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1. 10:22 AM - Panel coamings (Ken Bickers)
2. 10:49 AM - spar mistake (Scott Cutler)
3. 11:01 AM - Re: spar mistake (Gary Boothe)
4. 11:18 AM - Re: Panel coamings (John Francis)
5. 12:13 PM - Re: Re: Panel coamings (Ken Bickers)
6. 12:15 PM - Re: spar mistake (K5YAC)
7. 12:36 PM - Re: Panel coamings (helspersew@aol.com)
8. 12:37 PM - Re: spar mistake (helspersew@aol.com)
9. 12:46 PM - Re: spar mistake (John Francis)
10. 12:52 PM - Re: Panel coamings (Ken Bickers)
11. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: Panel coamings (Wayne Bressler)
12. 01:23 PM - Re: Panel coamings (Jack)
13. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: Panel coamings (Jack)
14. 01:41 PM - Re: spar mistake (C N Campbell)
15. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: Panel coamings (Ken Bickers)
16. 02:45 PM - Re: Panel coamings (Gene Rambo)
17. 04:47 PM - Re: Panel coamings (nightmare)
18. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: Panel coamings (Ken Bickers)
19. 06:33 PM - Re: Re: Piets to Brodhead (Dan Yocum)
20. 08:06 PM - Re: Panel coamings (nightmare)
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This week, we had a warm spell that permitted me to make some progress
on the cockpit instrument panels and coamings (picture attached).
This has been a fun set of challenges. A lot of thinking in three
dimensions to make everything line up. Further progress on this will
have to wait, as cold has returned. Time to start tackling some
fabric covering in the nice warm basement at home.
Cheers, Ken
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My 7th grade students made their first big mistake on our Piet project.
They cut one of the wing spars =BD=94 too short. Lesson learned-measure
many
times, cut once. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to proceed?
Obviously, one expensive option is to purchase a new spar. How bad is
the
option to make all the spars =BD=94 too short leading to a wingspan that
is 1=94
shorter. Will that give us a higher cruise speed (ha, ha).
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Just my opinion, Scott, but the only thing it really affects is the
attachment of the wing-tip bow. Make a longer bracket to put the bow in
the
right place and move on.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Cutler
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: spar mistake
My 7th grade students made their first big mistake on our Piet project.
They cut one of the wing spars =BD=94 too short. Lesson learned-measure
many
times, cut once. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to proceed?
Obviously, one expensive option is to purchase a new spar. How bad is
the
option to make all the spars =BD=94 too short leading to a wingspan that
is 1=94
shorter. Will that give us a higher cruise speed (ha, ha).
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Subject: | Re: Panel coamings |
Awesome Ken! Is that copper veneer? If so, did you glue it down as well?
John
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Subject: | Re: Panel coamings |
Yes, John. Copper sheets. A friend had a couple pieces left over
from a home repair project. He gave them to me, thinking maybe I could
use them on the Pietenpol. I'm not sure the thickness, but will be
happy to measure. I'd guess around 0.040. The pieces are attached
with machine screws.
On the rear panel, each group of instruments is attached to a separate
copper sheet, allowing the instruments to be removed as clusters. On
the aft right hand sheet will later be installed a com and
transponder, which I'll need because the plane is based under a Class
B veil (and because I'll be installing an engine-driven electrical
system).
On the front panel, the copper pieces are purely decorative, though
the middle one serves as a door to a glove box. They are also
installed with machine screws.
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM, John Francis <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
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> Awesome Ken! Is that copper veneer? If so, did you glue it down as well?
>
> John
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Subject: | Re: spar mistake |
+1 on Gary's recommendation.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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Subject: | Re: Panel coamings |
Ken,
Love that copper idea.......but you have inadvertently revealed at least on
e your secret colors. Be prepared for imitators.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:25 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel coamings
This week, we had a warm spell that permitted me to make some progress
on the cockpit instrument panels and coamings (picture attached).
This has been a fun set of challenges. A lot of thinking in three
dimensions to make everything line up. Further progress on this will
have to wait, as cold has returned. Time to start tackling some
fabric covering in the nice warm basement at home.
Cheers, Ken
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Subject: | Re: spar mistake |
Scott,
I myself would not worry about it. Clipped-wing Piet.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Cutler <cutlertxs@comcast.net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:17 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: spar mistake
My 7th grade students made their first big mistake on our Piet project. Th
ey cut one of the wing spars =C2=BD=9D too short. Lesson learned-mea
sure many times, cut once. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to proc
eed? Obviously, one expensive option is to purchase a new spar. How bad i
s the option to make all the spars =C2=BD=9D too short leading to a w
ingspan that is 1=9D shorter. Will that give us a higher cruise spee
d (ha, ha).
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Subject: | Re: spar mistake |
Yup, what Gary says.
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Subject: | Re: Panel coamings |
could be a head feint. I'm thinking yellow and black would be awesome.
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Love that copper idea.......but you have inadvertently revealed at least one
> your secret colors. Be prepared for imitators.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:25 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel coamings
>
> This week, we had a warm spell that permitted me to make some progress
> on the cockpit instrument panels and coamings (picture attached).
> This has been a fun set of challenges. A lot of thinking in three
> dimensions to make everything line up. Further progress on this will
> have to wait, as cold has returned. Time to start tackling some
> fabric covering in the nice warm basement at home.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Panel coamings |
Are you based within the Bravo, or inside the Mode C veil?
Wayne Bressler
Taildraggers, Inc.
www.taildraggersinc.com
On Jan 12, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, John. Copper sheets. A friend had a couple pieces left over
> from a home repair project. He gave them to me, thinking maybe I could
> use them on the Pietenpol. I'm not sure the thickness, but will be
> happy to measure. I'd guess around 0.040. The pieces are attached
> with machine screws.
>
> On the rear panel, each group of instruments is attached to a separate
> copper sheet, allowing the instruments to be removed as clusters. On
> the aft right hand sheet will later be installed a com and
> transponder, which I'll need because the plane is based under a Class
> B veil (and because I'll be installing an engine-driven electrical
> system).
>
> On the front panel, the copper pieces are purely decorative, though
> the middle one serves as a door to a glove box. They are also
> installed with machine screws.
>
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM, John Francis <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> Awesome Ken! Is that copper veneer? If so, did you glue it down as well?
>>
>> John
>>
>> --------
>> John Francis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392112#392112
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Subject: | Re: Panel coamings |
Oh no sir it's yellow primer, they use it on all the Pietenpols now...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:35 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Love that copper idea.......but you have inadvertently revealed at least o
ne your secret colors. Be prepared for imitators.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:25 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel coamings
>
> This week, we had a warm spell that permitted me to make some progress
> on the cockpit instrument panels and coamings (picture attached).
> This has been a fun set of challenges. A lot of thinking in three
> dimensions to make everything line up. Further progress on this will
> have to wait, as cold has returned. Time to start tackling some
> fabric covering in the nice warm basement at home.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Panel coamings |
Beautiful work Ken, I'm feeling like a slug...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, John. Copper sheets. A friend had a couple pieces left over
> from a home repair project. He gave them to me, thinking maybe I could
> use them on the Pietenpol. I'm not sure the thickness, but will be
> happy to measure. I'd guess around 0.040. The pieces are attached
> with machine screws.
>
> On the rear panel, each group of instruments is attached to a separate
> copper sheet, allowing the instruments to be removed as clusters. On
> the aft right hand sheet will later be installed a com and
> transponder, which I'll need because the plane is based under a Class
> B veil (and because I'll be installing an engine-driven electrical
> system).
>
> On the front panel, the copper pieces are purely decorative, though
> the middle one serves as a door to a glove box. They are also
> installed with machine screws.
>
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM, John Francis <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> Awesome Ken! Is that copper veneer? If so, did you glue it down as well?
>>
>> John
>>
>> --------
>> John Francis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392112#392112
>
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Subject: | Re: spar mistake |
Scott, I would either do as you suggested -- make all the spars 1/2 inch
shorter or, on the tip end of that spar, glue on a 1/2- inch piece to
attach to the wing tip. The spars are cut down to 1 inch wide at that
point anyway. I believe the glue joint would be about as strong as if
the spar were one piece. Any of you engineers out there disagree? C
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Cutler
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 1:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: spar mistake
My 7th grade students made their first big mistake on our Piet
project. They cut one of the wing spars =BD" too short. Lesson
learned-measure many times, cut once. Does anyone have any suggestions
on how to proceed? Obviously, one expensive option is to purchase a new
spar. How bad is the option to make all the spars =BD" too short
leading to a wingspan that is 1" shorter. Will that give us a higher
cruise speed (ha, ha).
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Subject: | Re: Panel coamings |
We're under the modeC veil at an uncontrolled, but very busy, airport.
On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Wayne Bressler <wayne@taildraggersinc.com> wrote:
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> Are you based within the Bravo, or inside the Mode C veil?
>
> Wayne Bressler
> Taildraggers, Inc.
> www.taildraggersinc.com
>
> On Jan 12, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, John. Copper sheets. A friend had a couple pieces left over
>> from a home repair project. He gave them to me, thinking maybe I could
>> use them on the Pietenpol. I'm not sure the thickness, but will be
>> happy to measure. I'd guess around 0.040. The pieces are attached
>> with machine screws.
>>
>> On the rear panel, each group of instruments is attached to a separate
>> copper sheet, allowing the instruments to be removed as clusters. On
>> the aft right hand sheet will later be installed a com and
>> transponder, which I'll need because the plane is based under a Class
>> B veil (and because I'll be installing an engine-driven electrical
>> system).
>>
>> On the front panel, the copper pieces are purely decorative, though
>> the middle one serves as a door to a glove box. They are also
>> installed with machine screws.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM, John Francis <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Awesome Ken! Is that copper veneer? If so, did you glue it down as well?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> --------
>>> John Francis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392112#392112
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Panel coamings |
...said the greatest imitator of all time!!
Gene
On Jan 12, 2013, at 3:35 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Love that copper idea.......but you have inadvertently revealed at least o
ne your secret colors. Be prepared for imitators.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:25 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel coamings
>
> This week, we had a warm spell that permitted me to make some progress
> on the cockpit instrument panels and coamings (picture attached).
> This has been a fun set of challenges. A lot of thinking in three
> dimensions to make everything line up. Further progress on this will
> have to wait, as cold has returned. Time to start tackling some
> fabric covering in the nice warm basement at home.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Panel coamings |
beautiful work Ken. i noticed you used plywood instead of the more common aluminum.
Im contemplating which way to go and would love your opinion on your choice
of wood. are you going to paint directly over the wood, or cover with fabric
first? Thanks; Paul
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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Subject: | Re: Panel coamings |
I like wood. In fact, I've conducted a careful experiment comparing types of splinters.
My conclusion, after extensive research, is that metal splinters hurt
more than wood splinters (in another post I can expound on types of wood and
types of metal splinters).
Seriously, I prefer working in wood. It was part of the attraction of the Pietenpol.
I've worked with aluminum and don't particularly enjoy it. I'm inclined
to paint the plywood, but may decide later to lay cloth on it first.
On Jan 12, 2013, at 5:47 PM, "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> beautiful work Ken. i noticed you used plywood instead of the more common aluminum.
Im contemplating which way to go and would love your opinion on your choice
of wood. are you going to paint directly over the wood, or cover with fabric
first? Thanks; Paul
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> Started 8-3-12
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Subject: | Re: Piets to Brodhead |
Oh, pooh.
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On 01/11/2013 11:38 AM, Bill Church wrote:
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> Dan,
> I think Jack was asking about that yellow and blue thingie on the left side of
the photo, not the glider. Looks like maybe it's just a wing, hanging from
the rafters.
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> Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Panel coamings |
Thanks Ken; Paul
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Paul Donahue
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