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1. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: a hardware store steel rant... (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
2. 08:35 AM - Wanted - 6" Northrop Wheels (Mr. Craig)
3. 09:12 AM - Re: Beyond the FGM, an article on Model A's by Mr Pietenpol (Mr. Craig)
4. 09:41 AM - Re: Cross wind component (taildrags)
5. 09:56 AM - Re: Electrical Layout (dgaldrich)
6. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: Cross wind component (steve emo)
7. 11:54 AM - Re: Cross wind component (jarheadpilot82)
8. 12:15 PM - Steel Parts Again (Harvey Plummer)
9. 12:53 PM - Re: Steel Parts Again (Gary Boothe)
10. 03:08 PM - Re: Al Schaus Propeller for Model A Ford (dwilson)
11. 04:01 PM - Re: Steel Parts Again (echobravo4)
12. 05:59 PM - Continental A75 Piets (FandS_Piet)
13. 07:54 PM - Re: Re: Cross wind component (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
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| Subject: | Re: a hardware store steel rant... |
"We're all selectively compliant."
Reminds me of Historical Reenactors. Some will show up in new levis, Cowboy boots,and
a mobetta shirt and say they are reenacting being a cowboy on the trail.
Others will brag about having the right stitching on the button holes on their
drop seat long johns.
The best are somewhere in the middle.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a hardware store steel rant...
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> Hey Dave,
>
> You contradicted yourself by saying "follow the plans..." in that you're giving
structural advice there, which calls for 1020 steel
> like you mentioned, and you saw how well that went over! :)
>
> Don't sweat it, they get a little jumpy around here when you "don't
> follow the plans", well, except how THEY didn't... We're all
> selectively compliant.
>
> Not many steel fuselages out there and it seems you built your own,
> lots of guys here would love to know more about that, and they
> won't assume you're using Lowe's hardware for the motor mounts...
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> Tools
>
> PS Thanks for your service. Did you fly control line planes with
> Armstrong?
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392625#392625
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| Subject: | Wanted - 6" Northrop Wheels |
Looking for a pair of the old plane Jane 6" Northrop wheels Bernard Pietenpol sold
with his Pietenpol kits.
Same as what is on N13691
Thanks Craig
http://www.pacificflyer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Mn-45-1-Pietenpol.jpg
http://www.airport-data.com/images/aircraft/large/000/062/062118.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff81/Baldeagle27/PietShadeTree5.jpg
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A goal without a plan is nothing more than a wish. -- orion
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| Subject: | Re: Beyond the FGM, an article on Model A's by Mr Pietenpol |
I have that issue. Send me an email and I'll get you a copy of the last article.
Craig
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A goal without a plan is nothing more than a wish. -- orion
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| Subject: | Re: Cross wind component |
I've never had anything near a 25-30 MPH crosswind component while landing or taking
off in Scout, but I've had half that and my experience has been that you
will run out of rudder in anything much more than that.
Some of the folks on this list with a lot of hours in Piets will have much more
to say about it though. Then there's Raymond Hanover, who flies in the Texas
Panhandle, where their clothing dries horizontally on the clothesline. Maybe
he'll chime in.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Layout |
This is a plug for a fellow Matronics guru, Bob Nuckols, who runs the Aerolectric
forum. His book is almost the Tony Bingelis version of electrics and has exemplars
of many different schemes for aircraft wiring, from VFR super simple
to multi supply, multi battery full efis electron burners.
Do not archive
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Cross wind component |
I'm not advising it. but I know I've done 20kts + gusts to 30 --- ONCE.
Gusts make a huge difference as do local trees/building.
Less than 15kts I'd say is good after you have a few hundred landings.
starting out <3/4 windsock.
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I've never had anything near a 25-30 MPH crosswind component while landing
> or taking off in Scout, but I've had half that and my experience has been
> that you will run out of rudder in anything much more than that.
>
> Some of the folks on this list with a lot of hours in Piets will have much
> more to say about it though. Then there's Raymond Hanover, who flies in
> the Texas Panhandle, where their clothing dries horizontally on the
> clothesline. Maybe he'll chime in.
>
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392736#392736
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| Subject: | Re: Cross wind component |
Rod,
Has your chosen test pilot done much work in that area? I have done some Post Maintenance
test flying in my past life (Not the same as testing a Piet, but many
concepts are the same). My goal in testing was to keep the variables to a minimum,
so you are learning, testing, and checking one thing at a time. Too many
variables skews the results.
My suggestion is calm wind to slight wind day for those first test flights. It
makes it much easier to figure out if the airplane is rigged right when you are
having to fly or land in a crab. He shouldn't even be concerned as to what a
Piet is capable of at this point. I hope his question was general in nature and
not what he was going to try and do in the test phase.
My 1.5 cents
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Steel Parts Again |
Instead of using 1025 or 4130 steel, has anyone used aluminum? For example, instead
of welding .030" thick parts to make aileron horns, could one use .090" or
.125" thick aluminum, no welding?
Thanks for the input.
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Harv, 485PB
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| Subject: | Steel Parts Again |
Not sure how you would attach it to the spar, or to the x-member behind to
give the horn its leverage, just for starters. I'm sure you'll get flamed on
this one, so you better get your cast iron underwear on...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harvey
Plummer
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 12:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steel Parts Again
--> <plummerharvey@yahoo.com>
Instead of using 1025 or 4130 steel, has anyone used aluminum? For example,
instead of welding .030" thick parts to make aileron horns, could one use
.090" or .125" thick aluminum, no welding?
Thanks for the input.
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Harv, 485PB
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| Subject: | Re: Al Schaus Propeller for Model A Ford |
OK, in response to a couple of emails I should have stated that I think Vi gets
$ 70.00 for his hinges. Also, if he does not answer his phone leave a message.
He will get back to you if you leave him a number. Vi does not use a computer
so you have to get him on the phone. If he let's me know that the hinges
are sold, I will post same.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Steel Parts Again |
Are we sure cast iron would be the best choice?
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Continental A75 Piets |
I dont know of any piets that have an A75 besides Oscar. I was wondering what
prop we should install to pull our A75 so if anybody out there is running an A75
I would be curious to hear your input.
Thanks
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Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Cross wind component |
Recent discussion on a "Real" (read certified) airplane list came to the consensus
that a test flight should never include a passenger that is not involved in
the test flight.
Being involved means either being a safety pilot or doing something specific.
Safety pilots either look for other planes or makes sure the shiny side stays
up while the pilot looks at instruments, gauges, some airplane part (Aleron or
tailfeathers) or performs a specific maneuver. Also a mechainic or fellow pilot
can go along to help observe something.
Taking someone on a test flight, should not be done lightly. The last thing you
need in a plane being tested is to have to deal with someone doing something
"crazy" like grabbing the controls and freezing or undoing the seatbelt and standing
up to tell you there is a problem. More than likely they will simply be
a distraction.
Something to think about.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cross wind component
>
> Rod,
>
> Has your chosen test pilot done much work in that area? I have done some Post
Maintenance test flying in my past life (Not the same as testing a Piet,
> but many concepts are the same). My goal in testing was to keep the
> variables to a minimum, so you are learning, testing, and checking
> one thing at a time. Too many variables skews the results.
>
> My suggestion is calm wind to slight wind day for those first test
> flights. It makes it much easier to figure out if the airplane is
> rigged right when you are having to fly or land in a crab. He
> shouldn't even be concerned as to what a Piet is capable of at this
> point. I hope his question was general in nature and not what he
> was going to try and do in the test phase.
>
> My 1.5 cents
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392748#392748
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