---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/15/13: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:55 AM - Tim Willis (Jack) 2. 04:55 AM - Re: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco (Jack Phillips) 3. 05:00 AM - Re: spar mistake (womenfly2) 4. 06:02 AM - Re: Re: spar mistake (Ryan Mueller) 5. 06:09 AM - Re: dzus , camlock, or southco (nightmare) 6. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 7. 07:07 AM - Re: dzus , camlock, or southco (AircamperN11MS) 8. 07:09 AM - Re: dzus , camlock, or southco (kevinpurtee) 9. 07:41 AM - Re: Re: spar mistake (Dan Yocum) 10. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: spar mistake (Gary Boothe) 11. 08:05 AM - Re: dzus , camlock, or southco (nightmare) 12. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco (Ken Bickers) 13. 10:05 AM - Re: spar mistake (Bill Church) 14. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: spar mistake (Ken Bickers) 15. 10:16 AM - Re: dzus , camlock, or southco (Bill Church) 16. 10:42 AM - Re: Jack, Matt and Gene rendezvous (dewey davenport) 17. 12:15 PM - Re: dzus , camlock, or southco (kevinpurtee) 18. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: spar mistake (TOM STINEMETZE) 19. 12:55 PM - Re: dzus , camlock, or southco (Jerry Dotson) 20. 03:13 PM - gas tank material (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 21. 04:57 PM - Electrical Layout (Jack) 22. 05:13 PM - Re: gas tank material (Greg Cardinal) 23. 06:10 PM - Re: Gusset from Baltic birch (Jim Boyer) 24. 06:36 PM - Re: Gusset from Baltic birch (Kip and Beth Gardner) 25. 07:23 PM - Re: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco (Clif Dawson) 26. 07:29 PM - Re: Electrical Layout (George Abernathy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:16 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tim Willis Tim, the email I have for you is bouncing. If you want the Piet Directory please send me your new address to jack@textors.com. Thanks, Jack Jack Textor Des Moines, IA ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:24 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco I agree with John. My tank holds 15.5 gallons. The only time I've come close to using all that capacity is a couple of years ago when I had flown to Culpeper, Virginia to help Gene Rambo work on his Pietenpol. I had a tailwind going from Smith Mountain Lake to Culpeper and made the trip in about an hour and a half. On the return flight, the winds were blowing pretty well from the northwest and it took me 3 hours to get home. I began to worry a bit about fuel, but since most runways in this part of the world are oriented NE-SW, I wasn't thrilled with the prospect of making an extra landing in a direct crosswind of 15 - 20 knots. I plugged on and made it with a couple of gallons to spare, but in the words of Axel Olsen (TGWP) "I didn't like it much!" Any time I fly for more than an hour and a half, I'm ready to get out and stretch my legs. It just beats you to death, between the wind and the fact that there is one and only one position you can sit in when flying a Pietenpol. I try to plan cross-countries with legs of 90 to 100 miles to avoid getting too tired. Unless you've got a real gas guzzler of an engine, I would certainly not build a tank with more than 15 or 16 gallons capacity. You're just adding unnecessary weight. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 10:55 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco 20 Gallons! Knock four gallons off of that and have a little more cargo room. I have 17 gallons in mine and having been beat up in afternoon during a two-hour stretch, I can't imagine when you would need potentially four hours of fuel without having to get out and stretch. Your mileage may vary. John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:43 PM, nightmare wrote: Sorry for being unclear. the access door would be for the fuel tank/storage. Using the Riblett 613.5 (thicker than the standard 612, and even more so than the piet rib). center section will also be wider than standard. all this will allow 20 gallons and a very small amount of cargo space on both sides of tank. the door would primarily be to access cargo, but figured mine as well have easy access to the tank as well. yes, the variety of fastener would be like the ones used for cowlings. i plan on using the "winged" type, regardless of the brand. Couple of different versions from each manufacturer. i dont want to have to use a screwdriver. Thank You; Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392303#392303 - The --> &n======================== ======================= ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:33 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar mistake From: "womenfly2" .... a good time for your students to learn how to make a scarf joint. Its all about education, right. WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392326#392326 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar mistake From: Ryan Mueller Perform a scarf joint to recoup a 1/2" at the end of the spar? There's education, and there's pedantism.... On Jan 15, 2013 7:05 AM, "womenfly2" wrote: > > > .... a good time for your students to learn how to make a scarf joint. > > Its all about education, right. > > WF2 > > -------- > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392326#392326 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco From: "nightmare" Thanks for the tank capacity opinions. ill have to rethink what i really need for endurance. seems like i commonly read about folks adding a second tank, but you guys are probably right about 20 gallons being overkill. No opinions on fasteners? i suppose its a chevy, ford, dodge question. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392336#392336 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:41 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco My 2 cents. This advice is free and worth every penny. One planning factor I was taught when learning to fly. I set a 3 hour limit on how long I fly in one leg. In 3 hours someone has to use the toilet! Probably sooner Pilot or PAX. I like a one hour reserve (there is nothing like being lost with only 30 min to find yourself!) So no more than 4 hours of fuel. with a O-200 that is about 20 gallons. What is the longest a piet pilot flies? Cross country? plus reserve. If you decide 2 hours Plus reserve and you fly a 65 Cont. that is about 12-14 Gallons. Big difference from 20 gallons. Blue Skies, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nightmare Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco > > Thanks for the tank capacity opinions. ill have to rethink what i really need for endurance. seems like i commonly read about folks adding a > second tank, but you guys are probably right about 20 gallons > being overkill. > No opinions on fasteners? i suppose its a chevy, ford, dodge > question. > -------- > Paul Donahue > Started 8-3-12 > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392336#392336 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco From: "AircamperN11MS" I can carry 22.5 gallons. I find it nice that I have a choice to carry the extra gallons if needed. Sometime while making long cross countries there is no fuel available even though there is a place to land and stretch for awhile. Like between San Diego and Yuma. Worse yet, Yuma to Casa Grande. Very long legs. It is also nice that I can fly out 1.5 hours, have breakfast and return home without refueling. You can always carry less fuel if you don't need it for the flight, but it is nice to have the choice. I have a 10 gallon nose tank and 12.5 in the center section. My 3 cents, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392343#392343 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco From: "kevinpurtee" Hi Paul - My 9.5-gallon-usable tank was too small - no room for contingencies. My backup was a small gas can secured in the front. Not the safest option. Having said that, when I flew the airplane 1.4 hours I was more then ready to get out. I had the correct range for my physical comfort, just no contingency. My new 15 gallon tank will give me 2.5 hours. That will be perfect. I'll still want to get out at 1.4 but we'll be able to handle headwinds. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392344#392344 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:36 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar mistake On 01/15/2013 08:02 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Perform a scarf joint to recoup a 1/2" at the end of the spar? There's > education, and there's pedantism.... But, but, but... it won't have a 29'6" wing! Clearly it won't be a Pietenpol Air Camper(tm)! But, in the spirit of education, yes, this is a great opportunity to talk about, and even perform a scarf joint *on another piece of wood.* In fact, cut two pieces of wood the same length from the same board. Create a scarf joint in one and leave the other uncut. Then perform some destructive testing on each one and compare the results. Then consider how much time and effort it took to perform the scarf joint and really drive home how much time would have been wasted if they had to do the same thing on their spar. *That's* education! ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:32 AM PST US From: Gary Boothe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar mistake I just built to the nearest inch...may not be a Piet after all... Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2013, at 7:41 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > > > On 01/15/2013 08:02 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: >> Perform a scarf joint to recoup a 1/2" at the end of the spar? There's >> education, and there's pedantism.... > > > But, but, but... it won't have a 29'6" wing! Clearly it won't be a > Pietenpol Air Camper(tm)! > > > > But, in the spirit of education, yes, this is a great opportunity to > talk about, and even perform a scarf joint *on another piece of wood.* > In fact, cut two pieces of wood the same length from the same board. > Create a scarf joint in one and leave the other uncut. Then perform > some destructive testing on each one and compare the results. Then > consider how much time and effort it took to perform the scarf joint and > really drive home how much time would have been wasted if they had to do > the same thing on their spar. *That's* education! > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco From: "nightmare" Kevin; what can i expect the corvair to burn? I'll probably shoot for 17 gallons, but will make my final decision after i see how much/little cargo space will be available. Thank guys; Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392349#392349 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco From: Ken Bickers I've been of two minds about how much fuel to carry. First, I was certain that with the Pietenpol only two and half hours of fuel was required. Then, I was certain that four hours of fuel was required. Certainty is a wonderful thing. When I began the building process on the Pietenpol, we lived in the Midwest. In that part of the country, there are airports everywhere. Most sell fuel. Most have crosswind runways. Many have beautifully tended turf runways. Why, I asked, would anyone need more than two and half hours of fuel. When your back gets sore, land, stretch, and buy a few gallons of gas. Besides, more capacity than that meant unneeded weight, both in the tank itself and in unused gas that would tend to be hauled about. Then we moved to Colorado. Once you leave the metro-Denver area, airports get pretty sparse. The ones that are out here often don't have crosswind runways. Turf is a pseudonym for gravel. Many don't sell fuel. And the wind frequently blows hard. Sometimes from behind. But when you're watching the fuel gauges and calculating the time to the next airport that has gas, the wind is always off the nose and directly across the available runways. So now I'm a believer in more fuel capacity. Yes, it adds weight -- and complexity. But I've come to like the sound of the engine roaring at the front of the airplane. This is the case in my Pacer which cruises at about 105 knots. I expect it to be the case in the Pietenpol, which will cruise at a fraction of the Pacer's blinding speeds. So my Pietenpol will carry 20 gallons - 9 in the nose, 11 in the center section -- for about four hours behind a 2700 cc Corvair. In sum, I think the decision about how much fuel capacity to incorporate is a function of many factors. Where you fly is one of the biggest in that calculation. Cheers, Ken On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:09 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: > > Hi Paul - My 9.5-gallon-usable tank was too small - no room for contingencies. My backup was a small gas can secured in the front. Not the safest option. Having said that, when I flew the airplane 1.4 hours I was more then ready to get out. I had the correct range for my physical comfort, just no contingency. > > My new 15 gallon tank will give me 2.5 hours. That will be perfect. I'll still want to get out at 1.4 but we'll be able to handle headwinds. > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/San Marcos, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392344#392344 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar mistake From: "Bill Church" Ryan just made me look up a word. Pedant`ism n. 1. The office, disposition, or act of a pedant; pedantry. Ahhh... now it's clear. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392361#392361 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar mistake From: Ken Bickers Maybe Ryan is vying for the job of Top Pendantate. Surely that would disconcert the masses. On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Bill Church wrote: > > Ryan just made me look up a word. > > Pedant`ism > n. 1. The office, disposition, or act of a pedant; pedantry. > > Ahhh... now it's clear. > > BC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392361#392361 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco From: "Bill Church" Paul, I'm going to go out on a limb here, and answer for Kevin (based on what he just wrote). 15 gallons gives 2.5 hours (plus 1/2 hour reserve) = 15 /3.0 = 5gph 9.5 gallons gives 1.4 hours (plus 1/2 hour reserve) = 9.5/1.9 = 5 gph. I'd hazard a guess of about 5 gph. :) Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392364#392364 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:27 AM PST US From: dewey davenport Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jack, Matt and Gene rendezvous Douwe and rendezvouers=0AI would love to fly to brodhead this year but it r eally depends on my up and coming work schedule. If I get off of work I wil l plan on joining you guys where ever you like. =0A=C2-=0ADewey=0A =0A=0A ________________________________=0A From: Douwe Blumberg =0ATo: pietenpolgroup =0ASent: Fr iday, January 11, 2013 6:39 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Jack, Matt and Ge ne rendezvous=0A =0A=0A =0AHey Jack, Matt and Gene, =0A=C2- =0AI =99d love to tag along with your flight, and if you can=0Apossibly start pu tting Stewarts on your map as a stopping place, that would be=0Aawesome!! =0A=C2- =0A=C2- =0AAren=99t there some new guys in this area head ing up?=C2-=0ADewey Davenport has a piet near Stewarts, I=99ll see if he wants to head up=0Athis year. =0A=C2- =0AWhat about the West VA con tingent and Jeff Faith in Louisville ? =0A=C2- =0AThere are a couple more around Louisville who were talking of going, I=99ll=0Aget in touch w ========== ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco From: "kevinpurtee" I didn't include the reserve, Bill. 2.5 it burnout. I plan for 6 gph. Usually do a little better than that. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392370#392370 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:57 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar mistake Of course. A plethora of pedantic potentates. As a public servant we are required to take courses in this stuff along with obfuscation and plain old bad manners. Nevertheless, I would vote for Ryan for Top Pedantate as he was the one with the guts to start this thread. 8^) By the way, does anybody need a brand new ACS gascolator? I forgot that I already had one on the shelf that I ordered from Spruce last year. I will be glad to mail it to you and pay the postage for the catalog price $69.50. Note that the price did not go up in a year's time which is somewhat remarkable. e-mail me off-list if you are interested - toms at mcpcity.com do not archive Tom Stinemetze >>> Ken Bickers 1/15/2013 12:12 PM >>> Maybe Ryan is vying for the job of Top Pendantate. Surely that would disconcert the masses. On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Bill Church wrote: > > Ryan just made me look up a word. > > Pedant`ism > n. 1. The office, disposition, or act of a pedant; pedantry. > > Ahhh... now it's clear. > > BC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392361#392361 > > List Admin. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco From: "Jerry Dotson" My Lycoming burns 5.5 an hour @ 75 mph and 5.8 @80 mph. I never cruised any faster than that. I have 16 gallons. Enough for me. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392372#392372 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:20 PM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Pietenpol-List: gas tank material Thanks for all the help on the gas tank material question. Bought a 1=99 X 4=99 sheet of 5052 X .040 and a sheet of .050 to practice welding on. The thicker .050 is much easier to weld than the thinner, just guessing, but I=99ll bet the .040 forms easier. Have read and seen photos of using pop rivets and using sealant on the R.S. Hoover site, but Bingelis discourages this although not sure why. Have read about using galvanized sheet and soldering the seams too, but not recently. I think Jim Markle used galvanized with sealer in his tank. Thanks Terry for the link to Bingelis tank site. Dennis ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:34 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Electrical Layout For those that understand electrical stuff please take a look at the attached sketch of my planned electrical system. I have not included the mags. Please share any flaws or concerns because this is an area I know very little about. Years ago I installed a cigarette lighter in my boat, it only worked when the spot light was on and I burned my nose testing it! Not sure on the ammeter hookup. Also would appreciate input for installing a voltmeter instead of the amp gauge. Thanks! Jack Jack Textor Des Moines, IA ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:56 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank material The original fuel tank on NX18235 was riveted and soldered galvanized steel. Looked very authentic but started leaking shortly after entering service. It was replaced with a TIG welded aluminum tank. No rivets, no solder, no sealants and most importantly, no worries. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Engelkenjohn To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: gas tank material Thanks for all the help on the gas tank material question. Bought a 1=99 X 4=99 sheet of 5052 X .040 and a sheet of .050 to practice welding on. The thicker .050 is much easier to weld than the thinner, just guessing, but I=99ll bet the .040 forms easier. Have read and seen photos of using pop rivets and using sealant on the R.S. Hoover site, but Bingelis discourages this although not sure why. Have read about using galvanized sheet and soldering the seams too, but not recently. I think Jim Markle used galvanized with sealer in his tank. Thanks Terry for the link to Bingelis tank site. Dennis ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:18 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gusset from Baltic birch Use=C2-=C2-your local supplier; I used marine 3mm for my gussets and it s more than strong enough. Jim B. My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka spruce had 2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. They are very ni ce looking but only 3 ply. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:05 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gusset from Baltic birch Again, don't use it if they can't verify that it's marine grade or a comparable weatherproof spec. As I said before "Baltic Birch" is most often made with glue suitable for interior applications only. It is mainly a decorative plywood, not meant to be structural. We had a guy here locally who did a restoration of an L-2. He used Baltic Birch for the floor & it delaminated in about 2 years. The plane was stored/ displayed in a museum hangar. Fortunately, being a steel-tube plane, there was no ramification besides the inconvenience of having to do a replacement. Kip Gardner On Jan 15, 2013, at 9:09 PM, Jim Boyer wrote: > Use your local supplier; I used marine 3mm for my gussets and its > more than strong enough. > Jim B. > > > My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka > spruce had 2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. > They are very nice looking but only 3 ply. > > > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:29 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco 1/2 lb per horsepower per hour is the standard for our engines, give or take a bit. Also that's on the horsepower actualy being produced at any given time. Clif I have a question. How come beer goes through you so fast? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:15 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco > > > Paul, > I'm going to go out on a limb here, and answer for Kevin (based on what he > just wrote). > 15 gallons gives 2.5 hours (plus 1/2 hour reserve) = 15 /3.0 = 5gph > 9.5 gallons gives 1.4 hours (plus 1/2 hour reserve) = 9.5/1.9 = 5 gph. > > I'd hazard a guess of about 5 gph. :) > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392364#392364 > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:02 PM PST US From: George Abernathy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical Layout Hi there Jack,=0A=0AThe transponder and encoder can run off the same breake r max 5 amps. The turn and bank plus gauges could be a 5 amp breaker. Check your turn and bank and I expect that it runs on about two amps. =0A=0AAh a generator. Looks like it is wired correctly. A shield over its output lead would be good also. =0A=0AShields are a thing known as a "faraday" shield. They usually work best grounded in only one place. The engine block is pro bably best. If current flows through them they tend to become ground loops. =0A=0ADon't forget to flash your field=0A=0AGeorge=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________ _______________________=0A From: Jack =0ATo: pietenpol-li st@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:56 AM=0ASubject: P ietenpol-List: Electrical Layout=0A =0A=0AElectrical Layout =0AFor thosetha tunderstandelectricalstuff please take a look at the attached sketch of my planned electrical system. I have not included the mags.Please share any fl aws or concernsbecause this is an area I know very little about. Years ago Iinstalledacigarettelighter in my boat, it only worked when the spot light was on and I burned my nose testing it!- Not sure on theammeterhookup. Al so would appreciate input for installing a voltmeter instead of the amp gau ge.=0AThanks!=0AJack=0A<<...>> =0AJack Textor=0ADes Moines, IA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.