---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/24/13: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:14 AM - Re: Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? (Wayne Bressler) 2. 03:25 AM - Re: Re: So Now What Do You Do With Them There Bent Strips? (Jack) 3. 03:51 AM - Re: So Now What Do You Do With Them There Bent Strips? (jarheadpilot82) 4. 05:20 AM - Mud daubers: A report (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 05:25 AM - Re: Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? (Kip and Beth Gardner) 6. 06:09 AM - Re: Mud daubers: A report (tools) 7. 06:30 AM - Re: Mud daubers: A report (TriScout) 8. 07:51 AM - Re: Mud daubers: A report (Jack Phillips) 9. 08:09 AM - Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? (jarheadpilot82) 10. 08:17 AM - Re: Mud daubers: A report (Scott Knowlton) 11. 08:28 AM - Re: So Now What Do You Do With Them There Bent Strips? (John Francis) 12. 08:33 AM - Re: So Now What Do You Do With Them There Bent Strips? (John Francis) 13. 08:43 AM - Re: So Now What Do You Do With Them There Bent Strips? (echobravo4) 14. 09:16 AM - Re: So Now What Do You Do With Them There Bent Strips? (tools) 15. 09:30 AM - Rib Question (jet_jockey) 16. 09:48 AM - Re: Mud daubers: A report (helspersew@aol.com) 17. 09:52 AM - Re: Rib Question (Gary Boothe) 18. 10:17 AM - Re: Mud daubers: A report (Gary Boothe) 19. 10:36 AM - Re: Rib Question (norm) 20. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Mud daubers: A report (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 21. 10:54 AM - Re: Mud daubers: A report (Jerry Dotson) 22. 11:09 AM - Re: Rib Question (tools) 23. 11:50 AM - making ribs (Oscar Zuniga) 24. 11:55 AM - Re: Mud daubers: A report (taildrags) 25. 12:20 PM - Re: So Now What Do You Do With Them There Bent Strips? (biplan53) 26. 01:20 PM - Re: Rib Question (jarheadpilot82) 27. 05:42 PM - Bill Rewey Piet (FandS_Piet) 28. 09:55 PM - Re: So Now What Do You Do With Them There Bent Strips? (Mark Roberts) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? From: Wayne Bressler Terry, Consider looking for one at a Habitat for Humanity Re-Store. They sell all kinds of stuff leftover from remodels, etc, and often at very low prices. A quick google search should tell you if there's one in your area. Wayne Bressler Taildraggers, Inc. www.taildraggersinc.com On Feb 23, 2013, at 10:15 AM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote: > > Dave, > > Actually I am looking for a (cheap) crappy oven on Craigslist that maybe the burners on top are dead, so I can buy it and use it for powder coating. I am trying to avoid the "kitchen remodel to get an oven" deal. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394863#394863 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:22 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: So Now What Do You Do With Them There Bent Strips? Terry I agree with Tools, very effective. Do a couple of "practice" runs because they cut a lot of wood very fast. Even with the taper bit you will still need to touch the edges with a sander. Jack Textor Des Moines, IA -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: So Now What Do You Do With Them There Bent Strips? Hey Terry! Nice looking jig! Search for laminate trimmer router bits. They're a flush cutting router bit with an end mounted bearing. Will work easiest in a router table, will have to run around one side and then flip over, but will go REALLY fast and effective. For the discerning craftsman, some of then will even put in a slight bevel... Designed to cut counter top laminates flush. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394911#394911 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: So Now What Do You Do With Them There Bent Strips? From: "jarheadpilot82" Tools and Jack, I am inclined to use the flush router bit with my router and table. Fortunately, I have an unusable rib made from jig 1.0 that needs trimming. If I muck that one up, no great loss. I was going to hang it on the wall, so no big deal. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394915#394915 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report From: helspersew@aol.com A couple "o" frustrating days down here at Loensloe Airfield. As I have pre viously stated, I am trying to complete a now due and required BFR, to be f lown in my Aeronca 15-AC Sedan. Awhile back I discovered a completely- clo gged-with-mud pitot tube, thanks to our friends the mud daubers, or as some down here refer to "dirt" daubers. My first remedy was to hold a vacuum up to the tube as I simultaneously poked the dried and caked clog with a .040 safety wire. This seemed to work just fine as far as I could tell. Subsequ ent flights revealed erroneous readings on the low side. So I disconnected the hoses at the wing root, flushed water into the Pitot tube and then blew out with compressed air. Muddy water ejected. So I thought I had it but su bsequent flight revealed no improvement. So then I disconnected the lines a t the instruments and blew air through the lines that run from the wing roo t to the instruments. I thought I detected some dust being ejected. A subse quent flight revealed no improvement. ARGGGG. What now, a new airspeed? Cou ld that dust have affected the instrument like that? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:07 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? Second on thew ReStore. Check there often if you have one, stuff moves through ReStores really fast. Our local one often has unannounced 25% or 50% off days. I got a perfectly functional oven for the farmhouse for $50. Also a great place to pick up a beer fridge for the hangar. Kip Gardner On Feb 24, 2013, at 6:13 AM, Wayne Bressler wrote: > > > > Terry, > > Consider looking for one at a Habitat for Humanity Re-Store. They > sell all kinds of stuff leftover from remodels, etc, and often at > very low prices. A quick google search should tell you if there's > one in your area. > > Wayne Bressler > Taildraggers, Inc. > www.taildraggersinc.com > > On Feb 23, 2013, at 10:15 AM, "jarheadpilot82" > wrote: > >> > >> >> Dave, >> >> Actually I am looking for a (cheap) crappy oven on Craigslist that >> maybe the burners on top are dead, so I can buy it and use it for >> powder coating. I am trying to avoid the "kitchen remodel to get an >> oven" deal. >> >> -------- >> Semper Fi, >> >> Terry Hand >> Athens, GA >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394863#394863 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mud daubers: A report From: "tools" You'd have to do some searching on the EAA website, but there was an excellent article about a year or two ago on building a simple manometer and how to use it for the purpose of verifying or calibrating an airspeed indicator. While I haven't taken an airspeed indicator apart, I have taken apart a lot of very finely calibrated and intricate inner working pressure gages and metrology stuff (dial indicators, co ax indicators, last word style indicators, pressure gages for leak down testers) and they aren't that complicated or difficult to work on. If you find with the manometer that the gage is bad, I wouldn't hesitate to take it apart and see if some dust jammed up the works somehow. Might be as simple as a little compressed air once the back is off. Good luck! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394919#394919 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mud daubers: A report From: "TriScout" I had a pet mud dauber when I was a kid. His name was Clyde... larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394920#394920 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:01 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report Dan I hate to say it but you probably hosed your airspeed indicator when you put the vacuum on it. I got some water in the pitot of my old Cessna 140 many years ago and tried sucking it out by mouth. I got the water out, but the airspeed indicator was never the same. I tried to fix it but ended up buying a new one. They are very sensitive and easily damaged. When you applied suction you probably deformed the return spring. Now I never blow directly into the pitot tube, or apply suction at all. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 8:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report A couple "o" frustrating days down here at Loensloe Airfield. As I have previously stated, I am trying to complete a now due and required BFR, to be flown in my Aeronca 15-AC Sedan. Awhile back I discovered a completely- clogged-with-mud pitot tube, thanks to our friends the mud daubers, or as some down here refer to "dirt" daubers. My first remedy was to hold a vacuum up to the tube as I simultaneously poked the dried and caked clog with a .040 safety wire. This seemed to work just fine as far as I could tell. Subsequent flights revealed erroneous readings on the low side. So I disconnected the hoses at the wing root, flushed water into the Pitot tube and then blew out with compressed air. Muddy water ejected. So I thought I had it but subsequent flight revealed no improvement. So then I disconnected the lines at the instruments and blew air through the lines that run from the wing root to the instruments. I thought I detected some dust being ejected. A subsequent flight revealed no improvement. ARGGGG. What now, a new airspeed? Could that dust have affected the instrument like that? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Why Is Steaming Cap Strips Like Making Holy Water? From: "jarheadpilot82" Wayne and Kip, Thanks for the idea. I had forgotten about the Habitat for Humanity ReStore. I was just looking on Craigslist. I will let you know what I find. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394923#394923 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:44 AM PST US From: "Scott Knowlton " Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report The very same thing happened to me with my Stinson. Mud Dauber in the pitot, removed it with welding rod and then asked my inexperienced aircraft partner to blow AT the pitot while I looked at the ASI (lessoned learned: be the person gently blowing air at your pitot, not the one watching the ASI). I watched with horror and before I could say anything his mouth was covering the end of the pitot and he did his best Louis Armstrong impression. ASI went to the shop twice before we gave up on it and replaced it. Along with the new one we purchased a nice pitot cover. Scott Knowlton -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report Dan I hate to say it but you probably hosed your airspeed indicator when you put the vacuum on it. I got some water in the pitot of my old Cessna 140 many years ago and tried sucking it out by mouth. I got the water out, but the airspeed indicator was never the same. I tried to fix it but ended up buying a new one. They are very sensitive and easily damaged. When you applied suction you probably deformed the return spring. Now I never blow directly into the pitot tube, or apply suction at all. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ---------------- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 8:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report A couple "o" frustrating days down here at Loensloe Airfield. As I have previously stated, I am trying to complete a now due and required BFR, to be flown in my Aeronca 15-AC Sedan. Awhile back I discovered a completely- clogged-with-mud pitot tube, thanks to our friends the mud daubers, or as some down here refer to "dirt" daubers. My first remedy was to hold a vacuum up to the tube as I simultaneously poked the dried and caked clog with a .040 safety wire. This seemed to work just fine as far as I could tell. Subsequent flights revealed erroneous readings onthe low side. So I disconnected the hoses at the wing root, flushed water into the Pitot tubeand then blew out with compressed air. Muddy water ejected. So I thought I had it but subsequent flight revealed no improvement. So then I disconnected the lines at the instruments and blew air through the lines that run from the wing root to the instruments. I thought I detected some dust being ejected. A subsequent flight revealed no improvement. ARGGGG. What now, a new airspeed? Could that dust have affected the instrument like that? Dan Helsper ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: So Now What Do You Do With Them There Bent Strips? From: "John Francis" Terry, You're not just inspiring those who have ribs to build. I love seeing and reading about how others are doing things even I have already been there. Keep up the posting, I'm enjoying it. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394926#394926 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07848_190.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: So Now What Do You Do With Them There Bent Strips? From: "John Francis" jarheadpilot82 wrote: > Tools and Jack, > > I am inclined to use the flush router bit with my router and table. Fortunately, I have an unusable rib made from jig 1.0 that needs trimming. If I muck that one up, no great loss. I was going to hang it on the wall, so no big deal. The router table and flush cut bit made my ribs look a professional built them. I find myself veering away from power tools as each assembly becomes more finished as I have too much invested in the part at that point. I'm afraid a jerk or miss will rip them up You'll learn to use hand tools with more care and end up loving the way they work the wood without all the noise and dust. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394927#394927 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: So Now What Do You Do With Them There Bent Strips? From: "echobravo4" I agree John The disc/belt sander is great, but as things get closer to finished The planes and sanding blocks get more and more use -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394928#394928 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: So Now What Do You Do With Them There Bent Strips? From: "tools" Me three. There's a huge misconception that power tools enable you to do nicer work, and makes it easier. Generally, not true. Learning to use the power tool is about the same as learning to use the hand tool, but burns up a lot more material in the process! Very generic use of them, like to rip rough stock to width, is an exception obviously. A nice little hand plane (think Stanley 100 series, or the 60 1/2) will do TONS of work, easily and effortlessly and will never risk an entire assembly due to one small glitch. You tend to sneak up on the right size, or whatever and can correct as you go. Once you're a little proficient, it's many times faster than reconfiguring the power tool, cheaper than buying the tooling, etc. When I first started woodworking I realized I could afford the nicest chisels made on earth (hand forged Barr chisels, about $80 ea, albeit expensive, amortized over 60 years, cheap - then they'll outlive my son, and maybe his) which can do about ANY operation, while the nicest bandsaw, tablesaw, shaper combined, in AMATEUR grade would run over a grand, without tooling. Very few people have quit woodworking because of a chisel injury as well, not so with tablesaws... Professional power tools in the same class as the chisels, about $15 grand EACH... These days, whatever hand tool you're interested in gaining some insight on, just go to youtube. Handsaws, linear stroke. Hand planes, lap the bottom flat. Chisels, sharpen the BACK as well... etc. I'm pretty sure I could trim all those ribs with my $3 stanley 102 (flea market find) quicker than most could set up a router table, get the bit height set (if you're using a bevel), make some practice runs, etc. AND I could do it in my living room watching TV, clean the mess up with a rat tail and a dustpan and carry on a conversation and drink a beer safely. Using these versatile, small and affordable hand tools is a nice cartharsis as well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394930#394930 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Question From: "jet_jockey" I have 3 sets of the full size rib drawings and all of them are 1/8' shorter then the 27 3/4' spar distance. I think this is a problem?? Are the Air Camper's ribs the same as the Sky Scouts? -Matt- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394931#394931 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report From: helspersew@aol.com That is actually good news Jack, because I am leaning toward just buying a new airspeed. Hopefully I'll just put in on and be done with the problem. A nd yea, my nice home-made pitot cover was "put away" in my storage containe r in the baggage compartment....... Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:52 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report Dan I hate to say it but you probablyhosed your airspeed indicator when you put the vacuum on it. I got somewater in the pitot of my old Cessna 140 m any years ago and tried sucking it outby mouth. I got the water out, but t he airspeed indicator was never thesame. I tried to fix it but ended up bu ying a new one. They arevery sensitive and easily damaged. When you appli ed suction you probablydeformed the return spring. Now I never blow direct ly into the pitottube, or apply suction at all. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list -server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 20138:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Muddaubers: A report A couple "o" frustrating daysdown here at Loensloe Airfield. As I have prev iously stated, I am trying tocomplete a now due and required BFR, to be flo wn in my Aeronca 15-AC Sedan. Awhile backI discovered a completely- clogge d-with-mud pitot tube, thanks to our friendsthe mud daubers, or as some dow n here refer to "dirt" daubers. Myfirst remedy was to hold a vacuum up to t he tube as I simultaneously poked thedried and caked clog with a .040 safet y wire. This seemed to work just fine asfar as I could tell. Subsequent fli ghts revealed erroneous readings on thelow side. So I disconnected the hose s at the wing root, flushed water into thePitot tube and then blew out with compressed air. Muddy water ejected. SoI thought I had it but subsequent f light revealed no improvement. So then Idisconnected the lines at the instr uments and blew air through the lines thatrun from the wing root to the ins truments. I thought I detected some dust beingejected. A subsequent flight revealed no improvement. ARGGGG. What now, a newairspeed? Could that dust h ave affected the instrument like that? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:12 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rib Question If it was mine, I would cut the drawings in half, add a sheet of paper in back, and re-align at the proper spar distance (add 1/8"). Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jet_jockey Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:27 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Question --> I have 3 sets of the full size rib drawings and all of them are 1/8' shorter then the 27 3/4' spar distance. I think this is a problem?? Are the Air Camper's ribs the same as the Sky Scouts? -Matt- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394931#394931 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:28 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report Once you get the new one in, have someone blow into the pitot while you watch the instrument! ;-) Gary Boothe NX308MB OK.just kidding! From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report That is actually good news Jack, because I am leaning toward just buying a new airspeed. Hopefully I'll just put in on and be done with the problem. And yea, my nice home-made pitot cover was "put away" in my storage container in the baggage compartment....... Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:52 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report Dan I hate to say it but you probably hosed your airspeed indicator when you put the vacuum on it. I got some water in the pitot of my old Cessna 140 many years ago and tried sucking it out by mouth. I got the water out, but the airspeed indicator was never the same. I tried to fix it but ended up buying a new one. They are very sensitive and easily damaged. When you applied suction you probably deformed the return spring. Now I never blow directly into the pitot tube, or apply suction at all. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 8:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report A couple "o" frustrating days down here at Loensloe Airfield. As I have previously stated, I am trying to complete a now due and required BFR, to be flown in my Aeronca 15-AC Sedan. Awhile back I discovered a completely- clogged-with-mud pitot tube, thanks to our friends the mud daubers, or as some down here refer to "dirt" daubers. My first remedy was to hold a vacuum up to the tube as I simultaneously poked the dried and caked clog with a .040 safety wire. This seemed to work just fine as far as I could tell. Subsequent flights revealed erroneous readings on the low side. So I disconnected the hoses at the wing root, flushed water into the Pitot tube and then blew out with compressed air. Muddy water ejected. So I thought I had it but subsequent flight revealed no improvement. So then I disconnected the lines at the instruments and blew air through the lines that run from the wing root to the instruments. I thought I detected some dust being ejected. A subsequent flight revealed no improvement. ARGGGG. What now, a new airspeed? Could that dust have affected the instrument like that? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:42 AM PST US From: norm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Question Why not just redraw the verticals each over 1/16 of an inch... --- On Sun, 2/24/13, jet_jockey wrote: From: jet_jockey Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Question > I have 3 sets of the full size rib drawings and all of them are 1/8' shorte r then the 27 3/4' spar distance. I think this is a problem?? Are the Air Camper's ribs the same as the Sky Scouts? ----Matt- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394931#394931 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:39 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report During a series of bounce and goes during my tailwheel training in a Champ, the airspeed suddenly dropped to zero. The instructor yelled "I have the plane" and shoved the stick forward while starting a go around. (it was not that frenzied) He took it around and brought it in just a little hot and let the airspeed drop to land. When we stopped there was a mud dauber (or yellow jacket) stuck in the Pitot. Message The Mud Daubers are out to get us. be sure you Blow gently, when you check. You can damage the airspeed with your breath. Years ago, I had a grandson shoot a little air from the air hose into my pitot as he walked by, $180 airspeed overhaul later it was fixed. BTW what I have used to check lines like the Pitot and fuel lines is a piece of Weed trimmer string. Stiff enough to knock out a dirt dauber nest, flexible enough to follow the tube an soft enough not to scratch the pipe. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report > Once you get the new one in, have someone blow into the pitot while > youwatch the instrument! ;-) > > > > Gary Boothe > > NX308MB > > OK.just kidding! > > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > helspersew@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:29 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report > > > > That is actually good news Jack, because I am leaning toward just > buying a > new airspeed. Hopefully I'll just put in on and be done with the > problem.And yea, my nice home-made pitot cover was "put away" in my > storagecontainer in the baggage compartment....... > > > > Dan Helsper > > Puryear, TN > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Phillips < > To: pietenpol-list < > Sent: Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:52 am > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report > > Dan I hate to say it but you probably hosed your airspeed indicator when you > put the vacuum on it. I got some water in the pitot of my old Cessna 140 > many years ago and tried sucking it out by mouth. I got the water out, but > the airspeed indicator was never the same. I tried to fix it but ended up > buying a new one. They are very sensitive and easily damaged. When you > applied suction you probably deformed the return spring. Now I never blow > directly into the pitot tube, or apply suction at all. > > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > > _____ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of > helspersew@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 8:20 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report > > > > A couple "o" frustrating days down here at Loensloe Airfield. As I have > previously stated, I am trying to complete a now due and required BFR, to be > flown in my Aeronca 15-AC Sedan. Awhile back I discovered a completely- > clogged-with-mud pitot tube, thanks to our friends the mud daubers, or as > some down here refer to "dirt" daubers. My first remedy was to hold a vacuum > up to the tube as I simultaneously poked the dried and caked clog with a > .040 safety wire. This seemed to work just fine as far as I could tell. > Subsequent flights revealed erroneous readings on the low side. So I > disconnected the hoses at the wing root, flushed water into the Pitot tube > and then blew out with compressed air. Muddy water ejected. So I thought I > had it but subsequent flight revealed no improvement. So then I disconnected > the lines at the instruments and blew air through the lines that run from > the wing root to the instruments. I thought I detected some dust being > ejected. A subsequent flight revealed no improvement. ARGGGG. What now, a > new airspeed? Could that dust have affected the instrument like that? > > > > Dan Helsper > > Puryear, TN > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mud daubers: A report From: "Jerry Dotson" I wrecked a pristine Stinson 108 in 1973 from an insect stopping up the fuel cap gas tank vent. It quit me on takeoff (30-40 feet high) and I was slow and didn't have enough airspeed to break the descent rate. Lesson learned. Busted landing gear, smashed the belly a little too. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394943#394943 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Question From: "tools" Paper that size can expand or shrink based on humidity levels to account for that difference. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394944#394944 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:17 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: making ribs Couldn't stand it... I changed the subject line =3Bo) Terry=2C I'm with th e others who suggested a drum or belt/disk sander. Should work quickly to get the ribs to final shape. I have the Harbor Freight belt/disk sander th at someone else mentioned and it is truly a "Chinese Army knife"- I use it for lots of things. However=2C if the other poster was referring to the sm all adjustable metal angle that sits near the downstream end of the belt as the "guard"=2C I sure wouldn't remove it. If you're trying to sand a smal l piece of something and the belt grabs it=2C that metal angle keeps it fro m getting swept away or tossed across the room. I use that metal angle as a stop to hold the workpiece where I want it on the belt (the middle area t ends to wear faster than the edges=2C and when I'm hogging material off in a hurry=2C I can bear down on the work with it held against that stop and t he belt won't strip it away from me.) By the way=2C Air Camper ribs without undercamber are just wrong =3Bo) Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mud daubers: A report From: "taildrags" Scout has one of those little flapper thingies on the end of the pitot to cover it when the airplane isn't moving through the air. Keeps rain and bugs out (or so they say). -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394945#394945 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: So Now What Do You Do With Them There Bent Strips? From: "biplan53" I think power tools can really help, but in my case they can ruin a part twice as fast as a hand tool if you don't practice on some scrap material first. -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394949#394949 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Question From: "jarheadpilot82" Matt, You didn't say which airfoil, although it really doesn't matter. The easy way is probably Gary Boothe's. However, if you want to make sure everything is in the right proportion, and you have the plot coordinates for the airfoil, I can send you instructions on how to resize on your computer any airfoil to whatever chord length you desire. So as to not clog up the forum, if you think it would help, feel free to contact me off line. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394952#394952 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bill Rewey Piet From: "FandS_Piet" Does anybody know if Bill Rewey's Piet is still for sale? Thanks, Fred -------- Fred Kim Pittsburgh, Pa Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394963#394963 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: So Now What Do You Do With Them There Bent Strips? From: "Mark Roberts" Hey John, Where'd you get that great drill guide? I was wanting something like that but didn't know where to get one. I would love to get one like yours! 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