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1. 09:55 AM - Airbox Question (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 10:17 AM - Re: Airbox Question (shad bell)
3. 10:43 AM - Re: Airbox Question (taildrags)
4. 11:27 AM - Re: Airbox Question (Jack)
5. 11:41 AM - Re: Airbox Question (Jack)
6. 01:44 PM - Airbox Question 2 (Jack)
7. 01:58 PM - Re: Airbox Question 2 (shad bell)
8. 02:16 PM - Re: Airbox Question 2 (Jack)
9. 03:11 PM - Re: Airbox Question 2 (Jerry Dotson)
10. 06:52 PM - Re: Another ski video (Mark Roberts)
11. 07:01 PM - Re: New GoPro for Christmas (Mark Roberts)
12. 08:53 PM - Re: Airbox Question (taildrags)
13. 10:16 PM - Re: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs (Lyle Fast)
14. 11:01 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
15. 11:09 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
16. 11:22 PM - Re: Airbox Question 2 (shad bell)
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Jack=3B you can see the setup on my A75 at the second-to-last photo here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75.html
My airbox had some plate nuts riveted on behind the four holes but I found
that with those nuts I couldn't tighten the filter fasteners to my satisfac
tion. They slipped or stripped. So=2C I just left them in place and went
through the filter=2C gasket=2C and airbox with AN525 washer-head screws=2C
secured with flat washers and fiber locknuts behind the plate nuts.
My air filter came with a rectangular gasket. The fit at the airbox isn't
that critical=3B it serves to keep unfiltered air from entering the carb bu
t it isn't like the gaskets or fit downstream of the carb=2C which need to
be very tight so the air/fuel mixture isn't affected if there is a leak. Y
ou could probably get some shears or an Xacto knife and cut yourself a gask
et out of orange baffling material=2C a rubber inner tube=2C or some stiff
fibrous material.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Standard practice is usually: Self locking nuts are not safty wired.- The
nut plates should be tight enough that the bolts/ screws can not be turned
in by hand with out a wrench or screwdriver.- On our bracket filter I pu
t a dab of torque seal on the bolt heads to indicate when and if the bolt h
as backed out, over 50 hrs of flying the 1st year it was installed, and the
y did not budge.
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Shad---
--- On Mon, 12/31/12, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Airbox Question
et>
Jack for something like that, just ask yourself what would happen if the
bolts came loose.- Is it a catastrophic failure?- For something like an
air
filter, if it parted company with the airplane the only thing that might
happen is that your engine would breathe better.- Besides, on my Continen
tal
installations, the air filter will be readily obvious on preflight
inspection.- I would use whatever you're comfortable with.- One of the
advantages of experimental aircraft is you are not bound by regulations.-
Of
course, that is a two-edged sword, so you've got to think about the
consequences.
Having said that, I just walked over and loked at my Pietenpol.- I secure
d
my Brackett Air Filter with AN3 bolts and locknuts.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 1:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airbox Question
For my C85 I need to rivet ms21047-L3 plate nuts (10-32) to the box to hold
the filter. Do I need drilled an3's to secure the filter with safety wire o
r
will the plate nuts suffice like lock nuts? Also, I assume I need a gasket
between the airbox and carb. Is there a gasket between the filter and
airbox?
Thanks and Happy New Year!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Airbox Question |
I should add that it was my practice to service the air filter twice a year when
I based the airplane in dusty south Texas and flew it off the grass. Fiber
locknuts make it quick and easy to pull the filter for service, and I will replace
the nuts every couple of years when the fiber won't hold tight. I was quite
surprised at the amount of crud that my filter catches when flying in dusty,
grassy, pollen-y conditions. I wash it, dry it, and then apply K&N filter
spray to the inlet side of the filter.
Not sure if I'll need to service the filter more than annually up here in Oregon,
but we'll see.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Airbox Question |
Thanks JP, Oscar and Shad! Think I will try the plate nuts. Got a bunch done on
the Piet this Holiday break. Lots of sanding, finished up panel except final
finish and radio, got the firewall started and finished my motor mount jig finished
and painted. Next stop will be the engine mount.
Safe New Year to all!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Dec 31, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
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> Checked the manual and it appears instead of plate nuts they specify some kind
of locking zeus fastener. Would bolts and plate nuts work also?
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> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
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> On Dec 31, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
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>> For my C85 I need to rivet ms21047-L3 plate nuts (10-32) to the box to hold
the filter. Do I need drilled an3's to secure the filter with safety wire or will
the plate nuts suffice like lock nuts? Also, I assume I need a gasket between
the airbox and carb. Is there a gasket between the filter and airbox?
>> Thanks and Happy New Year!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> Jack Textor
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| Subject: | Re: Airbox Question |
Also, looks like I will need to fab the support bracket that secures the box to
the case....
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Jan 1, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
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> Thanks JP, Oscar and Shad! Think I will try the plate nuts. Got a bunch done
on the Piet this Holiday break. Lots of sanding, finished up panel except final
finish and radio, got the firewall started and finished my motor mount jig finished
and painted. Next stop will be the engine mount.
> Safe New Year to all!
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
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> On Dec 31, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
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>> Checked the manual and it appears instead of plate nuts they specify some kind
of locking zeus fastener. Would bolts and plate nuts work also?
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>> Sent from my iPad
>> Jack Textor
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>> On Dec 31, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
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>>> For my C85 I need to rivet ms21047-L3 plate nuts (10-32) to the box to hold
the filter. Do I need drilled an3's to secure the filter with safety wire or
will the plate nuts suffice like lock nuts? Also, I assume I need a gasket between
the airbox and carb. Is there a gasket between the filter and airbox?
>>> Thanks and Happy New Year!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> Jack Textor
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| Subject: | Airbox Question 2 |
Me again...looking for the correct bolts to secure the box to the carb. Not AN3,
1/4x20 thread ok but seem a bit loose. Any ideas?
Thanks
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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| Subject: | Re: Airbox Question 2 |
I can check my 65 on the baby lakes, but I think they are studs, not bolts,
the threads in the bottom of the carb are 1/4 20, but I believe the thread
s in the bottom (for the castle nuts)-are 1/4 28 with a drilled shank for
a castle nut and cotterpin.- Like I said I am not certin so I can check.
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Shad
--- On Tue, 1/1/13, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airbox Question 2
Me again...looking for the correct bolts to secure the box to the carb. Not
AN3, 1/4x20 thread ok but seem a bit loose. Any ideas?
Thanks
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Airbox Question 2 |
That makes sense Shad, will have to dig up some studs, thanks!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Jan 1, 2013, at 3:58 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I can check my 65 on the baby lakes, but I think they are studs, not bolts
, the threads in the bottom of the carb are 1/4 20, but I believe the thread
s in the bottom (for the castle nuts) are 1/4 28 with a drilled shank for a c
astle nut and cotterpin. Like I said I am not certin so I can check.
>
> Shad
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> --- On Tue, 1/1/13, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
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> From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airbox Question 2
> To: "Pietenpol List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 1, 2013, 4:43 PM
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> Me again...looking for the correct bolts to secure the box to the carb. No
t AN3, 1/4x20 thread ok but seem a bit loose. Any ideas?
> Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Airbox Question 2 |
Jack my O-235 has 1/4 20 studs with elastic stop nuts...same at the joint between
the carb and the oil pan. I guess they used thead lock. When I did the major
I double nutted them to see if they would come out......not. I am sure I could
have gotten them out but had no use to. Just checked for security.
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Another ski video |
Very cool video! It's stuff like this Don that keeps me motivated to keep at it,
even thought will be some time before I can fly mine :D
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| Subject: | Re: New GoPro for Christmas |
Love that video!
That camera will be a piece of cake for a PharmD doc! O chem is much harder :D
Looks like you are off to a great start! Makes me wanna fly but I have several
more years yet :?
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| Subject: | Re: Airbox Question |
Jack;
About that little support bracket that braces the air box to the case. Be aware
that not all small Continentals have them. I'll bet if you snoop on the Westcoast
Piet site, Fly Baby site, and others with A65-A75-C75-C85-C90 with that
airbox, you'll find about half with and half without the brace. Mine has the
brace, but in the nose-over, it crumpled. See the picture of the air box and
filter down past halfway on this page:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/incident/incident.html
When I was gathering parts for the repairs, I found out that that little brace
can get quite expensive if you buy the genuine part, so don't bother. I fabricated
mine, and it's a very simple piece that you can quickly bend up out of aluminum.
Oddly enough, mine isn't symmetrical but I can't remember why it isn't.
I used the old piece as a go-by, but shaped mine a little differently. Mine
attaches to the air box with PK screws, I think.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs |
I expect it will get very hot! Caution is advised.
From: C N Campbell
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs
How hot does that get and how far back does it get hot? If it gets hot
TOO far back, I would surely scald myself. C
----- Original Message -----
From: Lyle Fast
To: scott liefield
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs
Have had this mocked up for about a month, SE5 was also my
inspiration, the book I read said pilots loved the long pipes. No
muffler just a stainless flexible exhaust joint.
Lyle
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To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 10:04:31 -0500
Hey Michael,
They weigh the same, as they are basically the same engine, unless you
get the newest O-200 (as has been stated).
The benefit of the C-90 over the O-200 is that it produces more torque
at a slower speed, allowing for a larger prop, which performs better on
a draggy airframe like this one. The O-200 was designed to spin a much
smaller prop, much faster for slicker airframes, and while it certainly
will fly a Piet, just not as nicely as a larger prop (this from guys who
have flown in both, not heresay).
The guy who built my engine up is a great guy who was recommended by
Jack Textor and does great work. He has all the parts for a C-90 and a
couple O-200=92s he could modify, but not sure if you wanted to do the
work yourself. You can contact me offline and I=92ll give you his email
if you want to chat with him.
I wanted the weight up front so left the starter on, a everything I
could leave on to approximate the weight of the Ford which balanced
perfectly. I did not want to stick the nose out there!
I=92ll try to post some pics of the exhaust/muffler/heat muff set up.
One side is finished, but I=92ll take shots while I put the other side
together. Basically, it looks like a WWI SE5 exhaust. Two downtubes
from the cylinders turn back and will run back alongside the fuselage.
There is a 24=94, 4=94 diameter muffler just under the cylinders. From
the outside it looks like one piece, but the back is a muffler with some
baffles inside and the front is a heat shroud. Right side does the
carb, left side does cockpit heat (for my wife=92s toes). Gonna wrap
them in exhaust wrap to keep the shroud heat hot, and for a cool look.
The side pipes will run joint these units through a ball joint and
will run back a bit past the pilots=92 cockpit.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Airbox Question 2 |
Jack, I confirmed it, They are "Hybrid Studs".- 1/4 -20 and 1/4 28 on the
other end.- You might be able to order them or just have a local machine
shop or machinest buddy manufacture them for you.- You could probably ma
ke them by buying some grade 8 bolts (1/4 28), cutting off the head and usi
ng a die, cut the 1/4 20 threads on the one end.- This should be more tha
n adiquate to hold the gas/air mixer thinggy on the engine.- The die is p
robably only a few bucks, bolts a couple bucks or so more.- I would use l
ock tight on the top ends (carb side), and drill them for castle nuts, and
cotter pins or saftey wire on the 1/4 -28 end.
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Shad
--- On Tue, 1/1/13, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airbox Question 2
That makes sense Shad, will have to dig up some studs, thanks!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Jan 1, 2013, at 3:58 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
I can check my 65 on the baby lakes, but I think they are studs, not bolts,
the threads in the bottom of the carb are 1/4 20, but I believe the thread
s in the bottom (for the castle nuts)-are 1/4 28 with a drilled shank for
a castle nut and cotterpin.- Like I said I am not certin so I can check.
-
Shad
--- On Tue, 1/1/13, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airbox Question 2
Me again...looking for the correct bolts to secure the box to the carb. Not
AN3, 1/4x20 thread ok but seem a bit loose. Any ideas?
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