---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/06/13: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:30 AM - Re: Re: Toe brake pedal location (Clif Dawson) 2. 03:04 AM - Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) (giacummo) 3. 06:06 AM - Re: Tail tape (Jerry Dotson) 4. 06:28 AM - Fuselage frame for sale $1000 OBO (olflyr45) 5. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: Toe brake pedal location (C N Campbell) 6. 07:39 AM - Re: Tail tape (Michael Perez) 7. 09:26 AM - Re: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) (Michael Perez) 8. 09:51 AM - Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) (giacummo) 9. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: What are we doing!!! (Michael Perez) 10. 11:36 AM - Re: Tail tape (Don Emch) 11. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: Tail tape (Jack) 12. 01:10 PM - Re: Tail tape (Don Emch) 13. 01:32 PM - Re: Re: Tail tape (Jack) 14. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: Tail tape (Ken Bickers) 15. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: Tail tape (Gary Boothe) 16. 01:47 PM - Re: Tail tape (Don Emch) 17. 02:07 PM - Re: Re: Tail tape (Jack) 18. 03:52 PM - landing gear question (JOSEPH SWITHIN) 19. 04:15 PM - landing gear (JOSEPH SWITHIN) 20. 05:46 PM - Re: landing gear (Chris) 21. 06:09 PM - Re: landing gear (taildrags) 22. 07:33 PM - Re: Re: Tail tape (Ken Bickers) 23. 07:34 PM - Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) (jarheadpilot82) 24. 07:49 PM - Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) (taildrags) 25. 07:49 PM - Re: Re: Tail tape (Michael Perez) 26. 07:50 PM - Re: Fuselage frame for sale $1000 OBO (taildrags) 27. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) (Michael Perez) 28. 08:07 PM - Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) (jarheadpilot82) 29. 08:11 PM - Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) (jarheadpilot82) 30. 08:39 PM - Re: landing gear question (K5YAC) 31. 08:46 PM - landing gear (markmckellar@reagan.com) 32. 09:36 PM - Re: landing gear (K5YAC) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:03 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location Glass Bottom Boat! :-) Clif The Early Bird may get the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese. > Okay now, Scout NEEDS one of those ports in the floor! to give the > front-seat navigator a view of landmarks on the ground ;o) > Oscar Zuniga ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) From: "giacummo" I weight it again, but first details: Spars I bean type - plywood 10 mm in center and borders of douglas fir 1" thick all the rest douglas fir draga/antidrag cables 1/8" control cables 3/32 fabric, dacron 1.7 oz paint.... not yet weight: 24 kg ( 54 lb ) -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393697#393697 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape From: "Jerry Dotson" What Gary said. I used 2" all the way for the look. Standing behind the airplane you can see the wing and tailfeathers. I say use what you want though. If the narrow tape looks good go for it. If it don't work out to suit in 3 or 4 hours it can be redone my $0.02 -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393701#393701 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:14 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage frame for sale $1000 OBO From: "olflyr45" >From disassembled (previously flying) aircraft; Uncovered; includes tailwheel and tail surfaces (covered). If you're building one this will save you a lot of time. Some pictures available. Contact Wylie Johnson @ (865) 963-6978 or wyliejohnson45@gmail.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393702#393702 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:52 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location All these posts about the 'port on the floor' reminds me of the first time I ever took my wife for a ride in a helicopter (which has the entire nose as a 'port.' She said, "Problem is I can see too much!" There are pros and cons to have the port. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location > > Okay now, Scout NEEDS one of those ports in the floor! That is really > interesting! Absolutely right about it admitting some natural light for > preflighting, and to give the front-seat navigator a view of landmarks on > the ground ;o) That is going on my summer projects list to do! > > Actually, it is such a pain to lean way down into the front cockpit to > work on the fuel shutoff valve on my airplane that I'm going to make sure > my observation port is hinged and latched (from the outside) so I can get > a hand up into that area. Very cool! > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393695#393695 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:42 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail tape Jack, I used thinner tape on the tail because the tail pieces are smaller t hen the wings. To me, the wide tape looked a little too big. However, the t ape used was 1.5", leaving- .5" on either side of the stitches/chafe tape .-- I had planned on using the same width tape on the wings as well, bu t I had a bunch more of the 2" so I used it instead of the 1.5". As noted, with the larger wing area and longer lengths of tape needed, the 2" looked really nice. The tape over the stitches are to protect them. The tape gets glued to the stitches, the area between the stitches and the area along the sides. Plent y of glue area, just about any width will work fine. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:07 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) Mario, when you say: "All the rest Douglas fir." do you mean the rest of th e wing, (ribs, compression struts, etc.)?- How do you plan to paint the wing...pray, latex...? Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) From: "giacummo" Michael, yes, ribs, compression struts, leading and trailing edge. the plywood over the leading edge is cedar, and.... that's all. no, the core of the I beans are marine plywood. and I am going to paint all the airplane with latex, in the rudder and stabilizer I put 7 hands of paint with a good brush, excelent, a thick, hard and smooth surface as I saw when I had to cut the fabric on the stabilizer to change the horn. I do not know how many years it will work, but... let's see. I have a test piece with 1, 2, 3, 4...and 6 hands of latex outside at home to see how it degrade over the time (it was outside for two years now and its ok, rain, sun, hot, cold, ice....) -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393710#393710 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:00 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!! I figured I would wait to comment on this thread until after seeing where i t would go and after the dust settled.- Originally, I had singled out ind ividuals and individual comments to respond to, but others here have pretty much said what I would have said and I see no reason to re-hash it.- A f ew points were not brought up and a couple comments were not questioned, ho wever for me to do so now, I feel, would not benefit the list or the reader s. I would like to add a few personal comments: If anyone has any questions about anything I do, my background, experience, who I collaborate with or consult, just ask me. I would rather answer your question myself, (or try to) rather than having others speculate. I find it strange that no asked me anything directly in this thread. I thou ght for sure someone would want to know how I achieved such a light weight. Paul Donahue, (nightmare) specifically stated he does not share some ideas on this list... he does not want to "...hang myself out like that."- That is a real shame...the environment here would effect the open sharing of id eas. How many others have been silent?- Paul, (or anyone) if you are uncomfortable sharing new ideas, changes, etc. here, please contact me directly. I am more than interested in hearing abo ut what you are guys are up to and what ideas you may have. In the spirit of sharing, here are some HINTS for building 45# wing section s: 1) Sitka spruce.- This wood is getting harder to come by in spar lengths/ grade, but worth the effort. 2) Varnish only enough to protect the wood. Today's varnishes are superior and will protect with minimal coverage. Resist the urge to lather on multip le coats just for the glossy, smooth look.- I sprayed on a single thinned coat of spar urethane.- Once dried, I sprayed the entire structure with a water hose and inspected the wood. It was completely sealed. Today's UV blocker paints and modern fabric also help protect the wood. Drain holes wi ll allow air circulation and aid in wood health. 3) Correct size cable for the job.- 3/32" for control, 1/8" for drag/anti drag cables. No reason to go larger. 4) Swage on cable fittings. A thimble, nicopress sleeve, (only need one) th e extra cable around the thimble and into the nicopress sleeve and some "th ing" to keep the cable end from fraying, all add weight. ( for each end of each cable done in this manner)- Do some work and try to locate and borro w swage tool. Well worth it.- The fittings are not too much more than oth ers and you save ($ and #) on thimbles, sleeves... 5) Short turnbuckle bodies and cable ends. 6) Turnbuckle bodies and cable ends with the grooves for the retaining clip s. No need for wraps and wraps of safety wire. 7)- Correct size 4130. Use what is required, no need to go thicker. 8) Light weight fabric. (1.7oz)- These 100 MPH planes with today's fabric and glues do not require anything heavier. 9) Paint only enough to protect the fabric from UV.- This was easy for me because I was not interested in a high gloss, showroom finish. I can swage cables while I still have a swager, for those interested. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape From: "Don Emch" Michael, It depends on the system being used. 2" is the standard for Poly Fiber or Dope systems. In these systems the tapes are not glued on. They are "doped" on. A good system but as the coats are sprayed on and the coats gas off the tape will tend to "tent" over the stitch. A 1 1/2" tape is not wide enough for those systems. If a person uses the narrower width he will most likely have a lot of heartache during the later build up coats. Experience.... :-) Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393716#393716 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape From: Jack Don are you saying the 1 1/2" is ok with Stewart-water systems? Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Feb 6, 2013, at 1:36 PM, "Don Emch" wrote: > > Michael, > > It depends on the system being used. 2" is the standard for Poly Fiber or Dope systems. In these systems the tapes are not glued on. They are "doped" on. A good system but as the coats are sprayed on and the coats gas off the tape will tend to "tent" over the stitch. A 1 1/2" tape is not wide enough for those systems. If a person uses the narrower width he will most likely have a lot of heartache during the later build up coats. Experience.... :-) > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393716#393716 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape From: "Don Emch" Jack, I don't know about Stewarts. I don't have any experience with it. But to make a general statement that as long as it covers the stitching and reinforcing tape it is "okay", is not really true, because it depends on the system. That narrow tape is not good for the systems that "dope" the tapes on. 2" is the standard out there. Might as well just make them 2". Not a bad thing to stick to standards in the airplane business. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393718#393718 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape From: Jack Oh crap Don no bed sheets and varnish... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Feb 6, 2013, at 3:10 PM, "Don Emch" wrote: > > Jack, > > I don't know about Stewarts. I don't have any experience with it. But to make a general statement that as long as it covers the stitching and reinforcing tape it is "okay", is not really true, because it depends on the system. That narrow tape is not good for the systems that "dope" the tapes on. 2" is the standard out there. Might as well just make them 2". Not a bad thing to stick to standards in the airplane business. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393718#393718 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape From: Ken Bickers I'm using the Stewart System and liking it alot, especially when compared to the fumes associated with the Stits Polyfiber system. The manual calls out specific tape widths for leading and trailing edges, as well as covering the rib stitches. To be sure, that is for the STC. Even though, what we are doing is experimental (and thus not bound to the STC, I'd strongly suggest following the instructions in the manual. These STCs have been written in blood. Anybody that remembers Steve Whitman or admires the qualities of the Tailwinds will appreciate that. Ken On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Don Emch wrote: > > Jack, > > I don't know about Stewarts. I don't have any experience with it. But to make a general statement that as long as it covers the stitching and reinforcing tape it is "okay", is not really true, because it depends on the system. That narrow tape is not good for the systems that "dope" the tapes on. 2" is the standard out there. Might as well just make them 2". Not a bad thing to stick to standards in the airplane business. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393718#393718 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:43 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape Jack, In the spirit of being helpful, why not cut some 1 1/2" tapes from your bulk material and work on the bottom of the H. Stab. See what happens. You can always cover over with 2" if necessary, and I promise not to tell anyone... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape Oh crap Don no bed sheets and varnish... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Feb 6, 2013, at 3:10 PM, "Don Emch" wrote: > > Jack, > > I don't know about Stewarts. I don't have any experience with it. But to make a general statement that as long as it covers the stitching and reinforcing tape it is "okay", is not really true, because it depends on the system. That narrow tape is not good for the systems that "dope" the tapes on. 2" is the standard out there. Might as well just make them 2". Not a bad thing to stick to standards in the airplane business. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393718#393718 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape From: "Don Emch" I guess a genius like Mr. Pietenpol didn't always need standards! :-) Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393723#393723 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape From: Jack Yea for sure Gary! Ken I missed that in the manual, better check again Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Feb 6, 2013, at 3:44 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Jack, > > In the spirit of being helpful, why not cut some 1 1/2" tapes from your bulk > material and work on the bottom of the H. Stab. See what happens. You can > always cover over with 2" if necessary, and I promise not to tell anyone... > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 1:33 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape > > > Oh crap Don no bed sheets and varnish... > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Feb 6, 2013, at 3:10 PM, "Don Emch" wrote: > >> >> Jack, >> >> I don't know about Stewarts. I don't have any experience with it. But to > make a general statement that as long as it covers the stitching and > reinforcing tape it is "okay", is not really true, because it depends on the > system. That narrow tape is not good for the systems that "dope" the tapes > on. 2" is the standard out there. Might as well just make them 2". Not a > bad thing to stick to standards in the airplane business. >> >> Don Emch >> NX899DE >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393718#393718 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:56 PM PST US From: JOSEPH SWITHIN Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing gear question If you build the landing gear where you utilize the springs, Cub type? What size are those springs? diameter of the wind, number of winds etc? Do not know if I' am using the correct terminology, and I recognize I may be offending the purists but help would be appreciated. I would also like the same info for the Sky Scout if possible. Thank-You Joe Swithin Morris, IL Gathering mode while we wait for warmer weather. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:58 PM PST US From: JOSEPH SWITHIN Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing gear Does a drawing exist showing the spring/Cub type gear? Thanks Joe Morris, IL ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:34 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: landing gear Joe This is what I have http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Construction/Untitled-1.JPG Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOSEPH SWITHIN Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 4:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing gear Does a drawing exist showing the spring/Cub type gear? Thanks Joe Morris, IL ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing gear From: "taildrags" You can find a nice writeup on the spring struts on William Wynne's flycorvair.net site if you search on keyword 'springs'. Here's a snip from that site: The springs are available from A/C spruce for about $100. Their rating is 1200 pounds per inch. They are 1 ID, 2 OD, and 6 long. the spring works in compression. This is for the "captive spring" setup that William describes. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393731#393731 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape From: Ken Bickers Jack, I now can see why you were wondering about tape width over the rib stitches. I have Stewart Systems Procedures Manual 21, dated 3/23/2009. This evening after I got home from work I went back through the manual thinking that the rib stitch tape question would be answered clearly and concisely. Alas. On page 11, there is a discussion of the width of finish tape on glued seams with a minimum overlap glued seam of 1" (2" tape); on leading edges, which require a minimum overlap of 3" glued seams (4" tape); and trailing edges, which require a minimum 2" glued overlaps (3" tape). On page 15, there is a discussion of reinforcement patches. These need to extend 1" beyond each side of the opening to be reinforced. But when it comes to the tapes over rib stitches, all I found in the manual was on page 27. There it recommends using a 2" wide strip of plastic or venetian blind to scribe the lines for the application of the tapes. From that I think we are to infer that the tapes are to be 2" wide -- though that sounds like a recommendation, not a hard and fast rule. On the Stewart System videos, 2" tape is what is applied over the rib stitches. As a side note, my PolyFiber manual (revision 21) says on page 46 to use 2" tapes for ribs and longerons. My best, Ken On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Jack wrote: > > Yea for sure Gary! Ken I missed that in the manual, better check again > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Feb 6, 2013, at 3:44 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > >> >> Jack, >> >> In the spirit of being helpful, why not cut some 1 1/2" tapes from your bulk >> material and work on the bottom of the H. Stab. See what happens. You can >> always cover over with 2" if necessary, and I promise not to tell anyone... >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack >> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 1:33 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape >> >> >> Oh crap Don no bed sheets and varnish... >> >> Sent from my iPad >> Jack Textor >> >> On Feb 6, 2013, at 3:10 PM, "Don Emch" wrote: >> >>> >>> Jack, >>> >>> I don't know about Stewarts. I don't have any experience with it. But to >> make a general statement that as long as it covers the stitching and >> reinforcing tape it is "okay", is not really true, because it depends on the >> system. That narrow tape is not good for the systems that "dope" the tapes >> on. 2" is the standard out there. Might as well just make them 2". Not a >> bad thing to stick to standards in the airplane business. >>> >>> Don Emch >>> NX899DE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393718#393718 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) From: "jarheadpilot82" I found this while reading through the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. From the man himself. 95 pounds. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393742#393742 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_174.jpg ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) From: "taildrags" Terry; that's an interesting figure. So my two wings together, without even considering the weight of the center section, weigh 20 lbs. more than Mr. Pietenpol's entire one-piece wing. I have heard that the 3-piece wing (especially with a flop section) weighs more than the 1-piece, but this quantifies the possible weight saving by building a simple and light 1-piece. Everyone who has built one seems to agree that it is a pain to handle the 1-piece wing while building though. I have taken advantage of the demountability of separate wings twice now, when I have had to trailer the airplane. I can't imagine demounting and remounting a 1-piece without having plenty of hands available. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393744#393744 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:14 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape Anyone who has used the Stewart's line will agree how incredibly strong the ir ekobond glue is. Considering we are talking about finishing tapes and th e-surface area the glue has to attach to...I am more then confident with my statement and stand by it. The basic procedure is to apply a wet coat of glue to the fabric, (do not wipe off) lay the tape over top, then brush an other wet coat down through the tape into the fabric below. Wipe off excess . I just don't see these finish tapes coming loose.- I tried to remove on e when I noticed it was not as straight as I would like, even prior to the glue being fully dry, and I thought I was going to rip the base fabric. - No rib stitch finish tape minimum width-is stated in Stewart's manual, fr om what I read. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage frame for sale $1000 OBO From: "taildrags" >From the area code, this sounds like it's in Knoxville, TN. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393746#393746 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:49 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) Terry, would that be the one piece wing with fuel tank, or the three piece? I don't have that Glider Manual. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) From: "jarheadpilot82" Michael, I am assuming that it is the one piece wing as the 3 piece came later. It does not say whether or not that included the weight of the tank. Some of the more knowledgeable forum members might want to chime in. Feel free to do so. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393750#393750 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) From: "jarheadpilot82" Oscar, I just happened to see this and thought it was good food for thought. It must be the stubborn Jarhead in me, but I am considering building the one-piece wing in the interest of building it light. We'll see. Will keep you posted. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393751#393751 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing gear question From: "K5YAC" I'll be using a Lamina H-56 spring as recommended by others. It is a 6" die spring... you can find more information in this catalog (see link)... look in the Gold series spring section for H-56. http://www.elsimeth.com/priv_prods_pdf/ELS_Raymond_Spring_Catalog.pdf I got mine from H&O Die Supply in Kennedale, TX (1-800-222-5441) for $18.75 each. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393752#393752 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing gear From: markmckellar@reagan.com Joseph,=0A=0AThis is a drawing that Hans van der Voort posted of his landin g gear springs.=0A=0AMark McKellar ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing gear From: "K5YAC" I've attached the notes that I am using. I'm not sure where I got this page (probably Markle), but it appears to be from the Buckeye newsletter. The H-56 spring is called out here, which is still available for a reasonable cost. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393758#393758 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/landing_gear_springs_821.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.