Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Thu 02/28/13


Total Messages Posted: 36



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     1. 04:22 AM - How I decided to build a Pietenpol (giacummo)
     2. 04:22 AM - How I decided to build a Pietenpol (giacummo)
     3. 04:31 AM - Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol (Jack Phillips)
     4. 04:49 AM - Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol (helspersew@aol.com)
     5. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: Offset and Trim (Michael Perez)
     6. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: pics of powder coating (shad bell)
     7. 07:16 AM - Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol (Ken Bickers)
     8. 07:32 AM - Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol (Michael Perez)
     9. 07:35 AM - engine offset (Douwe Blumberg)
    10. 07:57 AM - Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol (giacummo)
    11. 08:17 AM - re re re powder coating (Michael Weston)
    12. 08:24 AM - Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol (John Fay)
    13. 08:26 AM - Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol (gboothe5@comcast.net)
    14. 08:26 AM - Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol (Jim Boyer)
    15. 09:54 AM - Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol (Jack)
    16. 10:04 AM - Corvair flywheel/ring gear (shad bell)
    17. 10:37 AM - motivation (Oscar Zuniga)
    18. 10:42 AM - newbie question (mercer.k@comcast.net)
    19. 10:46 AM - motivation (Oscar Zuniga)
    20. 10:55 AM - Re: newbie question (taildrags)
    21. 10:56 AM - Re: newbie question (Jack Phillips)
    22. 11:06 AM - Re: motivation (Jim Boyer)
    23. 11:13 AM - Re: newbie question (Jim Boyer)
    24. 11:17 AM - a view from the cockpit (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    25. 11:21 AM - Re: newbie question (Jim Boyer)
    26. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: newbie question (gboothe5@comcast.net)
    27. 11:33 AM - Re: newbie question (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    28. 11:54 AM - Re: newbie question (echobravo4)
    29. 12:03 PM - Re: newbie question (Bill Church)
    30. 12:10 PM - beware of this man..... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    31. 12:12 PM - Re: newbie question (helspersew@aol.com)
    32. 12:41 PM - Re: newbie question (Jack Phillips)
    33. 01:38 PM - Re: motivation (Mario Giacummo)
    34. 05:52 PM - Re: powder coating is almost impossible to remove (Joe Motis)
    35. 05:58 PM - Re: newbie question (Jack)
    36. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: newbie question (Ray Krause)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:22:13 AM PST US
    Subject: How I decided to build a Pietenpol
    From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
    I am going to follow Ken Bickers suggestion (thanks for your words, either Rick Schreiber), I am going to tell you how I decided to build an airplane, specificaly a Piet. Once upon a time ;o))))) I could not resist. I always like planes, I born and grow near the international airport of Montevideo, and in this airport was the unique air force base too. Every day I saw the Lockheed T-33 and F-80 (the only reaction fighters we had in this time.. now we only have half a dozen Cessnas A-37) fly over my head. they like me. My father was a navy officer, and teach me how to make model airplanes (contradiction, we do not have aircraft carriers) , I build four or five, the last one a Fleet Canuck. I was 11, it was a relatively big model, all of balsa sticks, very thin stick... it was a hard work, a very hard work, and I thought.. "it should be easier make a really one than this model..." anyway I forgot evrything for years. In the 80's Popular Mechanics publish an article about the Woodhooper and I bought the plans, but for a, b and c I never start with it. Three or four years ago, I went to fly with a frind who bought a Driftler and after that and all the internet put in our fingers i decide to build an airplane... but wich one. The first time I saw a Piet (years before the Driftler trip) it like me very much two things, the high wing over the fusselage that clear you the view of the land over you fly, and the option to carry a passanger; but it was a little big and complicated to build in this moment.. I kept looking for others models more easy to build, and I found the Skypup.. excelent option for me, little engine, just styro and wood... an incredible two axis controls flying machine. I read a lot about it, an the more I read the more it convinces me to build it, BUT!!! the engine in fron of your nose do not convinced me... the front of the airplane is really horrible... I was thinking in modify somthing, like build it as a pusher... but, no, keep it as it is. And in this things I was when an other friend told me: - Mario, I want to fly but not alone, with you.. -> You, fly?.. now?...you never like airplanes, what happend with you? - I want to see the country from aboove -> !?!!??!? A strange story, somethinf like "The bucket list"... anyway, he told me to find an airplane and buy one, but under XX dolars, but here there are nothing in the market, in a moment there was a trike that we could buy, but it flew quick. Other option was buy something in Argentina or Brasil and bring it here, but taxes where too high.. so he proposed me forget the Skypup and build a biplace one, and the Piet come back and here I am. There are others biplaces with high wing, but they are designed with lots of parts of aluminium 6061 that do not exsist here, or with composites parts.. any material different from wood it would cost me too much and it would be difficult to obtain here in aeronautical standards. Other thing that I kept in mind before begin the project was to find somebody that can help me in the project, and the only one I trust to do this job was my father, he like the idea, he have all the day to work in it, he is a very detailed worker, so we started and here we are I do not remember how I came to this forum... but the first with I had cyberpersonal contact was Jack Textor, who send me a CD with lots of photos and pdf articles about the piet, after him Oscar Zuiga send me a set of plans and a Mike Cuy DVD of the Piet, and now all of you who in a way or another help me to keep it marching on. May be some day i can go to brodhaed, but without the Piet... or.. whil I be able to cross the Andes with a Piet? ;o) Let's work, best regards. -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395260#395260


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    Time: 04:22:36 AM PST US
    Subject: How I decided to build a Pietenpol
    From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
    I am going to follow Ken Bickers suggestion (thanks for your words, either Rick Schreiber), I am going to tell you how I decided to build an airplane, specificaly a Piet. Once upon a time ;o))))) I could not resist. I always like planes, I born and grow near the international airport of Montevideo, and in this airport was the unique air force base too. Every day I saw the Lockheed T-33 and F-80 (the only reaction fighters we had in this time.. now we only have half a dozen Cessnas A-37) fly over my head. they like me. My father was a navy officer, and teach me how to make model airplanes (contradiction, we do not have aircraft carriers) , I build four or five, the last one a Fleet Canuck. I was 11, it was a relatively big model, all of balsa sticks, very thin stick... it was a hard work, a very hard work, and I thought.. "it should be easier make a really one than this model..." anyway I forgot evrything for years. In the 80's Popular Mechanics publish an article about the Woodhooper and I bought the plans, but for a, b and c I never start with it. Three or four years ago, I went to fly with a frind who bought a Driftler and after that and all the internet put in our fingers i decide to build an airplane... but wich one. The first time I saw a Piet (years before the Driftler trip) it like me very much two things, the high wing over the fusselage that clear you the view of the land over you fly, and the option to carry a passanger; but it was a little big and complicated to build in this moment.. I kept looking for others models more easy to build, and I found the Skypup.. excelent option for me, little engine, just styro and wood... an incredible two axis controls flying machine. I read a lot about it, an the more I read the more it convinces me to build it, BUT!!! the engine in fron of your nose do not convinced me... the front of the airplane is really horrible... I was thinking in modify somthing, like build it as a pusher... but, no, keep it as it is. And in this things I was when an other friend told me: - Mario, I want to fly but not alone, with you.. -> You, fly?.. now?...you never like airplanes, what happend with you? - I want to see the country from aboove -> !?!!??!? A strange story, somethinf like "The bucket list"... anyway, he told me to find an airplane and buy one, but under XX dolars, but here there are nothing in the market, in a moment there was a trike that we could buy, but it flew quick. Other option was buy something in Argentina or Brasil and bring it here, but taxes where too high.. so he proposed me forget the Skypup and build a biplace one, and the Piet come back and here I am. There are others biplaces with high wing, but they are designed with lots of parts of aluminium 6061 that do not exsist here, or with composites parts.. any material different from wood it would cost me too much and it would be difficult to obtain here in aeronautical standards. Other thing that I kept in mind before begin the project was to find somebody that can help me in the project, and the only one I trust to do this job was my father, he like the idea, he have all the day to work in it, he is a very detailed worker, so we started and here we are I do not remember how I came to this forum... but the first with I had cyberpersonal contact was Jack Textor, who send me a CD with lots of photos and pdf articles about the piet, after him Oscar Zuiga send me a set of plans and a Mike Cuy DVD of the Piet, and now all of you who in a way or another help me to keep it marching on. May be some day i can go to brodhaed, but without the Piet... or.. whil I be able to cross the Andes with a Piet? ;o) Let's work, best regards. -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395261#395261


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    Time: 04:31:29 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: How I decided to build a Pietenpol
    Great Story, Mario! Good luck with your project. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:22 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: How I decided to build a Pietenpol I am going to follow Ken Bickers suggestion (thanks for your words, either Rick Schreiber), I am going to tell you how I decided to build an airplane, specificaly a Piet. Once upon a time ;o))))) I could not resist. I always like planes, I born and grow near the international airport of Montevideo, and in this airport was the unique air force base too. Every day I saw the Lockheed T-33 and F-80 (the only reaction fighters we had in this time.. now we only have half a dozen Cessnas A-37) fly over my head. they like me. My father was a navy officer, and teach me how to make model airplanes (contradiction, we do not have aircraft carriers) , I build four or five, the last one a Fleet Canuck. I was 11, it was a relatively big model, all of balsa sticks, very thin stick... it was a hard work, a very hard work, and I thought.. "it should be easier make a really one than this model..." anyway I forgot evrything for years. In the 80's Popular Mechanics publish an article about the Woodhooper and I bought the plans, but for a, b and c I never start with it. Three or four years ago, I went to fly with a frind who bought a Driftler and after that and all the internet put in our fingers i decide to build an airplane... but wich one. The first time I saw a Piet (years before the Driftler trip) it like me very much two things, the high wing over the fusselage that clear you the view of the land over you fly, and the option to carry a passanger; but it was a little big and complicated to build in this moment.. I kept looking for others models more easy to build, and I found the Skypup.. excelent option for me, little engine, just styro and wood... an incredible two axis controls flying machine. I read a lot about it, an the more I read the more it convinces me to build it, BUT!!! the engine in fron of your nose do not convinced me... the front of the airplane is really horrible... I was thinking in modify somthing, like build it as a pusher... but, no, keep it as it is. And in this things I was when an other friend told me: - Mario, I want to fly but not alone, with you.. -> You, fly?.. now?...you never like airplanes, what happend with you? - I want to see the country from aboove -> !?!!??!? A strange story, somethinf like "The bucket list"... anyway, he told me to find an airplane and buy one, but under XX dolars, but here there are nothing in the market, in a moment there was a trike that we could buy, but it flew quick. Other option was buy something in Argentina or Brasil and bring it here, but taxes where too high.. so he proposed me forget the Skypup and build a biplace one, and the Piet come back and here I am. There are others biplaces with high wing, but they are designed with lots of parts of aluminium 6061 that do not exsist here, or with composites parts.. any material different from wood it would cost me too much and it would be difficult to obtain here in aeronautical standards. Other thing that I kept in mind before begin the project was to find somebody that can help me in the project, and the only one I trust to do this job was my father, he like the idea, he have all the day to work in it, he is a very detailed worker, so we started and here we are I do not remember how I came to this forum... but the first with I had cyberpersonal contact was Jack Textor, who send me a CD with lots of photos and pdf articles about the piet, after him Oscar Zuiga send me a set of plans and a Mike Cuy DVD of the Piet, and now all of you who in a way or another help me to keep it marching on. May be some day i can go to brodhaed, but without the Piet... or.. whil I be able to cross the Andes with a Piet? ;o) Let's work, best regards. -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395260#395260


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    Time: 04:49:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Very inspiring story Mario. Really puts a new perspective on the added diff iculties of building a Piet down there. I think (myself included) we misund erstood your meaning of the word "hard" in your previous posts. Now we know . Keep after it amigo. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN


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    Time: 05:50:11 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Offset and Trim
    I was thinking along the same line as you Oscar, so when I made my engine m ount, I added more right and down thrust built into it. As test flights pro gress, I will add washers to the engine mount and/or a trim tab on the rudd er.- I do remember talking about this subject before, just was not sure w ho was involved and where it ended up. Thanks for your input. Curious, do you know how much you offset your engine mount? FYI for those interested in mounting a trim tab, the Tony B. books have som e good gouge on installing one... Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 06:26:08 AM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: pics of powder coating
    Dan, I believe it is a Nissan fly wheel, but I will have to check.- We or igionally ran the tarus fly wheel, but in my oppinion it will more than lik ely crack eventually.- We replaced ours around the 150 hr mark when I fou nd 3 out of 4 webs cracked, one completley across the web.- ours is the s olid flywheel now.- I did have to fabricate a spacer and have the hub tur ned down about 1/8 inch on the crank side to seat properly- (Black Hub wi th puck, old style Wynne hub).- I will check to be sure on the model of t he flywheel. - Shad --- On Thu, 2/28/13, dwilson <marwilson@charter.net> wrote: From: dwilson <marwilson@charter.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: pics of powder coating I have the Ford Taurus flywheel with the open webs.- I was just curious i f anyone knew the model and year of the "other" flywheel.- Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395251#395251 le, List Admin.


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    Time: 07:16:18 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol
    From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
    Mario, thanks for sharing your story. My hat is off to you. I cannot imagine dealing with as many challenges as you have in bringing your dream to life. You and your father have done a great job on your project. Keep at it. Cheers, Ken On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:49 AM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote: > Very inspiring story Mario. Really puts a new perspective on the added > difficulties of building a Piet down there. I think (myself included) we > misunderstood your meaning of the word "hard" in your previous posts. Now we > know. Keep after it amigo. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > >


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    Time: 07:32:17 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol
    Good stuff Mario!- When you are flying your plane, it will all be worth t he trials you had gone through.- Steady as she goes...you'll get there. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 07:35:19 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: engine offset
    In response to Mike P's question re engine offset. I forgot to mention, that I did offset the engine the same amount as Oscar, and combined with the fin offset, she requires no rudder correction at cruise. I think the best advice is to make your best guess on what you've heard, but make it quasi adjustable and dial it in later. Following the proven experience of actual flying airplanes, you'll be pretty darn close from the git-go. Douwe


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    Time: 07:57:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol
    From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
    Thank you, but.. you should have yours, don't you?... regards -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395272#395272


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    Time: 08:17:57 AM PST US
    From: Michael Weston <smikewest@comcast.net>
    Subject: re re re powder coating
    hello, I'm new, so behave. I only use duracote firearms paint instead of powder coating. it's a two part epoxy finish that is REALLY tough. no priming, no baking,easy and not thick like powder coating so cracks are easy to spot. just google lauer custom weaponry. regards. mike w


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    Time: 08:24:19 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol
    From: John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com>
    Thanks, Mario for your story. One of the things I enjoy on this forum, as a lurker who rarely posts, is not only the answers to technical questions and problems, but the stories like yours, and the accounts of flying experiences like Oscar so often posts. These are very worthwhile--motivational and entertaining. And it is great when we all get to know you better and understand your situation. John Fay in Peoria


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    Time: 08:26:49 AM PST US
    From: gboothe5@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol
    Great story, Mario! I'm glad you are able to work with your dad. Keep the p ictures coming.... Gary Boothe NX308MB ----- Original Message ----- From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:22:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: How I decided to build a Pietenpol I am going to follow Ken Bickers suggestion (thanks for your words, either Rick Schreiber), I am going to tell you how I decided to build an airplane, specificaly a Piet. Once upon a time ;o))))) I could not resist. I always like planes, I born and grow near the international airport of Mon tevideo, and in this airport was the unique air force base too. Every day I saw the Lockheed T-33 and F-80 (the only reaction fighters we had in this time.. now we only have half a dozen Cessnas A-37) fly over my head. they l ike me. My father was a navy officer, and teach me how to make model airpla nes (contradiction, we do not have aircraft carriers) , I build four or fiv e, the last one a Fleet Canuck. I was 11, it was a relatively big model, al l of balsa sticks, very thin stick... it was a hard work, a very hard work, and I thought.. "it should be easier make a really one than this model..." anyway I forgot evrything for years. In the 80's Popular Mechanics publish an article about the Woodhooper and I bought the plans, but for a, b and c I never start with it. Three or four years ago, I went to fly with a frind who bought a Driftler a nd after that and all the internet put in our fingers i decide to build an airplane... but wich one. The first time I saw a Piet (years before the Dri ftler trip) it like me very much two things, the high wing over the fussela ge that clear you the view of the land over you fly, and the option to carr y a passanger; but it was a little big and complicated to build in this mom ent.. I kept looking for others models more easy to build, and I found the Skypup.. excelent option for me, little engine, just styro and wood... an i ncredible two axis controls flying machine. I read a lot about it, an the m ore I read the more it convinces me to build it, BUT!!! the engine in fron of your nose do not convinced me... the front of the airplane is really hor rible... I was thinking in modify somthing, like build it as a pusher... bu t, no, keep it as it is. And in this things I was when an other friend told me: - Mario, I want to fly but not alone, with you.. -> You, fly?.. now?...you never like airplanes, what happend with you? - I want to see the country from aboove -> !?!!??!? A strange story, somethinf like "The bucket list"... anyway, he told me to find an airplane and buy one, but under XX dolars, but here there are nothi ng in the market, in a moment there was a trike that we could buy, but it f lew quick. Other option was buy something in Argentina or Brasil and bring it here, but taxes where too high.. so he proposed me forget the Skypup and build a biplace one, and the Piet come back and here I am. There are others biplaces with high wing, but they are designed with lots o f parts of aluminium 6061 that do not exsist here, or with composites parts .. any material different from wood it would cost me too much and it would be difficult to obtain here in aeronautical standards. Other thing that I kept in mind before begin the project was to find somebo dy that can help me in the project, and the only one I trust to do this job was my father, he like the idea, he have all the day to work in it, he is a very detailed worker, so we started and here we are I do not remember how I came to this forum... but the first with I had cybe rpersonal contact was Jack Textor, who send me a CD with lots of photos and pdf articles about the piet, after him Oscar Zu=C3=83=C2=B1iga send me a s et of plans and a Mike Cuy DVD of the Piet, and now all of you who in a way or another help me to keep it marching on. May be some day i can go to brodhaed, but without the Piet... or.. whil I b e able to cross the Andes with a Piet? ;o) Let's work, best regards. -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395261#395261 =========== =========== =========== ===========


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    Time: 08:26:56 AM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol
    Great story of how you got to buillding a Piet Mario. Keep it up and you will be done; I have been on mine almost 11 years and now it is covered and ready for first engine start. cheers, Jim B.


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    Time: 09:54:52 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol
    From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
    Mario, great story and progress, I've enjoyed our friendship! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:21 AM, "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am going to follow Ken Bickers suggestion (thanks for your words, either Rick Schreiber), I am going to tell you how I decided to build an airplane, specificaly a Piet. > > Once upon a time ;o))))) I could not resist. > I always like planes, I born and grow near the international airport of Montevideo, and in this airport was the unique air force base too. Every day I saw the Lockheed T-33 and F-80 (the only reaction fighters we had in this time.. now we only have half a dozen Cessnas A-37) fly over my head. they like me. My father was a navy officer, and teach me how to make model airplanes (contradiction, we do not have aircraft carriers) , I build four or five, the last one a Fleet Canuck. I was 11, it was a relatively big model, all of balsa sticks, very thin stick... it was a hard work, a very hard work, and I thought.. "it should be easier make a really one than this model..." anyway I forgot evrything for years. In the 80's Popular Mechanics publish an article about the Woodhooper and I bought the plans, but for a, b and c I never start with it. > > Three or four years ago, I went to fly with a frind who bought a Driftler and after that and all the internet put in our fingers i decide to build an airplane... but wich one. The first time I saw a Piet (years before the Driftler trip) it like me very much two things, the high wing over the fusselage that clear you the view of the land over you fly, and the option to carry a passanger; but it was a little big and complicated to build in this moment.. I kept looking for others models more easy to build, and I found the Skypup.. excelent option for me, little engine, just styro and wood... an incredible two axis controls flying machine. I read a lot about it, an the more I read the more it convinces me to build it, BUT!!! the engine in fron of your nose do not convinced me... the front of the airplane is really horrible... I was thinking in modify somthing, like build it as a pusher... but, no, keep it as it is. And in this things I was when an other friend told me: > - Mario, I want to fly but not alone, with you.. > -> You, fly?.. now?...you never like airplanes, what happend with you? > - I want to see the country from aboove > -> !?!!??!? > A strange story, somethinf like "The bucket list"... anyway, he told me to find an airplane and buy one, but under XX dolars, but here there are nothing in the market, in a moment there was a trike that we could buy, but it flew quick. Other option was buy something in Argentina or Brasil and bring it here, but taxes where too high.. so he proposed me forget the Skypup and build a biplace one, and the Piet come back and here I am. > > There are others biplaces with high wing, but they are designed with lots of parts of aluminium 6061 that do not exsist here, or with composites parts.. any material different from wood it would cost me too much and it would be difficult to obtain here in aeronautical standards. > > Other thing that I kept in mind before begin the project was to find somebody that can help me in the project, and the only one I trust to do this job was my father, he like the idea, he have all the day to work in it, he is a very detailed worker, so we started and here we are > > I do not remember how I came to this forum... but the first with I had cyberpersonal contact was Jack Textor, who send me a CD with lots of photos and pdf articles about the piet, after him Oscar Zuiga send me a set of plans and a Mike Cuy DVD of the Piet, and now all of you who in a way or another help me to keep it marching on. > > May be some day i can go to brodhaed, but without the Piet... or.. whil I be able to cross the Andes with a Piet? ;o) > > Let's work, best regards. > > -------- > Mario Giacummo > http://vgmk1.blogspot.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395260#395260 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:04:14 AM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Corvair flywheel/ring gear
    According to the logbook entry I made it is a Nissan Sentra flywheel.- it is not webbed, it is a solid flywheel. - Shad --- On Thu, 2/28/13, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote: From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: pics of powder coating Dan, I believe it is a Nissan fly wheel, but I will have to check.- We or igionally ran the tarus fly wheel, but in my oppinion it will more than lik ely crack eventually.- We replaced ours around the 150 hr mark when I fou nd 3 out of 4 webs cracked, one completley across the web.- ours is the s olid flywheel now.- I did have to fabricate a spacer and have the hub tur ned down about 1/8 inch on the crank side to seat properly- (Black Hub wi th puck, old style Wynne hub).- I will check to be sure on the model of t he flywheel. - Shad --- On Thu, 2/28/13, dwilson <marwilson@charter.net> wrote: From: dwilson <marwilson@charter.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: pics of powder coating I have the Ford Taurus flywheel with the open webs.- I was just curious i f anyone knew the model and year of the "other" flywheel.- Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395251#395251 http://www.matr onics.cop; - - - - - - - - - -Matt Draronics.com/contribu tion" ======


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    Time: 10:37:56 AM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: motivation
    OK=2C so here's a link to one (brief) video=2C and thanks to Michael Perez for helping me get it onto YouTube. This is a high-speed pass in an unmodi fied=2C A65-powered Air Camper. This is not a clipped wing airplane=2C doe s not have the Riblett airfoil=2C no turbocharger or water injection=2C no nitrous oxide boost. Nevertheless=2C the speed is impressive! Note that j ust before the pull-up=2C there is clearly a transsonic shock wave visible at the propeller hub and the airplane is completely blurred due to the very high speed of close to 0.12 Mach. Here is a link for the high speed pass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p dLsfko6Kg Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power


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    Time: 10:42:26 AM PST US
    From: mercer.k@comcast.net
    Subject: newbie question
    Guys, I=99m not yet a Piet builder (a correctible character flaw) but as a Sonex builder I keep an eye on several online forums looking for constructi on hints, ideas and general knowledge. I have to say that you guys and gals are the funniest, most constructive (pun intended), and congenial group I =99ve ever run across online, and very few days have gone by over the past couple of years where I didn=99t learn something or get a laugh out of your posts, usually both. Finally, after years of reading about it, watching YouTube videos and seein g photos all over the Web, I=99m coming to Brodhead. I=99d like to come as more than just an observer, though, and was wondering if you al l could tell me if there=99s anything I can do to be more of a partic ipant and support the fly-in. I'll bring a wagon if someone could provide a gas can and point me toward the nearest filling station Regards, Ken Mercer, San Rafael, CA (KDVO)


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    Time: 10:46:40 AM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: motivation
    Here is another video clip=2C one that I hope will be both entertaining and educational. The moral of this story is=2C never attempt to impress a cro wd of onlookers. I thought I would wow them all by touching down in perfec t form right where they were all sitting=2C but... well=2C you'll need to w atch the video (and hear the snide remarks) to see the result. Yes=2C I'm the hapless aviator at the controls and Scout is teaching me a lesson. Aga in=2C thanks to Michael for uploading the file. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK1orR_nzqw Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power


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    Time: 10:55:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: newbie question
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Ken; You know that you're much closer to "Brodhead West" than you are to the other one, right? The West Coast Piet group has a fly-in early in June, so maybe somebody (Gary Boothe?) will chime in with details on the event. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395294#395294


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    Time: 10:56:08 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: newbie question
    Great, Ken! Come on to Brodhead. Bring a 2x4 in case Axel Ezra Purtee requires the use of it. Seriously, bring a camera and a notepad, and an appetite. Nothing else is required (except maybe some cash for T-shirts, and to pay for some of the meals). If you have wheels, you'll not be short of friends. Plan on joining the BPA and you'll get a nametag so we'll know who you are. After a weekend at Brodhead you'll be ready to start building a proper airplane made of Nature's Composite material. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mercer.k@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: newbie question Guys, I'm not yet a Piet builder (a correctible character flaw) but as a Sonex builder I keep an eye on several online forums looking for construction hints, ideas and general knowledge. I have to say that you guys and gals are the funniest, most constructive (pun intended), and congenial group I've ever run across online, and very few days have gone by over the past couple of years where I didn't learn something or get a laugh out of your posts, usually both. Finally, after years of reading about it, watching YouTube videos and seeing photos all over the Web, I'm coming to Brodhead. I'd like to come as more than just an observer, though, and was wondering if you all could tell me if there's anything I can do to be more of a participant and support the fly-in. I'll bring a wagon if someone could provide a gas can and point me toward the nearest filling station. Regards, Ken Mercer, San Rafael, CA (KDVO)


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    Time: 11:06:00 AM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: motivation
    Hi Oscar, The speed was impressive; must be my eyes though as I thought the whole pla ne was blurry. Love the paint job Corky used on it. Cheers, Jim B. OK, so here's a link to one (brief) video, and thanks to Michael Perez for helping me get it onto YouTube.=C2- This is a high-speed pass in an unmod ified, A65-powered Air Camper.=C2- This is not a clipped wing airplane, d oes not have the Riblett airfoil, no turbocharger or water injection, no ni trous oxide boost.=C2-=C2-Nevertheless, the speed is impressive!=C2- Note that just before the pull-up, there is clearly a transsonic shock wave visible at the propeller hub and the airplane is completely blurred due to the very high speed of=C2-close to=C2-0.12 Mach. =C2- Here is a link for the high speed pass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p dLsfko6Kg


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    Time: 11:13:37 AM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: newbie question
    Hi Ken, Actually we have a West Coast Piet flyin the first weekend of June at the F razier Lake airport about 8 miles North of Hollister. Contact Mike Groah, Tulare as he is the official organizer/notice poster; a nd Charlie Miller, Morgan Hill is the official host at his hanger at Frazie r Lake. If you want to see a Piet just covered but not primed or painted yet; I am just North of you in Santa Rosa. I will be working on=C2- my Piet this Fr iday at home. Give me a call at 707-571-8001 or cell 707-953-7837 after 5PM today. Cheers, Jim Finally, after years of reading about it, watching YouTube videos and seein g photos all over the Web, I=99m coming to Brodhead. I=99d like to come as more than just an observer, though, and was wondering if you al l could tell me if there=99s anything I can do to be more of a partic ipant and support the fly-in. I'll bring a wagon if someone could provide a gas can and point me toward the nearest filling station


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    Time: 11:17:32 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: a view from the cockpit
    Here's video I took while strafing a harvested field south of Cleveland a while back and then some views from about 400 feet and 70 mph. The wind noise in the mic is annoying as heck so I prefer to turn the sound almost down but thank God I didn't put music to this as so many people love to do with airplane videos. To me if I'm watching an airplane video I don't want to hear Danger Zone or Ice Ice Baby....I'd r ather hear the airplane engine. Mike C. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_GZLHNUWO8


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    Time: 11:21:17 AM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: newbie question
    Hi Ken, Actually we have a West Coast Piet flyin the first weekend of June at the F razier Lake airport about 8 miles North of Hollister. Contact Mike Groah, Tulare as he is the official organizer/notice poster; a nd Charlie Miller, Morgan Hill is the official host at his hanger at Frazie r Lake. If you want to see a Piet just covered but not primed or painted yet; I am just North of you in Santa Rosa. I will be working on=C2- my Piet this Fr iday at home. Give me a call at 707-571-8001 or cell 707-953-7837 after 5PM today. Cheers, Jim =C2-


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    Time: 11:22:04 AM PST US
    From: gboothe5@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: newbie question
    Ken, You are absolutely invited to the West Coast Pietenpol Gathering on June 1 at Frazier Lake (near Gilroy). Also, if you are interested in seeing a Pietenpol under construction, Jim Boyer is just up the highway from you in Santa Rosa. FYI....Abandoned Sonex projects are strewn across the U.S. as builders discover the joy of Pietenpoling.... Gary Boothe NX308MB From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:53:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: newbie question Ken; You know that you're much closer to "Brodhead West" than you are to the other one, right? The West Coast Piet group has a fly-in early in June, so maybe somebody (Gary Boothe?) will chime in with details on the event. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395294#395294


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    Time: 11:33:08 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: newbie question
    S2VuLCB3ZWxjb21lISEhDQoNCkdvc2ggeW91IHNob3VsZG7igJl0IGZsYXR0ZXIgdXMgYWxsIHNv IG5lZWRsZXNzbHkgYnV0IGl0IHN1cmUgaXMgbmljZSB0byBoZWFyIHRoYXQgd2XigJlyZSBvbmUg b2YgdGhlIG1vcmUgZnJpZW5kbHkgZS1tYWlsIGFpcnBsYW5lIGxpc3RzIHlvdeKAmXZlIHNlZW4u ICBNb3N0DQpvZiB1cyBkb27igJl0IHRha2Ugb3Vyc2VsdmVzIHRvbyBzZXJpb3VzbHkgYW5kIHRo ZSBvbmVzIHdobyBnZXQgdGhlaXIgcGFudGllcyBpbiBhIGJ1bmNoIHdlIGp1c3QgdGVuZCB0byBp Z25vcmUgb3IgYmVyYXRlIG9mZmxpc3Qgd2hlcmUgdGhvc2Uga2luZHMgb2YNCnBpc3NpbmcgY29u dGVzdHMgYXJlIGJlc3QgaGVsZC4NCg0KVGhpcyByZWFsbHkgaXMgYSBnb29kIGdyb3VwIGFuZCB0 aGUgYWlycGxhbmUgaXMgaG9uZXN0LCBzaW1wbGUsIGFuZCB2ZXJ5IGVuam95YWJsZSB0byBmbHks IGVhc3kgdG8gbWFpbnRhaW4sIGFuZCB2ZXJ5IHJlYXNvbmFibGUgdG8gYnVpbGQgb3IgZXZlbiBw dXJjaGFzZQ0KYSBmbHlpbmcgb25lLg0KDQpCcm9kaGVhZCBpcyB1c3VhbGx5IGEgcmVhbGx5IGVu am95YWJsZSB0aW1lIGR1cmluZyB0aGUgUGlldGVucG9sIGZseS1pbiAgKGV4Y2VwdCBsYXN0IHll YXIgd2hlbiBpdCB3YXMgaW5jcmVkaWJseSBob3QgYnV0IHRoZW4gYWdhaW4gbW9zdCBvZiB0aGUg VVNBIHdhcyBob3QpDQphbmQgdGhlcmUgYXJlIGFsd2F5cyBxdWl0ZSBhIGZldyBQaWV0cyB0aGF0 IHNob3cgdXAuICAgVGhlcmUgYXJlIHNvbWUgdHJlYXN1cmVzIGluIHRoZSBoYW5nYXJzIGF0IEJy b2RoZWFkIHRvbyB3aXRoIGEgYnVuY2ggb2YgcmljaCBndXlzIGZyb20gQ2hpY2FnbyB3aG8NCmtl ZXAgKGFuZCBlbHNld2hlcmUpIHJlYWxseSBjb29sIGFudGlxdWVzIGFuZCBob21lYnVpbHRzIGZs eWluZy4gICBXZSBnb3QgdG8gc2VlIENoYWQgV2lsbGllIGZseSBoaXMgQmxlcmlvdCByZXBsaWNh IGEgZmV3IHRpbWVzIGxhc3QgQnJvZGhlYWQgYW5kIGJveSwgd2hhdA0KYSB0cmVhdCB0aGF0IGlz Lg0KDQpNeSBhZHZpY2UsIGluIGFkZGl0aW9uIHRvIEphY2vigJlzIGdvb2Qgd29yZHMsIHdvdWxk IGJlIHRvIGJyaW5nIGEgbGF3biBjaGFpciwgdGVudCwgYW5kIGVhciBwbHVncyBmb3IgYmV0dGVy IHNsZWVwaW5nIGlmIHlvdSBwbGFuIG9uIGNhbXBpbmcuDQoNClllYXJzIGFnbyB3aGVuIEkgY2Ft ZSB0byBCcm9kaGVhZCB0aGUgb2xkZXIgY3Jvd2Qgd2FzIGRvd25yaWdodCBzbm9vdHkgYW5kIHJ1 ZGUgdG8geW91bmdlciBuZXdjb21lcnMuICBJIHdhcyByZWFsbHkgcHV0IG9mZiBieSB0aGUgYXJy b2dhbmNlIG9mIHNvbWUNCm9mIHRoZSBidWlsZGVycyBhbmQgb3duZXJzIHdobyB5b3UgdGhvdWdo dCBqdXN0IHN0ZXBwZWQgb3V0IG9mIGEgbmljZSBMZWFyamV0IGJ1dCBpbiBmYWN0IGp1c3QgaGFk IHJlYWxseSByb3VnaCBsb29raW5nIFBpZXRuZXBvbHMuICBUaGFua2Z1bGx5IHRoaW5ncyBoYXZl DQpjaGFuZ2VkIGFuZCB0aGVyZSBhcmUgZm9sa3MgZnJvbSBhbGwgd2Fsa3Mgb2YgbGlmZSB0aGVy ZSBhbmQgYWxsIGFnZXMgbm93IHdoaWNoIGlzIHJlYWxseSByZWZyZXNoaW5nLg0KDQpNaWtlIEMN Ck9oaW8NCg0KDQo


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    Time: 11:54:09 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: newbie question
    From: "echobravo4" <eab4@comcast.net>
    Well, with the gas can reference, I'd say you are well on your way to "Speaking the language!" Like Jack said, a camera a notepad and a tape measure And stay out of Recine's way around the brats! :P -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395309#395309


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    Time: 12:03:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: newbie question
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Yes, welcome to the group, Ken. Brodhead is a unique experience, almost like a step back in time. It is very much more laid back than the typical aviation event (like airshows, or Oshkosh), and with a much higher boiled fish content (don't ask - you don't want to know). Come prepared for a thunderstorm - there seems to be one almost every year, but they usually happen in the middle of the night. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395310#395310


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    Time: 12:10:48 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: beware of this man.....
    The guy on the right..John Recine:) Actually John is a great guy---lots o f fun and he and his cousin brought some of John's daughter's gelato all the way to Brodhead last year to serve it up at the Textor's lunch. (which was a wonderful event all by itself) The character on the right is John Hofmann from WI who owns and flies a nic e green and white A-65 Piet and John makes some pretty cool airplane t-shirts and various noises due to bratwurst cons umption. (like we all do) Mike C.


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    Time: 12:12:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: newbie question
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Hi Ken, Welcome. I would be happy to give you a ride in a real Pietenpol (Model A) but you need to not be shy and get in line quick. Only other requirement is be under 180 lbs. So you have plenty of time to diet. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN PS. I always mentally add 10 lbs. to what the man "says", so be prepared. -----Original Message----- From: mercer.k <mercer.k@comcast.net> Sent: Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:44 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: newbie question Guys, I=99m not yet a Piet builder (a correctible character flaw)but as a S onex builder I keep an eye on several online forums looking for constructio nhints, ideas and general knowledge. I have to say that you guys and gals a rethe funniest, most constructive (pun intended), and congenial group I =99ve everrun across online, and very few days have gone by over the pas t couple of yearswhere I didn=99t learn something or get a laugh out of your posts, usually both. Finally, after years of reading about it, watching YouTubevideos and seeing photos all over the Web, I=99m coming to Brodhead. I=99d like tocome as more than just an observer, though, and was wondering if you all couldtell me if there=99s anything I can do to be more of a participa nt and supportthe fly-in. I'll bring a wagon if someone could provide a gas can and point me toward the nearest filling station Regards, Ken Mercer, San Rafael, CA (KDVO)


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    Time: 12:41:31 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: newbie question
    I had the same experience at my first Brodhead =93 I=99ve never seen so many 80+ year old men trailing oxygen bottles (I call them =9COxygenarians=9D), and when I told them I was building a Pietenpol they just turned and walked away. All except Bill Rewey, who was a real gem and spent quite a while talking with me, and giving good advice. Thankfully, by the time I finished mine and flew it there the atmosphere had changed completely and it=99s been a very friendly and fun place ever since. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:32 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newbie question Years ago when I came to Brodhead the older crowd was downright snooty and rude to younger newcomers. I was really put off by the arrogance of some of the builders and owners who you thought just stepped out of a nice Learjet but in fact just had really rough looking Pietnepols. Thankfully things have changed and there are folks from all walks of life there and all ages now which is really refreshing. Mike C Ohio ~=ED=B2=AC=DE=83g(=D3=8D=D3=87qzn


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    Time: 01:38:18 PM PST US
    From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: motivation
    No paro de reirme Mario Giacummo . -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- / ...- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - . 2013/2/28 Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> > OK, so here's a link to one (brief) video, and thanks to Michael > Perez for helping me get it onto YouTube. This is a high-speed pass in an > unmodified, A65-powered Air Camper. This is not a clipped wing airplane, > does not have the Riblett airfoil, no turbocharger or water injection, no > nitrous oxide boost. Nevertheless, the speed is impressive! Note that > just before the pull-up, there is clearly a transsonic shock wave visible > at the propeller hub and the airplane is completely blurred due to the very > high speed of close to 0.12 Mach. > > Here is a link for the high speed pass: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pdLsfko6Kg > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 05:52:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: powder coating is almost impossible to remove
    From: Joe Motis <joemotis@gmail.com>
    Mike, try using plain old paint stripper. The powder coat comes of in a big hurry. Joe Motis On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: > Guys=97just a quick note. I tried to repair a riding tractor part (crack ed > part) by TIG welding but after bead**** > > and sand blasting I couldn=92t touch the surfaces that needed to be clean ed > hardly at all to get the paint off to**** > > make a clean weld because the part was powder coated. **** > > ** ** > > Just passing along what I found. Hopefully none of our Piet parts > (painted with spray or powder coated) will ever**** > > fail or need to be repaired but that was my experience with my riding > mower. **** > > ** ** > > And truthfully after 15 years of flying my Piet there isn=92t one part th at > I wish I powder coated. I just did a very good job**** > > of bead blasting, priming, and then painting conventionally. I must > say the finish is pretty nice on those powder coated**** > > parts though but it just never appealed to me enough to do it. **** > > ** ** > > Mike C.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > >


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    Time: 05:58:32 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: newbie question
    From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
    Ken welcome to Heaven on Earth! Please plan to join us for our lunch, detail s to follow. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Feb 28, 2013, at 12:39 PM, mercer.k@comcast.net wrote: > Guys, > > > > I=99m not yet a Piet builder (a correctible character flaw) but as a Sonex builder I keep an eye on several online forums looking for constructi on hints, ideas and general knowledge. I have to say that you guys and gals a re the funniest, most constructive (pun intended), and congenial group I =99ve ever run across online, and very few days have gone by over the past c ouple of years where I didn=99t learn something or get a laugh out of y our posts, usually both. > > > > Finally, after years of reading about it, watching YouTube videos and seei ng photos all over the Web, I=99m coming to Brodhead. I=99d like to come as more than just an observer, though, and was wondering if you all could tell me if there=99s anything I can do to be more of a particip ant and support the fly-in. I'll bring a wagon if someone could provide a ga s can and point me toward the nearest filling station > > > > Regards, > > > > Ken Mercer, San Rafael, CA (KDVO) > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 08:04:24 PM PST US
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: newbie question
    Hey, watch it, Gary! You sure don't want the Sonex people upset! Ray Krause Sonex (Waiex), N51YX FLYING NICELY, building Sky Scout. Sent from my iPad On Feb 28, 2013, at 11:18 AM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > Ken, > > You are absolutely invited to the West Coast Pietenpol Gathering on June 1 at Frazier Lake (near Gilroy). Also, if you are interested in seeing a Piet enpol under construction, Jim Boyer is just up the highway from you in Santa Rosa. > > FYI....Abandoned Sonex projects are strewn across the U.S. as builders dis cover the joy of Pietenpoling.... > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:53:12 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: newbie question > > > Ken; > > You know that you're much closer to "Brodhead West" than you are to the ot her one, right? The West Coast Piet group has a fly-in early in June, so ma ybe somebody (Gary Boothe?) will chime in with details on the event. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronic -Matt Dralle,======== === > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >




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