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1. 02:53 AM - Re: Electrical Layout (George Abernathy)
2. 04:22 AM - Re: Re: gas tank material (Michael Perez)
3. 12:49 PM - Steel Parts (Harvey Plummer)
4. 01:11 PM - Re: Steel Parts (Jerry Dotson)
5. 01:32 PM - Re: Re: Steel Parts (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
6. 02:01 PM - Re: Electrical Layout (George Abernathy)
7. 02:30 PM - Re: Model A with carb heat box (BYD)
8. 02:31 PM - Re: Steel Parts (aerocarjake)
9. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: Steel Parts (airlion2@gmail.com)
10. 02:44 PM - Re: Steel Parts (Bill Church)
11. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: Steel Parts (Dave Millikan)
12. 07:58 PM - Re: Steel Parts (aerocarjake)
13. 09:27 PM - Re: Steel Parts (Greg Cardinal)
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Subject: | Re: Electrical Layout |
=0AHi Jack,=0A=0AA quick look at an old Cessna 150 manual might be in order
here. It probably has a similar generator setup.=0A=0AI binged and found t
his link =0A=0Awww.verticalpower.com/docs/Top_10_Wiring_Mistakes.pdf=0A=0A
=0AI=0A drew up a schematic for the generator circuit showing the location
of =0Athe charge discharge amp meter. Generators tend to be a little noisy
and=0A shielded wire is the best thing to shut it up. An easy place to grou
nd =0Athe shield is at the generator. Putting some "radio noise" caps on th
e =0Agenerator output terminal=C2- and the field terminal of the regulato
r may =C2-=0A help. =0A=0AI just noticed that I forgot the starter switch
on my diagram. No time to redraw it tonight. Sorry=0A=0AIf=0A you are usin
g a firewall grounding point is important not to forget the=0A ground Strap
to the engine. Alternators and=0A generators don't charge without it. But
the engine will start! The =0Acontrol cables metal primer and fuel lines wi
ll conduct enough current =0Ato start the engine. =0A=0AMake sure that you
use a continuous duty =0Abattery contactor. It should be hefty enough to co
nduct and interrupt =0Athe current from the starter contactor. =0A=0AWarnin
g story time:=0A=0AWhen=0A I was a line vermin in the worlds second largest
nuclear navy one of my=0A jobs was to observe while the 4360 engines were
started. One hot day =0Awe=0A started the right engine as normal and ran it
for its every four day =0Aallotted time. We shut it down after starting th
e left engine up. The =0Amechanic "Budzo" was looking at the left engine. I
heard a faint yell =0Afollowed by bodily harm threats from our squadron bo
xer. While putting =0Athe plugs in the Power recovery turbines the prop sta
rted to turn. Only =0Ahis reflexes prevented a TKO. =0A=0ATurned out that t
he starter contactor had engaged by itself! We moved=0A no switches. Turnin
g off the battery=C2- master switch stopped the prop. =0A=0AWe=0A put a s
ign on the aircraft doors and went to maintenance control to =0Araise a wor
k order. The avionics guys showed up to work on something and=0A plugged ou
r beat up old NC-5 power cart in. The prop spun. They arrived=0A =C2- bef
ore we could finish the paper work. =0A=0ALuckily the prop once again misse
d the cart cables and people. =0A=0AThe moral :=0A=0AProps=0A are dangerous
and even if the engine doesn't start a spinning prop is =0Areally upsettin
g. Thinking about what could go wrong is not a bad idea. =0A=0ABut wait the
re's more it slices and dices. =0A=0AGenerators=0A depend on the voltage re
gulator to disconnect them from the battery. If=0A the isolator contact in
the regulator sticks it will become a motor. =0AUnlike alternators they do
not have diodes. =0A=0AThe procedure on =0Amost aircraft ( warning this is
very old memory sludge) is to start the =0Aengines and then turn on=0A the
generators. Observing the charge discharge amp meter to make sure =0Athings
are good. The regulator grounds the field. If it is not grounded =0Athings
don't work right. =0A=0AGeorge=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________
_________=0A From: Jack <jack@textors.com>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.
com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:
25 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical Layout=0A =0A=0AGood ideas
George, thanks. My T&B says 13.75v and .8 A. Also for the voltmeter does it
connect between ground and bus bar with no fuse?=0AThanks for all the help
!=0A=0ASent from my iPad=0AJack Textor=0A=0AOn Jan 16, 2013, at 2:54 PM, Ge
orge Abernathy <avionixoz@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0A=0AHello Jack,=0A>=0A>The
wire sizes are ok. Larger is=C2- better for voltage drop. The main purpos
e of circuit breakers seems to be protecting the wire. Most aircraft radios
and instruments die pretty quietly. =0A>=0A>The wire for the trim could be
larger for ruggedness and=C2- for voltage drop. =0A>Motors pull a lot of
current on when they start. Usually about 6 times the running current. Tha
t does not mean the circuit breaker or fuse needs to be 6 times the running
current. Circuit breakers and fuses are made to support the higher current
during motor start.=C2-=C2- =0A>=0A>Wire tends to be sized to fit the
connectors on the various things. For instance the encoder will most likely
have a sub =0A>D connector.=C2- 22 and 24 gauge=C2- fit nicely in the
solder cups or crimp pins. The newer radios have high density sub D=0A conn
ectors and a 22 gauge is going to be difficult to fit. For power they somet
imes supply a special pin that will accept a larger wire. =0A>=0A>Power and
ground wires need to be big enough for voltage drop=C2- and still fit in
the connectors. The manufacturers of most aircraft stuff are pretty good a
t recommending the minimum wire sizes and circuit breaker requirements. One
place that can be problems is encoder power. The power switches in the old
er transponders weren't strong enough for the solid state encoders. They ha
d or may still have a heater in them to stabilize the altitude sensors. =0A
>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Jack <j
ack@textors.com>=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Wednesday, J
anuary 16, 2013 10:39 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Electrical Layout
=0A> =0A>=0A>Electrical Layout =0A>George thanks for the info! I googled
=0Aflashing the field and may leave that to someone that knows more about i
tAlso=0Awhen you mention smaller breakers, should the wire size be
reduced, I think=0ABengalis stated that relationship? =0A>=C2-=0A>Jack T
extor=0A>Des Moines, IA=0A>=C2-=0A>=0A>________________________________
=0A> =0A>From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-piete
npol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Abernathy=0A>Sent: Tues
day, January 15, 2013=0A9:29 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Subj
ect: Re: Pietenpol-List:=0AElectrical Layout=0A>=C2-=0A>Hi there=0AJack,
=0A>=0A>The transponder and encoder can run off the same breaker max 5 amps
. The turn=0Aand bank plus gauges could be a 5 amp breaker. Check your turn
and bank and I=0Aexpect that it runs on about two amps. =0A>=0A>Ah a gener
ator. Looks like it is wired correctly. A shield over its output lead=0Awou
ld be good also. =0A>=0A>Shields are a thing known as a "faraday" shield. T
hey usually work=0Abest grounded in only one place. The engine block is pro
bably best. If current=0Aflows through them they tend to become ground loop
s. =0A>=0A>Don't forget to flash your field=0A>=0A>George=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2
-=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> =0A>From:Jack=0A<jack@texto
rs.com>=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Wednesday, January 16
, 2013=0A11:56 AM=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List:=0AElectrical Layout=0A>=C2-
=0A>For=0Athosethatunderstandelectricalstuff please take a look=0Aat the at
tached sketch of my planned electrical system. I have not included the=0Ama
gs.Please share any flaws or concernsbecause this is an area=0AI know very
little about. Years ago Iinstalledacigarette=0Alighter in my boat, it only
worked when the spot light was on and I burned my=0Anose testing it!=C2-
Not sure on theammeter hookup. Also=0Awould appreciate input for installing
a voltmeter instead of the amp gauge.=0A>Thanks!=0A>Jack=0A><<...>> =0A>Ja
ck Textor=0A>Des Moines, IA=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>http://forums.matronics.com=0A>http:
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Subject: | Re: gas tank material |
Thank you Dennis, but I can't take credit for the welding itself. I fabricated
the tank, but decided to send it out for welding. My article in a past news letter
mentions whom did the welding. (I don't remember his name at the moment.)
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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I purchase a set of Pietenpol plans. I thought I would spend some winter days making
steel parts. I noticed that Aircraft Spruce has a Steel Kit for the Piet.
It includes .063", .090" and .125" thick 4130 sheets. When studying the plans
I see parts made of .030", .060", .075" and .090" thick material. Can all parts
be made using the ACS kit?
Thanks.
Harv
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Harv, 485PB
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Harv,
The control horns are made from 0.030. I just ordered what I needed....didn't
use the kit.
--------
Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
do not archive
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Ordering strip steel in 4130 is the easiest way to make most of the fittings and
I believe ACS sells
the various widths needed so you don't have to buy the sheets and have them sheared.
It is a little
more expensive that way but makes part making pretty easy. I wouldn't rely on
anything ACS says
is a 'kit' for anything but just go thru your plans carefully one night and note
down in a few columns
how many feet of the various widths and thicknesses you'll need and you'll come
up with a more accurate
accounting I believe of the metal needed to fabricate most of the Pietenpol fittings.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Electrical Layout |
Hi Jack,=0A=0AThis morning I realized that I didn't answer your question ab
out the volt meter. =0A=0A=0AIt should have a fuse or circuit breaker. The
buss bar and battery can supply more current than the voltmeter wires can t
ake. This applies to all electrical things. If big wires connect to small
=C2- wires, protect the small wires. =0A=0A=0AGeorge=0A=0A=0A=0A_________
_______________________=0A From: George Abernathy <avionixoz@yahoo.com>=0AT
o: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: T
hursday, January 17, 2013 9:50 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical
Layout=0A =0A=0AHi Jack,=0A=0AA quick look at an old Cessna 150 manual mig
ht be in order here. It probably has a similar generator setup.=0A=0AI bing
ed and found this link =0A=0Awww.verticalpower.com/docs/Top_10_Wiring_Mista
kes.pdf=0A=0A=0AI=0A drew up a schematic for the generator circuit showing
the location of =0Athe charge discharge amp meter. Generators tend to be a
little noisy and=0A shielded wire is the best thing to shut it up. An easy
place to ground =0Athe shield is at the generator. Putting some "radio nois
e" caps on the =0Agenerator output terminal=C2- and the field terminal of
the regulator may =C2-=0A help. =0A=0AI just noticed that I forgot the s
tarter switch on my diagram. No time to redraw it tonight. Sorry=0A=0AIf=0A
you are using a firewall grounding point is important not to forget the=0A
ground Strap to the engine. Alternators and=0A generators don't charge wit
hout it. But the engine will start! The =0Acontrol cables metal primer and
fuel lines will conduct enough current =0Ato start the engine. =0A=0AMake s
ure that you use a continuous duty =0Abattery contactor. It should be hefty
enough to conduct and interrupt =0Athe current from the starter contactor.
=0A=0AWarning story time:=0A=0AWhen=0A I was a line vermin in the worlds s
econd largest nuclear navy one of my=0A jobs was to observe while the 4360
engines were started. One hot day =0Awe=0A started the right engine as norm
al and ran it for its every four day =0Aallotted time. We shut it down afte
r starting the left engine up. The =0Amechanic "Budzo" was looking at the l
eft engine. I heard a faint yell =0Afollowed by bodily harm threats from ou
r squadron boxer. While putting =0Athe plugs in the Power recovery turbines
the prop started to turn. Only =0Ahis reflexes prevented a TKO. =0A=0ATurn
ed out that the starter contactor had engaged by itself! We moved=0A no swi
tches. Turning off the battery=C2- master switch stopped the prop. =0A=0A
We=0A put a sign on the aircraft doors and went to maintenance control to
=0Araise a work order. The avionics guys showed up to work on something and
=0A plugged our beat up old NC-5 power cart in. The prop spun. They arrived
=0A =C2- before we could finish the paper work. =0A=0ALuckily the prop on
ce again missed the cart cables and people. =0A=0AThe moral :=0A=0AProps=0A
are dangerous and even if the engine doesn't start a spinning prop is =0Ar
eally upsetting. Thinking about what could go wrong is not a bad idea. =0A
=0ABut wait there's more it slices and dices. =0A=0AGenerators=0A depend on
the voltage regulator to disconnect them from the battery. If=0A the isola
tor contact in the regulator sticks it will become a motor. =0AUnlike alter
nators they do not have diodes. =0A=0AThe procedure on =0Amost aircraft ( w
arning this is very old memory sludge) is to start the =0Aengines and then
turn on=0A the generators. Observing the charge discharge amp meter to make
sure =0Athings are good. The regulator grounds the field. If it is not gro
unded =0Athings don't work right. =0A=0AGeorge=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________
________________________=0A From: Jack <jack@textors.com>=0ATo: "pietenpol-
list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Thursday, Janua
ry 17, 2013 12:25 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical Layout=0A
=0A=0AGood ideas George, thanks. My T&B says 13.75v and .8 A. Also for the
voltmeter does it connect between ground and bus bar with no fuse?=0AThanks
for all the help!=0A=0ASent from my iPad=0AJack Textor=0A=0AOn Jan 16, 201
3, at 2:54 PM, George Abernathy <avionixoz@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0A=0AHello
Jack,=0A>=0A>The wire sizes are ok. Larger is=C2- better for voltage drop
. The main purpose of circuit breakers seems to be protecting the wire. Mos
t aircraft radios and instruments die pretty quietly. =0A>=0A>The wire for
the trim could be larger for ruggedness and=C2- for voltage drop. =0A>Mot
ors pull a lot of current on when they start. Usually about 6 times the run
ning current. That does not mean the circuit breaker or fuse needs to be 6
times the running current. Circuit breakers and fuses are made to support t
he higher current=0A during motor start.=C2-=C2- =0A>=0A>Wire tends to
be sized to fit the connectors on the various things. For instance the enco
der will most likely have a sub =0A>D connector.=C2- 22 and 24 gauge=C2
- fit nicely in the solder cups or crimp pins. The newer radios have high
density sub D=0A connectors and a 22 gauge is going to be difficult to fit
. For power they sometimes supply a special pin that will accept a larger w
ire. =0A>=0A>Power and ground wires need to be big enough for voltage drop
=C2- and still fit in the connectors. The manufacturers of most aircraft
stuff are pretty good at recommending the minimum wire sizes and circuit br
eaker requirements. One place that can be problems is encoder power. The po
wer switches in the older transponders weren't strong enough for the solid
state encoders. They had or may still have a heater in them to stabilize th
e altitude sensors. =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>___________________________
_____=0A> From: Jack <jack@textors.com>=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
=0A>Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:39 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-L
ist: Electrical Layout=0A> =0A>=0A>Electrical Layout =0A>George thanks for
the info! I googled=0Aflashing the field and may leave that to someone tha
t knows more about itAlso=0Awhen you mention smaller breakers, sho
uld the wire size be reduced, I think=0ABengalis stated that relationship?
=0A>=C2-=0A>Jack Textor=0A>Des Moines, IA=0A>=C2-=0A>=0A>______________
__________________=0A> =0A>From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [
mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Abern
athy=0A>Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013=0A9:29 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@mat
ronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:=0AElectrical Layout=0A>=C2-=0A
>Hi there=0AJack,=0A>=0A>The transponder and encoder can run off the same b
reaker max 5 amps. The turn=0Aand bank plus gauges could be a 5 amp breaker
. Check your turn and bank and I=0Aexpect that it runs on about two amps.
=0A>=0A>Ah a generator. Looks like it is wired correctly. A shield over its
output lead=0Awould be good also. =0A>=0A>Shields are a thing known as a "
faraday" shield. They usually work=0Abest grounded in only one place. The e
ngine block is probably best. If current=0Aflows through them they tend to
become ground loops. =0A>=0A>Don't forget to flash your field=0A>=0A>George
=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> =0A>From:J
ack=0A<jack@textors.com>=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Wedn
esday, January 16, 2013=0A11:56 AM=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List:=0AElectrical
Layout=0A>=C2-=0A>For=0Athosethatunderstandelectricalstuff please take a
look=0Aat the attached sketch of my planned electrical system. I have not
included the=0Amags.Please share any flaws or concernsbecause this is an ar
ea=0AI know very little about. Years ago Iinstalledacigarette=0Alighter in
my boat, it only worked when the spot light was on and I burned my=0Anose t
esting it!=C2- Not sure on theammeter hookup. Also=0Awould appreciate inp
ut for installing a voltmeter instead of the amp gauge.=0A>Thanks!=0A>Jack
=0A><<...>> =0A>Jack Textor=0A>Des Moines, IA=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-
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Subject: | Re: Model A with carb heat box |
Although I fabricated a carb-heat system for my Model-A engine, I have not operated
it at high RPM enough to answer your question. What I have experienced at
low to mid-range RPMs was slight to no RPM change. Ive been planning on using
a remote laser-thermometer to check temps at the muff, air duct and carburetor
throat to see what the temperature changes might be.
Gene I hadnt heard about the air filter restriction before and will have to play
with that also when I get back to the project. Thanks!
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Yes, the famous Pietenpol kit arrives as a big crate in your driveway..... The
crate is EMPTY so you make the airplane out of the crate itself....(ha!)
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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hi Jerry, my tail brace wires are steel and they are subject to rust, my friend
here says that there is a coating that gun makers use on steel to protect it.
Do you know about this? How is your flying machine. Doing? I have 4 hours on
Mine now and it flies great. gardiner
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 17, 2013, at 4:11 PM, "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net> wrote:
>
> Harv,
> The control horns are made from 0.030. I just ordered what I needed....didn't
use the kit.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
>
> First flight June 16,2012
> Started building July, 2009
> Lycoming O-235 C2C
> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392527#392527
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I believe ACS has a disclaimer at the bottom of their pages warning that the "kits"
are based on lists provided to them by others. Because the "kit" lists different
thicknesses than are found on the Pietenpol plans, I wonder if the list
might actually be based on the Grega GN-1 plans, which has different metalwork
than the Air Camper. I would recommend that you spend some time going through
your plans and do your own calculations of what you will need. And, as Mike
suggested, consider buying pre-sheared strips, unless you have access to a
metal shear.
In fact, I would recommend that you calculate your own list of materials for the
wood as well. For instance, the plywood kit lists more than 7 full sheets of
plywood; there simply isn't that much plywood in a Piet.
Finally, you may want to hold off on making all of the metal fittings ahead of
time. Some fittings will need to be made to suit the woodwork that you build.
Because these are plans-built wooden aircraft, no two will be exactly the same.
And slight differences in woodwork can and will result in certain metal parts
being required to be made to fit. The difference might only be something
like a hole location shifting 1/16" or even 1/32", but that variance can mean
the difference between a part that fits, and one that doesn't. Of course, most
builders end up making a lot of fittings more than once. Consider it to be
a part of the learning process.
Bill C.
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Bernie didn't have ACS..Try Lowes for sheet steel, cheaper, no shipping.
J-3s were built from 1020 steel. for years
-NX1QS.. Dave millikan..FLA
--- On Thu, 1/17/13, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Parts
>
I believe ACS has a disclaimer at the bottom of their pages warning that th
e "kits" are based on lists provided to them by others.- Because the "kit
" lists different thicknesses than are found on the Pietenpol plans, I wond
er if the list might actually be based on the Grega GN-1 plans, which has d
ifferent metalwork than the Air Camper.- I would recommend that you spend
some time going through your plans and do your own calculations of what yo
u will need.- And, as Mike suggested, consider buying pre-sheared strips,
unless you have access to a metal shear.
In fact, I would recommend that you calculate your own list of materials fo
r the wood as well.- For instance, the plywood kit lists more than 7 full
sheets of plywood; there simply isn't that much plywood in a Piet.
Finally, you may want to hold off on making all of the metal fittings ahead
of time.- Some fittings will need to be made to suit the woodwork that y
ou build.- Because these are plans-built wooden aircraft, no two will be
exactly the same.- And slight differences in woodwork can and will result
in certain metal parts being required to be made to fit.- The difference
might only be something like a hole location shifting 1/16" or even 1/32",
but that variance can mean the difference between a part that fits, and on
e that doesn't.- Of course, most builders end up making a lot of fittings
more than once.- Consider it to be a part of the learning process.
Bill C.
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Yes, the famous Pietenpol kit arrives as a big crate in your driveway..... The
crate is EMPTY so you make the airplane out of the crate itself....(ha!)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Listen to the wisdom of Mike Cuy and Bill Church.
Spend the time going through the plans and make up your own list. Also,
don't forget to go to www.westcoastpiet.com
where you will find a handy steel thickness gage-to-decimal conversion
chart.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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From: "Harvey Plummer" <plummerharvey@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 2:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steel Parts
> <plummerharvey@yahoo.com>
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> I purchase a set of Pietenpol plans. I thought I would spend some winter
> days making steel parts. I noticed that Aircraft Spruce has a Steel Kit
> for the Piet. It includes .063", .090" and .125" thick 4130 sheets. When
> studying the plans I see parts made of .030", .060", .075" and .090" thick
> material. Can all parts be made using the ACS kit?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Harv
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