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1. 05:23 AM - Re: Update on comparisson test of Pietenpol and Riblett airfoils (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 06:34 AM - Re: Toe brake pedal location (kevinpurtee)
3. 07:52 AM - One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) (Michael Perez)
4. 09:15 AM - Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) (giacummo)
5. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) (Michael Perez)
6. 10:10 AM - Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) (Gmail)
7. 10:45 AM - Re: Re: Toe brake pedal location (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
8. 11:47 AM - Re: Toe brake pedal location (kevinpurtee)
9. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Toe brake pedal location (Jack)
10. 01:29 PM - Re: Toe brake pedal location (kevinpurtee)
11. 01:46 PM - Re: smooth tires (DOMIT)
12. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Toe brake pedal location (Jack)
13. 02:56 PM - way off topic... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
14. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: smooth tires (Greg Cardinal)
15. 03:55 PM - Flying Quasi-Piete For Sale (Gordon Bowen)
16. 07:33 PM - What are we doing!!! ()
17. 08:49 PM - Re: What are we doing!!! (Gary Boothe)
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| Subject: | Re: Update on comparisson test of Pietenpol and Riblett |
airfoils
I myself find this information fascinating and something very worthwhile. T
hank you Don and P.F. for taking the time to do it. Looking forward to furt
her reports.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Barnwell Regional Airport <barnwellairport@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:40 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update on comparisson test of Pietenpol and Riblet
t airfoils
Fellow Pietenpol enthusiasts,
Because of all the comments/questions to date, I thought a brief update mig
nt be in order.
it's attached in a pdf file. Just cick and open.
Please keep in mind that the testing is and will be ongoing for some time.
Enjoy,
P. F.
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| Subject: | Re: Toe brake pedal location |
Hi Skip - I guessed on the geometry and got lucky. it worked well. I used a different
brake system but the ergonomics are similar. I don't have measurements
but you can get an idea from the picture. This is a view from the right side
of the front cockpit looking left. You can barely see the tip of the rudder
bar. Above that you see the left master cylinder and pedal.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393582#393582
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| Subject: | One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) |
Crew, I remember seeing a post not too long ago about wing weight. I don't
remember what the various weights were in that post but for fun, I weighed
some of my wing components. Yesterday I finished the left side of my three
piece wing.- This wing is flight ready and ready to be installed. On a ba
throom scale, it weighed 45#.- I decided to also weigh the center section
which is also flight ready, it weighed 15#.
I will be starting the covering of the right wing as soon as I find a place
to move the finished left wing and make time to get started...should be Tu
esday-ish.- The right wing will have the pitot system installed in it.-
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) |
This is the post of the wing weight http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t-420
Last week I cover one wing, I have to stitch it, and paint it now.
Your wing weight just 45 pounds?!?!... I am going to weight mine again
Regards
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Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) |
Thanks for the link Mario.
Yes, 45#, ready to fly. I used sitka spruce, with 3/4" spars. 1/16" plywood
gussets, leading and trailing edge. 3/32" cable, 1.7oz fabric, latex paint
, brushed on.- I would imagine the other wing will weigh about the same p
lus the pitot system. (What...5 pounds max?)
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) |
Michael,
That sounds light. Well done. I think my wing panel was 53 lbs.
Greg Bacon
N114D
On Feb 4, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Crew, I remember seeing a post not too long ago about wing weight. I don't
remember what the various weights were in that post but for fun, I weighed s
ome of my wing components. Yesterday I finished the left side of my three pi
ece wing. This wing is flight ready and ready to be installed. On a bathroo
m scale, it weighed 45#. I decided to also weigh the center section which i
s also flight ready, it weighed 15#.
>
> I will be starting the covering of the right wing as soon as I find a plac
e to move the finished left wing and make time to get started...should be Tu
esday-ish. The right wing will have the pitot system installed in it.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Toe brake pedal location |
Hi Kevin,
Thanks, great idea. The white pedal, is it L shaped with the short leg at
the top coming toward the camera?
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/4/2013 9:40:28 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
>
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Hi Skip - I guessed on the geometry and got lucky. it worked well. I
used a different brake system but the ergonomics are similar. I don't have
measurements but you can get an idea from the picture. This is a view from
the right side of the front cockpit looking left. You can barely see the
tip of the rudder bar. Above that you see the left master cylinder and
pedal.
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393582#393582
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/for_skip_2_349.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Toe brake pedal location |
The white pedal is a piece of aluminum hacked out of a chunk of a big aluminum
I-beam. (I ended up replacing them with steel angle 'cause they bent. Dimensions
were the same, though.) The short leg of the "L" attached to the master
cylinder. The long leg was the pedal. Here's another picture. If you look at
the very bottom you'll see the pedals on either side of the seat and get an
idea of the shape & dimensions.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393598#393598
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| Subject: | Re: Toe brake pedal location |
Kevin is that an observation port on the floor...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:47 PM, "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
>
> The white pedal is a piece of aluminum hacked out of a chunk of a big aluminum
I-beam. (I ended up replacing them with steel angle 'cause they bent. Dimensions
were the same, though.) The short leg of the "L" attached to the master
cylinder. The long leg was the pedal. Here's another picture. If you look
at the very bottom you'll see the pedals on either side of the seat and get an
idea of the shape & dimensions.
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos, TX
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393598#393598
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> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/for_skip_138.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Toe brake pedal location |
Hi Jack - I originally built it as convenient access to the inside of the firewall.
I'd painted a piece of aluminum to cover it. Couldn't find the aluminum
so I ended up putting on a lexan cover instead. That turned out really handy.
It lit the inside of the front pit a little for preflight and terrified passengers
could watch the earth come hurtling towards them on landing.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393608#393608
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| Subject: | Re: smooth tires |
tools wrote:
> At the EAA's Week's hangar, they recently set up the wire wheels for the Standard
J1 and I think they're 21" (on what are supposedly old Jenny spoke rims,
21x4) and they have new smooth tires on them which I believe are Cokers. Next
time I'm up there I'll get the info if it's not posted by then.
>
> However, I think they spent FIFTEEN HUNDRED BUCKS on those used rims and new
tires... yikes.
>
> Good looking though, perfectly smooth, nice and round, I had no clue tires like
that were still being made. I don't believe they're NOS or anything.
I got a tip from the Flitzer guys, and did a bit of research...
IF y'all don't think these are too small, there is an inexpensive solution readily
available.
17" motorcycle wheels, and EITHER 17" slicks for motorcycles, or the front tires
for "dragsters." I've heard you can pick up those front tires after a few runs
(they replace frequently) for a song.
--------
Brad "DOMIT" Smith
First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393610#393610
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| Subject: | Re: Toe brake pedal location |
I like it!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Feb 4, 2013, at 3:29 PM, "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
>
> Hi Jack - I originally built it as convenient access to the inside of the firewall.
I'd painted a piece of aluminum to cover it. Couldn't find the aluminum
so I ended up putting on a lexan cover instead. That turned out really handy.
It lit the inside of the front pit a little for preflight and terrified passengers
could watch the earth come hurtling towards them on landing.
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> Rebuilding NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos, TX
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393608#393608
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| Subject: | way off topic... |
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| Subject: | Re: smooth tires |
Hoosier makes smooth tires for dragsters:
http://www.hoosiertire.com/racetires/A_pat_bg.jpg
http://www.hoosiertire.com/Drtire.htm
Too bad the word HOOSIER is so prominent on the tire.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "DOMIT" <rx7_ragtop@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 3:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: smooth tires
>
>
> tools wrote:
>> At the EAA's Week's hangar, they recently set up the wire wheels for the
>> Standard J1 and I think they're 21" (on what are supposedly old Jenny
>> spoke rims, 21x4) and they have new smooth tires on them which I believe
>> are Cokers. Next time I'm up there I'll get the info if it's not posted
>> by then.
>>
>> However, I think they spent FIFTEEN HUNDRED BUCKS on those used rims and
>> new tires... yikes.
>>
>> Good looking though, perfectly smooth, nice and round, I had no clue
>> tires like that were still being made. I don't believe they're NOS or
>> anything.
>
>
> I got a tip from the Flitzer guys, and did a bit of research...
>
> IF y'all don't think these are too small, there is an inexpensive solution
> readily available.
>
> 17" motorcycle wheels, and EITHER 17" slicks for motorcycles, or the front
> tires for "dragsters." I've heard you can pick up those front tires after
> a few runs (they replace frequently) for a song.
>
> --------
> Brad "DOMIT" Smith
>
> First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going
> fast.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393610#393610
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Flying Quasi-Piete For Sale |
Time for Sky King to hang it up. I have my N-1033B for sale @ $14K. Due to
fact I live 8 mos per yr in Alaska where open cockpit airplanes get little
usage, I'm only flying my plane about 40 hrs per year or so here at the
winter home near Phoenix. This is a good plane, it's not a purist
Pietenpol but a parasol wing metal fuselage plane powered by an 0-235. I
built it to carry a big guy, I'm 6'4 and 265#'s so it fits. If anyone is
interested a big boy's flying taildragger now, contact me off list at
1-907-399-6378 or email gordon.bowen.training@gmail.com. I will send a
folder of details and pictures.
Gordon Bowen
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| Subject: | What are we doing!!! |
So today I found out an "entity" on this list has been selling "building
advice" videos while all the time building wings without leading
edges????
Is this true or have I been sold a bill of goods? If it's true how
could so many experienced builders allow this to continue????
Do I need to shut up? or is this "stuff" being condoned by a lack of
reaction on this list?
Bob Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | What are we doing!!! |
Bob,
There has long been an undercurrent of discussion regarding an individual
who would sell advice about building an airplane, while never having built
one! The focus of the undercurrent has always been about what the newbie
would take from this, not the experienced builder. Still..
The web site that I have visited makes it clear to the reader that these are
un-flight tested ideas and methods. If you discard what you object to, there
are still some good ideas. I'm more concerned that you would feel the need
to question this list!
Do you know if building wings without the solid leading edge is a problem?
It wasn't for thousands of T-crafts, Boredom Fighters, etc. In fact, the
Boredom Fighter doesn't even have the benefit of plywood.just thin aluminum.
I find myself in an odd position of defending the builder's wing, while I so
richly admire Mr. Pietenpol's design. As I am about to start on another
handmade airplane, I am redesigning the wing, too, because..I can! It's
called Experimental Aviation.
If you think that a missing solid leading edge is a big deal, you should see
what others have done to the Pietenpol.Like converting it to a bi-plane, or
a low wing! How about increasing the wing span by 4'!!
What do you mean by ".allow this to continue.." Are we supposed to police
another's choice? . to police the idea of free enterprise?
Is not the #1 rule of purchasing anything - Buyer Beware!? If you feel
swindled, you should take it up with the seller and leave us out of it. If
you cannot get your money back, then take what advice you can that will help
you to build your Pietenpol as you want to. In the larger picture, you have
spent a very small amount.
Please, keep us posted on your project.send out some pictures of some
completed parts, no matter how small the item, and put all this behind you!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rdewenter@woh.rr.com
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 7:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What are we doing!!!
So today I found out an "entity" on this list has been selling "building
advice" videos while all the time building wings without leading edges????
Is this true or have I been sold a bill of goods? If it's true how could so
many experienced builders allow this to continue????
Do I need to shut up? or is this "stuff" being condoned by a lack of
reaction on this list?
Bob Dewenter
Dayton OH
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