---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/07/13: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:49 AM - Re: landing gear (jarheadpilot82) 2. 06:17 AM - Rain (TOM STINEMETZE) 3. 06:56 AM - Re: Rain (Michael Perez) 4. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: What are we doing!!! (Michael Perez) 5. 07:02 AM - Re: Rain (TOM STINEMETZE) 6. 07:46 AM - Re: Re: What are we doing!!! (Greg Bacon) 7. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: What are we doing!!! (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 8. 07:58 AM - Helpful Verses (TOM STINEMETZE) 9. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: What are we doing!!! (Michael Perez) 10. 08:42 AM - Looking for North Carolina Builders! (randycary) 11. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: What are we doing!!! (Greg Bacon) 12. 09:37 AM - Re: Helpful Verses (Michael Perez) 13. 09:52 AM - Wood Prop. Carving Video (Michael Perez) 14. 10:14 AM - Re: Wood Prop. Carving Video (Michael Perez) 15. 11:32 AM - Re: Wood Prop. Carving Video (Bill Church) 16. 11:34 AM - Re: Wood Prop. Carving Video (Barry Davis) 17. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: Wood Prop. Carving Video (Gary Boothe) 18. 12:19 PM - OT... my farher's passing..... (aerocarjake) 19. 12:25 PM - Re: OT... my farher's passing..... (Gene Rambo) 20. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: What are we doing!!! (C N Campbell) 21. 12:32 PM - Re: Wood Prop. Carving Video (C N Campbell) 22. 12:36 PM - Elevator Cables (Scott Knowlton) 23. 12:37 PM - Re: OT... my farher's passing..... (C N Campbell) 24. 12:39 PM - Re: OT... my farher's passing..... (Gary Boothe) 25. 12:47 PM - Re: Rain (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 26. 01:01 PM - Re: Elevator Cables (Gene Rambo) 27. 01:29 PM - Elevator Cables (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 28. 01:34 PM - machine cutting prop blade at Culver (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 29. 01:53 PM - Pietenpol performance in humid air (Jeffro) 30. 02:28 PM - Re: machine cutting prop blade at Culver (Jack) 31. 02:45 PM - Re: machine cutting prop blade at Culver (bender) 32. 04:48 PM - Re: Looking for North Carolina Builders! (Jack Phillips) 33. 05:45 PM - Re: Looking for North Carolina Builders! (Dave Millikan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing gear From: "jarheadpilot82" Oscar beat me to it, but here is a link to the full article on William Wynne's website FlyCorvair.net- [/u] -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393766#393766 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:48 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rain Praise the Lord! We got 0.7 inches of rain in McPherson, KS. I will gladly hold off painting for a while until the humidity goes down. We are currently about 18 inches behind normal. I feel for you guys back East, but for us this is a real blessing. Tom Stinemetze N328X ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:30 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rain Don't feel bad Tom, her in the Cleveland area, we are down about 10" or so of snow for the year...I hate it. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:10 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!! Forgot one... 10) No nails/staples, etc. Only T-88 Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:20 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rain ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!! From: Greg Bacon Michael, Just wanted to say that I like your plywood wrap leading edge design. This saves weight and eliminates a lot of sanding. One of the most arduous tasks for me was shaping the leading edge. The plywood wrap shapes the LE perfectly. And I think Mr. Dewenter owes you an apology for attacking you the way he did. Simply put, it was totally uncalled for. Keep up the good work! On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > I figured I would wait to comment on this thread until after seeing where > it would go and after the dust settled. Originally, I had singled out > individuals and individual comments to respond to, but others here have > pretty much said what I would have said and I see no reason to re-hash it. > A few points were not brought up and a couple comments were not questioned, > however for me to do so now, I feel, would not benefit the list or the > readers. > > I would like to add a few personal comments: > > If anyone has any questions about anything I do, my background, > experience, who I collaborate with or consult, just ask me. I would rather > answer your question myself, (or try to) rather than having others > speculate. > > I find it strange that no asked me anything directly in this thread. I > thought for sure someone would want to know how I achieved such a light > weight. > > Paul Donahue, (nightmare) specifically stated he does not share some ideas > on this list... he does not want to "...hang myself out like that." That > is a real shame...the environment here would effect the open sharing of > ideas. How many others have been silent? > > Paul, (or anyone) if you are uncomfortable sharing new ideas, changes, > etc. here, please contact me directly. I am more than interested in hearing > about what you are guys are up to and what ideas you may have. > > In the spirit of sharing, here are some HINTS for building 45# wing > sections: > > 1) Sitka spruce. This wood is getting harder to come by in spar > lengths/grade, but worth the effort. > > 2) Varnish only enough to protect the wood. Today's varnishes are superior > and will protect with minimal coverage. Resist the urge to lather on > multiple coats just for the glossy, smooth look. I sprayed on a single > thinned coat of spar urethane. Once dried, I sprayed the entire structure > with a water hose and inspected the wood. It was completely sealed. Today's > UV blocker paints and modern fabric also help protect the wood. Drain holes > will allow air circulation and aid in wood health. > > 3) Correct size cable for the job. 3/32" for control, 1/8" for drag/anti > drag cables. No reason to go larger. > > 4) Swage on cable fittings. A thimble, nicopress sleeve, (only need one) > the extra cable around the thimble and into the nicopress sleeve and some > "thing" to keep the cable end from fraying, all add weight. ( for each end > of each cable done in this manner) Do some work and try to locate and > borrow swage tool. Well worth it. The fittings are not too much more than > others and you save ($ and #) on thimbles, sleeves... > > 5) Short turnbuckle bodies and cable ends. > > 6) Turnbuckle bodies and cable ends with the grooves for the retaining > clips. No need for wraps and wraps of safety wire. > > 7) Correct size 4130. Use what is required, no need to go thicker. > > 8) Light weight fabric. (1.7oz) These 100 MPH planes with today's fabric > and glues do not require anything heavier. > > 9) Paint only enough to protect the fabric from UV. This was easy for me > because I was not interested in a high gloss, showroom finish. > > I can swage cables while I still have a swager, for those interested. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > > * > > -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO NX114D(Mountain Piet) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:20 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!! Agreed. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Bacon Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 8:46 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!! Michael, Just wanted to say that I like your plywood wrap leading edge design. This saves weight and eliminates a lot of sanding. One of the most arduous tasks for me was shaping the leading edge. The plywood wrap shapes the LE perfectly. And I think Mr. Dewenter owes you an apology for attacking you the way he did. Simply put, it was totally uncalled for. Keep up the good work! On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Michael Perez wrote: I figured I would wait to comment on this thread until after seeing where it would go and after the dust settled. Originally, I had singled out individuals and individual comments to respond to, but others here have pretty much said what I would have said and I see no reason to re-hash it. A few points were not brought up and a couple comments were not questioned, however for me to do so now, I feel, would not benefit the list or the readers. I would like to add a few personal comments: If anyone has any questions about anything I do, my background, experience, who I collaborate with or consult, just ask me. I would rather answer your question myself, (or try to) rather than having others speculate. I find it strange that no asked me anything directly in this thread. I thought for sure someone would want to know how I achieved such a light weight. Paul Donahue, (nightmare) specifically stated he does not share some ideas on this list... he does not want to "...hang myself out like that." That is a real shame...the environment here would effect the open sharing of ideas. How many others have been silent? Paul, (or anyone) if you are uncomfortable sharing new ideas, changes, etc. here, please contact me directly. I am more than interested in hearing about what you are guys are up to and what ideas you may have. In the spirit of sharing, here are some HINTS for building 45# wing sections: 1) Sitka spruce. This wood is getting harder to come by in spar lengths/grade, but worth the effort. 2) Varnish only enough to protect the wood. Today's varnishes are superior and will protect with minimal coverage. Resist the urge to lather on multiple coats just for the glossy, smooth look. I sprayed on a single thinned coat of spar urethane. Once dried, I sprayed the entire structure with a water hose and inspected the wood. It was completely sealed. Today's UV blocker paints and modern fabric also help protect the wood. Drain holes will allow air circulation and aid in wood health. 3) Correct size cable for the job. 3/32" for control, 1/8" for drag/anti drag cables. No reason to go larger. 4) Swage on cable fittings. A thimble, nicopress sleeve, (only need one) the extra cable around the thimble and into the nicopress sleeve and some "thing" to keep the cable end from fraying, all add weight. ( for each end of each cable done in this manner) Do some work and try to locate and borrow swage tool. Well worth it. The fittings are not too much more than others and you save ($ and #) on thimbles, sleeves... 5) Short turnbuckle bodies and cable ends. 6) Turnbuckle bodies and cable ends with the grooves for the retaining clips. No need for wraps and wraps of safety wire. 7) Correct size 4130. Use what is required, no need to go thicker. 8) Light weight fabric. (1.7oz) These 100 MPH planes with today's fabric and glues do not require anything heavier. 9) Paint only enough to protect the fabric from UV. This was easy for me because I was not interested in a high gloss, showroom finish. I can swage cables while I still have a swager, for those interested. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO NX114D(Mountain Piet) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:21 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Helpful Verses I may have mentioned in the past that I have found it a helpful Bible verse memorization technique to put appropriate verses in various places on the aircraft while it is under construction. I was not aware, however, that Jesus himself was an Air Camper fan. A friend just pointed out to me a verse in Matthew, specifically Matthew 28:20 where Jesus says: "Lo I am with you always..." Obviously the translator misspelled the word "low" but, hey, we are not all perfect. Stinemetze N328X ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:02 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!! Thank you very much Greg. I sir, applaud you for making your statement publ icly on this list. I would guess from time to time people may agree with wh at I do, not very many say so in public. Mr. Dewenter will do what he feels is the right thing to do, I'm sure.- I get bashed pretty good on here from time to time, I expect it. As someone recently noted: " People get testy when you try to change things." or somet hing to that effect. I am only interested in sharing what I am doing and ho w I do it. People may do what they wish with that intel. There are plenty o f approved, proven ways to do everything we build. However, to dismiss a ne w idea, method or technique out-right is unjust. These new ideas are so far unproven...not proven worthy, not proven unworthy.- I am willing to take the chance and find out. Brian, thank you too for your vote of confidence. My apologies if this came across as preaching. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for North Carolina Builders! From: "randycary" Hey Folks. My name is Randy Cary and I am new to the site as of Jan 26 of this year. I have been to Lewisburg NC to see Chuck's project and he told me he thought that there were several builders in central NC, near my home and work. If anyone knows of these folks, or they are reading, how about a little information as to how I could contact you. I have the bug and want to do my homework. I enjoy reading the posts daily and am learning a lot! Thanks for the help! Randy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393782#393782 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!! From: Greg Bacon You're welcome Michael. I just felt it needed to be said. On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Thank you very much Greg. I sir, applaud you for making your statement > publicly on this list. I would guess from time to time people may agree > with what I do, not very many say so in public. > > Mr. Dewenter will do what he feels is the right thing to do, I'm sure. I > get bashed pretty good on here from time to time, I expect it. As someone > recently noted: " People get testy when you try to change things." or > something to that effect. I am only interested in sharing what I am doing > and how I do it. People may do what they wish with that intel. There are > plenty of approved, proven ways to do everything we build. However, to > dismiss a new idea, method or technique out-right is unjust. These new > ideas are so far unproven...not proven worthy, not proven unworthy. I am > willing to take the chance and find out. > > Brian, thank you too for your vote of confidence. > > My apologies if this came across as preaching. > > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > ** > > * > > > * > > -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO NX114D(Mountain Piet) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:14 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Helpful Verses -I will usually recite this one just prior to checking my Pietenpol List email: Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil.-- 8^[ ) Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:53 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Prop. Carving Video Sorry, this is not another HINT Video... It is an old NACA video on making wood propellers, I believe it is in three parts. There may be some good tips in here for those considering making their own. The propeller in the video is a slightly different scale then we need. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:04 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Prop. Carving Video I guess these videos won't really help much, (now that I have wathed all three...) but it is cool to see. I believe these videos show the start of the decline in sitka spruce availability! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Prop. Carving Video From: "Bill Church" Interesting... Probably would be more interesting if there was a video or a link attached, though. :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393798#393798 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:35 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood Prop. Carving Video Did you post a link to these videos (that I missed)? Thanks Barry Davis NX973BP From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Prop. Carving Video Sorry, this is not another HINT Video... It is an old NACA video on making wood propellers, I believe it is in three parts. There may be some good tips in here for those considering making their own. The propeller in the video is a slightly different scale then we need. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Prop. Carving Video From: Gary Boothe Sent from my iPhone On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:32 AM, "Bill Church" wrote: > > Interesting... > Probably would be more interesting if there was a video or a link attached, though. > :) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393798#393798 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:19:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT... my farher's passing..... From: "aerocarjake" In case anyone wonders why I have not posted progress on my Piet for a while...... My dad was a GREAT man - full of passion for hunting, fishing, and bright times with everyone around him. I got his passionate tendency and express it mostly through aviation.... My father will be missed..... http://m.legacy.com/obituaries/SheboyganPress/obituary.aspx?n=Paul-T-Schultz&pid=162903354&referrer=2556&preview=True -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393804#393804 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT... my farher's passing..... From: Gene Rambo So sorry Jake... Gene On Feb 7, 2013, at 3:19 PM, "aerocarjake" wrote: > > In case anyone wonders why I have not posted progress on my Piet for a while...... > > My dad was a GREAT man - full of passion for hunting, fishing, and bright times with everyone around him. I got his passionate tendency and express it mostly through aviation.... My father will be missed..... > > http://m.legacy.com/obituaries/SheboyganPress/obituary.aspx?n=Paul-T-Schultz&pid=162903354&referrer=2556&preview=True > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393804#393804 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:20 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!! Hey, Michael! If you (or anyone) looks over my project -- I won't call it an airplane yet -- they will see a lot of Michael Perez in it (except for the scallops). Personnally, I thank you for your videos. I think I have the first four. (I still don't like the scallops!) Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!! Thank you very much Greg. I sir, applaud you for making your statement publicly on this list. I would guess from time to time people may agree with what I do, not very many say so in public. Mr. Dewenter will do what he feels is the right thing to do, I'm sure. I get bashed pretty good on here from time to time, I expect it. As someone recently noted: " People get testy when you try to change things." or something to that effect. I am only interested in sharing what I am doing and how I do it. People may do what they wish with that intel. There are plenty of approved, proven ways to do everything we build. However, to dismiss a new idea, method or technique out-right is unjust. These new ideas are so far unproven...not proven worthy, not proven unworthy. I am willing to take the chance and find out. Brian, thank you too for your vote of confidence. My apologies if this came across as preaching. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:54 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Prop. Carving Video I missed them also. C ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:35 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood Prop. Carving Video Did you post a link to these videos (that I missed)? Thanks Barry Davis NX973BP From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:53 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Prop. Carving Video Sorry, this is not another HINT Video... It is an old NACA video on making wood propellers, I believe it is in three parts. There may be some good tips in here for those considering making their own. The propeller in the video is a slightly different scale then we need. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:48 PM PST US From: "Scott Knowlton " Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator Cables I was at my friend "the lathe guy" getting some bearings milled for the control pulleys on my torque tube that I've been fabricating this week. When I produced from my pocket the pulley and AN3 bolt that I was going to use to test the fit of the bearing he asked me if the plans called for 3/32 cable from the torque tube to the bellcrank (yes he is a homebuilder as well). I told him that in fact the plans called for 1/8th cable. He informed me that I held in my hand a pulley for 3/32. He was right! And now my torque tube has ears welded on it to hold 3/32 pullies instead of 1/8th pullies. Ordering new pulleys is no big deal but cutting off the ears that I carefully welded on to the torque tube is - somewhat. I have re-done many things in the build process and am fully prepared to re-do the ears, but.... I'd like to hear first if anyone with a Piet has used 3/32 cable from stick to bellcrank for the elevators. Just asking... Scott Knowlton Slow Builder, Burlington Ontario ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:04 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT... my farher's passing..... Me, too. He was younger than I. Hope I can get my Piet in the air before it's my time. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Rambo" Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT... my farher's passing..... > > So sorry Jake... > > Gene > > On Feb 7, 2013, at 3:19 PM, "aerocarjake" wrote: > >> >> >> In case anyone wonders why I have not posted progress on my Piet for a >> while...... >> >> My dad was a GREAT man - full of passion for hunting, fishing, and bright >> times with everyone around him. I got his passionate tendency and express >> it mostly through aviation.... My father will be missed..... >> >> http://m.legacy.com/obituaries/SheboyganPress/obituary.aspx?n=Paul-T-Schultz&pid=162903354&referrer=2556&preview=True >> >> -------- >> Jake Schultz - curator, >> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393804#393804 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT... my farher's passing..... From: Gary Boothe Jake, Blessings upon your father...peace for you. Gary Sent from my iPhone On Feb 7, 2013, at 12:19 PM, "aerocarjake" wrote: > > In case anyone wonders why I have not posted progress on my Piet for a while...... > > My dad was a GREAT man - full of passion for hunting, fishing, and bright times with everyone around him. I got his passionate tendency and express it mostly through aviation.... My father will be missed..... > > http://m.legacy.com/obituaries/SheboyganPress/obituary.aspx?n=Paul-T-Schultz&pid=162903354&referrer=2556&preview=True > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393804#393804 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:39 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rain I am from West Texas. During the great flood in the Bible, we got nearly a half inch! Never Cuss rain, someone needs it. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM STINEMETZE Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rain > > Praise the Lord! We got 0.7 inches of rain in McPherson, KS. I will gladly hold off painting for a while until the humidity goes down. We > are currently about 18 inches behind normal. I feel for you guys > back East, but for us this is a real blessing. > > Tom Stinemetze > N328X > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator Cables From: Gene Rambo It is a general rule that ALL primary flight control cables be 1/8. Certainly the elevator, your life depends on it. The rudder as well. Ailerons, per the plans, are 3/32 and may not be as critical. Of course, some on here feel that universal rules are made to be broken. Gene On Feb 7, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "Scott Knowlton " wrote: > > I was at my friend "the lathe guy" getting some bearings milled for the control pulleys on my torque tube that I've been fabricating this week. When I produced from my pocket the pulley and AN3 bolt that I was going to use to test the fit of the bearing he asked me if the plans called for 3/32 cable from the torque tube to the bellcrank (yes he is a homebuilder as well). I told him that in fact the plans called for 1/8th cable. He informed me that I held in my hand a pulley for 3/32. He was right! And now my torque tube has ears welded on it to hold 3/32 pullies instead of 1/8th pullies. Ordering new pulleys is no big deal but cutting off the ears that I carefully welded on to the torque tube is - somewhat. I have re-done many things in the build process and am fully prepared to re-do the ears, but.... I'd like to hear first if anyone with a Piet has used 3/32 cable from stick to bellcrank for the elevators. Just asking... > > Scott Knowlton > Slow Builder, Burlington Ontario > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:28 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator Cables Scott-- I used 3/32" cables from the bellcrank to the elevators, for my rudder, and ailerons. Just like the plans show and my life has depended on them for 15 years now with no issues. I did switch from ss to galvanized after about 2 years of flying on the elevator cables though due to some itching and chafing :) as it came thru the fabric. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:55 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: machine cutting prop blade at Culver For those who are longing to see a prop cutting video. Pretty neat! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmtMQeoKCu8 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol performance in humid air From: "Jeffro" I am thinking of a pietenpol purchase and was wondering what the performance of an A65 was like in humid conditions here In Florida. I have only lived in the State for a short while but never flown here. ALso, are there any Pietenpol owners near Venice Florida? Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393819#393819 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: machine cutting prop blade at Culver From: Jack Interesting! Looks like some type of resin based glue not epoxy... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Feb 7, 2013, at 3:33 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LL C]" wrote: > For those who are longing to see a prop cutting video. Pretty neat! > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmtMQeoKCu8 > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: machine cutting prop blade at Culver From: "bender" that's pretty cool....but i used a chainsaw Jeff do not archive [Wink] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393821#393821 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:39 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Looking for North Carolina Builders! Hi Randy, Where in North Carolina are you? Chuck Borsuk is doing a beautiful job building his Pietenpol and can certainly be a big help to you. In addition, Wayne Schomp in Greensboro is pretty far along, and Don Lane in Oriental has his Model A powered Pietenpol flying now. I know Ted Stone is building one near Topsail Island. I've seen Don's Piet but have not seen Wayne's or Ted's. If you are near Raleigh or Apex I strongly recommend you join EAA Chapter 1114, which meets at Cox Field in Apex the third Saturday morning of each month for a pancake breakfast and usually has interesting speakers. It is the best EAA Chapter I've ever been a member of, and is very active. At last count there were about 120 members and over 30 active projects under construction, ranging from Chuck's Pietenpol to a Bearhawk, a Dyke Delta, a couple of Sonexes, a couple of Zodiacs and numerous RV's of various types. There are two Technical Counselors (I am one of them) and we are kept pretty busy. I'm at Smith Mountain lake, Virginia, which is just about 2-1/2 hours northwest of Raleigh by car, or 31 minutes by RV-4 (an hour and a half by Pietenpol). I'd be happy to show you my Pietenpol and take you up in it (assuming you are not over 180 lbs) if you want to come up here. I live in our hangar at the airport (W91) while building our house. Matt Paxton is only about 45 minutes away with his Pietenpol near Lexington, Virginia and might be able to come here if you come up to Smith Mountain Lake. Good luck with your project. Have you ordered the plans yet? If considering building a Pietenpol you should acquire and read the four Tony Bingelis books, available from EAA. They will teach you nearly everything you need to know to build a Pietenpol. You should also join the BPA, the Brodhead Pietenpol Association, as its newsletter also contains valuable information specific to building a Pietenpol. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of randycary Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:42 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for North Carolina Builders! Hey Folks. My name is Randy Cary and I am new to the site as of Jan 26 of this year. I have been to Lewisburg NC to see Chuck's project and he told me he thought that there were several builders in central NC, near my home and work. If anyone knows of these folks, or they are reading, how about a little information as to how I could contact you. I have the bug and want to do my homework. I enjoy reading the posts daily and am learning a lot! Thanks for the help! Randy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393782#393782 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:22 PM PST US From: Dave Millikan Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for North Carolina Builders! I have a brother in Raleigh, I live in Inverness, about 70 north of Tampa if you ever come south to avoid the snow- your welcome to visit My Piet is NX1QZ and mostly done except the fuse..VW- motor Dave millikan- N11DMX@yahoo.com --- On Thu, 2/7/13, randycary wrote: From: randycary Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for North Carolina Builders! Hey Folks. My name is Randy Cary and I am new to the site as of Jan 26 of t his year. I have been to Lewisburg NC to see Chuck's project and he told me he thought that there were several builders in central NC, near my home an d work. If anyone knows of these folks, or they are reading, how about a li ttle information as to how I could contact you. I have the bug and want to do my homework. I enjoy reading the posts daily and am learning a lot! Thanks for the help! 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