---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/11/13: 44 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:15 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Jerry Dotson) 2. 05:02 AM - Re: Re: Flying Lessons Continue (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 05:15 AM - Re: Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Jack) 4. 05:17 AM - Re: Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 5. 05:22 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (jarheadpilot82) 6. 05:39 AM - Re: Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Gardiner) 7. 06:10 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (C N Campbell) 8. 06:12 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (proplock) 9. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: Flying Lessons Continue (C N Campbell) 10. 06:37 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Gene Rambo) 11. 07:00 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (C N Campbell) 12. 07:01 AM - lefty righty (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 13. 07:31 AM - Re: Some decals went on today! (Chris Rusch) 14. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: Flying Lessons Continue (skipgadd@earthlink.net) 15. 07:58 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Dan Yocum) 16. 08:05 AM - Re: fabricating music wire springs (Michael Perez) 17. 08:08 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Michael Perez) 18. 08:13 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Michael Perez) 19. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Michael Perez) 20. 08:39 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Jack Phillips) 21. 08:43 AM - Re: lefty righty (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 22. 08:44 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (John Francis) 23. 08:47 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Marcus Zechini) 24. 09:09 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Gene Rambo) 25. 09:55 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 26. 10:03 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Marcus Zechini) 27. 10:04 AM - Wheel Spoke Size (Fred Kim) 28. 10:21 AM - Re: Wheel Spoke Size (Michael Perez) 29. 10:25 AM - Re: Wheel Spoke Size (Gary Boothe) 30. 10:34 AM - Re: Wheel Spoke Size (Jim Boyer) 31. 10:51 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Jack Phillips) 32. 11:04 AM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Robert Gow) 33. 11:32 AM - Re: Some decals went on today! (TriScout) 34. 12:11 PM - Re: Wheel Spoke Size (Michael Perez) 35. 12:11 PM - Re: Wheel Spoke Size (Gary Boothe) 36. 01:32 PM - Steam pipe (bender) 37. 01:59 PM - Re: Steam pipe (Gene Rambo) 38. 03:35 PM - Re: Wheel Spoke Size (Fred Kim) 39. 05:02 PM - Re: Flying Lessons Continue (Charles Burkholder) 40. 05:18 PM - Re: Some decals went on today! (kevinpurtee) 41. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: Flying Lessons Continue (shad bell) 42. 06:46 PM - Re: Wheel Spoke Size (Greg Cardinal) 43. 06:59 PM - Re: Re: Flying Lessons Continue (airlion2@gmail.com) 44. 07:26 PM - Re: OT... my farher's passing..... (aerocarjake) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue From: "Jerry Dotson" Left hand throttle, right hand stick in a Piet?? Dan I know you are a purist and I did deviate from the plans a little bit. I asked the question "What would Bernard Pietenpol do?" He said if you are left handed put the throttle on the right side. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394032#394032 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a17_143.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue From: helspersew@aol.com Jerry, Are you sure he said that? You are going to have to prove that one to me. : O) Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Dotson Sent: Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:15 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue et> Left hand throttle, right hand stick in a Piet?? Dan I know you are a puri st and I did deviate from the plans a little bit. I asked the question "What w ould Bernard Pietenpol do?" He said if you are left handed put the throttle on t he right side. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394032#394032 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a17_143.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue From: Jack Way to go Jerry! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:14 AM, "Jerry Dotson" wrote: > > Left hand throttle, right hand stick in a Piet?? Dan I know you are a purist and I did deviate from the plans a little bit. I asked the question "What would Bernard Pietenpol do?" He said if you are left handed put the throttle on the right side. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > > First flight June 16,2012 > Flying in phase 2 > Lycoming O-235 C2C > Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394032#394032 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/a17_143.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:29 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue I reiterate. Don't over think this. I am very right handed. Yet I have jumped from stick to wheel (Tcraft) to yoke and then to the joystick on the computer. Right hand to left hand, right side to left side. Toe brakes to heel brakes. One of my early instructors simply told me "Don't think about it, fly the plane!" Two thots, what is better, dominant hand on the control doing the most important function, or using your dominant hand to do all the special details such as turning knobs, carb heat, setting freqs, adjusting throttles, holding maps, opening the thermos and scratching and waiving to our admiring fans? Makes no difference to me. Shut up and fly the plane. If you want put the controls where you want, I will adjust. I fire weapons right and left handed, Right is better than left. But i am still effective. It just takes practice. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Dotson Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue > > Left hand throttle, right hand stick in a Piet?? Dan I know you are a purist and I did deviate from the plans a little bit. I asked the question > "What would Bernard Pietenpol do?" He said if you are left handed > put the throttle on the right side. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > > First flight June 16,2012 > Flying in phase 2 > Lycoming O-235 C2C > Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394032#394032 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/a17_143.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue From: "jarheadpilot82" When I first was a Student Naval Aviator many years ago, I was worried that I would not be able to fly with my right hand (actually I was worried I wouldn't be able to fly - period. But I digress). However, it really came naturally and I found it to be an advantage when it came to flying instruments. I could write down the clearance and not have to change hands. The right handed guys had to fly with their left hand so they could write on their kneeboard. A slight advantage to us lefties. Maybe the guys that first started designing military cockpits were lefties and wanted to get back at the righties![Wink] Flying right handed will take you minutes to get used to-I promise. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394038#394038 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:37 AM PST US From: Gardiner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue On 2/11/2013 8:14 AM, Jack wrote: > > Way to go Jerry! > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:14 AM, "Jerry Dotson" wrote: > >> >> Left hand throttle, right hand stick in a Piet?? Dan I know you are a purist and I did deviate from the plans a little bit. I asked the question "What would Bernard Pietenpol do?" He said if you are left handed put the throttle on the right side. >> >> -------- >> Jerry Dotson >> >> First flight June 16,2012 >> Flying in phase 2 >> Lycoming O-235 C2C >> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 >> do not archive >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394032#394032 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/a17_143.jpg >> >> how about if you just put the throttle on the flo. >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:09 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do it.) Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" John's original post. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue From: "proplock" Hang in there, a lot to comprehend at first but it will get easier. I had a slight problem with rudders, so being an ole farm boy practiced while row crop cultivating, steer to right, apply left brake, resulted in straight ahead, of course I soon burned the brakes out, but ,hey, I learned. [Wink] Throttle on left hand, stick on right: was a natural as i spent years flying RC, and that helped tremendously. Used to practice rudder on RC by standing on one foot then the other. Summation: what ever works! -------- A remarkable lad , capable of many things Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394041#394041 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:10 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Ditto on the early landing bit. When I was instructing primary, the student did takeoffs (with a lot of help) right from the start. But he/she didn't even attempt landing until the airwork was pretty well done correctly. From that point on each lesson had a little airwork review and then the rest of the period would be landing after landing after landing (mostly touch and go) until ready for solo. I taught one thing at a time -- don't confuse the student with too much at first. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:08 PM Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue > > > John, Ditto what everyone else has said. and now for some miscelanneious > advice: > > Your landings suck because your instructor is not teaching you to land > yet! He is teaching your straight and level, climbs, descents, turns and > many other things that will be put togather to teach you to land. The only > reason you have done 3 landings is because the plane had to land at the > end of the lesson. Your instructor is doing it right and you are OK! > > As long as you enjoy your flight training overall, you will love flying. > > You will have some plateaus where you don't feel like you are progressing. > Some days you will be discouraged, But remember you are doing something > most people don't even consider possible. A bad day flying is better than > a good day at work! (unless you bend a plane.) > > On the rudder. At least your instructor talks to you. My Aeronca Champ > tailwheel instructor rolled up a sectional and would hit me on the head > and scream "step on the ball" I still don't feel it in the seat of my > pants the way he did.) When I took a sailplane flight the instructor > complemented my use of rudders. > > Regarding being overwhelmed in the traffic pattern. Your instructor is > right look at everything. But remember you can't do 5 things at once, you > only have to do two things at a time. 1. fly the plane, 2 any one other > thing (first watch altitude, then look outside, then glance at airspeed, > then look outside, remember you only hit the flaps 2 or three times at > specific places, then look outside, you are looking for traffic while you > are looking outside. Your instructor is making sure that you don't get > fixated on any one thing. IE looking outside for traffic and letting > airspeed deteriorate or fixing on the airspeed indicator and swapping > paint with anouther plane,...... > > When You feel like it is too much too fast. Ask your instructor if y'all > can just go to the practice area and fly around. maybe redo some of the > earlier flight lesson info. just a little confidence building time. > > However, you do want your instructor to push you to the next level. > > Don't try to push the controls around to make the plane do what you want. > Put pressure the way you want the plane to go. then adjust the pressure to > get what you want. > > If you walk away from the landing you will get better. Later on you will > learn how to lie. "Boy that was a smooth landing, now everyone get ready > for the speed bump!" > > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue From: Gene Rambo Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on 140. Gene Sent from my iPad On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" wrot e: > Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a C essna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Perez > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue > > Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any ad vise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do it.) > > Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" Joh n's original post. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:31 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue OK. you're right, Gene. I remember now that the only difference was the flaps. I think anyone who plans on building/flying a Piet should, if at all possible, train in a stick-controlled airplane. That goes for you, too, Michael. Find someone with a Cub, T-craft, or some such aircraft and learn RIGHT right from the start. If you have to learn with a yoke, ask the instructor to let you learn from the right seat to get used to flying the airplane with your right hand and doing all the other stuff with your left. Think that would work? C ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on 140. Gene Sent from my iPad On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" wrote: Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do it.) Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" John's original post. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:51 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: lefty righty What's funny is that 90% of us learned to fly with our left hand in a yoked airplane yet 90% of us are probably right handed so we started right off the bat flying with the hand we're not dominant in yet did well. I flew left handed for 10 years and when we bought a Champ going to the right hand was literally a no brainer and no matter what hand you choose to fly with a stick in an airplane feels 100% more nat ural than a yoke. (least to me anyway). The first few hours of flying lessons can be overwhelming with all that is going on that we're not used to. Some great advice given John. Give yourself time. And as others have said, 40 hour s for a private is the FAA minimum. Few are ready for the private checkride at 40 hours or they don't have all the night or cross country time required yet. Mark Chouinard made a great point in that he too his checkride with many ho urs compared to his buddy but his buddy wishes he would have had more time, not just the minimum. I soloed pretty quickly at 5 hours but it took me 80 before my instructor (he wasn't in the Navy) signed me off for my checkride. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Some decals went on today! From: "Chris Rusch" TriScout wrote: > Chris, Would you have the contact intel on that local sign shop handy? My GN-1 "warbird" is painted in P6 Hawk colors...only thing missing are those exact decals. Thx in advance... > > Larry N2308C Bc signs, manitowoc, wi (920) 686-1126 -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted. Wings covered and primed, one painted Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394051#394051 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:59 AM PST US From: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue John, Small world, Shawn's grandfather Dan Riffee lives here at Hales Landing. Dan is a great home builder he is building a Bearhawk and a couple wood single place VW powered planes of his own design. I use him for technical advise all the time. Skip > [Original Message] > From: John Francis > To: > Date: 2/10/2013 11:50:44 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue > > > Shawn Riffee is my instructor. > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393972#393972 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:44 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Hey John, You sound like a pretty normal student. Don't let it get you down - it'll come with practice. The one piece of advice I will give is this - fly as often as you can; every day, if possible. It'll help with the muscle memory and things will just become second nature after a while. I got my license in 45 calendar days because I flew every day. I can't recall - did I let you take the controls at Brodhead last summer, or was our ride so short that we didn't have time? Cheers, Dan do not archive On 02/10/2013 09:53 AM, John Francis wrote: > > As some of you know, part of my Piet build program is learning to fly. An opportunity arose and I started learning to fly under part 141 with a local community college. > > > > Pilot training in a Cessna 172 > > I had two more flying lessons this week. My original feeling of being overwhelmed has been replaced with frustration. It takes me a few hours after each lesson to think about what happened and why. I'm getting upset at myself for not getting everything quickly. I think we all hope when we start something like this that we are going to be "naturals" and it will come to us quickly. My instructor tells me I'm doing fine but I have my doubts. > > The bad stuff: > > 1. Although my taxiing has improved I still over-steer and use brakes for steering too often. > 2. The throttle control is still foreign to me and sometimes I push instead of pull and vice-versa. > 3. I don't use enough rudder and my instructor wants me to get used to this as he knows I will be flying a Pietenpol some day. > 4. My instructor covers up important gauges like the airspeed indicator on take off as he wants me to "feel" when the plane is ready to fly. I feel nothing. > 5. My transition and entry into the traffic pattern stinks as I seem to be very busy watching altitude, speed, flaps, traffic and everything else my instructor is saying in my headset. > 6. My landings suck. I bounced it yesterday and missed the centerline. > > The good stuff: > > 1. Instructor says I'm fine. > 2. Flying does not scare me or am I nervous when in the plane. > 3. He trusted me with the preflight yesterday. > 4. If pushed I believe I could do everything but land. (He's says I could land if he passed out and we would walk away from it.) > 5. I've only had three lessons, three landings, and logged 2.6 hours of flight instruction. > > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393959#393959 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:49 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fabricating music wire springs I would be interested in seeing the final result along with the lever insid e the cockpit.- The work so far looks very nice. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:23 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Thanks Steve.- I look forward to some of the smaller challenges that may arise form yoke-to-stick changes and the like. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:13 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Copy that jack! I had planned on putting my throttle on the right side and figured I could just learn to fly that way. (Most AC that I have flown have been stick and left side throttle.)- This made sense because of the thro ttle cable location on the A-65. But, after setting up my instruments and seeing how their cables were going to be ran and the fact that I have my trim system on the right side, I wen t the traditional route and now have the throttle on the left side. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com=0A ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:30 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue John, I have the Practical Test Standards (PTS) for Sport Pilot flight trai ning. This document lays out all of the required maneuvers, skills, methods etc. you will need to pass the practical test. It is a very well made docu ment with a ton of good intel. on what you and your instructor will need to cover.- I am sure you can find the same for the Private Pilot PTS on lin e.- (I may be looking for it as well...I am leaning towards doing a priva te certificate now...) Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:45 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but many 120's have added those under an STC Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on 140. Gene Sent from my iPad On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" wrote: Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do it.) Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" John's original post. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:47 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: lefty righty Mike, 40 hours for a private was set in the 1950s. Since then a great deal of information has been added as well as technology. On top of that add the complex airspace we now have. The result is what was normally 40 to 45 hours is now averaging 60+. 40-45 is much more doable in a remote airport with no tower or ATC conerns. The Sport Pilot ticket is actually much closer to what a PPL was in the 1950s. IMHO (BIKIAR) Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: lefty righty > What's funny is that 90% of us learned to fly with our left hand > in a yoked airplane yet 90% of us are probably > right handed so we started right off the bat flying with the hand > we're not dominant in yet did well. I flew left > handed for 10 years and when we bought a Champ going to the right > hand was literally a no brainer and no matter > what hand you choose to fly with a stick in an airplane feels 100% > more natural than a yoke. (least to me anyway). > > The first few hours of flying lessons can be overwhelming with all > that is going on that we're not used to. Some great > advice given John. Give yourself time. And as others have > said, 40 hours for a private is the FAA minimum. Few > are ready for the private checkride at 40 hours or they don't have > all the night or cross country time required yet. > Mark Chouinard made a great point in that he too his checkride > with many hours compared to his buddy but his buddy > wishes he would have had more time, not just the minimum. I > soloed pretty quickly at 5 hours but it took me 80 before > my instructor (he wasn't in the Navy) signed me off for my checkride. > > Mike C. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue From: "John Francis" Thanks for the info Michael. One of the books required for the course is the "Pilot Maneuvers Guide" from Sporty's which shows all the required maneuvers. I need to spend more time with my nose in this book. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394061#394061 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:12 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue From: Marcus Zechini Jack: Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes? I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing. Zeke On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > ** ** ** > > And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but > many 120=92s have added those under an STC**** > > ** ** > > Jack Phillips**** > > NX899JP**** > > ****Smith Mountain Lake**, **Virginia******** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gene Rambo > *Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue**** > > ** ** > > Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on > 140. **** > > ** ** > > Gene > > Sent from my iPad**** > > > On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" > wrote:**** > > Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a > Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that > some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in > the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck**** > > **** > > ----- Original Message ----- **** > > *From:* Michael Perez **** > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com **** > > *Sent:* Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM**** > > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue**** > > ** ** > > Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any > advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts > taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me > do it.) **** > > **** > > Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" > John's original post. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com**** > > * * > > * * > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ c* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue From: Gene Rambo No. And not true rag v metal. Both had fabric wings. C-140A had, basically, 1 50 wings with single strut. Gene On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Marcus Zechini wrot e: > Jack: > Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes? > I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing. > Zeke > > On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: >> And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but ma ny 120=99s have added those under an STC >> >> >> >> Jack Phillips >> >> NX899JP >> >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia >> >> >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue >> >> >> >> Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on 14 0. >> >> >> >> Gene >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" w rote: >> >>> Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that so me of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in the 1 20 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: Michael Perez >>> >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue >>> >>> >>> >>> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any a dvise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts taxin g around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do it.) >>> >>> >>> >>> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" J ohn's original post. >>> >>> Michael Perez >>> Pietenpol HINT Videos >>> Karetaker Aero >>> www.karetakeraero.com >>> >>> >>> >>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ c >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:15 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue My 1959 Cessna 150 was actually a Cessna 140 fueslage with updated wings and a metal square tail. Cessna had about 800 140 fuselages left over and told the designer, we want a new sheet two seat nosegear trainer, make it brand new. OH yeah you need to use up those leftover 140 fuselages. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue > No. And not true rag v metal. Both had fabric wings. C-140A had, > basically, 150 wings with single strut. > > Gene > > On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Marcus Zechini < wrote: > > > Jack: > > Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes? > > I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing. > > Zeke > > > > On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" < wrote: > >> And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but many 120s have added those under an STC > >> > >> > >> > >> Jack Phillips > >> > >> NX899JP > >> > >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > >> > >> > >> > >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo > >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM > >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue > >> > >> > >> > >> Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on 140. > >> > >> > >> > >> Gene > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >> > >> On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" < wrote: > >> > >>> Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> > >>> From: Michael Perez > >>> > >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >>> > >>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do it.) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" John's original post. > >>> > >>> Michael Perez > >>> Pietenpol HINT Videos > >>> Karetaker Aero > >>> www.karetakeraero.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> href="blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > >>> href="blockedhttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > >>> href="blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > >> tp://forums.matronics.com > >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > >> > > > > > > > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue From: Marcus Zechini Thanks, Gene. I got tw endorrsement flying out of IAD in a C-170B I did it to ferry a friend's C-170A around...I think I have those sorted out: C-170 (1949) rag wing. 1950-51 C-170A metal wing small flaps. 1952 on larger flaps On Feb 11, 2013 12:12 PM, "Gene Rambo" wrote: > No. And not true rag v metal. Both had fabric wings. C-140A had, > basically, 150 wings with single strut. > > Gene > > On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Marcus Zechini > wrote: > > Jack: > Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes? > I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing. > Zeke > On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > >> ** ** ** >> >> And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but >> many 120=92s have added those under an STC**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Jack Phillips**** >> >> NX899JP**** >> >> ****Smith Mountain Lake**, **Virginia******** >> >> ** ** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: >> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gene Rambo >> *Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM >> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on >> 140. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Gene >> >> Sent from my iPad**** >> >> >> On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" >> wrote:**** >> >> Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned >> a Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying th at >> some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in >> the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck**** >> >> **** >> >> ----- Original Message ----- **** >> >> *From:* Michael Perez **** >> >> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com **** >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM**** >> >> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any >> advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts >> taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let m e >> do it.) **** >> >> **** >> >> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" >> John's original post. >> >> Michael Perez >> Pietenpol HINT Videos >> Karetaker Aero >> www.karetakeraero.com**** >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* >> >> *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* >> >> *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com /c* >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> * >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> * > > ======================== > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ======================== ===========cs.com > ======================== ===========matronics.com/contribution > ======================== > * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:38 AM PST US From: Fred Kim Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Spoke Size HI Everyone=2CWe are in the process on making the wheel hubs for the large wheel version.Can you tell me what size spokes are most often used (10 awg? ) and what hole size size to drill the hubs for that spoke?we are using 21" Harley Davidson wheels. ThanksFred ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:53 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Spoke Size Fred, I can get you the sizes I used, when I get home and take a look at them. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Spoke Size From: Gary Boothe I have 21" Sportster wheels with 1" bearings. Gary Boothe NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Feb 11, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Fred Kim wrote: > HI Everyone, > We are in the process on making the wheel hubs for the large wheel version .. > Can you tell me what size spokes are most often used (10 awg?) and what ho le size size to drill the hubs for that spoke? > we are using 21" Harley Davidson wheels. > > Thanks > Fred > > > > > > > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:28 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Spoke Size Gary did you make the hubs for your wheels? Jim ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:28 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Never seen a 120 with anything but a yoke. 140's had rag wings, with metal flaps and ailerons. 140A's had all metal wings of the now familiar double tapered design of most later Cessnas Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Zechini Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 11:47 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Jack: Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes? I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing. Zeke On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but many 120's have added those under an STC Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on 140. Gene Sent from my iPad On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" wrote: Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do it.) Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" John's original post. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:49 AM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Like the all new Bombardier Global Express. The first thing we did was spend months cadding the Challenger drawings . . . -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB Sent: February 11, 2013 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue --> My 1959 Cessna 150 was actually a Cessna 140 fueslage with updated wings and a metal square tail. Cessna had about 800 140 fuselages left over and told the designer, we want a new sheet two seat nosegear trainer, make it brand new. OH yeah you need to use up those leftover 140 fuselages. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue > No. And not true rag v metal. Both had fabric wings. C-140A had, > basically, 150 wings with single strut. > > Gene > > On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Marcus Zechini < wrote: > > > Jack: > > Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes? > > I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing. > > Zeke > > > > On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" < wrote: > >> And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), > >> but many 120's have added those under an STC > >> > >> > >> > >> Jack Phillips > >> > >> NX899JP > >> > >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > >> > >> > >> > >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > >> Gene Rambo > >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM > >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue > >> > >> > >> > >> Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on 140. > >> > >> > >> > >> Gene > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >> > >> On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" < wrote: > >> > >>> Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They > >>> owned a Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are > >>> you saying that some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that > >>> Cessna went from sticks in the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you > >>> don't have a 120? :) Chuck > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> > >>> From: Michael Perez > >>> > >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >>> > >>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do it.) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" John's original post. > >>> > >>> Michael Perez > >>> Pietenpol HINT Videos > >>> Karetaker Aero > >>> www.karetakeraero.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> href="blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">ht > >>> tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > >>> href="blockedhttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics. > >>> com > >>> href="blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.mat > >>> ronics.com/c > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > >> tp://forums.matronics.com > >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > >> > > > > > > > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Some decals went on today! From: "TriScout" mucho thanks...will give 'em a call....ler (awaiting winds) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394082#394082 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/me_hngr_858.jpg ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:34 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Spoke Size Fred, my SS spokes are .150" +/- and spoke hole size is 3/16". (.188")- Y ou may already know this, but you'll need to chamfer one side of the holes for the spoke heads and the other side to allow some room for the spoke ben d.- Minimal hub width, (from hub flange to hub flange) is 6". Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Spoke Size From: Gary Boothe I did make hubs. They are also stock, except that they were machined to rece ive the new bearings. Gary Sent from my iPhone On Feb 11, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Jim Boyer wrote: > Gary did you make the hubs for your wheels? > > Jim > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steam pipe From: "bender" Hey guys.... I haven't flown yet.. but lots of ground runs. I was told that i probably needed to add a "steam" pipe the the front of the head on my A engine and i agree.. So i drilled and tapped a 1/4 pipe thread on top as far forward as i could. I was going to put 1/4 by -6 AN 45 in the head... so that would be a 3/8 line up to the top hose.. Does that sound like a big enough line ? thanks a million jeff faith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394095#394095 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steam pipe From: Gene Rambo It is just a steam relief line to prevent a bubble from forming up there, so size doesn't matter. Gene On Feb 11, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "bender" wrote: > > Hey guys.... > I haven't flown yet.. but lots of ground runs. > I was told that i probably needed to add a "steam" pipe the the front of the head on my A engine and i agree.. > So i drilled and tapped a 1/4 pipe thread on top as far forward as i could. > I was going to put 1/4 by -6 AN 45 in the head... so that would be a 3/8 line up to the top hose.. > Does that sound like a big enough line ? > > thanks a million > > jeff faith > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394095#394095 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:28 PM PST US From: Fred Kim Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Spoke Size Thank you Mike=2C I have been looking at some of the posts on the wheel hub s. I didn't remember about the spoke size.I appreciate the info.Fred and Fr ed Jr. From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Spoke Size Fred=2C my SS spokes are .150" +/- and spoke hole size is 3/16". (.188") Y ou may already know this=2C but you'll need to chamfer one side of the hole s for the spoke heads and the other side to allow some room for the spoke b end. Minimal hub width=2C (from hub flange to hub flange) is 6". Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:17 PM PST US From: "Charles Burkholder" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Looking back on my own recent flight training experience, learning to fly isn't about training your left arm to merely work the throttle back and forth and your right arm to control the plane. or vice versa. More about training you reflexes and senses. I got my PPL license in 24 days and started in a J3 Cub. Soloed that and moved up to the C-150. Soloed that a mere 3 days later, totally reversing hand controls. Didn't even think about to be honest. A big factor is that when you learn in a plane like a cub you're totally outside the plane. No artifical horizon, turn coordinator, VSI etc. Everything becomes second nature and moving onto other planes is a breeze. Charles B ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcus Zechini To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 1:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Thanks, Gene. I got tw endorrsement flying out of IAD in a C-170B I did it to ferry a friend's C-170A around...I think I have those sorted out: C-170 (1949) rag wing. 1950-51 C-170A metal wing small flaps. 1952 on larger flaps On Feb 11, 2013 12:12 PM, "Gene Rambo" wrote: No. And not true rag v metal. Both had fabric wings. C-140A had, basically, 150 wings with single strut. Gene On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote: Jack: Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes? I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing. Zeke On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but many 120=92s have added those under an STC Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on 140. Gene Sent from my iPad On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" wrote: Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do it.) Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" John's original post. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 02/10/13 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Some decals went on today! From: "kevinpurtee" Looks great, Chris. Was it you I e-mailed about drain holes for the wings? If it was, and you didn't get it, and you haven't put them in then, you should consider installing them. I found out that aircraft that are "always hangared" can still get water in the low spots. A lot of water. If it wasn't you, please disregard:). -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394105#394105 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:06 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue What about making a close pin style throttle that you bite down on for full power and open your mouth to decrease power like the old time powered para chutes did?- Then you could use left right or both, plus when you get low and slow in the pattern you can fill up on the bugs you eat involuntarily. Shad Do Not Archive Just a joke do not take to heart, no offense to anyone intended, or implied ! --- On Mon, 2/11/13, Jerry Dotson wrote: From: Jerry Dotson Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue et> Left hand throttle, right hand stick- in a Piet?? Dan I know you are a pu rist and I did deviate from the plans a little bit. I asked the question "W hat would Bernard Pietenpol do?" He said if you are left handed put the thr ottle on the right side. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394032#394032 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a17_143.jpg le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:18 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Spoke Size Fred, Check this out: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/wire_wheels.htm Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Kim To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:04 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Spoke Size HI Everyone, We are in the process on making the wheel hubs for the large wheel version. Can you tell me what size spokes are most often used (10 awg?) and what hole size size to drill the hubs for that spoke? we are using 21" Harley Davidson wheels. Thanks Fred ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue From: airlion2@gmail.com How about installing a foot throttle that is spring loaded and has cruise co ntrol . Then you would be ambidextrous. Gardiner. Sent from my iPad On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:39 PM, shad bell wrote: > > What about making a close pin style throttle that you bite down on for ful l power and open your mouth to decrease power like the old time powered para chutes did? Then you could use left right or both, plus when you get low an d slow in the pattern you can fill up on the bugs you eat involuntarily. > Shad > Do Not Archive > Just a joke do not take to heart, no offense to anyone intended, or implie d! > --- On Mon, 2/11/13, Jerry Dotson wrote: > > From: Jerry Dotson > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Monday, February 11, 2013, 7:14 AM > net> > > Left hand throttle, right hand stick in a Piet?? Dan I know you are a pur ist and I did deviate from the plans a little bit. I asked the question "Wha t would Bernard Pietenpol do?" He said if you are left handed put the thrott le on the right side. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > > First flight June 16,2012 > Flying in phase 2 > Lycoming O-235 C2C > Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394032#394032 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/a17_143.jpg > > p; --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: OT... my farher's passing..... From: "aerocarjake" Thank you Oscar.... It is sure nice to have fathers who supported our passions.... 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