slip a piece of 1/2" tube (either .035" wall or .049" wall) inside the 5/8"
tube and after welding, ream to fit a 7/16" (0.4375") bolt.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack T.
Textor
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 2:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motor Mount Questions
In pic it calls for 5/8x.049 and ream for 7/16. It looks like it would take
a 5/8x.095 to be tight enough for a 7/16 bolt. Or is the drawing calling for
2 tubes, one inside the other? Plenty of trouble reading the mount
drawing...
Thanks,
Jack
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| Subject: | Motor Mount Questions |
Jack
Do you weld in the 1/2 tube or is this a slip fit so it can be replaced due
to wear?? Why is this not mentioned on the plans? Why would you build it
this way? Is there some reason not use one piece of thicker tubing? Why
didn't Jack T. tell me this before I just ordered the tubing for the engine
mount. Now I am depressed and I will have to go watch more TV.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Motor Mount Questions
--> <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Jack,
The drawing is calling for two tubes, telescoping one inside the other.
Note the cross-hatching in the cross-section. It is a drawing convention
that when the direction of cross-hatching (the little angled lines) changes,
it implies that there is a separate part shown.
Slip a piece of 1/2" tube (either .035" wall or .049" wall) inside the 5/8"
tube and after welding, ream to fit a 7/16" (0.4375") bolt.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack T.
Textor
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 2:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motor Mount Questions
In pic it calls for 5/8x.049 and ream for 7/16. It looks like it would take
a 5/8x.095 to be tight enough for a 7/16 bolt. Or is the drawing calling for
2 tubes, one inside the other? Plenty of trouble reading the mount
drawing...
Thanks,
Jack
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| Subject: | Motor Mount Questions |
Chris,
I really don't think it matters if the inner tube is welded to the outer
tube or not - it is just a "filler", but I would probably weld them together
- no reason not to.
To be honest, I didn't build mine that way. I bought some 1.75" dia 4130
rod stock and had a machine shop turn down the fittings and ream the bore to
.4375", then I welded them into the mount. I just found that easier and
stronger, since there is no gap between the inner and outer tubes (there
being but one thick tube), and since the flat washer takes considerable load
I wanted it to be stronger than just a hardware store washer. Here's a
picture showing mine in the jig for welding:
And a picture of the finished product on the airplane:
Hope that helps.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 3:09 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Motor Mount Questions
Jack
Do you weld in the 1/2 tube or is this a slip fit so it can be replaced due
to wear?? Why is this not mentioned on the plans? Why would you build it
this way? Is there some reason not use one piece of thicker tubing? Why
didn't Jack T. tell me this before I just ordered the tubing for the engine
mount. Now I am depressed and I will have to go watch more TV.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Motor Mount Questions
--> <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Jack,
The drawing is calling for two tubes, telescoping one inside the other.
Note the cross-hatching in the cross-section. It is a drawing convention
that when the direction of cross-hatching (the little angled lines) changes,
it implies that there is a separate part shown.
Slip a piece of 1/2" tube (either .035" wall or .049" wall) inside the 5/8"
tube and after welding, ream to fit a 7/16" (0.4375") bolt.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack T.
Textor
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 2:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motor Mount Questions
In pic it calls for 5/8x.049 and ream for 7/16. It looks like it would take
a 5/8x.095 to be tight enough for a 7/16 bolt. Or is the drawing calling for
2 tubes, one inside the other? Plenty of trouble reading the mount
drawing...
Thanks,
Jack
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| Subject: | Canadian Hospitality |
I am in Winnipeg for work and with some time off today I ventured out to visit
Lyncrest Airport, east of the city. They have two grass strips that are pretty
well snow covered this time of year. I saw a few vehicles in front of a hanger
so on a whim, I barged on in and introduced myself as a pilot and builder.
As it happens, one of the guys there was Adrian with a Pietenpol who posts here
occasionally as Pineymb. They were gracious enough to let me hang out with
them for a while and shoot the breeze. Adrian has a nice Pietenpol, currently
on skis. He has a 2-piece wing which is the first one I have ever seen. The
weather was low overcast skies so no one was up flying. I hope to stop back
some day when the weather is better.
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David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 220+ hours now
Next project under construction: Finish my father's Aircamper
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| Subject: | Re: Motor Mount Questions |
Thanks Jack, sorry Chris, I should have known better! I think I'm going wit
h .095 wall and ream to 7/16. I'm sure I will have plenty more questions. Th
anks for the picture Jack!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Dec 16, 2012, at 2:25 PM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> I really don't think it matters if the inner tube is welded to the outer t
ube or not - it is just a "filler", but I would probably weld them together -
no reason not to.
>
> To be honest, I didn't build mine that way. I bought some 1.75" dia 4130 r
od stock and had a machine shop turn down the fittings and ream the bore to .
4375", then I welded them into the mount. I just found that easier and stro
nger, since there is no gap between the inner and outer tubes (there being b
ut one thick tube), and since the flat washer takes considerable load I want
ed it to be stronger than just a hardware store washer. Here's a picture sh
owing mine in the jig for welding:
>
> <image002.jpg>
>
> And a picture of the finished product on the airplane:
>
> <image003.jpg>
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 3:09 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Motor Mount Questions
>
>
> Jack
>
> Do you weld in the 1/2 tube or is this a slip fit so it can be replaced du
e
> to wear?? Why is this not mentioned on the plans? Why would you build it
> this way? Is there some reason not use one piece of thicker tubing? Why
> didn't Jack T. tell me this before I just ordered the tubing for the engin
e
> mount. Now I am depressed and I will have to go watch more TV.
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, Ca
> Westcoastpiet.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Phillips
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 11:52 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Motor Mount Questions
>
> --> <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> Jack,
>
> The drawing is calling for two tubes, telescoping one inside the other.
> Note the cross-hatching in the cross-section. It is a drawing convention
> that when the direction of cross-hatching (the little angled lines) change
s,
> it implies that there is a separate part shown.
>
> Slip a piece of 1/2" tube (either .035" wall or .049" wall) inside the 5/8
"
> tube and after welding, ream to fit a 7/16" (0.4375") bolt.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack T.
> Textor
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 2:01 PM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motor Mount Questions
>
> In pic it calls for 5/8x.049 and ream for 7/16. It looks like it would tak
e
> a 5/8x.095 to be tight enough for a 7/16 bolt. Or is the drawing calling f
or
> 2 tubes, one inside the other? Plenty of trouble reading the mount
> drawing...
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Motor Mount Questions |
Jack T.
No wonder you're having difficulty with the plans... you've got them upside down.
Don't build your motor mount that way.
BC
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| Subject: | Motor Mount Questions/Motor Mount Jig available |
Hi All,
Speaking of engine mount jigs. I am finished with Don E's nice angle iron jig.
Don told me to pass it on when I'm done. Very sturdy jig, for small continental,
think it is about 1" longer than plans, puts the top flange 13 3/4" from fire
wall.
Can be picked up in NW West Virginia, by Parkersburg, write me off list.
Skip
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| Subject: | Re: Motor Mount Questions/Motor Mount Jig available |
I think it's jigged up 4 mounts so far. Let's keep it going for 5!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Motor Mount Questions/Motor Mount Jig available |
I think I am line for Don's Jig. Can I fly down to pick it up or will I have to
drive?
--------
Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
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| Subject: | Soaking cap strips in water. Need help! |
Has anyone ever had this trouble. I cannot believe it is even doing it and don't
know why or how to stop it. I soaked my spruce cap strips in a pvc tube with
tap water overnight, next day pull them out and put in jig. They dry out overnight
but when dry they have black mold spots on them. I then tried distilled
water and same results. Tried adding bleach to distilled water and after they
were dry they have black spots again. The problem also is that they seem to be
deep and it doesn't want to sand off easy. After scrubing the dry wood with straight
bleach it will come off but then turns the wood a grey color when the
bleach dries. Anyone know whats going on and how to stop it? Thanks Rob
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Can anyone tell me if someone sells smooth 21X3 tires. Or where the the best place
and best tire ( soft to medium ) dirt bike tire to cut the knobs off and smooth
up. Looking for some that has nice side walls or side walls that can also
be smoothed. Does anyone run wider tires ( maybe a 4" ) on the 3 rim to make
it look more rounder? Thanks Rob
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| Subject: | Motor Mount Questions/Motor Mount Jig available |
Hi Skip=2CThis is Fred Kim. My son=2C Fred=2C and I are building a Piet up
here in Pittsburgh. we are getting ready for the engine mount. We kind of u
se Don E and his Piet for guidance.He mentioned that there is a jig out the
re somewhere that he had. Would it be available to use? We could fly down t
o Parkersburg or somewhere closer to pick it up.
From: skipgadd@earthlink.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Motor Mount Questions/Motor Mount Jig availabl
e
Hi All=2C
Speaking of engine mount jigs. I am finished with Don E's nice angle iron j
ig. Don told me to pass it on when I'm done. Very sturdy jig=2C for small c
ontinental=2C think it is about 1" longer than plans=2C puts the top flange
13 3/4" from fire wall.
Can be picked up in NW West Virginia=2C by Parkersburg=2C write me off list
.
Skip
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| Subject: | Re: Soaking cap strips in water. Need help! |
Rob, that sounds like a problem. I did the same for mine, no mold. Wish I had an
answer for you.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Dec 16, 2012, at 7:46 PM, "Pietflyer1977" <rob@stoinoff.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone ever had this trouble. I cannot believe it is even doing it and don't
know why or how to stop it. I soaked my spruce cap strips in a pvc tube with
tap water overnight, next day pull them out and put in jig. They dry out overnight
but when dry they have black mold spots on them. I then tried distilled
water and same results. Tried adding bleach to distilled water and after they
were dry they have black spots again. The problem also is that they seem to
be deep and it doesn't want to sand off easy. After scrubing the dry wood with
straight bleach it will come off but then turns the wood a grey color when the
bleach dries. Anyone know whats going on and how to stop it? Thanks Rob
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390569#390569
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| Subject: | Re: Soaking cap strips in water. Need help! |
Soak them in boiling water - it will inhibit a lot of of the mold
growth, plus you only need to soak for 30-45 minutes, so you are
drastically cutting down on the time the wood is wet. Seal your jig
with a polyurethane varnish, just in case it is a source of mold
spores. Put your drying capstrip/jig in a sunny (or at least not
dark) spot. I won't garauntee that any of this will stop all the mold
growth, but what you are doing is minimizing the conditions (cool,
dark & wet) that encourage it. If you still have problems, try
'bleaching' with hydrogen peroxide instead of bleach. It removes the
stain without discoloring the wood so badly.
Kip
On Dec 16, 2012, at 8:46 PM, Pietflyer1977 wrote:
> >
>
> Has anyone ever had this trouble. I cannot believe it is even doing
> it and don't know why or how to stop it. I soaked my spruce cap
> strips in a pvc tube with tap water overnight, next day pull them
> out and put in jig. They dry out overnight but when dry they have
> black mold spots on them. I then tried distilled water and same
> results. Tried adding bleach to distilled water and after they were
> dry they have black spots again. The problem also is that they seem
> to be deep and it doesn't want to sand off easy. After scrubing the
> dry wood with straight bleach it will come off but then turns the
> wood a grey color when the bleach dries. Anyone know whats going on
> and how to stop it? Thanks Rob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390569#390569
>
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| Subject: | Re: Soaking cap strips in water. Need help! |
I did the same, no problem; my wood was from ACS, dunno
dave- NX1QZ
--- On Mon, 12/17/12, Pietflyer1977 <rob@stoinoff.com> wrote:
From: Pietflyer1977 <rob@stoinoff.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Soaking cap strips in water. Need help!
Has anyone ever had this trouble. I cannot believe it is even doing it and
don't know why or how to stop it. I soaked my spruce cap strips in a pvc tu
be with tap water overnight, next day pull them out and put in jig. They dr
y out overnight but when dry they have black mold spots on them. I then tri
ed distilled water and same results. Tried adding bleach to distilled water
and after they were dry they have black spots again. The problem also is t
hat they seem to be deep and it doesn't want to sand off easy. After scrubi
ng the dry wood with straight bleach it will come off but then turns the wo
od a grey color when the bleach dries. Anyone know whats going on and how t
o stop it? Thanks Rob
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le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Motor Mount Questions/Motor Mount Jig available |
Hey Fred and Fred... I do remember we talked about getting it for you to use.
It's a little bulky, but with some creativity you could probably get it in the
L2. Skip lives on an airstrip so that helps. You could probably take some of
it apart too. When you put it back together though, you might want to do a
little re-aligning.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Soaking cap strips in water. Need help! |
I did the same as Kip... hot water. I only soaked for 20 minutes or so and then
jigged up for a day or so to dry. Did several at a time so I could keep busy
on the ribs.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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