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1. 03:46 AM - Re: Avionics Placement (Jack)
2. 03:49 AM - Re: Avionics Placement (Jack)
3. 04:40 AM - Re: Avionics Placement (Jack Phillips)
4. 05:33 AM - Re: How do we increase safety? (jarheadpilot82)
5. 08:29 AM - Re: Avionics Placement (Robert Gow)
6. 09:10 AM - TRANSPONDER MOUNT (TGSTONE236@aol.com)
7. 09:51 AM - Re: TRANSPONDER MOUNT (TOM STINEMETZE)
8. 09:56 AM - Re: TRANSPONDER MOUNT (Ken Bickers)
9. 10:45 AM - Re: How do we increase safety? (Blue Sky)
10. 11:57 AM - Comparison test between Pietenpol airfoil and Riblett airfoil (Barnwell Regional Airport)
11. 12:30 PM - Re: Comparison test between Pietenpol airfoil and Riblett airfoi (AircamperN11MS)
12. 12:35 PM - Re: No Title (taildrags)
13. 12:48 PM - Re: TRANSPONDER MOUNT (TGSTONE236@aol.com)
14. 12:54 PM - Re: TRANSPONDER MOUNT (Gene Rambo)
15. 12:57 PM - Re: TRANSPONDER MOUNT (Ken Bickers)
16. 01:00 PM - Re: TRANSPONDER MOUNT (TOM STINEMETZE)
17. 01:10 PM - TRANSPONDER (Gerry Holland)
18. 01:11 PM - Re: Comparison test between Pietenpol airfoil and Riblett airfoil (Jack)
19. 01:30 PM - TRANSPONDER (TGSTONE236@aol.com)
20. 02:04 PM - a low spot in Tom's fuel line tubing (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
21. 02:29 PM - Re: a low spot in Tom's fuel line tubing (TOM STINEMETZE)
22. 02:35 PM - yes-- -Ted Stone's fuel tank (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
23. 02:40 PM - FUEL TANK (TGSTONE236@aol.com)
24. 02:57 PM - Pietenpol airfoil and Riblett airfoil (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
25. 03:12 PM - Re: Comparison test between Pietenpol airfoil and Riblett airfoil (Jim Boyer)
26. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: No Title (John Kuhfahl)
27. 06:18 PM - CENTER SECTION (TGSTONE236@aol.com)
28. 07:42 PM - Re: Comparison test between Pietenpol airfoil and Riblett airfoi (Bill Church)
29. 09:52 PM - Re: Comparison test between Pietenpol airfoil and Riblett airfoi (Mark Roberts)
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Subject: | Re: Avionics Placement |
Very good point!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Jan 24, 2013, at 11:23 PM, santiago morete <moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar> w
rote:
> Hi Jack, do you have enough room for your aileron balance cable?
> Beautiful work
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> Santiago
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Subject: | Re: Avionics Placement |
Thanks Jack, did you mount your antenna upside down? Also it was pointed out
by Santiago in a separate email to keep the spar clear for the aileron bala
nce cable...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Jan 24, 2013, at 8:15 PM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> No reason at all, Jack. That=99s what I did. I also put the transp
onder antenna inside the wing, just outboard of the centersection mounted on
a 6=9D diameter aluminum groundplane. Works just fine.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:55 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Avionics Placement
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> Good evening all,
>
> My transponder is mounted in the center section. Is there any reason to NO
T locate the encoder close by?
>
> Thanks!
>
> <<...>> <<...>>
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> Jack Textor
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> Des Moines, IA
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Subject: | Avionics Placement |
Hi Jack,
If by upside down you mean with the antenna below the groundplane, the
answer is yes. Here is a poor quality picture showing the antenna:
It seems to work well enough. The few times I've flown into Class C
(Raleigh, Roanoke) and the one time in Class B (Dulles), ATC has never
commented on getting a poor signal.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Avionics Placement
Thanks Jack, did you mount your antenna upside down? Also it was pointed out
by Santiago in a separate email to keep the spar clear for the aileron
balance cable...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Jan 24, 2013, at 8:15 PM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
No reason at all, Jack. That's what I did. I also put the transponder
antenna inside the wing, just outboard of the centersection mounted on a 6"
diameter aluminum groundplane. Works just fine.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Avionics Placement
Good evening all,
My transponder is mounted in the center section. Is there any reason to NOT
locate the encoder close by?
Thanks!
<<...>> <<...>>
Jack Textor
Des Moines, IA
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Subject: | Re: How do we increase safety? |
Bob,
I have been out flying and had not had a chance to respond to your post until now.
It was a great article and thanks for doing the leg work of researching the
records. You have done all of us a real service.
The NTSB may do things differently with the record keeping of experimental aircraft,
but it is hard to argue with a report of fuel shutoff valves in an unreachable
place, or passengers stepping on the rudder. I think all of your bullet
points are reasonable, and should be considered by all of us.
One bullet point I might add is this - when planning your build, always plan for
the worst. Had the guy that put the fuel shutoff in the cockpit thought that
way, he would have made sure he had access at all times to the valve, not just
at start up. In my build, how does that apply? Routing of fuel lines and the
construction of the fuel tank are big concerns for me. Making sure that if I
have an off field landing, or the gear collapses, the fuel lines are stout enough
to take the forces and making sure my tank and fuel system are not affected
by the deteriorating effects of ethanol. No, I do not plan to use ethanol fuel
in my airplane, but what if it is inadvertently introduced? I am planning for
the worst. Just one example.
Again, nice job, Bob.
P.S. Are there any areas of construction that weasel oil is beneficial? How about
weasel varnish? [Laughing]
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Avionics Placement |
Just be careful to insure the static port is routed somewhere where the
pressure is subject to local affects. Vented to the cockpit is best I
imagine.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: January 24, 2013 7:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Avionics Placement
Good evening all,
My transponder is mounted in the center section. Is there any reason to
NOT locate the encoder close by?
Thanks!
<<...>> <<...>>
Jack Textor
Des Moines, IA
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Subject: | TRANSPONDER MOUNT |
EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING THINGS. MY TRANSPONDER MOUNTING. I
HAVE AN ALUMINUM COVER OVER MY FUEL TANK AND THE KT76 ANTENNA IS MOUNTED TO
IT
TED STONE
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Subject: | Re: TRANSPONDER MOUNT |
I hate to mention this Ted, but unless you are dyslexic in the vertical dimension,
you are going to have problems reading the dials on that thing. 8^]
Stinemetze
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>>> <TGSTONE236@aol.com> 1/25/2013 11:10 AM >>>
EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING THINGS. MY TRANSPONDER MOUNTING. I HAVE AN
ALUMINUM COVER OVER MY FUEL TANK AND THE KT76 ANTENNA IS MOUNTED TO IT
TED STONE
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Subject: | Re: TRANSPONDER MOUNT |
should be fine if he's flying inverted
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
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> I hate to mention this Ted, but unless you are dyslexic in the vertical dimension,
you are going to have problems reading the dials on that thing. 8^]
>
> Stinemetze
> do not archive
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>>>> <TGSTONE236@aol.com> 1/25/2013 11:10 AM >>>
>
> EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING THINGS. MY TRANSPONDER MOUNTING. I HAVE
AN ALUMINUM COVER OVER MY FUEL TANK AND THE KT76 ANTENNA IS MOUNTED TO IT
>
>
> TED STONE
>
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Subject: | Re: How do we increase safety? |
My plan for the "worst case" is to tape a Bic lighter to the instrument panel in
case the cockpit is soaked in fuel but hasn't ignited.
Lyle
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My passion for the landscape has lead me to the sky.
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Subject: | Comparison test between Pietenpol airfoil and Riblett |
airfoil
Fellow Pietenpoler's,
For some time, Don Harper and I had planned to write up the results of a
"head to head" test comparing the Pietenpol airfoil to the Riblett
airfoil. To the best of our knowledge, no one else has conducted the
same type testing.
The write up is self explanatory as to our methods.
Remember, testing is ongoing and will continue. The various numbers you
see now very likely will change as we do further testing. Updated
results will be posted when we have something worthwhile to add..
Our intend, is to share the information with the Piet community, not to
start an argument.
thank you,
P. F. Beck
Don Harper
Barnwell, S. C.
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Subject: | Re: Comparison test between Pietenpol airfoil and Riblett |
airfoi
Very cool stuff. Just the way I would do it. Keep up the good work and have fun
doing it. Great info.
Thank you,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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John: you're kidding, right? You're not going to sell the Piet that you're just
about ready to fly??!!
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: TRANSPONDER MOUNT |
THE CENTER SECTION IS ON SAW HORSES UP SIDE DOWN AS YOU CAN SEE THE CABINE
ATTACH BRACKETS THERE ALSO. ON THE TRANSPONDERS THE CONTROL KNOB IS ON THE
LEFT HAND SIDE.IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY YOU WILL REALIZE THAT I AM CORRECT.
NO I WON'T ANY TROUBLE READING THE UNIT. I'LL POST PIC TURES LATER SHOWING
RIGHT SIDE UP.
TED
In a message dated 1/25/2013 12:51:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
TOMS@mcpcity.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
I hate to mention this Ted, but unless you are dyslexic in the vertical
dimension, you are going to have problems reading the dials on that thing.
8^]
Stinemetze
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>>> <TGSTONE236@aol.com> 1/25/2013 11:10 AM >>>
EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING THINGS. MY TRANSPONDER MOUNTING. I
HAVE AN ALUMINUM COVER OVER MY FUEL TANK AND THE KT76 ANTENNA IS MOUNTED TO
IT
TED STONE
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Subject: | Re: TRANSPONDER MOUNT |
Lighten up, Francis...he was kidding!
Gene
On Jan 25, 2013, at 3:48 PM, TGSTONE236@aol.com wrote:
> THE CENTER SECTION IS ON SAW HORSES UP SIDE DOWN AS YOU CAN SEE THE CABINE
ATTACH BRACKETS THERE ALSO. ON THE TRANSPONDERS THE CONTROL KNOB IS ON THE L
EFT HAND SIDE.IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY YOU WILL REALIZE THAT I AM CORRECT.
>
> NO I WON'T ANY TROUBLE READING THE UNIT. I'LL POST PIC TURES LATER SHOWING
RIGHT SIDE UP.
>
> TED
>
> In a message dated 1/25/2013 12:51:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, TOMS@mcp
city.com writes:
>
> I hate to mention this Ted, but unless you are dyslexic in the vertical di
mension, you are going to have problems reading the dials on that thing. 8^
]
>
> Stinemetze
> do not archive
>
> >>> <TGSTONE236@aol.com> 1/25/2013 11:10 AM >>>
>
> EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING THINGS. MY TRANSPONDER MOUNTING. I H
AVE AN ALUMINUM COVER OVER MY FUEL TANK AND THE KT76 ANTENNA IS MOUNTED TO I
T
>
>
> TED se the ies ay - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Co
ntribution Web Site p;
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Subject: | Re: TRANSPONDER MOUNT |
Ted, put the caplock down and step away from the keyboard. Good
natured ribbing isn't just for wings. Its part of what makes this
list fun. Insert smiley face here. Ken
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 1:48 PM, <TGSTONE236@aol.com> wrote:
> THE CENTER SECTION IS ON SAW HORSES UP SIDE DOWN AS YOU CAN SEE THE CABINE
> ATTACH BRACKETS THERE ALSO. ON THE TRANSPONDERS THE CONTROL KNOB IS ON THE
> LEFT HAND SIDE.IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY YOU WILL REALIZE THAT I AM CORRECT.
>
> NO I WON'T ANY TROUBLE READING THE UNIT. I'LL POST PIC TURES LATER SHOWING
> RIGHT SIDE UP.
>
> TED
>
> In a message dated 1/25/2013 12:51:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> TOMS@mcpcity.com writes:
>
>
> I hate to mention this Ted, but unless you are dyslexic in the vertical
> dimension, you are going to have problems reading the dials on that thing.
> 8^]
>
> Stinemetze
> do not archive
>
>>>> <TGSTONE236@aol.com> 1/25/2013 11:10 AM >>>
>
> EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING THINGS. MY TRANSPONDER MOUNTING. I
> HAVE AN ALUMINUM COVER OVER MY FUEL TANK AND THE KT76 ANTENNA IS MOUNTED TO
> IT
>
>
> TED se the ies ay - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List
> Contribution Web Site p;
>
>
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Subject: | Re: TRANSPONDER MOUNT |
Ted:
You are right, of course - the transponder is upside down which makes it right
side up. But where is the fun in that?
I am curious, though, if you were able to pick up a used transponder and encoder
for a not too ridiculous price? I have followed a few on eBay and wondered
if I was going to have to hock my motorcycle or my wife to purchase one.
Stinemetze
N328X
>>> <TGSTONE236@aol.com> 1/25/2013 2:48 PM >>>
THE CENTER SECTION IS ON SAW HORSES UP SIDE DOWN AS YOU CAN SEE THE CABINE ATTACH
BRACKETS THERE ALSO. ON THE TRANSPONDERS THE CONTROL KNOB IS ON THE LEFT HAND
SIDE.IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY YOU WILL REALIZE THAT I AM CORRECT.
NO I WON'T ANY TROUBLE READING THE UNIT. I'LL POST PIC TURES LATER SHOWING RIGHT
SIDE UP.
TED
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Tom
A really neat Unit is from TRIG. The encoder is built in, it's low current drainage,
small and lightweight. It's also Mode S.
Take a look. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/trigtt21.php?clickkey=9973
Regards
Gerry
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Subject: | Re: Comparison test between Pietenpol airfoil and Riblett |
airfoil
Beautiful ships!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Jan 25, 2013, at 1:56 PM, "Barnwell Regional Airport" <barnwellairport@be
llsouth.net> wrote:
> Fellow Pietenpoler's,
>
> For some time, Don Harper and I had planned to write up the results of a "
head to head" test comparing the Pietenpol airfoil to the Riblett airfoil. T
o the best of our knowledge, no one else has conducted the same type testing
.
>
> The write up is self explanatory as to our methods.
>
> Remember, testing is ongoing and will continue. The various numbers you s
ee now very likely will change as we do further testing. Updated results wi
ll be posted when we have something worthwhile to add..
>
> Our intend, is to share the information with the Piet community, not to st
art an argument.
>
> thank you,
>
> P. F. Beck
> Don Harper
> Barnwell, S. C.
> <Comparission test Riblett vs. Piet rib.pdf>
> <Don's Panel (Small).JPG>
> <P. F.'s panel (Small).JPG>
> <IMG_1093 (Small).JPG>
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KEN,
THE REASON I LEAVE THE CAP LOCK DOWN IS I HUNT AHD PECK TYPING MAKING IT
EASIER FOR ME SOME OF US OLD(75) FOLKS NEVER TOOK TYPING OR KEYBOARD IF THAT
IS POLITICALLY CORRECT.
TOM,
I HAD THIS KT76 FOR YEARS IN MY BEECH A-23.AN A&P BUDDY AND I WENT THROUGH
MY PLANE YEARS AGO FROM A TO Z. THE KT 76 WOULD NOT TRANSMIT. I ORDERED A
GARMIN 320 FOR IT.WHEN STARTED TO CONVERT WE FOUND THE ANTENNA UNPLUGED. NOT
WANTING THE WIFE TO KNOW, WE INSTALLED THE NEW UNIT AND KEPT QUIET ABOUT
IT.THAT IS MY REASON FOR THE KT 76.IT IS BEST SOMETIMES WHAQT GOES ON IN THE
HANGER STAYS IN THE HANGER.
TED
BUILDING CORVAIR POWERED WITH DAN'S 5TH BEARING
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Subject: | a low spot in Tom's fuel line tubing |
Tom,
Great progress you're making and sorry you live in an area where you need a
transponder but looks like you've done
a nice installation.
On another note it appears you've built a low spot into your tubing coming
out of your fuel line. From what I remember
in the Tony Bingelis books, fuel lines should all angle downhill (like gutt
ers) until they hit the gascolator at the low point
and then you can route the line up to the carb.
Glad you are on the list and even better that at 75 year old guy is using e
-mail. Way to go.
Mike C.
Numquam Volavit in Classe
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Subject: | Re: a low spot in Tom's fuel line tubing |
Mike:
I believe the fuel tank you are referring to belongs to Ted Stone.
Mine is currently sitting up there without any valves or hoses attached.
I am still planning how they will be routed down to the header tank
which one of my sons is building for me. As for the transponder, I
could probably fly for a long time and never need one here in Kansas.
However, I have plans to one day fly out to the Mojave desert area past
or through a lot of MOA's and it would be nice to have flight following
working for me.
I type for a living (which explains why I have back problems.) I have
no problem with folks willing to use them 'dang new fangled 'puters.
Even if they have to type all caps. I did not take it as shouting as it
would be interpreted in the texting world.
By the way, Mike. What is the meaning of: Numquam Volayit in Classe?
Stinemetze
N328X
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>>> "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> 1/25/2013 4:03 PM >>>
Tom,
Great progress youre making and sorry you live in an area where you
need a transponder but looks like youve done
a nice installation.
On another note it appears youve built a low spot into your tubing
coming out of your fuel line. From what I remember
in the Tony Bingelis books, fuel lines should all angle downhill (like
gutters) until they hit the gascolator at the low point
and then you can route the line up to the carb.
Glad you are on the list and even better that at 75 year old guy is
using e-mail. Way to go.
Mike C.
Numquam Volavit in Classe
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Subject: | yes-- -Ted Stone's fuel tank |
Right on that one Tom S.----- I meant that note to be about Ted Stone's fuel tank.
Good catch.
Mike C.
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THANKS FOR THE APPROVAL GUYS.
I ALSO DON'T MIND CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, THAT ALWAYS GIVES ME A CHANCE TO
MAKE IT RIGHT.
TED STONE
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Subject: | Pietenpol airfoil and Riblett airfoil |
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Subject: | Re: Comparison test between Pietenpol airfoil and Riblett |
airfoil
HI P.F.
Thanks for the information; it was interesting and will be looking for more in
the future.
Jim B.
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Life got in the way
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 2:35 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> John: you're kidding, right? You're not going to sell the Piet that
> you're just about ready to fly??!!
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393045#393045
>
>
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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CENTER SECTION RIGHT SIDE UP SHOWING KT76 IN CORRECT POSITION
CENTER SECTION SHOWING TANK COVER WITH TRANSPONDER ANTENNA MOUNTED
TED STONE
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Subject: | Re: Comparison test between Pietenpol airfoil and Riblett |
airfoi
PF and Don,
Excellent work. Thanks for sharing.
This is exactly the type of comparison that has been needed to provide some clear,
unbiased information. The fact that the two aircraft are so similar is key.
The only thing that I can see skewing the results is that the Riblett wing
appears to be red. :)
Looking forward to seeing the next phase of results, as Don's plane gets "broken
in".
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Comparison test between Pietenpol airfoil and Riblett |
airfoi
And we all know that red makes cars and planes fly faster. So that might account
for the rpm difference between the two planes :)
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