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1. 08:30 AM - Re: Headrest (Ray Krause)
2. 09:32 AM - Re: Another first flight (AircamperN11MS)
3. 12:30 PM - For what its worth - Piet Stats at FAA (Robert Dewenter)
4. 01:24 PM - Re: For what its worth - Piet Stats at FAA (C N Campbell)
5. 02:29 PM - mechanical tach (Daniel Engelkenjohn)
6. 04:33 PM - Tail ski (pineymb)
7. 04:50 PM - Re: Model A build question (ldmill)
8. 05:15 PM - mechanical tach (Daniel Engelkenjohn)
9. 05:36 PM - Re: mechanical tach (Greg Bacon)
10. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis (shad bell)
11. 06:53 PM - Re: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis (Jack Phillips)
12. 07:04 PM - Re: For what its worth - Piet Stats at FAA (K5YAC)
13. 07:35 PM - Re: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis (Dick N)
14. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: Model A build question (Ray Krause)
15. 10:13 PM - Re: Where are you guys finding your instruments? (Mark Roberts)
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Robert,
Thanks for all the info on the headrest. I am saving it for later. Should be doing
that this spring. Keep working, you plane looks great.
Ray Krause
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On Jan 7, 2013, at 6:12 PM, "caldwrl" <caldwrl@etex.net> wrote:
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> Ray Krause asked me about the headrest I have fabricated, so I thought I would
start a new topic for it. First, I built my turtle deck about 2" higher than
the drawing call for. Because I really like the look of the headrest I decided
to add one. I applied a base of 1/16" ply on the turtle deck as an attachment
point for the headrest. I roughed out the shape and size and made a plug
or form to lay up the fiber glass. The plug is made from laminated construction
foam sheet. Laminations glued together with 3M spray adhesive. I added a
1/4" ply sheet to the front of the plug for attaching a foam cushion. I used
clear packing tape as a mold release. (Can't say enough about having the Bingelis
books as how-to's) I wanted a flange around the base of the headrest in
order to facilitate attaching to the deck. I left the foam plug inside the fiber
glass shell after completing it for additional stiffness and strength. It
added very little weight. The shell was smoothed wit!
> h sanding and filler and primed. As yet the headrest is not permanently attached,
but I think T88 will do the trick and when covered with the Ceconite, all
will blend well. Pics attached.
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| Subject: | Re: Another first flight |
Hello all,
Now that I have a couple of minutes I will give you a pilot report on this new
plane.
With the help of some of the guys on this list I had a great understanding as what
to expect from the Corvair engine. You guys know who you are and I say thank
you.
This plane is the one that EAA Chapter 1279 brought to brodhead a few years ago,
uncovered. Those who were there should remember it. It is a short fuselage
and Corvair powered. The weight and balance was performed and it is tail heavy
like most others. 16 lbs of lead was bolted to the front of the engine mount
and for my weight (225 lbs ouch) I put 46 lbs more in the front cockpit against
the firewall. It work out nearly perfect since I only needed about 1/4 pound
of forward pressure on the stick for level flight.
The planes empty weight is 765 lbs, 62 lbs of lead, 225 lb pilot and 80 lbs of
fuel. Total 1132 lbs for the first flight. Wow, I guess I should loose some weight.
Anyway, I broke ground in less than 300 feet. It climbed at a decent
rate, no heavy wings and all gauges were normal so I climbed to 1500 feet AGL,
3000 ASL and orbited the airport for 30 minutes. Performed shallow turns then
steepened them slowly up to 60 degree banked turns both direction. All is good
except that the rudder offset needs to be corrected for the thrust of the
engine. I then did a couple of slips both right and left, good. Two power off
stalls (straight ahead with no wing drop) and then full power straight and level.
I was very happy after these maneuvers and returned for a three point landing.
Ground handling is also considered great. I provided provided the owners
with the numbers I had seen on all the gauges and a small to do list before
they start flying it themselves.
It was a great first flight and I expect to see them flying around California for
many years.
Thanks again to all who helped, happy landings,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | For what its worth - Piet Stats at FAA |
I wonder just how many Pietenpol / Sky Scouts are CURRENTLY being built and
not yet registered with the FAA??
Anyhow, here are some useless tidbits about the current fleet of registered
Piets/Scouts. Somehow I think Jack Phillips (or is it John?) is going to
have a field day with this....
According to current FAA registration data there are about 350 Pietenpol(s)
currently registered in the USA Of those, 15 are "Sky Scouts". Wisconsin has
the most at 25.
There are about 109 Pietenpol aircraft records without current FAA
registrations bringing the total known to the FAA (and at one time
registered) to around 459 Pietenpol/Sky Scouts give or take a few as there
were some duplicate records and apparently "lost/destroyed" are no longer in
the database.
Of those listing an engine, the most popular engine was (sit down) the A&C
65 - 78 of them (what a shocker) and a total of 108 Continentals. There are
40 "Conversions" and I am guessing those are the Corvair and Fords (mostly)
and only 1 radial listed (hhhhmmm...who could that be?)
Here is a rough listing of Pietenpol engines by type (not all registrations
noted an engine)
O-145 5
O-200 9
O-235 2
O-290 4
O-320 1
4AC1 6
A&C 65 78
A&C 75 14
A&C 80 1
A&C 85 15
ALL MDLS A/B 5
Conversion 41
Funk E 2
GO-140 10
R-2800 1
Here is the Pietenpol / Scout count by state
NH 1
ID 1
LA 1
MA 1
SD 1
RI 1
DE 1
CT 2
KY 2
MD 2
ME 2
WY 2
ND 2
AL 2
AK 2
WV 3
NM 3
MT 3
CO 3
UT 3
NE 3
AR 5
OR 5
SC 5
NJ 6
NC 6
WA 6
KS 7
TN 7
AZ 7
MI 8
VA 10
OK 10
NY 10
IA 11
GA 11
IN 12
IL 12
PA 15
MO 18
OH 20
MN 20
FL 24
CA 24
TX 24
WI 25
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| Subject: | Re: For what its worth - Piet Stats at FAA |
Robert, if you are starting a compilation of Piets under construction, here
is my data. Long, wood fuselage with Keri-Ann Price RH front door, WW
conversion Corvair engine with Weseman 5th bearing and Cloud Cars prop, will
have wooden landing gear struts with 800:600 wheels with Matco brakes (toe
operated from the rear seat only), steel wing struts made from Taylorcraft
struts, wings have ribs from a set of GN-1 plans (I was told that the GN-1
airfoil gave better rate of climb than the original Pietenpol airfoil).
Hope to fly by the end of summer 2013. Ohhh -- gotta get hot! Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Dewenter" <rdewenter@woh.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 3:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: For what its worth - Piet Stats at FAA
> <rdewenter@woh.rr.com>
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> I wonder just how many Pietenpol / Sky Scouts are CURRENTLY being built
> and
> not yet registered with the FAA??
>
> Anyhow, here are some useless tidbits about the current fleet of
> registered
> Piets/Scouts. Somehow I think Jack Phillips (or is it John?) is going to
> have a field day with this....
>
> According to current FAA registration data there are about 350
> Pietenpol(s)
> currently registered in the USA Of those, 15 are "Sky Scouts". Wisconsin
> has
> the most at 25.
>
> There are about 109 Pietenpol aircraft records without current FAA
> registrations bringing the total known to the FAA (and at one time
> registered) to around 459 Pietenpol/Sky Scouts give or take a few as there
> were some duplicate records and apparently "lost/destroyed" are no longer
> in
> the database.
>
> Of those listing an engine, the most popular engine was (sit down) the A&C
> 65 - 78 of them (what a shocker) and a total of 108 Continentals. There
> are
> 40 "Conversions" and I am guessing those are the Corvair and Fords
> (mostly)
> and only 1 radial listed (hhhhmmm...who could that be?)
>
> Here is a rough listing of Pietenpol engines by type (not all
> registrations
> noted an engine)
>
> O-145 5
> O-200 9
> O-235 2
> O-290 4
> O-320 1
> 4AC1 6
> A&C 65 78
> A&C 75 14
> A&C 80 1
> A&C 85 15
> ALL MDLS A/B 5
> Conversion 41
> Funk E 2
> GO-140 10
> R-2800 1
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>
> Here is the Pietenpol / Scout count by state
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> NH 1
> ID 1
> LA 1
> MA 1
> SD 1
> RI 1
> DE 1
> CT 2
> KY 2
> MD 2
> ME 2
> WY 2
> ND 2
> AL 2
> AK 2
> WV 3
> NM 3
> MT 3
> CO 3
> UT 3
> NE 3
> AR 5
> OR 5
> SC 5
> NJ 6
> NC 6
> WA 6
> KS 7
> TN 7
> AZ 7
> MI 8
> VA 10
> OK 10
> NY 10
> IA 11
> GA 11
> IN 12
> IL 12
> PA 15
> MO 18
> OH 20
> MN 20
> FL 24
> CA 24
> TX 24
> WI 25
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If using the mechanical drive off the oil pump like Bernard did, which
way does the tach need to rotate, to the right or left? Will any
mechanical tach work?
Dennis
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This penetrating wheel/ski design might be of interest to the few Piet owners out
there that operate off skis in the winter.
I found that this setup sort of gives the best of both worlds allowing the plane
to be moved easily in the hanger and acts as a brake plus great directional
control on hard packed snow. In soft deep snow is where the ski will shine as
opposed to a tail wheel alone.
I apologize for the size of the picture files as they are off my iPhone and not
sure how to resize if even possible!;)
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Model A build question |
Thanks Dan/Brett! That helps a bunch. Finished my Sonex/Waiex in September, started
a Sky Scout project last month and am enjoying learning something new -
the Model A!
Lorin
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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Oops...that doesn=99t sound right. I =98ll try again. which
way is the tach cable driven on most aircraft tachs? Does the cable turn
clockwise or counterclockwise and are tachs available in which the cable
rotates the same? Does this make sense?
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: mechanical tach |
Hi Dennis,
Mitchell sells mechanical tachs in both CW and CCW flavors. You can also
get a 90 degree angle drive that allows you to reverse the rotation. So,
there are a many ways to skin this cat.
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Daniel Engelkenjohn <mushface1@gmail.com>wr
ote:
> Oops...that doesn=92t sound right. I =91ll try again. which way is the
tach
> cable driven on most aircraft tachs? Does the cable turn clockwise or
> counterclockwise and are tachs available in which the cable rotates the
> same? Does this make sense?
> Dennis
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Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
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| Subject: | Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis |
If I do that, I will be puttting taller windshields on...for sure.- Dad k
ept them small, for the look I guess. When it gets cold, I am loosening the
shoulder harness and leaning forward as much as I can to stay warm.- I h
ave flown a couple of times in snow flurries, just around the pattern, and
flown it down in the 20's once or twice.- I am so bundled up in insulated
coveralls, ski mask and goggles, and leather jacket that I almost need to
be lifted into the airplane.- That set-up gets me about 20-30 min. before
I need to land and jump in the fireplace to thaw out.
-
Shad
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From: Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
Shad,
If you can find some old wood water skis I think they would work great as b
ottoms.- If you wrap them in fiberglass like the wood canoe guys do, they
'd be almost indestructible.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis |
I'm like you, Shad. I wish my windshield was about 2" taller. I have cabin
heat, and a cover for the front cockpit so everything stays pretty warm
except my face. 20 minutes into a flight when the temps are in the 40's or
lower and I can't feel my face anymore.
Ought to be able to get the Piet in the air this weekend, though. Forecast
for Saturday and Sunday has clear skies and highs in the 70's.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
If I do that, I will be puttting taller windshields on...for sure. Dad kept
them small, for the look I guess. When it gets cold, I am loosening the
shoulder harness and leaning forward as much as I can to stay warm. I have
flown a couple of times in snow flurries, just around the pattern, and flown
it down in the 20's once or twice. I am so bundled up in insulated
coveralls, ski mask and goggles, and leather jacket that I almost need to be
lifted into the airplane. That set-up gets me about 20-30 min. before I
need to land and jump in the fireplace to thaw out.
Shad
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From: Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
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Shad,
If you can find some old wood water skis I think they would work great as
bottoms. If you wrap them in fiberglass like the wood canoe guys do, they'd
be almost indestructible.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: For what its worth - Piet Stats at FAA |
Jack Textor has a current registry (as of 2011) with over 100 listed builders.
Perhaps he will chime in... seems that there may be 15 - 20 people that have
come around since he last updated his database.
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| Subject: | Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis |
Jack and Shad
Be a bit careful in making your windshiel any taller. I made mine
taller about 19" tall, but I have gone thru a lot of windshields, I
broke 3 last summer alone. Now I tried building a frame and thank you
Jack for the article in the BPA news letter that was great I was just
going to try building one.
Good luck to both of you.
Dick N.
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From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 8:53 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the
skis
I'm like you, Shad. I wish my windshield was about 2" taller. I have
cabin heat, and a cover for the front cockpit so everything stays pretty
warm except my face. 20 minutes into a flight when the temps are in the
40's or lower and I can't feel my face anymore.
Ought to be able to get the Piet in the air this weekend, though.
Forecast for Saturday and Sunday has clear skies and highs in the 70's.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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bell
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:43 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the
skis
If I do that, I will be puttting taller windshields on...for
sure. Dad kept them small, for the look I guess. When it gets cold, I
am loosening the shoulder harness and leaning forward as much as I can
to stay warm. I have flown a couple of times in snow flurries, just
around the pattern, and flown it down in the 20's once or twice. I am
so bundled up in insulated coveralls, ski mask and goggles, and leather
jacket that I almost need to be lifted into the airplane. That set-up
gets me about 20-30 min. before I need to land and jump in the fireplace
to thaw out.
Shad
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From: Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of
the skis
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, January 7, 2013, 11:17 AM
<EmchAir@aol.com>
Shad,
If you can find some old wood water skis I think they would
work great as bottoms. If you wrap them in fiberglass like the wood
canoe guys do, they'd be almost indestructible.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Model A build question |
Hey, Lorin,
So, I build Waiex N51YX and then start building a Sky Scout; then, YOU build Waiex
N81YX and shortly thereafter start on a Sky Scout! What the hell goes here???
Guess I had better not trade in my old wife on a newer model!
I will be using the A 65 and not the Model T. I purchased the Sky Scout "kit" from
a really nice fellow who had collected most everything to build one over a
period of 15 years. his wife became ill and He never got started building beyond
drawing the fuselage side on the bench (which also came with the kit)! He
had all the wood (including 5 spars), almost all the metal, the engine (torn apart
but complete with mags and 2 carbs, the prop, a spinner, two new spoked 26"
wheels, most instruments, J-3 tank, a complete rib set, all the control horns
pre- made, the plans and a collocation of photos and a binder of information.....
All for $1,500.00 bucks! And to beat that, he was only 45 miles away!
I did not realize what a great deal I got till I started building and buying a
few pieces of wood and 4130!
So how could I not build a Sky Scout? Why are you building one? Low and Slow?
I started 2 years ago and have the tail pieces built and varnished, the left wing
is done and all the right wing needs is varnish. The center section is done
and the fuselage is on the original plans type gear. All metal parts are done
except the engine mount. When I get the right wing varnished, I will bring the
fuselage back into the shop and finish it off. I laminated my own cabanes,
but may remake them. I might also laminate the main struts, but might use the
old struts from the J-3.
I may take the EAA fabric class in March at Monterrey. Hope to rig it this summer
and then maybe start covering it.
Keep flying and building
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 8, 2013, at 4:49 PM, "ldmill" <lorin.miller@emerson.com> wrote:
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> Thanks Dan/Brett! That helps a bunch. Finished my Sonex/Waiex in September,
started a Sky Scout project last month and am enjoying learning something new
- the Model A!
>
> Lorin
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> Lorin Miller
> Waiex N81YX
> GN-1 N30PP
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| Subject: | Re: Where are you guys finding your instruments? |
Interesting concept as an add onto the panel...
Thanks!
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