Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Fri 02/08/13


Total Messages Posted: 30



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     1. 03:38 AM - Re: Re: Wood Prop. Carving Video (Michael Perez)
     2. 03:48 AM - Re: Re: What are we doing!!! (Michael Perez)
     3. 04:06 AM - Re: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) (Michael Perez)
     4. 04:42 AM - Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight) (Jerry Dotson)
     5. 04:47 AM - Re: OT... my farher's passing..... (helspersew@aol.com)
     6. 04:50 AM - Re: Re: What are we doing!!! (helspersew@aol.com)
     7. 05:09 AM - Re: OT... my farher's passing..... (Michael Perez)
     8. 06:04 AM - Re: Pietenpol performance in humid air (Ben Charvet)
     9. 06:10 AM - Re: Looking for North Carolina Builders! (randycary)
    10. 06:21 AM - Mike P's trailing edge (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    11. 07:00 AM - Re: Mike P's trailing edge (Michael Perez)
    12. 07:18 AM - Re: OT... my farher's passing..... (aerocarjake)
    13. 08:03 AM - Re: Mike P's trailing edge (tkreiner)
    14. 08:24 AM - Re: Mike P's trailing edge (AircamperN11MS)
    15. 10:18 AM - List of mistakes (so far) (Robert Dewenter)
    16. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: What are we doing!!! (C N Campbell)
    17. 11:39 AM - Building a Piet (C N Campbell)
    18. 12:59 PM - Re: Building a Piet (Chris Rusch)
    19. 01:00 PM - Some decals went on today! (Chris Rusch)
    20. 01:21 PM - Re: Mike P's trailing edge (Ray Krause)
    21. 01:27 PM - Re: Some decals went on today! (Jack)
    22. 01:55 PM - Attack? (what are we doping here?) (Greg Bacon)
    23. 02:14 PM - Re: Mike P's trailing edge (dgaldrich)
    24. 02:33 PM - Re: Pietenpol performance in humid air (Jeffro)
    25. 02:35 PM - Re: Some decals went on today! (K5YAC)
    26. 02:57 PM - Re: Some decals went on today! (Michael Perez)
    27. 04:52 PM - Re: Attack? (what are we doping here?) (Charles Burkholder)
    28. 06:38 PM - Re: Some decals went on today! (Jim Boyer)
    29. 06:50 PM - Attacking in a new direction? (No doping here just latex) (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
    30. 06:59 PM - Re: Attacking in a new direction? (No doping here just latex) (Ken Bickers)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:38:07 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Wood Prop. Carving Video
    Ooops.- That first link I sent was footage of our latest cloaking device testing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9UbnJlhrHA Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 03:48:37 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: What are we doing!!!
    Thank you Chuck. You must be quite far along with your build, it seemed you were really making great progress.- How about an update? I recall you telling me right away you were not of fan of my trailing edge. You STILL have not changed your mind.- You will.- (Waving hand like a Jedi.)- 8^[ ) Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A


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    Time: 04:06:41 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight)
    Well, I blew it on the wing panel weight...I did not include the aileron! So, NOW as a complete ready to fly wing panel, it weighs in at 50#. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 04:42:19 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight)
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    Terry, My wing weight was 155# that included the tank and 1" thick unrouted spruce spars and a 32 1/2 foot span -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393846#393846


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    Time: 04:47:52 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: OT... my farher's passing.....
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Jake, Very sorry for your loss. I am sure your beloved Dad had a profound impact on you. It sounds like you were very fortunate to have had him in your life . Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: aerocarjake <flight.jake@gmail.com> Sent: Fri, Feb 8, 2013 6:24 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT... my farher's passing..... In case anyone wonders why I have not posted progress on my Piet for a while...... My dad was a GREAT man - full of passion for hunting, fishing, and bright t imes with everyone around him. I got his passionate tendency and express it most ly through aviation.... My father will be missed..... http://m.legacy.com/obituaries/SheboyganPress/obituary.aspx?n=Paul-T-Schu ltz&pid=162903354&referrer=2556&preview=True -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393804#393804


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    Time: 04:50:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: What are we doing!!!
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Scallops? NOW you have gone TOO far!!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: C N Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> Sent: Fri, Feb 8, 2013 6:23 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!! Hey, Michael! If you (or anyone) looks over my project -- I won't call it an airplane yet -- they will see a lot of Michael Perez in it (except for t he scallops). Personnally, I thank you for your videos. I think I have th e first four. (I still don't like the scallops!) Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!! Thank you very much Greg. I sir, applaud you for making your statem ent publicly on this list. I would guess from time to time people m ay agree with what I do, not very many say so in public. Mr. Dewenter will do what he feels is the right thing to do, I'm su re. I get bashed pretty good on here from time to time, I expect i t. As someone recently noted: " People get testy when you try to ch ange things." or something to that effect. I am only interested in sharing what I am doing and how I do it. People may do what they wish with that intel. There are plenty of approved, proven ways to do everything we build. However, to dismiss a new idea, method or technique out-right is unjust. These new ideas are so far unproven...not prove n worthy, not proven unworthy. I am willing to take the chance and find out. Brian, thank you too for your vote of confidence. My apologies if this came across as preaching. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 05:09:26 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: OT... my farher's passing.....
    Sorry for your loss Jake. My condolences.- Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A


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    Time: 06:04:58 AM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol performance in humid air
    I've been flying my Piet with an A-65 for3 years here in Titusville, Fl. Of course performance is better on a cool dry day, but it is still acceptable on warm humid days. Mine weighs 700 pounds empty and I weigh about#175, and have carried a passenger about my weight too. Find out how much the airplane weighs, as there is quite a range. I grossed mine at 1200 pounds and have flown it a gross a few times. If you are a big guy make sure you fit, and that the airplane will still be in weight and balance with you in the rear seat (the pilot sits a few feet aft of the CG) Ben Charvet Titusville Fl NX866BC, closing in on 160 hours On 2/7/2013 4:52 PM, Jeffro wrote: > > I am thinking of a pietenpol purchase and was wondering what the performance of an A65 was like in humid conditions here In Florida. I have only lived in the State for a short while but never flown here. ALso, are there any Pietenpol owners near Venice Florida? > > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393819#393819 > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center


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    Time: 06:10:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Looking for North Carolina Builders!
    From: "randycary" <randycary@hotmail.com>
    Thanks to all for the replies! Can't wait to see several planes soon! -------- randy cary Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393852#393852


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    Time: 06:21:46 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: Mike P's trailing edge
    I have to say I visited Mike P's project a few times during these past 4 ye ars or so and his trailing edge could cut thru a pillar of concrete if you hit is just right. Light and st rong. There won't be any hangar rash or dents in the back of his TE. I wouldn't want to bang my head into that walking around the hangar or doing a preflight: )! Mike C.


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    Time: 07:00:46 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Mike P's trailing edge
    Thank you Mike!- Stop over anytime to see what I have done since the last time you were over. I have accomplished a lot since then. Always like to h ave you look it over from time to time.- (Again, the mags timed really nice...thank you.) Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A


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    Time: 07:18:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: OT... my farher's passing.....
    From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
    Thank you everyone for your kind words and thoughts.... it is greatly appreciated...... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393857#393857


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    Time: 08:03:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Mike P's trailing edge
    From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com>
    Sounds very nice... How about a few pics? -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393861#393861


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    Time: 08:24:42 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Mike P's trailing edge
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    It sounds like you will need to issue Kevlar reinforced hats to all of your aircraft lookie-loos after you get it completed. Or big signs that say "DUCK". -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393862#393862


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    Time: 10:18:50 AM PST US
    From: "Robert Dewenter" <rdewenter@woh.rr.com>
    Subject: List of mistakes (so far)
    For those builders who are just getting started, I am passing along a list of mistakes I have made (so far). I have completed much of the fuselage, numerous metal fittings, some tail feathers, landing gear, and the turtle deck. Do with this info as you like. In another post Ill hit on the "few" things I did really right! -AN3 bolts will not go through a 3/16" hole in metal fittings - you need a #10 drill bit. Luckily #10 is larger than 3/16". -Going straight from plans, (and failing to think ahead) the straight axle landing gear fittings bolts and the 2" ash blocks running side-side on the fuselage floor are in conflict. Knowing this I would have modified the metal fittings (as other smart folks did). I epoxied the 2" wood spreader to the fuse floor long before thinking about the LG. -The metal fittings (wing strut attach points) that protrude through the LG fittings need to sit a pocket in the fuselage floor (belly side). The plans clearly show this - but I failed to see this detail initially. -I made 3 of the 5 tail feather parts in 2005 before I ever heard of West Coast Piets! The gussets sit in the rabbit / routed "inner" portion of the corners, not "ON TOP" of the outer edges I routinely visit West Coast Piets web site and look at other builders' fine work before starting each component. -Mashing (sorry, forming) 4130 tube ends. THINK a little before that second end is formed - make sure the alignment is right when you put the tube into the vice. I made the rudder bar support twice! -The small "L" shaped tail brackets - I thought I was being "smart" when I made 8 sets of "matching pairs". I drilled the holes two pieces at a time (in a small jig I made). I also thought it was smart to "offset the bolt holes off the centerline". Then I bent all 16 pieces the same direction -OOOPS-I discovered each matched pair needs one bent "left" and one to the "right" due to the holes being offset. -Bench vices - get the biggest one that works in your shop space. 2" wide .090" 4130 is tough stuff and a big vice helps! Forming 3/4" tubing is also easier in a large vice. Anyone need a 3" vice? -It's hard to find 9/32" AN bolts. Plan on AN-5 (5/16). As I make more goofs, I'll keep you all posted so you might avoid them during your build. Likewise, I'll post some things I think really helped along with some photos. Bob Dewenter Dayton OH


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    Time: 11:18:15 AM PST US
    From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: What are we doing!!!
    Michael, I'm not as far along as I should be. My wife has had a lot of sickness and I have been neglecting the Piet more than I would have liked. The wing panels are complete except for the rib bracing and the pitot tube installation. The tail pieces are complete. (This is all uncovered!!!) The fuselage is getting there. I have installed the rudder PEDALS (I cannot immagine a rudder bar. I have never even seen an airplane with one -- much less tried to fly one.) Along with the pedals I have installed the toe-operated brake master cylinders. Incidentally, I am not putting controls in the front seat. I have heard of too many instances of interference from un-knowing passengers, one, that I know of, causing the airplane to crash. I don't think I will have other pilots in the front that much. If they are there they will have to be content to just ride. The fuselage is perhaps 3/4 finished. I still have to build the landing gear. I have the wheels with axels and brakes but they are not installed. Also, I have to have my welder make my engine mount. I have the material but no jig built as yet. Maybe I can fly before the end of the summer. I'm not concerned about the covering and painting. Been down that road with a Piper Pacer I rebuilt in the '80's. We'll see. Love to see some pictures of your project. Gotta go, Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 6:48 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!! Thank you Chuck. You must be quite far along with your build, it seemed you were really making great progress. How about an update? I recall you telling me right away you were not of fan of my trailing edge. You STILL have not changed your mind. You will. (Waving hand like a Jedi.) 8^[ ) Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 11:39:58 AM PST US
    From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Building a Piet
    Randy, my name is Chuck Campbell and live in Winston-Salem. My Piet is about 3/4 complete. The wings and tail surfaces are ready for covering and the fuselage is about 3/4 finished. Haven't put it on wheels yet and haven't gotten the engine mount done. Hope to get it covered and flying by the end of the summer. But am not holding my breath on that. NX-10003 Chuck


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    Time: 12:59:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Building a Piet
    From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
    Post some pictures! I would love to see it -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted. Wings covered and primed, one painted Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393876#393876


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    Time: 01:00:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Some decals went on today!
    From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
    It starting to come together! -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted. Wings covered and primed, one painted Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393877#393877 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_179.jpg


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    Time: 01:21:28 PM PST US
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Mike P's trailing edge
    What did he use for the TE? Ray Krause SkyScout Sent from my iPad On Feb 8, 2013, at 6:21 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LL C]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: > I have to say I visited Mike P=99s project a few times during these p ast 4 years or so and his trailing edge > could cut thru a pillar of concrete if you hit is just right. Light and s trong. There won=99t be any hangar rash or > dents in the back of his TE. I wouldn=99t want to bang my head i nto that walking around the hangar or doing > a preflight: )! > > Mike C. > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 01:27:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Some decals went on today!
    From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
    Chris it looks great except the color :) you beat me! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Feb 8, 2013, at 3:00 PM, "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com> wrote: > > It starting to come together! > > -------- > NX321LR > Fully Assembled > Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted. > Wings covered and primed, one painted > Mitsubishi Powered > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393877#393877 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_179.jpg > > > > > > >


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    Time: 01:55:23 PM PST US
    Subject: Attack? (what are we doping here?)
    From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
    Bob, I apologize for missing your point, the one in your "what are we doing" thread. Apparently, I couldn't see it for the awful way it was presented. I mean, you referred to Michael as an "entity" for crying out loud! And, I apologize for offending you by characterizing your "what are we doing!!!" thread as an attack on Michael Perez. Whatever it was or whatever your intentions were, it sounded WAY wrong. It sounded like you were calling into questions his skills, judgement, and integrity. You seemed to imply that he was profiting from selling his questionably "safe" information and putting people in potential danger. And, you implied that the Piet list folks were wrong for "allowing" it to happen. With a little more thought, you could have gotten answers to your three questions without offending a lot of people. Your thread offended many and wasted a lot of people's time. And now you have offended me again with your passive aggressive subject line "Attack? (what are we doping here?)". Is this your way of calling me a dope for calling you out publicly for your inconsiderate treatment of Michael. Sounds like it, but maybe you're making a different point. It's so hard to tell. Think about it sir. And, yes, you still owe Michael Perez a profound apology. No matter how you spin it, he was offended. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Robert Dewenter <rdewenter@woh.rr.com> Subject: FW: Attack? (what are we doping here?) Greg, I did not mean to exclude you.**** ** ** ** ** *From:* Robert Dewenter [mailto:rdewenter@woh.rr.com] *Sent:* Friday, February 08, 2013 3:13 PM *To:* 'brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com' *Cc:* 'speedbrake@sbcglobal.net' *Subject:* Attack? (what are we doping here?)**** ** ** Brian, Mike**** ** ** I most certainly did not Attack anyone. I asked three questions=85I was asking if the info I was given was accurate. In fact the point of the post, which you missed was to find out if the people on this list were allowing dangerous information to be spread.**** ** ** As it turns out, the answer was no. While People are making unique construction and then selling this to others as advice, it=92s not dangerou s information, just information that is different and unique. I have no problem with anyone being unique and trying to come up with better solutions. I do have a problem with unsafe information being passed as good advice. When I find an example Ill point it out.**** ** ** I think you need to be more careful before accusing someone of attacking another.**** ** ** Bob Dewenter**** Dayton OH**** ** ** ** ** ** ** -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO NX114D(Mountain Piet)


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    Time: 02:14:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Mike P's trailing edge
    From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
    The REAL question is: Will it more painful than joining the "red diamond" club? Dave Aldrich Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393888#393888


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    Time: 02:33:50 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol performance in humid air
    From: "Jeffro" <Jeffgabes@yahoo.com>
    Thanks Ben I am about 6ft 1 and 190 lbs or so, so may be looking for a stretched fuse. I need to find a PIet I can sit in to make sure I do fit. Looking at Bill Reweys or maybe another one I saw. I have tons of questions of course. Thanks for you're reply. Jeff Gabrielson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393891#393891


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    Time: 02:35:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Some decals went on today!
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    Looks nice! Looking a bit beyond the olive drab... what is the OTHER spoked rim attached to? Hmmmm -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393892#393892


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    Time: 02:57:34 PM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Some decals went on today!
    Chris, that looks great! I love the war-bird look of the decal...and the wing color. We have similar tastes is this regard. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 04:52:28 PM PST US
    From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly@abcmailbox.net>
    Subject: Re: Attack? (what are we doping here?)
    would you guys STOP. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Bacon To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Attack? (what are we doping here?) Bob, I apologize for missing your point, the one in your "what are we doing" thread. Apparently, I couldn't see it for the awful way it was presented. I mean, you referred to Michael as an "entity" for crying out loud! And, I apologize for offending you by characterizing your "what are we doing!!!" thread as an attack on Michael Perez. Whatever it was or whatever your intentions were, it sounded WAY wrong. It sounded like you were calling into questions his skills, judgement, and integrity. You seemed to imply that he was profiting from selling his questionably "safe" information and putting people in potential danger. And, you implied that the Piet list folks were wrong for "allowing" it to happen. With a little more thought, you could have gotten answers to your three questions without offending a lot of people. Your thread offended many and wasted a lot of people's time. And now you have offended me again with your passive aggressive subject line "Attack? (what are we doping here?)". Is this your way of calling me a dope for calling you out publicly for your inconsiderate treatment of Michael. Sounds like it, but maybe you're making a different point. It's so hard to tell. Think about it sir. And, yes, you still owe Michael Perez a profound apology. No matter how you spin it, he was offended. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Robert Dewenter <rdewenter@woh.rr.com> Date: Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:18 PM Subject: FW: Attack? (what are we doping here?) To: gbacon67@gmail.com Greg, I did not mean to exclude you. From: Robert Dewenter [mailto:rdewenter@woh.rr.com] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 3:13 PM To: 'brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com' Cc: 'speedbrake@sbcglobal.net' Subject: Attack? (what are we doping here?) Brian, Mike I most certainly did not Attack anyone. I asked three questions=85I was asking if the info I was given was accurate. In fact the point of the post, which you missed was to find out if the people on this list were allowing dangerous information to be spread. As it turns out, the answer was no. While People are making unique construction and then selling this to others as advice, it=92s not dangerous information, just information that is different and unique. I have no problem with anyone being unique and trying to come up with better solutions. I do have a problem with unsafe information being passed as good advice. When I find an example Ill point it out. I think you need to be more careful before accusing someone of attacking another. Bob Dewenter Dayton OH -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO NX114D(Mountain Piet) No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 02/08/13


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    Time: 06:38:38 PM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Some decals went on today!
    Very n ice; tha t between the wars star has always been my favorite. Jim B.


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    Time: 06:50:39 PM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Attacking in a new direction? (No doping here just latex)
    OK after several years of sitting on the fence I made the leap. I purchased John Kuhfahl's Pietenpol project. John has fixed everything right. He did all the technical stuff. John did a a great job, he pulled off anything that he thought needed work and redid it. His standards are very high. I am very fortunate to have been in a position in my life where I was able to get this great plane. I happened to have the money, a place to work on the plane and my wife was in a good mood (I bought her a new car. while I drive a tiny old Corolla and a 24 year old Suburban.) John overhauled the Continental A65. It is a total job, carb and mags were overhauled as well. John has a very good reputation here in this area for his engine work, especially on small Continentals. He totally restored an Ercoupe to show winning quality. It is my intention to complete what needs to be done to fly safely, then I will finish assembly and go fly. Then I will come back and look at such things as paint jobs, upholstery and other trim items. I do want to put heel brakes in the front cockpit. Later, for now I will do what I need to to get it flying. In a month, I will be moving out of this blasted apartment into a place with a garage. I will bring the plane there so that I can get work done every day. I hope to have it pretty much ready in three months. John and I have been friends for years and we feel like it has been kept "within the family." I hangar my Bonanza at 8t8 where John lives and has his hangar. I am buying a hangar there and have many friends there. Indeed the plane was begun by the 8T8 EAA chapter (35) and when they stalled, it was taken over by the chapter president. He completed it about 1975. It was later sold to anouther 8T8 pilot. He flew it until about 1993 and then stuck it in his garage. John bought it from him about 2 years ago and started work. I don't think it has ever been based anywhere but 8T8. Blue Skies, Steve D


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    Time: 06:59:18 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Attacking in a new direction? (No doping here just
    latex)
    From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
    Steve, this is great. And congratulations to John, too, for finding his project a new home that is a familiar home. I got to see it a couple of years ago when he was just beginning the restoration. It sounds like he's done a nice job of it. Cheers, Ken On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote: > > OK after several years of sitting on the fence I made the leap. I purchased John Kuhfahl's Pietenpol project. > > John has fixed everything right. He did all the technical stuff. John did a a great job, he pulled off anything that he thought needed work and redid it. His standards are very high. I am very fortunate to have been in a position in my life where I was able to get this great plane. I happened to have the money, a place to work on the plane and my wife was in a good mood (I bought her a new car. while I drive a tiny old Corolla and a 24 year old Suburban.) > > John overhauled the Continental A65. It is a total job, carb and mags were overhauled as well. John has a very good reputation here in this area for his engine work, especially on small Continentals. He totally restored an Ercoupe to show winning quality. > > It is my intention to complete what needs to be done to fly safely, then I will finish assembly and go fly. Then I will come back and look at such things as paint jobs, upholstery and other trim items. I do want to put heel brakes in the front cockpit. Later, for now I will do what I need to to get it flying. In a month, I will be moving out of this blasted apartment into a place with a garage. I will bring the plane there so that I can get work done every day. I hope to have it pretty much ready in three months. > > John and I have been friends for years and we feel like it has been kept "within the family." I hangar my Bonanza at 8t8 where John lives and has his hangar. I am buying a hangar there and have many friends there. Indeed the plane was begun by the 8T8 EAA chapter (35) and when they stalled, it was taken over by the chapter president. He completed it about 1975. It was later sold to anouther 8T8 pilot. He flew it until about 1993 and then stuck it in his garage. John bought it from him about 2 years ago and started work. I don't think it has ever been based anywhere but 8T8. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > >




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