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1. 06:04 AM - Front seat flying, pax in rear (tools)
2. 06:36 AM - Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again)Sky Gypsy--long fuse Useful Weight (Boatright, Jeffrey)
3. 06:53 AM - Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again)Sky (tools)
4. 07:15 AM - Re: Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again)Sky (Gary Boothe)
5. 09:44 AM - front seat flying (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 12:31 PM - Jim Markle-? (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 12:49 PM - Tore Down my engine! (tkreiner)
8. 02:13 PM - Re: Jim Markle-? (Gary Boothe)
9. 02:34 PM - Re: Tore Down my engine! (Gardiner)
10. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: TIG Welder (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
11. 03:20 PM - Re: Jim Markle-? (taildrags)
12. 03:29 PM - Re: Tore Down my engine! (tkreiner)
13. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: TIG Welder (Fred Kim)
14. 07:16 PM - Re: Front seat flying, pax in rear (Clif Dawson)
15. 08:34 PM - Brake cables (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
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Subject: | Front seat flying, pax in rear |
Hey Steven,
Starting a new thread on this so as not to hijack.
I bought a piet to teach my kid to fly. It's a VERY stock plane, but no throttle
in the front, so we added one, which was very light and easy.
The issues we found, and one the very hard way, is the stock rudder pedal geometry
is not so great for ground handling. My son has lots of flying and landing
from the front, I've only got a few take offs and landings from there, and it's
generally ok, but uncomfortable, somewhat unnerving, it wasn't until the last
flight we learned that because you're so on top of the pedals, you can pretty
easily overcenter one and lay it flat on the floor...
I'd recommend hanging them or designing some really good stops. Even better, do
something like I saw on the EAA's Spirit of St Louis flying replica (which has
been modified for a front seat flyer) and that was to put little "wells" that
move the pedals a tad further out into the empty area under the engine forward
of the firewall (they were made of stainless, so very structural and safe
in my opinion) just a bit. Enough so that you're swinging at the pedals with
a similar knee bend as from the back seat. I'd really have to get pictures, it
was pretty cool and "should" work well in a Piet...
A very minor deal that can cause big problems, one of the reasons ALL changes to
plans REALLY have to be thought out well, considered, blah blah blah.
Other than that, minor stuff, like the brakes (easily done in both cockpits, or
just the front), mag switches, some instruments.
The pedals like they are, are fine for letting someone fly around from up there,
just not great when you need lots of throw and quickly. I'm going to keep working
on making mine safely flyable from the front so that's there's a plane
around that folks could get checked out in at Brodhead or similar events.
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Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight |
Again)Sky Gypsy--long fuse Useful Weight
Hello Fellow Pieters!
I've been lurking due to a hechuvalotta work over the last three years (htt
p://www.emory.edu/EMORY_REPORT/stories/2011/06/people_emory_profile_jeffrey
_boatright.html), but things are getting back to mornal, so I hope to becom
e active on the list again.
First thing up:
I re-did my W&B during annual and I'm aft of the aft CG limit with low fuel
and me in my winter togs. I am thinking about moving my wing back but I do
n't understand how the wing strut fitting at the wing allows this motion. T
he strut fitting at the fuselage clearly allows fore-and-aft movement. My f
ittings are similar to those shown at westcoastpiet.com for Charlie Miller'
s plane.
Wing strut fitting at fuselage:
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Charlie%20Miller/images/IMG_3313.JPG
Wing strut fitting at wing:
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Charlie%20Miller/images/IMG_3335.JPG
The fittings at the wing of my Piet are similar to this (the strut end is d
ifferent). I can see how this fitting allows a change in dihedral, but not
a fore-and-aft change of the wing. Any thoughts much appreciated,
Jeff
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Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again)Sky |
Those are just like mine. The single bolt going through allows that little piece
sticking out the end to pivot a little. If there were two bolts there, it
would be a problem like you mention.
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Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight |
Again)Sky
Jeffery - Best wishes in your research at work.
Gary Boothe
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight
Again)Sky
Those are just like mine. The single bolt going through allows that little
piece sticking out the end to pivot a little. If there were two bolts
there, it would be a problem like you mention.
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Subject: | front seat flying |
Steve=3B
The airplane doesn't know or care who is piloting the airplane=2C or from w
hich cockpit. My first couple of hours (and first couple of dozen landings
) in Scout were made with me in the front cockpit and my instructor in the
back. Thus=2C I learned to fly the airplane without benefit of instruments
of any kind=2C and I thought that was a good thing. I've flown it from th
e front seat (with another pilot in back) on different occasions and I find
the sensation exhilarating. The propeller is so close you can touch it (o
r so it seems)=2C and there is a much different feel when you're essentiall
y on the CG. It's fun. It makes the airplane seem smaller=2C sportier.
However=2C there are three controls in the front cockpit of my airplane tha
t I consider to be essential to safety of flight and operation=2C that are
not replicated in the front cockpit. They are=2C in descending order of im
portance to me: carb heat=2C fuel shutoff=2C and ignition switch. One coul
d argue that the brakes are sometimes essential=2C and there are no brake p
edals in the front cockpit=2C but "it depends". Turf or hard surface? Cal
m winds or gusty? Short field or long? Brakes are nice to have=2C but pro
bably not essential most of the time.
Unless you are flying with someone who is intimately familiar with flying y
our airplane and who knows and understands the importance of those three co
ntrols=2C I would question the prudence of flying the airplane from the fro
nt seat while the other person is in the rear. And unless they know and un
derstand what the brake pedals do=2C keep that person away from them. Base
d on my experience flying out of south Texas with a small Continental and S
tromberg carb=2C the carb heat knob can be as important to you as the ripco
rd is to a parachutist=2C because carb ice will kill your engine or chop th
e available power drastically=2C and that carb heat knob can keep you in th
e air. And of course in an emergency situation=2C proper use of the fuel s
hutoff valve and ignition switch can be very important as well.
My two cents.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Anybody seen or heard from Jim lately? Facebook just reminded me that his
birthday is this Wednesday and I realized that he hasn't been around the li
st in awhile. The chickens must be keeping him busy in the barnyard.
do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Tore Down my engine! |
A few months back, a buddy of mine sold me a Continental PC-60 Packette engine,
which is virtually identical to a C-90, at least inside. Along with the PC-60,
I got a C-85-12F Crankcase and four O-200 Chrome plated Cylinders, with valves...
all for $250. Then, on another visit, I found second GPU engine which
I picked up for $50. The thought was that I would be able to put together one
nice C-90-ish engine in a C-85 case. Since the GPU is a -12 configuration,
the gears, and accessory case will allow me to have a full up electrical system.
(I fly from a controlled field where they train air traffic controllers, and
they don't like aircraft without radio & xponder.)
So, during the last couple of weeks, I built an engine stand, mounted the engine,
and tore it down. Pics are attached.
After disassembly, the crankshaft mikes mid-range of NEW specs on both main and
rod journals, and the only thing it needs is magnafluxing.
The Cam, followers, & oil pump are all within tolerance and pristine in appearance.
The pistons, however, are a different story, as they appear to be used,
with a few broken rings, and ring grooves beyond the wear limits.
Next, I'll vat the C-85 case and start getting bearings to build the lower end.
If any of you have C-85 or 90 parts you want to offload, contact me offline and
let me know what you have. I'd really like to find a 530788 cam, and a set of
pistons...
--------
Tom Kreiner
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Subject: | Re: Jim Markle-? |
Jim who?
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Anybody seen or heard from Jim lately? Facebook just reminded me that his
birthday is this Wednesday and I realized that he hasn't been around the li
st in awhile. The chickens must be keeping him busy in the barnyard.
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> do not archive
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Tore Down my engine! |
I have a starter and generator that came off my C90 from my cessna 140
for a lightweight starter and alternator. I figure they would be worth
75 bucks each. Gardiner
>
> A few months back, a buddy of mine sold me a Continental PC-60 Packette engine,
which is virtually identical to a C-90, at least inside. Along with the PC-60,
I got a C-85-12F Crankcase and four O-200 Chrome plated Cylinders, with valves...
all for $250. Then, on another visit, I found second GPU engine which
I picked up for $50. The thought was that I would be able to put together
one nice C-90-ish engine in a C-85 case. Since the GPU is a -12 configuration,
the gears, and accessory case will allow me to have a full up electrical system.
(I fly from a controlled field where they train air traffic controllers,
and they don't like aircraft without radio & xponder.)
>
> So, during the last couple of weeks, I built an engine stand, mounted the engine,
and tore it down. Pics are attached.
>
> After disassembly, the crankshaft mikes mid-range of NEW specs on both main and
rod journals, and the only thing it needs is magnafluxing.
>
> The Cam, followers, & oil pump are all within tolerance and pristine in appearance.
The pistons, however, are a different story, as they appear to be used,
with a few broken rings, and ring grooves beyond the wear limits.
>
> Next, I'll vat the C-85 case and start getting bearings to build the lower end.
>
> If any of you have C-85 or 90 parts you want to offload, contact me offline and
let me know what you have. I'd really like to find a 530788 cam, and a set
of pistons...
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394422#394422
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Jerry,
Very cool story about your father and his last "paycheck" from Luscombe.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/14/2013 9:26:43 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TIG Welder
>
<jdotson@centurylink.net>
>
> Fred,
> If you are planning on welding a lot of thin aluminum plan on one of the
better machines that have high frequency arc stabilization. I am not
"current" on the new breed of tig machines. Mine is a 1980 Miller Gold Star
300 which cost me $3000 back then. It has an amperage start control and a
ramp up control so you don't blow a hole in the material getting the arc
stabilized. All the modern high end machines will have that and more.
> That said an oxygen/acetylene torch will build a Piet just fine. The
smallest Victor would be my preference. I own a Smith Airline that 65+
years old. It was my dad's. The torch was his last payday from Luscombe.
They went broke and told the employees to take the equipment they were
issued because there would be no money to pay them. He built engine mounts.
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Subject: | Re: Jim Markle-? |
Golly, Gary- seeing as the subject line says "Jim Markle", I figured it was self-evident.
However, knowing that people often have tongue in cheek around here,
maybe you were hinting that since things sometimes disappear around Markle,
maybe this time he has disappeared around us?
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Tore Down my engine! |
Gardiner,
WOW! That's great... I'll take both!
Please call me at 832-326-2970, and we'll make arrangements to pay and ship.
Thanks,
Tom
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Tom Kreiner
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Thanks for all of the feedback.I will let you know what I decide and how it
works out.
Thanks againFred
> From: skipgadd@earthlink.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TIG Welder
> Date: Sat=2C 16 Feb 2013 17:42:53 -0500
>
earthlink.net>
>
> Jerry=2C
> Very cool story about your father and his last "paycheck" from Luscombe.
> Skip
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 2/14/2013 9:26:43 AM
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TIG Welder
> >
> <jdotson@centurylink.net>
> >
> > Fred=2C
> > If you are planning on welding a lot of thin aluminum plan on one of t
he
> better machines that have high frequency arc stabilization. I am not
> "current" on the new breed of tig machines. Mine is a 1980 Miller Gold St
ar
> 300 which cost me $3000 back then. It has an amperage start control and a
> ramp up control so you don't blow a hole in the material getting the arc
> stabilized. All the modern high end machines will have that and more.
> > That said an oxygen/acetylene torch will build a Piet just fine. The
> smallest Victor would be my preference. I own a Smith Airline that 65+
> years old. It was my dad's. The torch was his last payday from Luscombe.
> They went broke and told the employees to take the equipment they were
> issued because there would be no money to pay them. He built engine mount
s.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Front seat flying, pax in rear |
I have installed a bar up there exactly parallel to
the pilot's one. Just seemed to make sense to me.
One thing I did find was that the rudder didn't
stop before running into the elevators. I've added
stops to the main bar so that the rudder now will
stop a half inch away from the elevators.
Clif
>
> The issues we found, and one the very hard way, is the stock rudder pedal
> geometry is not so great for ground handling. My son has lots of flying
> and landing from the front, I've only got a few take offs and landings
> from there, and it's generally ok, but uncomfortable, somewhat unnerving,
> it wasn't until the last flight we learned that because you're so on top
> of the pedals, you can pretty easily overcenter one and lay it flat on the
> floor...
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Well, I have started working on the Piet! As y'all know this was a flying plane.
It has a Piper cub landing gear.
My first project is putting the heel brakes and cable back onto the plane. (they
are obviously on the wheels.)
How did y'all put spacers under the heel brake so that it pivots?
How is the brake cable housing secured next to the heel brakes?
I need to make a hole for the cable to run out near the gear attach point. The
frame is recovered and the hole has not been made yet. What is the best way to
make this hole? Burn through and ?
How is the wire attached to the brake lever? there does not appear to be a hole
in the bolt on the brake lever?
Better yet, Who has some good photos on a web site of how they did it?
Sorry for the basic questions, I know how I would do it, but I am sure that someone
else has done it better.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
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