---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/26/12: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:28 AM - Franklin 60 HP engine available (John Kuhfahl) 2. 09:25 AM - Re: Franklin 60 HP engine available (Ryan Mueller) 3. 09:41 AM - Re: Franklin 60 HP engine available (shad bell) 4. 11:30 AM - M-5 Radial (TriScout) 5. 12:06 PM - Re: Merry Christmas! (helspersew@aol.com) 6. 12:30 PM - Re: Franklin 60 HP engine available (dgaldrich) 7. 12:33 PM - Re: M-5 Radial (Ryan Mueller) 8. 12:59 PM - Re: Franklin 60 HP engine available (AircamperN11MS) 9. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: Franklin 60 HP engine available (Gene Rambo) 10. 01:32 PM - Re: Franklin 60 HP engine available (AircamperN11MS) 11. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: Franklin 60 HP engine available (Dick N) 12. 05:59 PM - Re: M-5 Radial (TriScout) 13. 10:31 PM - Re: M-5 Radial (aerocarjake) 14. 10:32 PM - Re: M-5 Radial (aerocarjake) 15. 11:13 PM - Wire wheel hub autocad- first post!!!! (jet_jockey) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Franklin 60 HP engine available From: John Kuhfahl Anyone need or interested in this? This is a two cylinder--complete with spare. I can get more on this if anyone is interested. If I had extra cash, I'd buy them. I am an A&P and can tell you they look sweet--would fit nice on a Piet! John 90% done/90% to go -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Franklin 60 HP engine available From: Ryan Mueller Well....60 hp, but you have to turn it up to 3200RPM to get that, and dry weight is around 150~ lbs, so it's also kind of light for a Piet. Plus it's an oddball Franklin engine, so parts are going to be....less than plentiful, shall we say. :P It sort of ballparks around the weight/power/RPM of VW conversions, and the questionable suitably of those for a Piet has been hashed around before. It would be an interesting conversation piece though in the hangar though :P On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:27 AM, John Kuhfahl wrote: > Anyone need or interested in this? This is a two cylinder--complete with > spare. I can get more on this if anyone is interested. If I had extra > cash, I'd buy them. I am an A&P and can tell you they look sweet--would > fit nice on a Piet! John 90% done/90% to go > > -- > John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), > President, KUHLCOUPER LLC > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:00 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Franklin 60 HP engine available It might make a nice Ice Boat (prop driven bob slead thinggy) engine, I cou ld use one today here in this blizzard.- Those were the 2 cyl. engines th at Bellanca put on the 7ACA champs in the early 70's.- Every one I have e ver seen (only 4 or 5)-that came from the factory with the 2 cyl, has bee n modified to at least the 65 cont.- They were the first champs to have t he spring gear, like the Citabrias of the era. - Shad Don't archive --- On Wed, 12/26/12, Ryan Mueller wrote: From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Franklin 60 HP engine available Well....60 hp, but you have to turn it up to 3200RPM to get that, and dry w eight is around 150~ lbs, so it's also kind of light for a Piet. Plus it's an oddball Franklin engine, so parts are going to be....less than plentiful , shall we say. :P It sort of ballparks around the weight/power/RPM of VW conversions, and the questionable suitably of those for a Piet has been hashed around before. It would be an interesting conversation piece though in the hangar though : P On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:27 AM, John Kuhfahl wrote: Anyone need or interested in this? This is a two cylinder--complete with sp are.- I can get more on this if anyone is interested. If I had extra cash , I'd buy them.- I am an A&P and can tell you they look sweet--would fit nice on a Piet!- John- 90% done/90% to go -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: M-5 Radial From: "TriScout" Any ideas opinions on how this might perform on a GN-1 compared to an A65? I think it would look nice atleast. Will need to fabricate motor mount/exhaust for starters. Price a bit steep though.. Larry http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=732170 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390980#390980 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Merry Christmas! From: helspersew@aol.com "He's a four-flusher MaryBeth" -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:55 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Merry Christmas! And don't even THINK about coming to Brodhead!! 8) Gene On Dec 24, 2012, at 8:23 PM, "C N Campbell" wro te: Jack, I have heard you guys talk about the Great Waldo Pepper several times . Where can I get a copy of it? I have never seen it. I guess to be a Pi etenpol pilot I will have to have seen the movie. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 7:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Merry Christmas! Just did our Holiday routine =93 watched The Great Waldo Pepper o n Chirstmas Eve. Merry Christmas to all my Pietenpol friends! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chr ef="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ========= ctric.com >www.buildersbooks.com uilthelp.com matronics.com/contribution ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Franklin 60 HP engine available From: "dgaldrich" Might work on a Sky Scout... Dick Navrotil, are you here??? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390986#390986 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: M-5 Radial From: Ryan Mueller Well, Frank Pavliga has a 90hp Lambert on his Piet....a development of the Velie, a little lighter but more or less the same size physically. The M-5 would be ~220-240lbs, depending on who you believe, so that would be Model A ballpark weight but with more power. No reason why it wouldn't fly fine.... It would look cool, but compared to an A-65....heavier, and parts far less available; plus it's been sitting for 58 years, and might need accessories overhauled. Maybe it will be just fine, maybe you would have to throw way more money into it. By comparison: http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_638232_continental+engine.html $6500 (well, the text in the ad says $6000) gets you a purportedly low-time A-65 with 150 SMOH, new Slick mags, running right now on a Cub..... A Velie powered Piet would be very cool, just depends whether you would be willing to dedicate the money/effort to such an antique combo, or would prefer a more practical/less expensive combo like the A-65 powered variant.... On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:29 PM, TriScout wrote: > > Any ideas opinions on how this might perform on a GN-1 compared to an > A65? I think it would look nice atleast. Will need to fabricate motor > mount/exhaust for starters. Price a bit steep though.. Larry > > http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=732170 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390980#390980 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Franklin 60 HP engine available From: "AircamperN11MS" I have flown one of those Champs (once) in the early 90's. Although it flew, it wasn't very well. They were certified in Minnesota in the winter time. That being said, I had a hard time keeping the oil temp down out here in California. It wasn't even hot out. Oh, It shook pretty good at lower RPM's too. I vote for the boat thingy application. Cheers -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390991#390991 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:21 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Franklin 60 HP engine available I am seriously looking at buying them and building a Penguin out of the F&G Manual for Will! Gene On Dec 26, 2012, at 3:59 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > I have flown one of those Champs (once) in the early 90's. Although it flew, it wasn't very well. They were certified in Minnesota in the winter time. That being said, I had a hard time keeping the oil temp down out here in California. It wasn't even hot out. Oh, It shook pretty good at lower RPM's too. I vote for the boat thingy application. > > Cheers > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390991#390991 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Franklin 60 HP engine available From: "AircamperN11MS" That could work. Just put a throttle stop on the thing. I was thinking it would work good on a volksplane or hummel bird. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390996#390996 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:07 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Franklin 60 HP engine available Yes Dave , I am here daily. Not as good or as classy as a Harley Davidson Engine though. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "dgaldrich" Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 2:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Franklin 60 HP engine available > > > Might work on a Sky Scout... Dick Navrotil, are you here??? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390986#390986 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: M-5 Radial From: "TriScout" My A65 runs just fine...can't even find a drop of oil in the cowling at annual on my GN-1, but that li'l M-5 sure would look good. I think I better stick w/what I have. Like archie bunker says "if it ain't fixed, why not break it any more" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391014#391014 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: M-5 Radial From: "aerocarjake" Looks beautiful...!! I am choosing to use a ROTEC radial to mimic Bernard Pietenpol's Velie radial ship he built in 1931. My choice is for looks and reliability but the Velie would sure be nice. It certainly would sound better. For the price they are asking you could buy it and put $10,000 more into rebuilding it and still spend no more than the ROTEC. It all depends on what you want to build and why you are embarked on this journey....... I spent about 16 hours in the shop over the past two days an it feels very gratifying....... Any choice you make will bring a neat airplane - the airplane you build - into the skies......... Just my 2c -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391025#391025 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: M-5 Radial From: "aerocarjake" Bernard's 1931 Velie Pietenpol -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391026#391026 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1931_piet_1_106.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire wheel hub autocad- first post!!!! From: "jet_jockey" Had my brother sketch this up. Tape a copy to a piece of metal and center punch on the X's. I used a 3.5' hole saw for the outside diameter and 2' for the center. 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