---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/09/13: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:23 AM - Re: Attacking in a new direction? (No doping here just latex) (K5YAC) 2. 08:07 AM - Re: Some decals went on today! (TriScout) 3. 01:38 PM - drilling streamling tubing (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 4. 02:02 PM - Re: drilling streamling tubing (Gene Rambo) 5. 02:11 PM - Re: drilling streamling tubing (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 6. 02:22 PM - Re: drilling streamling tubing (tools) 7. 02:34 PM - Re: drilling streamling tubing (skipgadd@earthlink.net) 8. 03:15 PM - landing gear questions (JOSEPH SWITHIN) 9. 03:45 PM - Re: landing gear questions (K5YAC) 10. 03:48 PM - Re: landing gear questions (tools) 11. 03:48 PM - drilling streamlined tubing (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 12. 04:24 PM - Re: Some decals went on today! (jarheadpilot82) 13. 04:46 PM - Re: drilling streamling tubing (Chris) 14. 06:56 PM - ribblett/ piet airfoils (proplock) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attacking in a new direction? (No doping here just latex) From: "K5YAC" Sounds like a fun project... neat that is has changed hands several times but never left home. Good Luck with that! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393908#393908 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Some decals went on today! From: "TriScout" That'll look really neat. Demo it to the Army Air Corp when done. They may just put in an order for a fleet of them for recon work over Afghanistan. Senate should approve them, since they're budget friendly. Larry N2308C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393919#393919 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:44 PM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Pietenpol-List: drilling streamling tubing I am trying to figure out how to drill the cabanne struts, but drawing a blank. If the stuff was round then a vee block would hold it, but streamlined tubing doesn=99t work in a v shape. Holes need to be on the same plane lengthwise and also not drilled twisted if you understand what I mean. What is the secret method everyone else is using? Dennis ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: drilling streamling tubing From: Gene Rambo Calibrated eyeball. Level the tube length with the table. Sight from the end (looking into the s treamline) to make sure going through tube in proper plane. Bushing going in anyway, right? Can be a little off but make sure bushing is square before w elding. Gene On Feb 9, 2013, at 4:41 PM, "Dennis Engelkenjohn" wrot e: > I am trying to figure out how to drill the cabanne struts, but drawing a b lank. If the stuff was round then a vee block would hold it, but streamlined tubing doesn=99t work in a v shape. Holes need to be on the same plan e lengthwise and also not drilled twisted if you understand what I mean. Wha t is the secret method everyone else is using? > Dennis > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:52 PM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: drilling streamling tubing Shoot.... I was afraid of that. Being really nearsighted, I mean coke bottle glasses nearsighted, my calibration is not precise. Get what you mean with the bushing though, dremel tool being my buddy almost as much as my Fein tool. Dennis From: Gene Rambo Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 4:02 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: drilling streamling tubing Calibrated eyeball. Level the tube length with the table. Sight from the end (looking into the streamline) to make sure going through tube in proper plane. Bushing going in anyway, right? Can be a little off but make sure bushing is square before welding. Gene On Feb 9, 2013, at 4:41 PM, "Dennis Engelkenjohn" wrote: I am trying to figure out how to drill the cabanne struts, but drawing a blank. If the stuff was round then a vee block would hold it, but streamlined tubing doesn=99t work in a v shape. Holes need to be on the same plane lengthwise and also not drilled twisted if you understand what I mean. What is the secret method everyone else is using? Dennis ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: drilling streamling tubing From: "tools" I mark where I need the hole on both sides. I make saddles to hold the stock on the bandsaw. I drill each side separately, undersized. I assemble the whole mess, step drill closer, then ream to fit. Important to have a really sharp self centering drill bit (I sharpen my own using a 4 facet method), but off the shelf chisel points work pretty well too. High speed generally works better in thin metal as well to prevent wandering. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393937#393937 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:34 PM PST US From: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: drilling streamling tubing Hi Dennis, Gene gave you the quick and sensible method, here is my "do everything the hardest possible way method". Make a cardboard cutout profile of the streamlined tube from leading edge to max of the minor dimension, use this to mark the same spot on each end. Cut a wood profile from mid LE to mid TE, use this as a saddle when you drill the hole at each end. And after you weld the first bushing, stick a rod or bolt in it to use as a site when you weld in the other end. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Engelkenjohn Sent: 2/9/2013 4:40:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: drilling streamling tubing I am trying to figure out how to drill the cabanne struts, but drawing a blank. If the stuff was round then a vee block would hold it, but streamlined tubing doesnt work in a v shape. Holes need to be on the same plane lengthwise and also not drilled twisted if you understand what I mean. What is the secret method everyone else is using? Dennis ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:46 PM PST US From: JOSEPH SWITHIN Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing gear questions Thanks to Chris, Oscar, Mark Chouinard, Mark McKellar, & Terry Hand for your responses. Does anyone know who sells back copies of the BPA Newsletters? They sound like they would be good to have around. Thanks Joe Swithin Gathering parts ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing gear questions From: "K5YAC" I think Markle is selling them. [Laughing] -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393940#393940 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing gear questions From: "tools" Contact Doc Mosher, sure he's got them as well. Not sure if he's also got all the OLD ones, I bought ALL of them from day 1 until the mid '90s (Frank P and Grant M days) and have them here if you just can't find them. Pretty sure they're available though. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393941#393941 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:56 PM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Pietenpol-List: drilling streamlined tubing Thanks for the help guys! I was thinking about Skips method but was hoping someone had an easy to make jig or fixture. That=99s what will probably go with. Dennis ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Some decals went on today! From: "jarheadpilot82" Where did you get/order the decals? -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393943#393943 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:33 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: drilling streamling tubing Dennis I just got finished fabricating my cabanne struts. Attached are pictures of the jig I used to hold the struts for drilling. Worked great for me. Problem was my drill press holes and my holes in the lower fittings were not perfectly aligned. My cabannes were not vertical when I bolted them in. To fix it I ended up remaking the inner lower fittings and used the cabanne as a drill guide while holding the cabanne vertical. Alternatively, what I did for the upper bolt holes was to drill one side the correct size and one just slightly larger. Then I tacked the bushing into the cabanne holes on the tight fitting side and check its fit into the upper wing fitting. If it needed adjustment, and they all did, I was able to move it around with a light blow from a hammer. When I had it where I wanted it I tacked it on the other side, and checked its fit. When I was happy I completed the welding. Took a long time waiting for it to cool between fitting but it worked. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Engelkenjohn Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 1:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: drilling streamling tubing I am trying to figure out how to drill the cabanne struts, but drawing a blank. If the stuff was round then a vee block would hold it, but streamlined tubing doesn't work in a v shape. Holes need to be on the same plane lengthwise and also not drilled twisted if you understand what I mean. What is the secret method everyone else is using? Dennis ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: ribblett/ piet airfoils From: "proplock" let's muddy the waters a little more, how does the dasterly GN-1 airfoil compare? supposedly the g-1 was an improvement, but how so? -------- A remarkable lad , capable of many things Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393946#393946 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.