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1. 11:03 AM - BRAKES QUESTION? (Chris Rusch)
2. 11:25 AM - brakes (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
3. 12:17 PM - Re: BRAKES QUESTION? (Jack Phillips)
4. 12:36 PM - Re: BRAKES QUESTION? (Rob Bach)
5. 01:51 PM - Re: BRAKES QUESTION? (nightmare)
6. 02:28 PM - Re: BRAKES QUESTION? (tools)
7. 03:35 PM - Re: brakes (Jerry Dotson)
8. 06:01 PM - Re: BRAKES QUESTION? (Dick N)
9. 06:35 PM - Re: Re: Cross wind component (Jack Phillips)
10. 06:45 PM - Re: BRAKES QUESTION? (Ken Bickers)
11. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: Cross wind component (shad bell)
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Subject: | BRAKES QUESTION? |
Hi everybody, looking for some input as to how often you guys use the brakes in
a pietenpol for steering? i am at that stage of making a decision which way to
go, and i am leaning toward having ONE brake lever on the stick just to lock
the brakes for run up and to stop if im going to crash into something on the
ground. Thoughts, pro and con please.
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NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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Chris--I rarely use my brakes for anything other than run up or for slowing down
when I'm taxiing around
other aircraft or near fuel pumps. I don't use my brakes when landing or taking
off as tailwheel steering
is sufficient for directional control in those operations. If you do need your
brakes on takeoff or landing
then things have gone awry. To answer your question: I never use my brakes to
steer.
Mike C.
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Subject: | BRAKES QUESTION? |
Chris,
I only use my brakes for steering when operating on the ground - never in
flight. Sorry - couldn't resist.
I use my brakes differentially any time I need to make a sharp turn and need
to break the tailwheel into full swivel. And once it is in full swivel, you
definitely need differential brakes or a lot of throttle, rudder and room to
get it locked into steerable mode again.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: BRAKES QUESTION?
Hi everybody, looking for some input as to how often you guys use the brakes
in a pietenpol for steering? i am at that stage of making a decision which
way to go, and i am leaning toward having ONE brake lever on the stick just
to lock the brakes for run up and to stop if im going to crash into
something on the ground. Thoughts, pro and con please.
--------
NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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Subject: | Re: BRAKES QUESTION? |
We have Cub brakes used only for run up. I have used them to stop a few times and
because they're so soft, you can mash on them all you want and not feel any
tendencies towards flipping.
We never turn into a tight spot as it's just easier to pick up the 25 lb tail and
place the plane where we want.
Rob
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 22, 2013, at 1:03 PM, "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com> wrote:
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> Hi everybody, looking for some input as to how often you guys use the brakes
in a pietenpol for steering? i am at that stage of making a decision which way
to go, and i am leaning toward having ONE brake lever on the stick just to lock
the brakes for run up and to stop if im going to crash into something on the
ground. Thoughts, pro and con please.
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> Wings covered and primed, one painted
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Subject: | Re: BRAKES QUESTION? |
Still building, but had a Cub , and gave tailwheel checkouts in a bunch of different
tailwheels. probably could get away with single brake system most of time,(
except for a BE-18) but boy, two brakes sure come in handy.
tight turns ; a must for full castering, but even with steerable. around fuel
farms, parking spots, if you plan on instructing anyone, two brakes will stop
that crazy student from turning into that taxi light, resale, crosswind taxi/takeoff/land,
and if you have ever gotten a flat and not noticed it till touchdown(
like i have) you sure would be liking two brakes. and most importantly,
one hand brake just isnt as cool. Just sayin
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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Subject: | Re: BRAKES QUESTION? |
I dunno, the handbrake on the stick is kinda cool!
That's all I've got, one actuator for both wheels, I've never found myself wanting
for more. It does have it's limitations, but in this genre, not really noticeable.
Not a lot of plumbing, easy to maintain, affordable, easy to install. I've got
no complaints.
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I use differential braking every time I turn around at the end of my runway. Without
it I would go out in the high grass. My runway is about 35 feet wide.
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Subject: | Re: BRAKES QUESTION? |
Chris
Check out the Harley Davidson Duo glide actuater. It will mount on the
stick and has plenty of braking power for operating both cylinders. I have
one of those the only problem I have tun into is I cut off the handle a bit
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: BRAKES QUESTION?
> <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
>
> Hi everybody, looking for some input as to how often you guys use the
> brakes in a pietenpol for steering? i am at that stage of making a
> decision which way to go, and i am leaning toward having ONE brake lever
> on the stick just to lock the brakes for run up and to stop if im going to
> crash into something on the ground. Thoughts, pro and con please.
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> Fully Assembled
> Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
> Wings covered and primed, one painted
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392888#392888
>
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Subject: | Re: Cross wind component |
I don't understand why you would say that, Oscar. I've had a few occasions
where I've flown my Pietenpol in 25 knot crosswinds or better. The trip to
Brodhead in 2010 comes to mind, when Randy Bush and I flew up together from
west Tennessee - he in his Corvair powered ship, and me in N502R, which I
was ferrying up to Brodhead for Ryan Mueller. We were making a stop at a
duster field in Pontiac, Illinois, and the winds were just howling straight
across the single runway. While it did induce a good case of
sphincter-clinch, it was no problem for either Randy or me.
I have never run out of rudder in a Pietenpol. It has the strongest rudder
of any plane I've ever flown. Run out of aileron? Yes. Run out of rudder?
I've never had it happen.
In general, I find landing in strong crosswinds easier than taxiing in them.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 12:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cross wind component
I've never had anything near a 25-30 MPH crosswind component while landing
or taking off in Scout, but I've had half that and my experience has been
that you will run out of rudder in anything much more than that.
Some of the folks on this list with a lot of hours in Piets will have much
more to say about it though. Then there's Raymond Hanover, who flies in the
Texas Panhandle, where their clothing dries horizontally on the clothesline.
Maybe he'll chime in.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: BRAKES QUESTION? |
Chris,
When I was at the point of installing brakes, I spent a fair amount of
time sitting in the cockpit trying to figure out whether to use toe
brakes or heel brakes and exactly where and how to mount them to be
most comfortable to me. To be sure, the thought process may have been
muddled by all the airplane noises I was making. I also thought about
mounting something on the stick.
In the end, I decided I liked the idea of a hand brake. I also liked
the idea of differential braking. And I couldn't figure out an
elegant way to mount two brake levers on the stick. So I built
something that I think will work just fine and meets the
keep-it-simple test.
I welded up a bracket onto which two mountain brake levers could be
mounted -- facing each other. I mounted the bracket under the right
hand side of the rear instrument panel. Attached to the levers are
bicycle cables that operate old-style band brakes. With one hand, I
can activate the left, the right, or both levers together. I've
attached a couple of photos. One is looking up from below at the
bottom of the instrument panel. The other is taken from the rear
seat. I haven't operated them yet under engine power. I have tried
them out with my son and my dad pulling me around on the taxiway. Of
course, two man power is a lot less than the power of a whole bunch of
horses.
Cheers, Ken
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
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> Chris
> Check out the Harley Davidson Duo glide actuater. It will mount on the
> stick and has plenty of braking power for operating both cylinders. I have
> one of those the only problem I have tun into is I cut off the handle a bit
> Dick N.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:03 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: BRAKES QUESTION?
>
>
>> <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
>>
>> Hi everybody, looking for some input as to how often you guys use the
>> brakes in a pietenpol for steering? i am at that stage of making a decision
>> which way to go, and i am leaning toward having ONE brake lever on the stick
>> just to lock the brakes for run up and to stop if im going to crash into
>> something on the ground. Thoughts, pro and con please.
>>
>> --------
>> NX321LR
>> Fully Assembled
>> Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
>> Wings covered and primed, one painted
>> Mitsubishi Powered
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392888#392888
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Subject: | Re: Cross wind component |
I agree Jack, as long as I land a little hot, and pin on a wheeler the rudd
er is more than enough.- If the landing gear were farther forward that mi
ght make the controlability go down a little.The real tough one is a GUSTY
cross wind.- I would rather land in a steady 25 knotter than a gusty 15 k
notter.- I think 25 on grass is ok, 25 on pavement will keep you busy.
-
Shad
--- On Tue, 1/22/13, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cross wind component
et>
I don't understand why you would say that, Oscar.- I've had a few occasio
ns
where I've flown my Pietenpol in 25 knot crosswinds or better.- The trip
to
Brodhead in 2010 comes to mind, when Randy Bush and I flew up together from
west Tennessee - he in his Corvair powered ship, and me in N502R, which I
was ferrying up to Brodhead for Ryan Mueller.- We were making a stop at a
duster field in Pontiac, Illinois, and the winds were just howling straight
across the single runway.- While it did induce a good case of
sphincter-clinch, it was no problem for either Randy or me.
I have never run out of rudder in a Pietenpol.- It has the strongest rudd
er
of any plane I've ever flown.- Run out of aileron?- Yes.- Run out of
rudder?
I've never had it happen.
In general, I find landing in strong crosswinds easier than taxiing in them
.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 12:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cross wind component
I've never had anything near a 25-30 MPH crosswind component while landing
or taking off in Scout, but I've had half that and my experience has been
that you will run out of rudder in anything much more than that.
Some of the folks on this list with a lot of hours in Piets will have much
more to say about it though.- Then there's Raymond Hanover, who flies in
the
Texas Panhandle, where their clothing dries horizontally on the clothesline
.
Maybe he'll chime in.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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