---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/12/13: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:22 AM - Panel coamings (Ken Bickers) 2. 10:49 AM - spar mistake (Scott Cutler) 3. 11:01 AM - Re: spar mistake (Gary Boothe) 4. 11:18 AM - Re: Panel coamings (John Francis) 5. 12:13 PM - Re: Re: Panel coamings (Ken Bickers) 6. 12:15 PM - Re: spar mistake (K5YAC) 7. 12:36 PM - Re: Panel coamings (helspersew@aol.com) 8. 12:37 PM - Re: spar mistake (helspersew@aol.com) 9. 12:46 PM - Re: spar mistake (John Francis) 10. 12:52 PM - Re: Panel coamings (Ken Bickers) 11. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: Panel coamings (Wayne Bressler) 12. 01:23 PM - Re: Panel coamings (Jack) 13. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: Panel coamings (Jack) 14. 01:41 PM - Re: spar mistake (C N Campbell) 15. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: Panel coamings (Ken Bickers) 16. 02:45 PM - Re: Panel coamings (Gene Rambo) 17. 04:47 PM - Re: Panel coamings (nightmare) 18. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: Panel coamings (Ken Bickers) 19. 06:33 PM - Re: Re: Piets to Brodhead (Dan Yocum) 20. 08:06 PM - Re: Panel coamings (nightmare) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel coamings From: Ken Bickers This week, we had a warm spell that permitted me to make some progress on the cockpit instrument panels and coamings (picture attached). This has been a fun set of challenges. A lot of thinking in three dimensions to make everything line up. Further progress on this will have to wait, as cold has returned. Time to start tackling some fabric covering in the nice warm basement at home. Cheers, Ken ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:52 AM PST US From: "Scott Cutler" Subject: Pietenpol-List: spar mistake My 7th grade students made their first big mistake on our Piet project. They cut one of the wing spars =BD=94 too short. Lesson learned-measure many times, cut once. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to proceed? Obviously, one expensive option is to purchase a new spar. How bad is the option to make all the spars =BD=94 too short leading to a wingspan that is 1=94 shorter. Will that give us a higher cruise speed (ha, ha). ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:39 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: spar mistake Just my opinion, Scott, but the only thing it really affects is the attachment of the wing-tip bow. Make a longer bracket to put the bow in the right place and move on. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Cutler Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:50 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: spar mistake My 7th grade students made their first big mistake on our Piet project. They cut one of the wing spars =BD=94 too short. Lesson learned-measure many times, cut once. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to proceed? Obviously, one expensive option is to purchase a new spar. How bad is the option to make all the spars =BD=94 too short leading to a wingspan that is 1=94 shorter. Will that give us a higher cruise speed (ha, ha). ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Panel coamings From: "John Francis" Awesome Ken! Is that copper veneer? If so, did you glue it down as well? John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392112#392112 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Panel coamings From: Ken Bickers Yes, John. Copper sheets. A friend had a couple pieces left over from a home repair project. He gave them to me, thinking maybe I could use them on the Pietenpol. I'm not sure the thickness, but will be happy to measure. I'd guess around 0.040. The pieces are attached with machine screws. On the rear panel, each group of instruments is attached to a separate copper sheet, allowing the instruments to be removed as clusters. On the aft right hand sheet will later be installed a com and transponder, which I'll need because the plane is based under a Class B veil (and because I'll be installing an engine-driven electrical system). On the front panel, the copper pieces are purely decorative, though the middle one serves as a door to a glove box. They are also installed with machine screws. On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM, John Francis wrote: > > Awesome Ken! Is that copper veneer? If so, did you glue it down as well? > > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392112#392112 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar mistake From: "K5YAC" +1 on Gary's recommendation. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392117#392117 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel coamings From: helspersew@aol.com Ken, Love that copper idea.......but you have inadvertently revealed at least on e your secret colors. Be prepared for imitators. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Ken Bickers Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:25 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel coamings This week, we had a warm spell that permitted me to make some progress on the cockpit instrument panels and coamings (picture attached). This has been a fun set of challenges. A lot of thinking in three dimensions to make everything line up. Further progress on this will have to wait, as cold has returned. Time to start tackling some fabric covering in the nice warm basement at home. Cheers, Ken ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spar mistake From: helspersew@aol.com Scott, I myself would not worry about it. Clipped-wing Piet. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Scott Cutler Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:17 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: spar mistake My 7th grade students made their first big mistake on our Piet project. Th ey cut one of the wing spars =C2=BD=9D too short. Lesson learned-mea sure many times, cut once. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to proc eed? Obviously, one expensive option is to purchase a new spar. How bad i s the option to make all the spars =C2=BD=9D too short leading to a w ingspan that is 1=9D shorter. Will that give us a higher cruise spee d (ha, ha). ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar mistake From: "John Francis" Yup, what Gary says. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392123#392123 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel coamings From: Ken Bickers could be a head feint. I'm thinking yellow and black would be awesome. On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM, wrote: > Ken, > > Love that copper idea.......but you have inadvertently revealed at least one > your secret colors. Be prepared for imitators. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Bickers > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:25 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel coamings > > This week, we had a warm spell that permitted me to make some progress > on the cockpit instrument panels and coamings (picture attached). > This has been a fun set of challenges. A lot of thinking in three > dimensions to make everything line up. Further progress on this will > have to wait, as cold has returned. Time to start tackling some > fabric covering in the nice warm basement at home. > > Cheers, Ken > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Panel coamings From: Wayne Bressler Are you based within the Bravo, or inside the Mode C veil? Wayne Bressler Taildraggers, Inc. www.taildraggersinc.com On Jan 12, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > > Yes, John. Copper sheets. A friend had a couple pieces left over > from a home repair project. He gave them to me, thinking maybe I could > use them on the Pietenpol. I'm not sure the thickness, but will be > happy to measure. I'd guess around 0.040. The pieces are attached > with machine screws. > > On the rear panel, each group of instruments is attached to a separate > copper sheet, allowing the instruments to be removed as clusters. On > the aft right hand sheet will later be installed a com and > transponder, which I'll need because the plane is based under a Class > B veil (and because I'll be installing an engine-driven electrical > system). > > On the front panel, the copper pieces are purely decorative, though > the middle one serves as a door to a glove box. They are also > installed with machine screws. > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM, John Francis wrote: >> >> Awesome Ken! Is that copper veneer? If so, did you glue it down as well? >> >> John >> >> -------- >> John Francis >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392112#392112 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel coamings From: Jack Oh no sir it's yellow primer, they use it on all the Pietenpols now... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:35 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > Ken, > > Love that copper idea.......but you have inadvertently revealed at least o ne your secret colors. Be prepared for imitators. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Bickers > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:25 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel coamings > > This week, we had a warm spell that permitted me to make some progress > on the cockpit instrument panels and coamings (picture attached). > This has been a fun set of challenges. A lot of thinking in three > dimensions to make everything line up. Further progress on this will > have to wait, as cold has returned. Time to start tackling some > fabric covering in the nice warm basement at home. > > Cheers, Ken > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Panel coamings From: Jack Beautiful work Ken, I'm feeling like a slug... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > > Yes, John. Copper sheets. A friend had a couple pieces left over > from a home repair project. He gave them to me, thinking maybe I could > use them on the Pietenpol. I'm not sure the thickness, but will be > happy to measure. I'd guess around 0.040. The pieces are attached > with machine screws. > > On the rear panel, each group of instruments is attached to a separate > copper sheet, allowing the instruments to be removed as clusters. On > the aft right hand sheet will later be installed a com and > transponder, which I'll need because the plane is based under a Class > B veil (and because I'll be installing an engine-driven electrical > system). > > On the front panel, the copper pieces are purely decorative, though > the middle one serves as a door to a glove box. They are also > installed with machine screws. > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM, John Francis wrote: >> >> Awesome Ken! Is that copper veneer? If so, did you glue it down as well? >> >> John >> >> -------- >> John Francis >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392112#392112 > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:26 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spar mistake Scott, I would either do as you suggested -- make all the spars 1/2 inch shorter or, on the tip end of that spar, glue on a 1/2- inch piece to attach to the wing tip. The spars are cut down to 1 inch wide at that point anyway. I believe the glue joint would be about as strong as if the spar were one piece. Any of you engineers out there disagree? C ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Cutler To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 1:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: spar mistake My 7th grade students made their first big mistake on our Piet project. They cut one of the wing spars =BD" too short. Lesson learned-measure many times, cut once. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to proceed? Obviously, one expensive option is to purchase a new spar. How bad is the option to make all the spars =BD" too short leading to a wingspan that is 1" shorter. Will that give us a higher cruise speed (ha, ha). ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:16 PM PST US From: Ken Bickers Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Panel coamings We're under the modeC veil at an uncontrolled, but very busy, airport. On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Wayne Bressler wrote: > > Are you based within the Bravo, or inside the Mode C veil? > > Wayne Bressler > Taildraggers, Inc. > www.taildraggersinc.com > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > >> >> Yes, John. Copper sheets. A friend had a couple pieces left over >> from a home repair project. He gave them to me, thinking maybe I could >> use them on the Pietenpol. I'm not sure the thickness, but will be >> happy to measure. I'd guess around 0.040. The pieces are attached >> with machine screws. >> >> On the rear panel, each group of instruments is attached to a separate >> copper sheet, allowing the instruments to be removed as clusters. On >> the aft right hand sheet will later be installed a com and >> transponder, which I'll need because the plane is based under a Class >> B veil (and because I'll be installing an engine-driven electrical >> system). >> >> On the front panel, the copper pieces are purely decorative, though >> the middle one serves as a door to a glove box. They are also >> installed with machine screws. >> >> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM, John Francis wrote: >>> >>> Awesome Ken! Is that copper veneer? If so, did you glue it down as well? >>> >>> John >>> >>> -------- >>> John Francis >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392112#392112 > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel coamings From: Gene Rambo ...said the greatest imitator of all time!! Gene On Jan 12, 2013, at 3:35 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > Ken, > > Love that copper idea.......but you have inadvertently revealed at least o ne your secret colors. Be prepared for imitators. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Bickers > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:25 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel coamings > > This week, we had a warm spell that permitted me to make some progress > on the cockpit instrument panels and coamings (picture attached). > This has been a fun set of challenges. A lot of thinking in three > dimensions to make everything line up. Further progress on this will > have to wait, as cold has returned. Time to start tackling some > fabric covering in the nice warm basement at home. > > Cheers, Ken > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Panel coamings From: "nightmare" beautiful work Ken. i noticed you used plywood instead of the more common aluminum. Im contemplating which way to go and would love your opinion on your choice of wood. are you going to paint directly over the wood, or cover with fabric first? Thanks; Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392140#392140 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:07 PM PST US From: Ken Bickers Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Panel coamings I like wood. In fact, I've conducted a careful experiment comparing types of splinters. My conclusion, after extensive research, is that metal splinters hurt more than wood splinters (in another post I can expound on types of wood and types of metal splinters). Seriously, I prefer working in wood. It was part of the attraction of the Pietenpol. I've worked with aluminum and don't particularly enjoy it. I'm inclined to paint the plywood, but may decide later to lay cloth on it first. On Jan 12, 2013, at 5:47 PM, "nightmare" wrote: > > beautiful work Ken. i noticed you used plywood instead of the more common aluminum. Im contemplating which way to go and would love your opinion on your choice of wood. are you going to paint directly over the wood, or cover with fabric first? Thanks; Paul > > -------- > Paul Donahue > Started 8-3-12 > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392140#392140 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:34 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets to Brodhead Oh, pooh. do not archive On 01/11/2013 11:38 AM, Bill Church wrote: > > Dan, > I think Jack was asking about that yellow and blue thingie on the left side of the photo, not the glider. Looks like maybe it's just a wing, hanging from the rafters. > > Bill C. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392077#392077 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Panel coamings From: "nightmare" Thanks Ken; Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392149#392149 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.