---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/30/13: 48 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:25 AM - Engine Mount (Jack) 2. 05:08 AM - Re: Engine Mount (tkreiner) 3. 05:11 AM - Re: Engine Mount (John Franklin) 4. 05:27 AM - Re: February EAA issue- 1st flight article and Dick N's Piet on (AircamperN11MS) 5. 05:30 AM - Re: Re: Engine Mount (Jack) 6. 05:38 AM - Re: Engine Mount (Jack) 7. 05:45 AM - Re: Re: Engine Mount (Jack) 8. 06:12 AM - Re: Engine Mount (tkreiner) 9. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: February EAA issue- 1st flight article and Dick N's Piet on (Windstream Mail) 10. 06:57 AM - EAA/AOPA (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 11. 07:36 AM - Re: Engine Mount (JerryGrogan) 12. 07:50 AM - Re: February EAA issue- 1st flight article and Dick N's Piet on (Baldeagle) 13. 07:55 AM - Re: EAA/AOPA (Baldeagle) 14. 08:24 AM - EAA membership mailings (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 15. 08:41 AM - Re: Engine Mount (Ben Charvet) 16. 09:31 AM - Re: Engine Mount (Jack) 17. 09:32 AM - Re: Engine Mount (Jack) 18. 09:38 AM - Re: Pitot Tube Bend (Jack) 19. 09:51 AM - Re: Engine Mount (C N Campbell) 20. 10:04 AM - Re: Engine Mount (John Franklin) 21. 10:17 AM - Re: EAA/AOPA (Dick N) 22. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: February EAA issue- 1st flight article and Dick N's Piet on (helspersew@aol.com) 23. 10:31 AM - Re: Pitot Tube Bend (Michael Perez) 24. 10:44 AM - Re: EAA membership mailings (Barry Davis) 25. 11:04 AM - EAA Lifetime Membership costs $995 (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 26. 11:52 AM - Re: Pitot Tube Bend (Gary Boothe) 27. 11:55 AM - Re: Engine Mount (Gary Boothe) 28. 12:05 PM - Re: Pitot Tube Bend (Ken Bickers) 29. 12:17 PM - Re: Pitot Tube Bend (Gary Boothe) 30. 12:20 PM - Re: Pitot Tube Bend (Kip and Beth Gardner) 31. 12:22 PM - Re: Pitot Tube Bend (Gary Boothe) 32. 12:53 PM - Re: Engine Mount (dwilson) 33. 01:31 PM - Re: Engine Mount (C N Campbell) 34. 01:38 PM - Re: Engine Mount (C N Campbell) 35. 01:48 PM - Re: Pitot Tube Bend (C N Campbell) 36. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: February EAA issue- 1st flight article and Dick N's Piet on (C N Campbell) 37. 01:52 PM - Re: EAA membership mailings (C N Campbell) 38. 01:58 PM - Re: February EAA issue- 1st flight article and Dick N's Piet on (Jerry Dotson) 39. 01:59 PM - Re: Engine Mount (Gary Boothe) 40. 02:14 PM - Re: Engine Mount (Jack) 41. 02:19 PM - Re: EAA membership mailings (Jack) 42. 02:37 PM - Re: EAA/AOPA (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 43. 02:45 PM - Re: Pitot Tube Bend (Jerry Dotson) 44. 04:46 PM - Re: EAA/AOPA (Wayne Bressler) 45. 05:40 PM - Re: EAA/AOPA (Jack) 46. 06:22 PM - Re: Engine Mount (JerryGrogan) 47. 06:27 PM - Re: Pitot Tube Bend (skellytown flyer) 48. 07:50 PM - Wedgie (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:28 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount I'm finding the motor mount to be a challenge for sure. I checked out a lot of pictures for help so here are some to assist others challenged... Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Mount From: "tkreiner" Jack, Nice work, as with most of your posts. >From what I see, it appears the frame is a weldment, which doesn't come apart... How will you remove your completed engine mount? Will it slide out? Please keep more pics coming. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393264#393264 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:34 AM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount >I'm finding the motor mount to be a challenge for sure. I checked out a lot >of pictures for help so here are some to assist others challenged... >Jack >DSM Jack, I too am struggling with my engine mount. I started out with a jig and tack welded the first set of tubes. I started having trouble with the bigger cluster welds because I couldn't get enough heat on them. So, I removed the mount from the jig to weld them, thinking the jig was sinking away too much heat. When I tried to put it back on the jig, it didn't want to fit. After consulting with another builder, I "coerced" the mount back on the jig with a rubber mallet and now am planning on re-heating the clusters to relieve the stress. I hope this works. I have one remaining tube to weld onto the mount and I am definitely going to leave it on the jig when I do that. Regards, John F. Prairie Aire 4TA0 GN-1 / Corvair 164CID ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: February EAA issue- 1st flight article and Dick N's Piet on From: "AircamperN11MS" Hello Oscar, I too don't like what EAA national has been up to. I do however like what most of the local EAA chapters are doing. I have been a tech counselor for close to 20 years now. I do like doing that and I think that if we didn't self police, the accident statistics would reflect that. It is the main reason I am still a member. I also learn a lot with every airplane visit I make. In fact, I probably learn more than the builder does. I usually only spend about ten minutes skimming through the magazine. Nothing very good in there for the last few years. Yes Oscar I agree with you and wouldn't bee a member except the Tech Counselor part. Just my 3 cents, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393266#393266 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Mount From: Jack Tom excellent observation, I had not given it any thought! Duh...if it doesn't slide out I will cut the uprights carefully so I can pass the jig on... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 30, 2013, at 7:08 AM, "tkreiner" wrote: > > Jack, > > Nice work, as with most of your posts. > >> From what I see, it appears the frame is a weldment, which doesn't come apart... How will you remove your completed engine mount? Will it slide out? > > Please keep more pics coming. > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393264#393264 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount From: Jack John I'm planning that it will need some tweaking to fit the mounts. Even with a jig my gear moved about a half inch. Instead of forcing the gear I plugged the existing holes and moved the gear mount on the fuselage to match. Should have not drilled the front mount holes... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 30, 2013, at 7:11 AM, John Franklin wrote: > >> I'm finding the motor mount to be a challenge for sure. I checked out a lot >> of pictures for help so here are some to assist others challenged... >> Jack >> DSM > > Jack, > > I too am struggling with my engine mount. I started out with a jig and tack welded the first set of tubes. I started having trouble with the bigger cluster welds because I couldn't get enough heat on them. So, I removed the mount from the jig to weld them, thinking the jig was sinking away too much heat. When I tried to put it back on the jig, it didn't want to fit. After consulting with another builder, I "coerced" the mount back on the jig with a rubber mallet and now am planning on re-heating the clusters to relieve the stress. I hope this works. I have one remaining tube to weld onto the mount and I am definitely going to leave it on the jig when I do that. > > Regards, > John F. > Prairie Aire 4TA0 > GN-1 / Corvair 164CID > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Mount From: Jack Tom as I look closer I should be ok sliding it up. I will have to remember to weld the bottom x braces out of the jig...thanks for the heads up! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 30, 2013, at 7:08 AM, "tkreiner" wrote: > > Jack, > > Nice work, as with most of your posts. > >> From what I see, it appears the frame is a weldment, which doesn't come apart... How will you remove your completed engine mount? Will it slide out? > > Please keep more pics coming. > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393264#393264 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Mount From: "tkreiner" Jack, If I were modifying this jig, I'd get 4 plates which would be bolted to the uprights, matched drilled for AN5 bolts, maybe 3 to 4 inches apart prior to cutting the uprights. If the plates are suitably stamped or marked as to UP, or some way to identify where they go, the frame can then be bolted together, unbolted, etc., to remove the completed frames. My two cents worth... -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393270#393270 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:40 AM PST US From: "Windstream Mail" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: February EAA issue- 1st flight article and Dick N's Piet on Likewise, Oscar! I did the same thing. If you don't crave WW2 airplanes you're really not a part of EAA. I had enough of WW2 airplanes in WW2. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: February EAA issue- 1st flight article and Dick N's Piet on > > Mikee, you're testing my resolve. I walked away from EAA as of last > December, after 30 years as a member (no. 237232) because they walked away > from experimental aviation and walked away from me. I guess I'll just > have to accept the fact that I'll miss the occasional good parts that EAA > still offers. > > I'm hanging onto my AOPA membership for now... no. 455536, member since > 1971. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393258#393258 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:05 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA/AOPA Funny Oscar--I never joined AOPA but have always kept my membership with EAA despite the corporatization of the organization. It isn't like the 'old days' but it still is the best thing we have going. If I kept all the hundreds and hundreds of mailings that AOPA has sent me over the years trying to get me to join (they started when I became a pilot in 1981) I could have heated my house for an entire year using a woodburner. I'm sure they have some good points but..... Mike C. PS--you aren't missing much. You've seen all the great photos of Dick N.'s Pietenpol and the first flight article can pretty much be found anywhere Googling it. I'm sure my Uncle Tony talks about first flights. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:14 AM PST US From: "JerryGrogan" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount Looks very nice. Better than most I have seen. Jerry Prairie City, IA -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 5:24 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount I'm finding the motor mount to be a challenge for sure. I checked out a lot of pictures for help so here are some to assist others challenged... Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: February EAA issue- 1st flight article and Dick N's Piet on From: "Baldeagle" I was in Oshkosh over the weekend to give a talk at the EAA museum (met Doc Mosher there), and a number of people involved with EAA told me that the organisation is heading in a greatly improved direction now that they forced out Rod Hightower. Hopefully we'll see some results. I'm a member of both AOPA and EAA, both have their positives and negatives. - -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393275#393275 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: EAA/AOPA From: "Baldeagle" Agreed on the mailings, although EAA does it too. My EAA renewal is in March and they start sending renewal notices months early, I think my first one came before Christmas- - -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393276#393276 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:27 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA membership mailings I totally agree with Andrew King that the EAA membership renewal notices start arriving in our mailboxes WAY too early and way too frequently. I passive-aggressively deal with this by calling them on the very last day of my annual membership and paying for my new membership over the phone with my Visa card. Funny how EAA won't even give you a postage-paid return envelope for your membership renewal. It says "Place stamp here." Great to hear things are looking up at EAA since Rod Warbird Hightower is gone. I wonder who will pay the fuel he burns in his Stearman and T-6 now? Mike C. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:35 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount On 1/30/2013 6:23 AM, Jack wrote: > > I'm finding the motor mount to be a challenge for sure. I checked out a lot > of pictures for help so here are some to assist others challenged... > Jack > DSM Thats really a nice jig. Mine was made out of plywood and steel, and it would keep catching fire. To let the weld properly cool, I'd have to blow out the flames. -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount From: Jack If this catches fire were in trouble! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Ben Charvet wrote: > > On 1/30/2013 6:23 AM, Jack wrote: >> I'm finding the motor mount to be a challenge for sure. I checked out a lot >> of pictures for help so here are some to assist others challenged... >> Jack >> DSM > Thats really a nice jig. Mine was made out of plywood and steel, and it would keep catching fire. To let the weld properly cool, I'd have to blow out the flames. > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount From: Jack Just want to make it the best possible for your expert welding! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 30, 2013, at 9:34 AM, "JerryGrogan" wrote: > > Looks very nice. Better than most I have seen. > > Jerry > Prairie City, IA > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 5:24 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount > > > I'm finding the motor mount to be a challenge for sure. I checked out a lot > of pictures for help so here are some to assist others challenged... > Jack > DSM > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pitot Tube Bend From: Jack Michael I wondered the same, hope to see some thoughts... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 28, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > > Before installing the pitot tube to the wing, I am wondering if it would b e worth bending the tube first. I have seen them both straight and bent and a m curious if a bend would allow water to settle in on the bottom and allow " dry" air to flow into the indicator. (if getting cought in rain in flight) P erhaps in flight, the water will just get pushed in anyway. Anyone have iss ues with the straight tube pitots and water? > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:24 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount Ben, I am getting ready to build my engine mount for the Corvair engine. I was going to build the jig out of 3/4 plywood with a thin sheet of galvanized steel covering the wood where the welding was to be done. Would this keep the flames down? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Charvet" Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount > > On 1/30/2013 6:23 AM, Jack wrote: >> I'm finding the motor mount to be a challenge for sure. I >> checked out a lot >> of pictures for help so here are some to assist others challenged... >> Jack >> DSM > Thats really a nice jig. Mine was made out of plywood and steel, and it > would keep catching fire. To let the weld properly cool, I'd have to blow > out the flames. > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:41 AM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount > >Ben, I am getting ready to build my engine mount for the Corvair engine. I >was going to build the jig out of 3/4 plywood with a thin sheet of >galvanized steel covering the wood where the welding was to be done. Would >this keep the flames down? Chuck Chuck, I started out with a 3/4" jig with 1/16th steel sheeting to act as a flame guard. The problem was that the bolts got so hot that they charred the plywood and started to waller out the mounting holes. I ended up drilling holes in my all-metal welding table and using it for a jig. John F. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:59 AM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA/AOPA Hey Guys Have either of you looked at the Antique Airplane Assn instead. They publish a nice but small newsletter and hav a very nice fly in after Brodhead. They have more antique airplanes and you dont need any stinking radios to go in there. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 8:56 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA/AOPA Partners, LLC]" Funny Oscar--I never joined AOPA but have always kept my membership with EAA despite the corporatization of the organization. It isn't like the 'old days' but it still is the best thing we have going. If I kept all the hundreds and hundreds of mailings that AOPA has sent me over the years trying to get me to join (they started when I became a pilot in 1981) I could have heated my house for an entire year using a woodburner. I'm sure they have some good points but..... Mike C. PS--you aren't missing much. You've seen all the great photos of Dick N.'s Pietenpol and the first flight article can pretty much be found anywhere Googling it. I'm sure my Uncle Tony talks about first flights. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: February EAA issue- 1st flight article and Dick N's Piet on From: helspersew@aol.com In my humble opinion we all need to support these types of organizations if only for their advocacy people in Washington. Those clowns would take our flying freedoms away from us so fast (in the name of safety) it would make all of our heads spin. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Baldeagle Sent: Wed, Jan 30, 2013 9:50 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: February EAA issue- 1st flight article and Dic k N's Piet on t> I was in Oshkosh over the weekend to give a talk at the EAA museum (met Doc Mosher there), and a number of people involved with EAA told me that the organisation is heading in a greatly improved direction now that they force d out Rod Hightower. Hopefully we'll see some results. I'm a member of both AOP A and EAA, both have their positives and negatives. - -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393275#393275 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:04 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pitot Tube Bend I received a direct reply form Mike C. he uses a straight tube with no issu es. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com --- On Wed, 1/30/13, Jack wrote: From: Jack Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pitot Tube Bend Michael I wondered the same, hope to see some thoughts... Sent from my iPadJack Textor On Jan 28, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Michael Perez wrote : Before installing the pitot tube to the wing, I am wondering if it would be worth bending the tube first. I have seen them both straight and bent and am curious if a bend would allow water to settle in on the bottom and allow "dry" air to flow into the indicator. (if getting cought in rain in flight ) Perhaps-in flight, the water will just get pushed in anyway.- Anyone have issues with the straight tube pitots and water? =0A-=0AMichael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:29 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: EAA membership mailings I can say that RH was NOT our guy to run EAA and that problem is solved. Jack Pelton volunteered to fill in until an EAA leader is identified. Jack is a great longtime EAA Member and through Cessna helped launch the highly successful Young Eagles Program. We are working on a daily basis to take EAA back to the friendly days of old, but it is not as easy a task as you might think. We cover every type of aircraft from helium balloon flight to personal jets, and everything in between (including warbirds). It takes a balance to make everything work. A lot of changes happened in the past two years and we want those changes gone. Don't get me started about our magazine, Sport Aviation, but we WILL get it back! Be sure to subscribe for free to EAA Experimenter http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/ Barry D NX973BP PS: One way to cure the pesky mailing problem is to do what I did. I joined for a Lifetime Membership. I got a cool Jacket and hat, and get to attend a great dinner banquet at Airventure every year for Lifetime Members and I can take a guest. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:24 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA membership mailings --> (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" I totally agree with Andrew King that the EAA membership renewal notices start arriving in our mailboxes WAY too early and way too frequently. I passive-aggressively deal with this by calling them on the very last day of my annual membership and paying for my new membership over the phone with my Visa card. Funny how EAA won't even give you a postage-paid return envelope for your membership renewal. It says "Place stamp here." Great to hear things are looking up at EAA since Rod Warbird Hightower is gone. I wonder who will pay the fuel he burns in his Stearman and T-6 now? Mike C. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:02 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA Lifetime Membership costs $995 That's a good option Barry but I'd rather pay as I go:) ! ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pitot Tube Bend From: Gary Boothe Mine's bent...no issues. Gary Boothe NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Jack wrote: > Michael I wondered the same, hope to see some thoughts... > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Jan 28, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Michael Perez wrot e: > >> >> Before installing the pitot tube to the wing, I am wondering if it would b e worth bending the tube first. I have seen them both straight and bent and a m curious if a bend would allow water to settle in on the bottom and allow " dry" air to flow into the indicator. (if getting cought in rain in flight) P erhaps in flight, the water will just get pushed in anyway. Anyone have iss ues with the straight tube pitots and water? >> >> Michael Perez >> Pietenpol HINT Videos >> Karetaker Aero >> www.karetakeraero.com > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount From: Gary Boothe I like a good fire, now and then! My jig was all 2x4, merely holding 1/2" all-thread in place, while nuts and washers held the parts in place, and 100% sacrificial. Gary Boothe NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "C N Campbell" wrote: > > Ben, I am getting ready to build my engine mount for the Corvair engine. I was going to build the jig out of 3/4 plywood with a thin sheet of galvanized steel covering the wood where the welding was to be done. Would this keep the flames down? Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Charvet" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:35 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount > > >> >> On 1/30/2013 6:23 AM, Jack wrote: >>> I'm finding the motor mount to be a challenge for sure. I checked out a lot >>> of pictures for help so here are some to assist others challenged... >>> Jack >>> DSM >> Thats really a nice jig. Mine was made out of plywood and steel, and it would keep catching fire. To let the weld properly cool, I'd have to blow out the flames. >> >> -- >> Ben Charvet, PharmD >> Staff Pharmacist >> Parrish Medical center > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pitot Tube Bend From: Ken Bickers But Gary, does it ever rain in Cool California? On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Mine's bent...no issues. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Jack wrote: > > Michael I wondered the same, hope to see some thoughts... > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Jan 28, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Michael Perez > wrote: > > Before installing the pitot tube to the wing, I am wondering if it would > be worth bending the tube first. I have seen them both straight and bent > and am curious if a bend would allow water to settle in on the bottom and > allow "dry" air to flow into the indicator. (if getting cought in rain in > flight) Perhaps in flight, the water will just get pushed in anyway. > Anyone have issues with the straight tube pitots and water? > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > > * > > * > > D============================================ > npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > D============================================ > //forums.matronics.com > D============================================ > ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > D============================================ > * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pitot Tube Bend From: Gary Boothe 30"+ Gary Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > But Gary, does it ever rain in Cool California? > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Gary Boothe wrote : >> Mine's bent...no issues. >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 30, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Jack wrote: >> >>> Michael I wondered the same, hope to see some thoughts... >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> Jack Textor >>> >>> On Jan 28, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Michael Perez wr ote: >>> >>>> >>>> Before installing the pitot tube to the wing, I am wondering if it woul d be worth bending the tube first. I have seen them both straight and bent a nd am curious if a bend would allow water to settle in on the bottom and all ow "dry" air to flow into the indicator. (if getting cought in rain in fligh t) Perhaps in flight, the water will just get pushed in anyway. 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I have seen them both >>> straight and bent and am curious if a bend would allow water to >>> settle in on the bottom and allow "dry" air to flow into the >>> indicator. (if getting cought in rain in flight) Perhaps in >>> flight, the water will just get pushed in anyway. 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I don't care how you design your pitot, on a Piet t here will always be a point lower than the tube opening. Just cover it if yo u have a concern. Gary Boothe NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > But Gary, does it ever rain in Cool California? > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Gary Boothe wrote : >> Mine's bent...no issues. >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 30, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Jack wrote: >> >>> Michael I wondered the same, hope to see some thoughts... >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> Jack Textor >>> >>> On Jan 28, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Michael Perez wr ote: >>> >>>> >>>> Before installing the pitot tube to the wing, I am wondering if it woul d be worth bending the tube first. I have seen them both straight and bent a nd am curious if a bend would allow water to settle in on the bottom and all ow "dry" air to flow into the indicator. (if getting cought in rain in fligh t) Perhaps in flight, the water will just get pushed in anyway. Anyone have issues with the straight tube pitots and water? >>>> >>>> Michael Perez >>>> Pietenpol HINT Videos >>>> Karetaker Aero >>>> www.karetakeraero.com >>> >>> >>> >>> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> //forums.matronics.com >>> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >> >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Mount From: "dwilson" Jack, Not only is your shop as clean as an operating room, you are a metal surgeon to boot. All looks very professional. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393307#393307 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:17 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount Thanks, John. I hadn 't even thought of that. Guess I'll take this up with my welder. He uses TIG which is not as hot as Oxy Acetylene ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Franklin" Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount > > >> >> >>Ben, I am getting ready to build my engine mount for the Corvair engine. I >>was going to build the jig out of 3/4 plywood with a thin sheet of >>galvanized steel covering the wood where the welding was to be done. Would >>this keep the flames down? Chuck > > Chuck, I started out with a 3/4" jig with 1/16th steel sheeting to act as > a flame guard. The problem was that the bolts got so hot that they > charred the plywood and started to waller out the mounting holes. I ended > up drilling holes in my all-metal welding table and using it for a jig. > > John F. > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:24 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount Did you, like John, have a problem with the heat causing the 1/2" threaded rod to wallow out the holes in the wood. I guess I could make mine out of 2X4 also. I was planning on 3/4" plywood -- in fact have already bought the plywood, but the 2X4 might absorb a little more heat. My welder uses TIG. I understand this is not as hot as Oxy Acetylene. Do you know if this is true? Gary, I was very impressed by the film clip of your airplane flying the first time. Congrats. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount > > I like a good fire, now and then! My jig was all 2x4, merely holding 1/2" > all-thread in place, while nuts and washers held the parts in place, and > 100% sacrificial. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "C N Campbell" > wrote: > >> >> >> Ben, I am getting ready to build my engine mount for the Corvair engine. >> I was going to build the jig out of 3/4 plywood with a thin sheet of >> galvanized steel covering the wood where the welding was to be done. >> Would this keep the flames down? Chuck >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Charvet" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:35 AM >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount >> >> >>> >>> On 1/30/2013 6:23 AM, Jack wrote: >>>> I'm finding the motor mount to be a challenge for sure. I >>>> checked out a lot >>>> of pictures for help so here are some to assist others challenged... >>>> Jack >>>> DSM >>> Thats really a nice jig. Mine was made out of plywood and steel, and it >>> would keep catching fire. To let the weld properly cool, I'd have to >>> blow out the flames. >>> >>> -- >>> Ben Charvet, PharmD >>> Staff Pharmacist >>> Parrish Medical center >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:30 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pitot Tube Bend Hey, Guys, I would like to see some pictures of pitot tube installations. Are there any on West Coast Piet? C ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pitot Tube Bend Mine's bent...no issues. Gary Boothe NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Jack wrote: Michael I wondered the same, hope to see some thoughts... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 28, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Michael Perez wrote: Before installing the pitot tube to the wing, I am wondering if it would be worth bending the tube first. I have seen them both straight and bent and am curious if a bend would allow water to settle in on the bottom and allow "dry" air to flow into the indicator. (if getting cought in rain in flight) Perhaps in flight, the water will just get pushed in anyway. Anyone have issues with the straight tube pitots and water? Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D //forums.matronics.com D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:03 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: February EAA issue- 1st flight article and Dick N's Piet on Hadn't thought of that. Maybe I need to renew my subscription. C ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: February EAA issue- 1st flight article and Dick N's Piet on In my humble opinion we all need to support these types of organizations if only for their advocacy people in Washington. Those clowns would take our flying freedoms away from us so fast (in the name of safety) it would make all of our heads spin. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Baldeagle To: pietenpol-list Sent: Wed, Jan 30, 2013 9:50 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: February EAA issue- 1st flight article and Dick N's Piet on I was in Oshkosh over the weekend to give a talk at the EAA museum (met Doc Mosher there), and a number of people involved with EAA told me that the organisation is heading in a greatly improved direction now that they forced out Rod Hightower. Hopefully we'll see some results. I'm a member of both AOPA and EAA, both have their positives and negatives. - -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393275#393275 " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:39 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA membership mailings My lifetime membership wouldn't last very long! C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Davis" Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:48 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: EAA membership mailings > > I can say that RH was NOT our guy to run EAA and that problem is solved. > Jack Pelton volunteered to fill in until an EAA leader is identified. Jack > is a great longtime EAA Member and through Cessna helped launch the highly > successful Young Eagles Program. We are working on a daily basis to take > EAA > back to the friendly days of old, but it is not as easy a task as you > might > think. We cover every type of aircraft from helium balloon flight to > personal jets, and everything in between (including warbirds). It takes a > balance to make everything work. A lot of changes happened in the past two > years and we want those changes gone. Don't get me started about our > magazine, Sport Aviation, but we WILL get it back! Be sure to subscribe > for > free to EAA Experimenter http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/ > Barry D > NX973BP > PS: One way to cure the pesky mailing problem is to do what I did. I > joined > for a Lifetime Membership. I got a cool Jacket and hat, and get to attend > a > great dinner banquet at Airventure every year for Lifetime Members and I > can > take a guest. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, > Michael > D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:24 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA membership mailings > > --> (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" > > I totally agree with Andrew King that the EAA membership renewal notices > start arriving in our mailboxes WAY too early and way too frequently. > > I passive-aggressively deal with this by calling them on the very last day > of my annual membership and paying for my new membership over the phone > with > my Visa card. > > Funny how EAA won't even give you a postage-paid return envelope for your > membership renewal. It says "Place stamp here." > > Great to hear things are looking up at EAA since Rod Warbird Hightower is > gone. I wonder who will pay the fuel > he burns in his Stearman and T-6 now? > > Mike C. > > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: February EAA issue- 1st flight article and Dick N's Piet on From: "Jerry Dotson" Right on Mr Dan. The EAA and AOPA don't have a clue about us plans builders. BUT they have a good lobby that works somewhat in our best interest be it for the $100k and up crowd. The benefits are such that I am going to continue to pay my dues and take a casual look at Sport Aviation. I hope everyone knows about the Experimenter magazine online. I download it to my computer every month. It is a lot more for my interests than Sport Aviation. My 2 cents -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393314#393314 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount From: Gary Boothe Thanks, Chuck! Yes, the burned, and I'm sure there was some 'wallering', but not enough of the 2x4 burned to be a problem. Gary Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2013, at 1:38 PM, "C N Campbell" wrote: > > Did you, like John, have a problem with the heat causing the 1/2" threaded rod to wallow out the holes in the wood. I guess I could make mine out of 2X4 also. I was planning on 3/4" plywood -- in fact have already bought the plywood, but the 2X4 might absorb a little more heat. My welder uses TIG. I understand this is not as hot as Oxy Acetylene. Do you know if this is true? Gary, I was very impressed by the film clip of your airplane flying the first time. Congrats. Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 2:54 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount > > >> >> I like a good fire, now and then! My jig was all 2x4, merely holding 1/2" all-thread in place, while nuts and washers held the parts in place, and 100% sacrificial. >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 30, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "C N Campbell" wrote: >> >>> >>> Ben, I am getting ready to build my engine mount for the Corvair engine. I was going to build the jig out of 3/4 plywood with a thin sheet of galvanized steel covering the wood where the welding was to be done. Would this keep the flames down? Chuck >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Charvet" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:35 AM >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On 1/30/2013 6:23 AM, Jack wrote: >>>>> I'm finding the motor mount to be a challenge for sure. I checked out a lot >>>>> of pictures for help so here are some to assist others challenged... >>>>> Jack >>>>> DSM >>>> Thats really a nice jig. Mine was made out of plywood and steel, and it would keep catching fire. To let the weld properly cool, I'd have to blow out the flames. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ben Charvet, PharmD >>>> Staff Pharmacist >>>> Parrish Medical center > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount From: Jack In retrospect I maybe should not have painted mine... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 30, 2013, at 3:30 PM, "C N Campbell" wrote: > > Thanks, John. I hadn 't even thought of that. Guess I'll take this up with my welder. He uses TIG which is not as hot as Oxy Acetylene > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Franklin" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount > > >> >> >>> >>> Ben, I am getting ready to build my engine mount for the Corvair engine. I >>> was going to build the jig out of 3/4 plywood with a thin sheet of >>> galvanized steel covering the wood where the welding was to be done. Would >>> this keep the flames down? Chuck >> >> Chuck, I started out with a 3/4" jig with 1/16th steel sheeting to act as a flame guard. The problem was that the bolts got so hot that they charred the plywood and started to waller out the mounting holes. I ended up drilling holes in my all-metal welding table and using it for a jig. >> >> John F. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA membership mailings From: Jack Barry I've considered a lifetime but am superstitious too. I support EAA and AOPA for the support in Washington. Considering the AAA, I was a member for years and never felt part of the cult in Blakesberg, so I resigned... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:48 PM, "Barry Davis" wrote: > > I can say that RH was NOT our guy to run EAA and that problem is solved. > Jack Pelton volunteered to fill in until an EAA leader is identified. Jack > is a great longtime EAA Member and through Cessna helped launch the highly > successful Young Eagles Program. We are working on a daily basis to take EAA > back to the friendly days of old, but it is not as easy a task as you might > think. We cover every type of aircraft from helium balloon flight to > personal jets, and everything in between (including warbirds). It takes a > balance to make everything work. A lot of changes happened in the past two > years and we want those changes gone. Don't get me started about our > magazine, Sport Aviation, but we WILL get it back! Be sure to subscribe for > free to EAA Experimenter http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/ > Barry D > NX973BP > PS: One way to cure the pesky mailing problem is to do what I did. I joined > for a Lifetime Membership. I got a cool Jacket and hat, and get to attend a > great dinner banquet at Airventure every year for Lifetime Members and I can > take a guest. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael > D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:24 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA membership mailings > > --> (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" > > I totally agree with Andrew King that the EAA membership renewal notices > start arriving in our mailboxes WAY too early and way too frequently. > > I passive-aggressively deal with this by calling them on the very last day > of my annual membership and paying for my new membership over the phone with > my Visa card. > > Funny how EAA won't even give you a postage-paid return envelope for your > membership renewal. It says "Place stamp here." > > Great to hear things are looking up at EAA since Rod Warbird Hightower is > gone. I wonder who will pay the fuel > he burns in his Stearman and T-6 now? > > Mike C. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:08 PM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA/AOPA I always heard they didn't just allow anybody to go to Blakesburg. If you didn't have an antique aircraft then you didn't get to come. You know, "keep out the riff raff" such as me. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Dick N Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA/AOPA Hey Guys Have either of you looked at the Antique Airplane Assn instead. They publish a nice but small newsletter and hav a very nice fly in after Brodhead. They have more antique airplanes and you dont need any stinking radios to go in there. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 8:56 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA/AOPA Partners, LLC]" Funny Oscar--I never joined AOPA but have always kept my membership with EAA despite the corporatization of the organization. It isn't like the 'old days' but it still is the best thing we have going. If I kept all the hundreds and hundreds of mailings that AOPA has sent me over the years trying to get me to join (they started when I became a pilot in 1981) I could have heated my house for an entire year using a woodburner. I'm sure they have some good points but..... Mike C. PS--you aren't missing much. You've seen all the great photos of Dick N.'s Pietenpol and the first flight article can pretty much be found anywhere Googling it. I'm sure my Uncle Tony talks about first flights. ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pitot Tube Bend From: "Jerry Dotson" My pitot is straight 1/4"OD stainless tubing ran through the leading edge at the wing tip attached to 1/4"ID vinyl tubing that is fastened with zip ties to the ribs up close to the leading edge plywood. I keep covers on the pitot and fuel tank vent to keep those little bees from plugging them up in the hangar. I wrecked a pristine 1946 Stinson 108 in 1973 from the fuel tank vent being plugged off. After a local flight of 30 or so minutes, did a touch and go at best angle of climb speed for no real reason. At about 50 feet the engine quit with absolutely no warning. Reaction time, slow speed, full load wife and my 2 boys. I popped the nose over to try to get some speed to no avail. I landed in a 3 point attitude but nothing to break the descent rate. Messed up a nice airplane. That event forever changed the way I fly and preflight. I never climb slow low except when necessary. Sorry for the long post but it needed to be said. I got way off topic. Maybe I planted a seed that might help some one. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393319#393319 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA/AOPA From: Wayne Bressler The fly-in is for AAA members, here is the text from their website: For a variety of reasons including insurance coverage, the AAA National Fly- in at Blakesburg is an invitational members-only event. There are numerous b enefits to AAA membership and being able to attend the fly-in is one of the b iggest. You can join on the spot if you didn't already join and pre-register . Pre-registration helps out with the planning so please do if you can. Link: http://www.antiqueairfield.com/flyins/attending.html Wayne Bressler Taildraggers, Inc. www.taildraggersinc.com On Jan 30, 2013, at 5:40 PM, "Dennis Engelkenjohn" wro te: il.com> > > I always heard they didn't just allow anybody to go to Blakesburg. If you d idn't have an antique aircraft then you didn't get to come. You know, "keep o ut the riff raff" such as me. > Dennis > > -----Original Message----- From: Dick N > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:17 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA/AOPA > > > Hey Guys > Have either of you looked at the Antique Airplane Assn instead. They > publish a nice but small newsletter and hav a very nice fly in after > Brodhead. They have more antique airplanes and you dont need any stinking > radios to go in there. > Dick N. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Par tners, LLC]" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 8:56 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA/AOPA > > > Partners, LLC]" > > Funny Oscar--I never joined AOPA but have always kept my membership with E AA > despite the corporatization > of the organization. It isn't like the 'old days' but it still is the > best thing we have going. > > If I kept all the hundreds and hundreds of mailings that AOPA has sent me > over the years trying to get > me to join (they started when I became a pilot in 1981) I could have heat ed > my house for an entire year > using a woodburner. I'm sure they have some good points but..... > > Mike C. > > PS--you aren't missing much. You've seen all the great photos of Dick N.' s > Pietenpol and the first flight article > can pretty much be found anywhere Googling it. I'm sure my Uncle Tony > talks about first flights. > > > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:56 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: EAA/AOPA The AAA and EAA started about the same time. The AAA's policies have allowed it to remain a small "exclusive" organization, with little influence in Washington or the promotion of general aviation. EAA's policies have led to amazing growth, power and advocacy for aviation and allowing millions of people to enjoy aviation. Many times I've enjoyed visiting with Paul Poberenzy under a "classic" wing or on his motorcycle at Blakesburg. He has done more than anybody to promote aviation. I will always support EAA for this. Jack Textor Des Moines, IA _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Bressler Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:46 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA/AOPA The fly-in is for AAA members, here is the text from their website: For a variety of reasons including insurance coverage, the AAA National Fly-in at Blakesburg is an invitational members-only event. There are numerous benefits to AAA membership and being able to attend the fly-in is one of the biggest. You can join on the spot if you didn't already join and pre-register. Pre-registration helps out with the planning so please do if you can. Link: http://www.antiqueairfield.com/flyins/attending.html Wayne Bressler Taildraggers, Inc. www.taildraggersinc.com On Jan 30, 2013, at 5:40 PM, "Dennis Engelkenjohn" wrote: I always heard they didn't just allow anybody to go to Blakesburg. If you didn't have an antique aircraft then you didn't get to come. You know, "keep out the riff raff" such as me. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Dick N Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA/AOPA Hey Guys Have either of you looked at the Antique Airplane Assn instead. They publish a nice but small newsletter and hav a very nice fly in after Brodhead. They have more antique airplanes and you dont need any stinking radios to go in there. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 8:56 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA/AOPA Partners, LLC]" Funny Oscar--I never joined AOPA but have always kept my membership with EAA despite the corporatization of the organization. It isn't like the 'old days' but it still is the best thing we have going. If I kept all the hundreds and hundreds of mailings that AOPA has sent me over the years trying to get me to join (they started when I became a pilot in 1981) I could have heated my house for an entire year using a woodburner. I'm sure they have some good points but..... Mike C. PS--you aren't missing much. You've seen all the great photos of Dick N.'s Pietenpol and the first flight article can pretty much be found anywhere Googling it. I'm sure my Uncle Tony talks about first flights. ====================================================> http://ww==========================bsp; - MATRONICS W href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com============= =============================== http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:45 PM PST US From: "JerryGrogan" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount That's ok Jack the paint will burn off when I weld it. Or you could always just us the jig as your engine mount. A little heavy though. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 4:14 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount In retrospect I maybe should not have painted mine... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 30, 2013, at 3:30 PM, "C N Campbell" wrote: > --> > > Thanks, John. I hadn 't even thought of that. Guess I'll take this > up with my welder. He uses TIG which is not as hot as Oxy Acetylene > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Franklin" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount > > >> --> >> >> >>> --> >>> >>> Ben, I am getting ready to build my engine mount for the Corvair >>> engine. I was going to build the jig out of 3/4 plywood with a thin >>> sheet of galvanized steel covering the wood where the welding was to >>> be done. Would this keep the flames down? Chuck >> >> Chuck, I started out with a 3/4" jig with 1/16th steel sheeting to act as a flame guard. The problem was that the bolts got so hot that they charred the plywood and started to waller out the mounting holes. I ended up drilling holes in my all-metal welding table and using it for a jig. >> >> John F. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pitot Tube Bend From: "skellytown flyer" When I installed my pitot tube in the wing I mounted a 1/4" ferule fitting with the end flush with the bottom fabric. and I pressed it up enough to screw the nut on tight and have a removeable tube bent forwarded so if it ever gets damaged or I want to just take it off to prevent someone walking into it I can. so far no problems but I can see vibration could loosen it. I silver soldered a flange to it and bolted it to the spar so it's solid and stays put when tightening. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393337#393337 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:18 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wedgie Hmmm.....how many things could you do with this? http://www.leevalley.com/en/garden/page.aspx?cat=2,42194,40727&p=7043 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.