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1. 04:15 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Jerry Dotson)
2. 05:02 AM - Re: Re: Flying Lessons Continue (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 05:15 AM - Re: Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Jack)
4. 05:17 AM - Re: Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
5. 05:22 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (jarheadpilot82)
6. 05:39 AM - Re: Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Gardiner)
7. 06:10 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (C N Campbell)
8. 06:12 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (proplock)
9. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: Flying Lessons Continue (C N Campbell)
10. 06:37 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Gene Rambo)
11. 07:00 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (C N Campbell)
12. 07:01 AM - lefty righty (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
13. 07:31 AM - Re: Some decals went on today! (Chris Rusch)
14. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: Flying Lessons Continue (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
15. 07:58 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Dan Yocum)
16. 08:05 AM - Re: fabricating music wire springs (Michael Perez)
17. 08:08 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Michael Perez)
18. 08:13 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Michael Perez)
19. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Michael Perez)
20. 08:39 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Jack Phillips)
21. 08:43 AM - Re: lefty righty (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
22. 08:44 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (John Francis)
23. 08:47 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Marcus Zechini)
24. 09:09 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Gene Rambo)
25. 09:55 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
26. 10:03 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Marcus Zechini)
27. 10:04 AM - Wheel Spoke Size (Fred Kim)
28. 10:21 AM - Re: Wheel Spoke Size (Michael Perez)
29. 10:25 AM - Re: Wheel Spoke Size (Gary Boothe)
30. 10:34 AM - Re: Wheel Spoke Size (Jim Boyer)
31. 10:51 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Jack Phillips)
32. 11:04 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Robert Gow)
33. 11:32 AM - Re: Some decals went on today! (TriScout)
34. 12:11 PM - Re: Wheel Spoke Size (Michael Perez)
35. 12:11 PM - Re: Wheel Spoke Size (Gary Boothe)
36. 01:32 PM - Steam pipe (bender)
37. 01:59 PM - Re: Steam pipe (Gene Rambo)
38. 03:35 PM - Re: Wheel Spoke Size (Fred Kim)
39. 05:02 PM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Charles Burkholder)
40. 05:18 PM - Re: Some decals went on today! (kevinpurtee)
41. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: Flying Lessons Continue (shad bell)
42. 06:46 PM - Re: Wheel Spoke Size (Greg Cardinal)
43. 06:59 PM - Re: Re: Flying Lessons Continue (airlion2@gmail.com)
44. 07:26 PM - Re: OT... my farher's passing..... (aerocarjake)
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Left hand throttle, right hand stick in a Piet?? Dan I know you are a purist and
I did deviate from the plans a little bit. I asked the question "What would
Bernard Pietenpol do?" He said if you are left handed put the throttle on the
right side.
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Flying in phase 2
Lycoming O-235 C2C
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
Jerry,
Are you sure he said that? You are going to have to prove that one to me. :
O)
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net>
Sent: Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:15 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue
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Left hand throttle, right hand stick in a Piet?? Dan I know you are a puri
st
and I did deviate from the plans a little bit. I asked the question "What w
ould
Bernard Pietenpol do?" He said if you are left handed put the throttle on t
he
right side.
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First flight June 16,2012
Flying in phase 2
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
Way to go Jerry!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:14 AM, "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net> wrote:
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> Left hand throttle, right hand stick in a Piet?? Dan I know you are a purist
and I did deviate from the plans a little bit. I asked the question "What would
Bernard Pietenpol do?" He said if you are left handed put the throttle on the
right side.
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> Jerry Dotson
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> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
I reiterate. Don't over think this. I am very right handed. Yet I have jumped from
stick to wheel (Tcraft) to yoke and then to the joystick on the computer.
Right hand to left hand, right side to left side. Toe brakes to heel brakes. One
of my early instructors simply told me "Don't think about it, fly the plane!"
Two thots, what is better, dominant hand on the control doing the most important
function, or using your dominant hand to do all the special details such as
turning knobs, carb heat, setting freqs, adjusting throttles, holding maps, opening
the thermos and scratching and waiving to our admiring fans? Makes no difference
to me.
Shut up and fly the plane. If you want put the controls where you want, I will
adjust.
I fire weapons right and left handed, Right is better than left. But i am still
effective. It just takes practice.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue
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> Left hand throttle, right hand stick in a Piet?? Dan I know you are a purist
and I did deviate from the plans a little bit. I asked the question
> "What would Bernard Pietenpol do?" He said if you are left handed
> put the throttle on the right side.
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> Jerry Dotson
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> Flying in phase 2
> Lycoming O-235 C2C
> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
When I first was a Student Naval Aviator many years ago, I was worried that I would
not be able to fly with my right hand (actually I was worried I wouldn't
be able to fly - period. But I digress). However, it really came naturally and
I found it to be an advantage when it came to flying instruments. I could write
down the clearance and not have to change hands. The right handed guys had
to fly with their left hand so they could write on their kneeboard. A slight advantage
to us lefties. Maybe the guys that first started designing military cockpits
were lefties and wanted to get back at the righties![Wink]
Flying right handed will take you minutes to get used to-I promise.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
On 2/11/2013 8:14 AM, Jack wrote:
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> Way to go Jerry!
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> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
> On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:14 AM, "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Left hand throttle, right hand stick in a Piet?? Dan I know you are a purist
and I did deviate from the plans a little bit. I asked the question "What would
Bernard Pietenpol do?" He said if you are left handed put the throttle on
the right side.
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>> Jerry Dotson
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>> Lycoming O-235 C2C
>> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a
Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that
some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in
the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as
well. Any advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever
attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked
he let me do it.)
Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high
jack" John's original post.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
Hang in there, a lot to comprehend at first but it will get easier. I had a slight
problem with rudders, so being an ole farm boy practiced while row crop cultivating,
steer to right, apply left brake, resulted in straight ahead, of course
I soon burned the brakes out, but ,hey, I learned. [Wink] Throttle on left
hand, stick on right: was a natural as i spent years flying RC, and that helped
tremendously. Used to practice rudder on RC by standing on one foot then
the other. Summation: what ever works!
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A remarkable lad , capable of many things
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
Ditto on the early landing bit. When I was instructing primary, the student
did takeoffs (with a lot of help) right from the start. But he/she didn't
even attempt landing until the airwork was pretty well done correctly. From
that point on each lesson had a little airwork review and then the rest of
the period would be landing after landing after landing (mostly touch and
go) until ready for solo. I taught one thing at a time -- don't confuse the
student with too much at first. C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> John, Ditto what everyone else has said. and now for some miscelanneious
> advice:
>
> Your landings suck because your instructor is not teaching you to land
> yet! He is teaching your straight and level, climbs, descents, turns and
> many other things that will be put togather to teach you to land. The only
> reason you have done 3 landings is because the plane had to land at the
> end of the lesson. Your instructor is doing it right and you are OK!
>
> As long as you enjoy your flight training overall, you will love flying.
>
> You will have some plateaus where you don't feel like you are progressing.
> Some days you will be discouraged, But remember you are doing something
> most people don't even consider possible. A bad day flying is better than
> a good day at work! (unless you bend a plane.)
>
> On the rudder. At least your instructor talks to you. My Aeronca Champ
> tailwheel instructor rolled up a sectional and would hit me on the head
> and scream "step on the ball" I still don't feel it in the seat of my
> pants the way he did.) When I took a sailplane flight the instructor
> complemented my use of rudders.
>
> Regarding being overwhelmed in the traffic pattern. Your instructor is
> right look at everything. But remember you can't do 5 things at once, you
> only have to do two things at a time. 1. fly the plane, 2 any one other
> thing (first watch altitude, then look outside, then glance at airspeed,
> then look outside, remember you only hit the flaps 2 or three times at
> specific places, then look outside, you are looking for traffic while you
> are looking outside. Your instructor is making sure that you don't get
> fixated on any one thing. IE looking outside for traffic and letting
> airspeed deteriorate or fixing on the airspeed indicator and swapping
> paint with anouther plane,......
>
> When You feel like it is too much too fast. Ask your instructor if y'all
> can just go to the practice area and fly around. maybe redo some of the
> earlier flight lesson info. just a little confidence building time.
>
> However, you do want your instructor to push you to the next level.
>
> Don't try to push the controls around to make the plane do what you want.
> Put pressure the way you want the plane to go. then adjust the pressure to
> get what you want.
>
> If you walk away from the landing you will get better. Later on you will
> learn how to lie. "Boy that was a smooth landing, now everyone get ready
> for the speed bump!"
>
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on 140.
Gene
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net> wrot
e:
> Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a C
essna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that some
of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in the 120
to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Perez
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
>
> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any ad
vise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts taxing
around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do it.)
>
> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" Joh
n's original post.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr
onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
OK. you're right, Gene. I remember now that the only difference was
the flaps. I think anyone who plans on building/flying a Piet should,
if at all possible, train in a stick-controlled airplane. That goes for
you, too, Michael. Find someone with a Cub, T-craft, or some such
aircraft and learn RIGHT right from the start. If you have to learn
with a yoke, ask the instructor to let you learn from the right seat to
get used to flying the airplane with your right hand and doing all the
other stuff with your left. Think that would work? C
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on
140.
Gene
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell"
<cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They
owned a Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you
saying that some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went
from sticks in the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120?
:) Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140
as well. Any advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first
ever attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say
otherwise...shocked he let me do it.)
Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to
"high jack" John's original post.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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What's funny is that 90% of us learned to fly with our left hand in a yoked
airplane yet 90% of us are probably
right handed so we started right off the bat flying with the hand we're not
dominant in yet did well. I flew left
handed for 10 years and when we bought a Champ going to the right hand was
literally a no brainer and no matter
what hand you choose to fly with a stick in an airplane feels 100% more nat
ural than a yoke. (least to me anyway).
The first few hours of flying lessons can be overwhelming with all that is
going on that we're not used to. Some great
advice given John. Give yourself time. And as others have said, 40 hour
s for a private is the FAA minimum. Few
are ready for the private checkride at 40 hours or they don't have all the
night or cross country time required yet.
Mark Chouinard made a great point in that he too his checkride with many ho
urs compared to his buddy but his buddy
wishes he would have had more time, not just the minimum. I soloed pretty
quickly at 5 hours but it took me 80 before
my instructor (he wasn't in the Navy) signed me off for my checkride.
Mike C.
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TriScout wrote:
> Chris, Would you have the contact intel on that local sign shop handy? My GN-1
"warbird" is painted in P6 Hawk colors...only thing missing are those exact
decals. Thx in advance...
>
> Larry N2308C
Bc signs, manitowoc, wi
(920) 686-1126
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NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
John,
Small world, Shawn's grandfather Dan Riffee lives here at Hales Landing.
Dan is a great home builder he is building a Bearhawk and a couple wood
single place VW powered planes of his own design. I use him for technical
advise all the time.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: John Francis <Mrkringles@msn.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/10/2013 11:50:44 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue
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> Shawn Riffee is my instructor.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
Hey John,
You sound like a pretty normal student. Don't let it get you down -
it'll come with practice. The one piece of advice I will give is this -
fly as often as you can; every day, if possible. It'll help with the
muscle memory and things will just become second nature after a while.
I got my license in 45 calendar days because I flew every day.
I can't recall - did I let you take the controls at Brodhead last
summer, or was our ride so short that we didn't have time?
Cheers,
Dan
do not archive
On 02/10/2013 09:53 AM, John Francis wrote:
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> As some of you know, part of my Piet build program is learning to fly. An opportunity
arose and I started learning to fly under part 141 with a local community
college.
>
>
>
> Pilot training in a Cessna 172
>
> I had two more flying lessons this week. My original feeling of being overwhelmed
has been replaced with frustration. It takes me a few hours after each
lesson to think about what happened and why. I'm getting upset at myself for
not getting everything quickly. I think we all hope when we start something like
this that we are going to be "naturals" and it will come to us quickly. My
instructor tells me I'm doing fine but I have my doubts.
>
> The bad stuff:
>
> 1. Although my taxiing has improved I still over-steer and use brakes for steering
too often.
> 2. The throttle control is still foreign to me and sometimes I push instead of
pull and vice-versa.
> 3. I don't use enough rudder and my instructor wants me to get used to this as
he knows I will be flying a Pietenpol some day.
> 4. My instructor covers up important gauges like the airspeed indicator on take
off as he wants me to "feel" when the plane is ready to fly. I feel nothing.
> 5. My transition and entry into the traffic pattern stinks as I seem to be very
busy watching altitude, speed, flaps, traffic and everything else my instructor
is saying in my headset.
> 6. My landings suck. I bounced it yesterday and missed the centerline.
>
> The good stuff:
>
> 1. Instructor says I'm fine.
> 2. Flying does not scare me or am I nervous when in the plane.
> 3. He trusted me with the preflight yesterday.
> 4. If pushed I believe I could do everything but land. (He's says I could land
if he passed out and we would walk away from it.)
> 5. I've only had three lessons, three landings, and logged 2.6 hours of flight
instruction.
>
> John
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393959#393959
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I would be interested in seeing the final result along with the lever insid
e the cockpit.- The work so far looks very nice.
Michael Perez
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Thanks Steve.- I look forward to some of the smaller challenges that may
arise form yoke-to-stick changes and the like.
Michael Perez
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Copy that jack! I had planned on putting my throttle on the right side and
figured I could just learn to fly that way. (Most AC that I have flown have
been stick and left side throttle.)- This made sense because of the thro
ttle cable location on the A-65.
But, after setting up my instruments and seeing how their cables were going
to be ran and the fact that I have my trim system on the right side, I wen
t the traditional route and now have the throttle on the left side.
Michael Perez
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John, I have the Practical Test Standards (PTS) for Sport Pilot flight trai
ning. This document lays out all of the required maneuvers, skills, methods
etc. you will need to pass the practical test. It is a very well made docu
ment with a ton of good intel. on what you and your instructor will need to
cover.- I am sure you can find the same for the Private Pilot PTS on lin
e.- (I may be looking for it as well...I am leaning towards doing a priva
te certificate now...)
Michael Perez
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And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but many
120's have added those under an STC
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on 140.
Gene
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
wrote:
Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a
Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that
some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in the
120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael <mailto:speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> Perez
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any
advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts
taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do
it.)
Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack"
John's original post.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Mike, 40 hours for a private was set in the 1950s. Since then a great deal of information
has been added as well as technology. On top of that add the complex
airspace we now have. The result is what was normally 40 to 45 hours is now
averaging 60+.
40-45 is much more doable in a remote airport with no tower or ATC conerns.
The Sport Pilot ticket is actually much closer to what a PPL was in the 1950s.
IMHO (BIKIAR)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: lefty righty
> What's funny is that 90% of us learned to fly with our left hand
> in a yoked airplane yet 90% of us are probably
> right handed so we started right off the bat flying with the hand
> we're not dominant in yet did well. I flew left
> handed for 10 years and when we bought a Champ going to the right
> hand was literally a no brainer and no matter
> what hand you choose to fly with a stick in an airplane feels 100%
> more natural than a yoke. (least to me anyway).
>
> The first few hours of flying lessons can be overwhelming with all
> that is going on that we're not used to. Some great
> advice given John. Give yourself time. And as others have
> said, 40 hours for a private is the FAA minimum. Few
> are ready for the private checkride at 40 hours or they don't have
> all the night or cross country time required yet.
> Mark Chouinard made a great point in that he too his checkride
> with many hours compared to his buddy but his buddy
> wishes he would have had more time, not just the minimum. I
> soloed pretty quickly at 5 hours but it took me 80 before
> my instructor (he wasn't in the Navy) signed me off for my checkride.
>
> Mike C.
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Thanks for the info Michael. One of the books required for the course is the "Pilot
Maneuvers Guide" from Sporty's which shows all the required maneuvers.
I need to spend more time with my nose in this book.
--------
John Francis
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Jack:
Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes?
I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing.
Zeke
On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ** ** **
>
> And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but
> many 120=92s have added those under an STC****
>
> ** **
>
> Jack Phillips****
>
> NX899JP****
>
> ****Smith Mountain Lake**, **Virginia********
>
> ** **
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gene Rambo
> *Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue****
>
> ** **
>
> Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on
> 140. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Gene
>
> Sent from my iPad****
>
>
> On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
> wrote:****
>
> Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a
> Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that
> some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in
> the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck****
>
> ****
>
> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>
> *From:* Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> ****
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com ****
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM****
>
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue****
>
> ** **
>
> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any
> advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts
> taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me
> do it.) ****
>
> ****
>
> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack"
> John's original post.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com****
>
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No. And not true rag v metal. Both had fabric wings. C-140A had, basically, 1
50 wings with single strut.
Gene
On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail.com> wrot
e:
> Jack:
> Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes?
> I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing.
> Zeke
>
> On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but ma
ny 120=99s have added those under an STC
>>
>>
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>>
>> NX899JP
>>
>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l
ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
>>
>>
>>
>> Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on 14
0.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net> w
rote:
>>
>>> Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a
Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that so
me of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in the 1
20 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Michael Perez
>>>
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any a
dvise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts taxin
g around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do it.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" J
ohn's original post.
>>>
>>> Michael Perez
>>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
>>> Karetaker Aero
>>> www.karetakeraero.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.ma
tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/
c
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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My 1959 Cessna 150 was actually a Cessna 140 fueslage with updated wings and a
metal square tail.
Cessna had about 800 140 fuselages left over and told the designer, we want a new
sheet two seat nosegear trainer, make it brand new. OH yeah you need to use
up those leftover 140 fuselages.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
> No. And not true rag v metal. Both had fabric wings. C-140A had,
> basically, 150 wings with single strut.
>
> Gene
>
> On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Marcus Zechini < wrote:
>
> > Jack:
> > Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes?
> > I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing.
> > Zeke
> >
> > On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" < wrote:
> >> And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but many
120s have added those under an STC
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jack Phillips
> >>
> >> NX899JP
> >>
> >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
> >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM
> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on 140.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gene
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" < wrote:
> >>
> >>> Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a
Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that some
of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in the 120 to
yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> From: Michael Perez
> >>>
> >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >>>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM
> >>>
> >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any advise
would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts taxing
around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do it.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" John's
original post.
> >>>
> >>> Michael Perez
> >>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> >>> Karetaker Aero
> >>> www.karetakeraero.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> href="blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> >>> href="blockedhttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> >>> href="blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
> >>>
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Thanks, Gene. I got tw endorrsement flying out of IAD in a C-170B
I did it to ferry a friend's C-170A around...I think I have those sorted
out: C-170 (1949) rag wing. 1950-51 C-170A metal wing small flaps. 1952
on larger flaps
On Feb 11, 2013 12:12 PM, "Gene Rambo" <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> No. And not true rag v metal. Both had fabric wings. C-140A had,
> basically, 150 wings with single strut.
>
> Gene
>
> On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Jack:
> Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes?
> I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing.
> Zeke
> On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> ** ** **
>>
>> And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but
>> many 120=92s have added those under an STC****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Jack Phillips****
>>
>> NX899JP****
>>
>> ****Smith Mountain Lake**, **Virginia********
>>
>> ** **
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gene Rambo
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM
>> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on
>> 140. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> Sent from my iPad****
>>
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>> wrote:****
>>
>> Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned
>> a Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying th
at
>> some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in
>> the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>>
>> *From:* Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> ****
>>
>> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com ****
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM****
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any
>> advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts
>> taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let m
e
>> do it.) ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack"
>> John's original post.
>>
>> Michael Perez
>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
>> Karetaker Aero
>> www.karetakeraero.com****
>>
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HI Everyone=2CWe are in the process on making the wheel hubs for the large
wheel version.Can you tell me what size spokes are most often used (10 awg?
) and what hole size size to drill the hubs for that spoke?we are using 21"
Harley Davidson wheels.
ThanksFred
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Fred, I can get you the sizes I used, when I get home and take a look at them.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
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I have 21" Sportster wheels with 1" bearings.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 11, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Fred Kim <frkim@msn.com> wrote:
> HI Everyone,
> We are in the process on making the wheel hubs for the large wheel version
.
> Can you tell me what size spokes are most often used (10 awg?) and what ho
le size size to drill the hubs for that spoke?
> we are using 21" Harley Davidson wheels.
>
> Thanks
> Fred
>
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Gary did you make the hubs for your wheels?
Jim
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Never seen a 120 with anything but a yoke. 140's had rag wings, with metal
flaps and ailerons. 140A's had all metal wings of the now familiar double
tapered design of most later Cessnas
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Zechini
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Jack:
Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes?
I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing.
Zeke
On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but many
120's have added those under an STC
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on 140.
Gene
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
wrote:
Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a
Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that
some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in the
120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck
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Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any
advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts
taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do
it.)
Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack"
John's original post.
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Like the all new Bombardier Global Express. The first thing we did was
spend months cadding the Challenger drawings . . .
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
Sent: February 11, 2013 12:54 PM
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My 1959 Cessna 150 was actually a Cessna 140 fueslage with updated wings
and a metal square tail.
Cessna had about 800 140 fuselages left over and told the designer, we
want a new sheet two seat nosegear trainer, make it brand new. OH yeah you
need to use up those leftover 140 fuselages.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
> No. And not true rag v metal. Both had fabric wings. C-140A had,
> basically, 150 wings with single strut.
>
> Gene
>
> On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Marcus Zechini < wrote:
>
> > Jack:
> > Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes?
> > I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing.
> > Zeke
> >
> > On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" < wrote:
> >> And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140),
> >> but many 120's have added those under an STC
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jack Phillips
> >>
> >> NX899JP
> >>
> >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Gene Rambo
> >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM
> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps
on 140.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gene
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" < wrote:
> >>
> >>> Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They
> >>> owned a Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are
> >>> you saying that some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that
> >>> Cessna went from sticks in the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you
> >>> don't have a 120? :) Chuck
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> From: Michael Perez
> >>>
> >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >>>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM
> >>>
> >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well.
Any advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever
attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked
he let me do it.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high
jack" John's original post.
> >>>
> >>> Michael Perez
> >>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> >>> Karetaker Aero
> >>> www.karetakeraero.com
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mucho thanks...will give 'em a call....ler (awaiting winds)
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Fred, my SS spokes are .150" +/- and spoke hole size is 3/16". (.188")- Y
ou may already know this, but you'll need to chamfer one side of the holes
for the spoke heads and the other side to allow some room for the spoke ben
d.- Minimal hub width, (from hub flange to hub flange) is 6".
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
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I did make hubs. They are also stock, except that they were machined to rece
ive the new bearings.
Gary
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> Gary did you make the hubs for your wheels?
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Hey guys....
I haven't flown yet.. but lots of ground runs.
I was told that i probably needed to add a "steam" pipe the the front of the head
on my A engine and i agree..
So i drilled and tapped a 1/4 pipe thread on top as far forward as i could.
I was going to put 1/4 by -6 AN 45 in the head... so that would be a 3/8 line up
to the top hose..
Does that sound like a big enough line ?
thanks a million
jeff faith
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It is just a steam relief line to prevent a bubble from forming up there, so size
doesn't matter.
Gene
On Feb 11, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "bender" <jfaith@solairusaviation.com> wrote:
>
> Hey guys....
> I haven't flown yet.. but lots of ground runs.
> I was told that i probably needed to add a "steam" pipe the the front of the
head on my A engine and i agree..
> So i drilled and tapped a 1/4 pipe thread on top as far forward as i could.
> I was going to put 1/4 by -6 AN 45 in the head... so that would be a 3/8 line
up to the top hose..
> Does that sound like a big enough line ?
>
> thanks a million
>
> jeff faith
>
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Thank you Mike=2C I have been looking at some of the posts on the wheel hub
s. I didn't remember about the spoke size.I appreciate the info.Fred and Fr
ed Jr.
From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Spoke Size
Fred=2C my SS spokes are .150" +/- and spoke hole size is 3/16". (.188") Y
ou may already know this=2C but you'll need to chamfer one side of the hole
s for the spoke heads and the other side to allow some room for the spoke b
end. Minimal hub width=2C (from hub flange to hub flange) is 6".
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Looking back on my own recent flight training experience, learning to
fly isn't about training your left arm to merely work the throttle back
and forth and your right arm to control the plane. or vice versa. More
about training you reflexes and senses. I got my PPL license in 24 days
and started in a J3 Cub. Soloed that and moved up to the C-150. Soloed
that a mere 3 days later, totally reversing hand controls. Didn't even
think about to be honest. A big factor is that when you learn in a plane
like a cub you're totally outside the plane. No artifical horizon, turn
coordinator, VSI etc. Everything becomes second nature and moving onto
other planes is a breeze.
Charles B
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From: Marcus Zechini
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Thanks, Gene. I got tw endorrsement flying out of IAD in a C-170B
I did it to ferry a friend's C-170A around...I think I have those
sorted out: C-170 (1949) rag wing. 1950-51 C-170A metal wing small
flaps. 1952 on larger flaps
On Feb 11, 2013 12:12 PM, "Gene Rambo" <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
No. And not true rag v metal. Both had fabric wings. C-140A had,
basically, 150 wings with single strut.
Gene
On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Marcus Zechini
<marcus.zechini@gmail.com> wrote:
Jack:
Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes?
I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing.
Zeke
On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the
140), but many 120=92s have added those under an STC
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was
flaps on 140.
Gene
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell"
<cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students.
They owned a Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are
you saying that some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna
went from sticks in the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a
120? :) Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a
140 as well. Any advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my
first ever attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say
otherwise...shocked he let me do it.)
Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't
want to "high jack" John's original post.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
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Looks great, Chris.
Was it you I e-mailed about drain holes for the wings? If it was, and you didn't
get it, and you haven't put them in then, you should consider installing them.
I found out that aircraft that are "always hangared" can still get water
in the low spots. A lot of water.
If it wasn't you, please disregard:).
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Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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What about making a close pin style throttle that you bite down on for full
power and open your mouth to decrease power like the old time powered para
chutes did?- Then you could use left right or both, plus when you get low
and slow in the pattern you can fill up on the bugs you eat involuntarily.
Shad
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Just a joke do not take to heart, no offense to anyone intended, or implied
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue
et>
Left hand throttle, right hand stick- in a Piet?? Dan I know you are a pu
rist and I did deviate from the plans a little bit. I asked the question "W
hat would Bernard Pietenpol do?" He said if you are left handed put the thr
ottle on the right side.
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First flight June 16,2012
Flying in phase 2
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
do not archive
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Fred,
Check this out:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/wire_wheels.htm
Greg Cardinal
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From: Fred Kim
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Spoke Size
HI Everyone,
We are in the process on making the wheel hubs for the large wheel
version.
Can you tell me what size spokes are most often used (10 awg?) and
what hole size size to drill the hubs for that spoke?
we are using 21" Harley Davidson wheels.
Thanks
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How about installing a foot throttle that is spring loaded and has cruise co
ntrol . Then you would be ambidextrous. Gardiner.
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On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:39 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> What about making a close pin style throttle that you bite down on for ful
l power and open your mouth to decrease power like the old time powered para
chutes did? Then you could use left right or both, plus when you get low an
d slow in the pattern you can fill up on the bugs you eat involuntarily.
> Shad
> Do Not Archive
> Just a joke do not take to heart, no offense to anyone intended, or implie
d!
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, February 11, 2013, 7:14 AM
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net>
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> Left hand throttle, right hand stick in a Piet?? Dan I know you are a pur
ist and I did deviate from the plans a little bit. I asked the question "Wha
t would Bernard Pietenpol do?" He said if you are left handed put the thrott
le on the right side.
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> First flight June 16,2012
> Flying in phase 2
> Lycoming O-235 C2C
> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Thank you Oscar.... It is sure nice to have fathers who supported our passions....
I'm glad you had such good experiences even when your father had his (apparently)
reluctant concerns and kept them to himself....
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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