---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/22/13: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:21 AM - Re: George in Australia (bubbleboy) 2. 12:25 AM - Re: TIG Welder (bubbleboy) 3. 03:14 AM - Re: Re: TIG Welder (George Abernathy) 4. 03:28 AM - Re: George in Australia (George Abernathy) 5. 04:11 AM - Re: TIG Welder (bubbleboy) 6. 04:26 AM - Re: No Title (nightmare) 7. 07:52 AM - BFR review (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 8. 09:41 AM - Motor Mount Questions (Tim White) 9. 11:48 AM - motor mounts available here (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 10. 11:58 AM - Re: BFR review (helspersew@aol.com) 11. 12:16 PM - Re: motor mounts available here (CozyGirrrl@aol.com) 12. 12:32 PM - Re: BFR review (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 13. 03:44 PM - Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? (jarheadpilot82) 14. 04:20 PM - Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? (Gary Boothe) 15. 04:41 PM - Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? (jarheadpilot82) 16. 04:43 PM - Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? (Kip and Beth Gardner) 17. 05:27 PM - Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? (Jack Phillips) 18. 05:33 PM - Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? (Jerry Dotson) 19. 05:36 PM - Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? (jarheadpilot82) 20. 07:38 PM - Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? (dgaldrich) 21. 07:57 PM - Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? (jarheadpilot82) 22. 08:26 PM - Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? (Kip and Beth Gardner) 23. 10:18 PM - Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? (Mark Roberts) 24. 10:26 PM - Re: BFR review (Mark Roberts) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: George in Australia From: "bubbleboy" Hi Mike...... George is in Canberra, our country's capital. Be careful as Taswegians are reputed to have a 6th finger on each hand. I know I am going to pay for that...lol Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Tail and Ribs built...Building control system and about to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394781#394781 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TIG Welder From: "bubbleboy" Hi George....dont make me come down to Canberra so you can teach me to TIG weld! Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Tail and Ribs built...Building control system and about to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394782#394782 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:20 AM PST US From: George Abernathy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TIG Welder Hi Scott, =0A=0A=0AI sent an email to confirm your address so I can send th e parts. Did you get it? Yanhoo has been playing up lately. =0A=0A=0ATig we lding is much easier than torch welding. =0A=0A=0A=0A______________________ __________=0A From: bubbleboy =0ATo: pietenpol-l ist@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, February 22, 2013 7:25 PM=0ASubject: Pie bbleboy" =0A=0AHi George....dont make me come do wn to Canberra so you can teach me to TIG weld! =0A=0AScotty=0A=0A-------- =0ATamworth, Australia=0ABuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper=0A =0Awww.scottyspietenpol.com=0A=0ATail and Ribs built...Building control sys tem and about to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums ============== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:50 AM PST US From: George Abernathy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: George in Australia I am in Canberra. I have high hopes of getting to broad head one of these d ays. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: "Cuy, M ichael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" =0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Fri day, February 22, 2013 8:39 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: George in Austral ia=0A =0A=0AGeorge=94are you on the island of Tasmania?=C2- That is where good friend and Piet builder Simon McCormack and family =0Alive.=C2 - Simon has a gorgeous red and cream Ford Piet.=C2-=C2- He and his wi fe Susan are making the trip to Brodhead and Oshkosh=0Afor the very first t ime this summer!=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- I=99ve been pen pals with Si mon since around 1994 and really looking forward to seeing=0Ahim and watch his face when he finally sees what Brodhead and Oshkosh are really like.=C2 -=C2- =0A=C2-=0AMike C. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TIG Welder From: "bubbleboy" Hi George...yes I replied straight away. Scott Dawson PO Box 5122 South Tamworth 2340 -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Tail and Ribs built...Building control system and about to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394795#394795 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: No Title From: "nightmare" Thanks Mike, Uncle Tony is stacked up in the garage. I'll have to clear the sawdust off the stack and thumb threw them. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394796#394796 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:41 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: BFR review Martha King really got to me in that video Gary. How dare she stand in fro nt of that nice video EAA took of me while I was lost over the Hurricane Wood. Mike C. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Ac2YD2LNs&feature=youtu.be ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:00 AM PST US From: Tim White Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motor Mount Questions Just finished my landing gear/tailwheel and getting ready to build the motor mount for a C-85. First, are there any motor mount jigs in the central Florida area that I could borrow? Secondly, are there any tips that you might share, such as building it longer for W&B considerations or starter clearance (wife requirement)? I appreciate anything you can pass along. Tim White Ocklawaha. Fl ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:17 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts available here http://www.cozygirrrl.com/aircraftparts.htm They will make them longer than standard length if you want, just specify. It only took me about 2 hours to make a motor mount jig. You can build off set into it as well. Mike C. [cid:image001.jpg@01CE110B.93346500] ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: BFR review From: helspersew@aol.com Maybe the Hurtgen Wood? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:53 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: BFR review Martha King really got to me in that video Gary. How dare she stand in fro nt of that nice video EAA took of me while I was lost over the Hurricane Wood. Mike C. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Ac2YD2LNs&feature=youtu.be ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:47 PM PST US From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts available here We invested a lot of time in the jig in order to make it adjustable. It can accommodate different firewall widths and distances from the firewall. Chrissi & Randi _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) ClickBonds 10/$7.50 CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop In a message dated 2/22/2013 1:48:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes: _http://www.cozygirrrl.com/aircraftparts.htm_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/aircraftparts.htm) They will make them longer than standard length if you want, just specify. It only took me about 2 hours to make a motor mount jig. You can build offset into it as well. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:27 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: BFR review Aha---some good WWI facts there Dan. I always thought it was Hurricane W ood. Well actually it was over New Holstein. The New Holstein wood but thanks t o you I know know where Redford said he was flying! From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: BFR review Maybe the Hurtgen Wood? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:53 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: BFR review Martha King really got to me in that video Gary. How dare she stand in fro nt of that nice video EAA took of me while I was lost over the Hurricane Wood. Mike C. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Ac2YD2LNs&feature=youtu.be " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? From: "jarheadpilot82" To All, It has been a while since anyone has discussed basic stuff. And it has been a while since I posted anything about what I had been doing through the winter, so I thought I would do both. There is an old joke that asks "How do you make Holy Water? Answer: You boil the Hell out of it." Well, making cap strips is similar, except you steam the H*** out of it. I am a basic kind of guy. I am not a fancy builder who can build great looking steam cabinets, or other great looking and great working tools. And I suspect that there are other, similar builders out there. So I guess I am trying to let other builders out there know that you don't have to be a master woodworker to build this airplane (although there are many out there in this forum who do fit that description. Just not me). So here is how I have been bending my cap strips. You can see my fancy steamer. It is a cheapo, Walmart teapot, with the whistler removed. In its place I stuck a length of PVC pipe with some JB Weld to (sort of) seal the joint. I just heated it and boiled/steamed the cap strips for about an hour. I then put them in the cap strip jig made from a 4X4 post. I paid a cabinet shop $10.00 to cut the post to the arc that I marked. Why? Because they had a much better band saw than I did and could cut the jig much more accurately than I could. I like the way that the nose of the cap strip fits securely in the slot, and then all I need are a couple clamps to hold things overnight. It ain't rocket science, and I hope that I motivate someone to get started on their wing ribs. P.S. I loaded the pictures in the order I wanted, but they came out backwards. So "the last shall be first, and the first shall be last." You get thi idea. Also, in case you are wondering what the holes in the cap strip jig are for, they were my initial idea that I could use plastic ties to hold the cap strips. Bad Idea. can't pull the ties tight enough. Clamps work better. Not all ideas are good ones! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394837#394837 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2632_152.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2610_659.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2629_177.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2630_152.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2628_682.jpg ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:55 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? ...or just soak overnight in cold water. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82 Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 3:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? --> To All, It has been a while since anyone has discussed basic stuff. And it has been a while since I posted anything about what I had been doing through the winter, so I thought I would do both. There is an old joke that asks "How do you make Holy Water? Answer: You boil the Hell out of it." Well, making cap strips is similar, except you steam the H*** out of it. I am a basic kind of guy. I am not a fancy builder who can build great looking steam cabinets, or other great looking and great working tools. And I suspect that there are other, similar builders out there. So I guess I am trying to let other builders out there know that you don't have to be a master woodworker to build this airplane (although there are many out there in this forum who do fit that description. Just not me). So here is how I have been bending my cap strips. You can see my fancy steamer. It is a cheapo, Walmart teapot, with the whistler removed. In its place I stuck a length of PVC pipe with some JB Weld to (sort of) seal the joint. I just heated it and boiled/steamed the cap strips for about an hour. I then put them in the cap strip jig made from a 4X4 post. I paid a cabinet shop $10.00 to cut the post to the arc that I marked. Why? Because they had a much better band saw than I did and could cut the jig much more accurately than I could. I like the way that the nose of the cap strip fits securely in the slot, and then all I need are a couple clamps to hold things overnight. It ain't rocket science, and I hope that I motivate someone to get started on their wing ribs. P.S. I loaded the pictures in the order I wanted, but they came out backwards. So "the last shall be first, and the first shall be last." You get thi idea. Also, in case you are wondering what the holes in the cap strip jig are for, they were my initial idea that I could use plastic ties to hold the cap strips. Bad Idea. can't pull the ties tight enough. Clamps work better. Not all ideas are good ones! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394837#394837 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2632_152.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2610_659.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2629_177.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2630_152.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2628_682.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? From: "jarheadpilot82" Tried that. Did not work. Snapped every time. I am building my wings using the Godforsaken Riblett airfoil and there may be a little more curve in the upper cap strip than the original Pietenpol air foil. I am not sure, but That's why I steamed them. Thanks for commenting, though. I am just trying to motivate some other builders to get going on their wing ribs. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394841#394841 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:54 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? Steam is more fun, I mean we're mostly GUYS on this list. Cold water, that's kind of, well, basic and boring. :) do not archive On Feb 22, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > > > ...or just soak overnight in cold water. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > jarheadpilot82 > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 3:44 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy > Water? > > --> > > To All, > > It has been a while since anyone has discussed basic stuff. And it > has been > a while since I posted anything about what I had been doing through > the > winter, so I thought I would do both. There is an old joke that asks > "How do > you make Holy Water? Answer: You boil the Hell out of it." Well, > making cap > strips is similar, except you steam the H*** out of it. > > I am a basic kind of guy. I am not a fancy builder who can build great > looking steam cabinets, or other great looking and great working > tools. And > I suspect that there are other, similar builders out there. So I > guess I am > trying to let other builders out there know that you don't have to > be a > master woodworker to build this airplane (although there are many > out there > in this forum who do fit that description. Just not me). > > So here is how I have been bending my cap strips. You can see my fancy > steamer. It is a cheapo, Walmart teapot, with the whistler removed. > In its > place I stuck a length of PVC pipe with some JB Weld to (sort of) > seal the > joint. I just heated it and boiled/steamed the cap strips for about > an hour. > I then put them in the cap strip jig made from a 4X4 post. I paid a > cabinet > shop $10.00 to cut the post to the arc that I marked. Why? Because > they had > a much better band saw than I did and could cut the jig much more > accurately > than I could. I like the way that the nose of the cap strip fits > securely in > the slot, and then all I need are a couple clamps to hold things > overnight. > > It ain't rocket science, and I hope that I motivate someone to get > started > on their wing ribs. > > P.S. I loaded the pictures in the order I wanted, but they came out > backwards. So "the last shall be first, and the first shall be > last." You > get thi idea. > Also, in case you are wondering what the holes in the cap strip jig > are for, > they were my initial idea that I could use plastic ties to hold the > cap > strips. Bad Idea. can't pull the ties tight enough. Clamps work > better. Not > all ideas are good ones! > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394837#394837 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2632_152.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2610_659.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2629_177.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2630_152.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2628_682.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:16 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? I threw mine in the hot tub overnight. Worked just fine. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth Gardner Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? Steam is more fun, I mean we're mostly GUYS on this list. Cold water, that's kind of, well, basic and boring. :) do not archive On Feb 22, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > > > ...or just soak overnight in cold water. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > jarheadpilot82 > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 3:44 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy > Water? > > --> > > To All, > > It has been a while since anyone has discussed basic stuff. And it > has been > a while since I posted anything about what I had been doing through > the > winter, so I thought I would do both. There is an old joke that asks > "How do > you make Holy Water? Answer: You boil the Hell out of it." Well, > making cap > strips is similar, except you steam the H*** out of it. > > I am a basic kind of guy. I am not a fancy builder who can build great > looking steam cabinets, or other great looking and great working > tools. And > I suspect that there are other, similar builders out there. So I > guess I am > trying to let other builders out there know that you don't have to > be a > master woodworker to build this airplane (although there are many > out there > in this forum who do fit that description. Just not me). > > So here is how I have been bending my cap strips. You can see my fancy > steamer. It is a cheapo, Walmart teapot, with the whistler removed. > In its > place I stuck a length of PVC pipe with some JB Weld to (sort of) > seal the > joint. I just heated it and boiled/steamed the cap strips for about > an hour. > I then put them in the cap strip jig made from a 4X4 post. I paid a > cabinet > shop $10.00 to cut the post to the arc that I marked. Why? Because > they had > a much better band saw than I did and could cut the jig much more > accurately > than I could. I like the way that the nose of the cap strip fits > securely in > the slot, and then all I need are a couple clamps to hold things > overnight. > > It ain't rocket science, and I hope that I motivate someone to get > started > on their wing ribs. > > P.S. I loaded the pictures in the order I wanted, but they came out > backwards. So "the last shall be first, and the first shall be > last." You > get thi idea. > Also, in case you are wondering what the holes in the cap strip jig > are for, > they were my initial idea that I could use plastic ties to hold the > cap > strips. Bad Idea. can't pull the ties tight enough. Clamps work > better. Not > all ideas are good ones! > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394837#394837 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2632_152.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2610_659.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2629_177.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2630_152.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2628_682.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? From: "Jerry Dotson" What Gary Boothe said. I borrowed my wife's steamer at first and had poor luck. Started soaking in in a 3" PVC pipe for a couple of days. It was big enough to soak several at a time. My bending/drying jig would hold 6 at a time. Another thing I did was I put the wet sticks in front of a fan forced electric heater real close. That made them retain their bend a lot better. Sort of heat treated the sticks. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394844#394844 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? From: "jarheadpilot82" I thought about trying that, Jack, but didn't know if the chlorine would have any effect on the wood. Also, I wanted to mention if anyone wants to borrow my upper and lower cap strip jigs for the Riblett airfoil, I would be happy to loan them. Just let me know. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394845#394845 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? From: "dgaldrich" I too made the Dread Riblett ribs and found that you also need to put a little bend in the lower capstrips as well as the uppers. On somebody else's suggestion, I soaked mine overnight in a mixture of ammonia and water. 2 to 1 water to ammonia??? In any event that worked reasonably well but there is a trick to putting them in the jig to avoid splitting. I found that if you put the front in the jig and them work your way back, pressing the wood down onto the jig as it's bending, it split a lot less rather than putting one end in the jig and grabbing the other end to force it down over the curve. YMMV. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394847#394847 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? From: "jarheadpilot82" Dave, I maybe should have explained better for the non-Riblett users. You are correct that the lower cap strip has a pretty healthy bend as well as the upper cap strip. I have separate jig for each. And my mileage was similar, in that using my hand to help the bending as opposed to just grabbing the tail of the cap strip and bending from the end made for much less splitting. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394848#394848 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:36 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? See? Now that's a GUY approach to getting the job done. do not archive On Feb 22, 2013, at 8:23 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > > > > I threw mine in the hot tub overnight. Worked just fine. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip > and Beth > Gardner > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 7:43 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making > Holy > Water? > > > > Steam is more fun, I mean we're mostly GUYS on this list. Cold water, > that's kind of, well, basic and boring. :) > > do not archive > > On Feb 22, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > >>> >> >> ...or just soak overnight in cold water. >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> jarheadpilot82 >> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 3:44 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy >> Water? >> >> --> >> >> To All, >> >> It has been a while since anyone has discussed basic stuff. And it >> has been >> a while since I posted anything about what I had been doing through >> the >> winter, so I thought I would do both. There is an old joke that asks >> "How do >> you make Holy Water? Answer: You boil the Hell out of it." Well, >> making cap >> strips is similar, except you steam the H*** out of it. >> >> I am a basic kind of guy. I am not a fancy builder who can build >> great >> looking steam cabinets, or other great looking and great working >> tools. And >> I suspect that there are other, similar builders out there. So I >> guess I am >> trying to let other builders out there know that you don't have to >> be a >> master woodworker to build this airplane (although there are many >> out there >> in this forum who do fit that description. Just not me). >> >> So here is how I have been bending my cap strips. You can see my >> fancy >> steamer. It is a cheapo, Walmart teapot, with the whistler removed. >> In its >> place I stuck a length of PVC pipe with some JB Weld to (sort of) >> seal the >> joint. I just heated it and boiled/steamed the cap strips for about >> an hour. >> I then put them in the cap strip jig made from a 4X4 post. I paid a >> cabinet >> shop $10.00 to cut the post to the arc that I marked. Why? Because >> they had >> a much better band saw than I did and could cut the jig much more >> accurately >> than I could. I like the way that the nose of the cap strip fits >> securely in >> the slot, and then all I need are a couple clamps to hold things >> overnight. >> >> It ain't rocket science, and I hope that I motivate someone to get >> started >> on their wing ribs. >> >> P.S. I loaded the pictures in the order I wanted, but they came out >> backwards. So "the last shall be first, and the first shall be >> last." You >> get thi idea. >> Also, in case you are wondering what the holes in the cap strip jig >> are for, >> they were my initial idea that I could use plastic ties to hold the >> cap >> strips. Bad Idea. can't pull the ties tight enough. Clamps work >> better. Not >> all ideas are good ones! >> >> -------- >> Semper Fi, >> >> Terry Hand >> Athens, GA >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394837#394837 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2632_152.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2610_659.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2629_177.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2630_152.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2628_682.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? From: "Mark Roberts" Nice idea posting some of the basics like this... I am not only building the dreaded Riblett airfoil, I'm building the FATTER one, the Riblett GA-30-613.5 version (as Harry Riblett would continue to correct me as we discussed the airfoil on the phone one day...). I cut a profile of the modified airfoil with an exaggerated bend on the top and bottom of the airfoil with a CNC machine, and put some holes in it for pins to be placed that held the bungie cord "clamps" I used. (Pictures if I get a chance...). Here's the "high-tech", harder than it has to be (but I did it anyway and that's why it's taking me years to build the plane") method I used for soaking the cap strips on the ribs I have so far: I built a soaking tube out of PVC pipe, capped on end, and put a slip cap on the other with a vacuum tube fitting on it. I put an "o" ring in the cap and filled the tube 1/2 way with water. Dropped 6-8 capstrips in, sealed the tube and flipped on the vacuum pump for an hour or so. Pressure sucked the water into the wood a bit more than just soaking, and I haven't had a strip crack yet putting it on the bending jig. But, a bathtub, hot tub, or just soaking it overnight is easier and works as well I think. But the steam kettle-PVC system looks cool! My .02.... Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394850#394850 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BFR review From: "Mark Roberts" You know Mike, you outta get the award for "best ambassador of Pietenpol's" in short clip movies, but I am not sure the Academy grants such an award. Perhaps we can suggest one? Regardless, how nice it must be to have such a recognizable representation of an iconic plane. And, to have helped so many follow suit! 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