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1. 04:22 AM - How I decided to build a Pietenpol (giacummo)
2. 04:22 AM - How I decided to build a Pietenpol (giacummo)
3. 04:31 AM - Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol (Jack Phillips)
4. 04:49 AM - Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: Offset and Trim (Michael Perez)
6. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: pics of powder coating (shad bell)
7. 07:16 AM - Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol (Ken Bickers)
8. 07:32 AM - Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol (Michael Perez)
9. 07:35 AM - engine offset (Douwe Blumberg)
10. 07:57 AM - Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol (giacummo)
11. 08:17 AM - re re re powder coating (Michael Weston)
12. 08:24 AM - Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol (John Fay)
13. 08:26 AM - Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol (gboothe5@comcast.net)
14. 08:26 AM - Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol (Jim Boyer)
15. 09:54 AM - Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol (Jack)
16. 10:04 AM - Corvair flywheel/ring gear (shad bell)
17. 10:37 AM - motivation (Oscar Zuniga)
18. 10:42 AM - newbie question (mercer.k@comcast.net)
19. 10:46 AM - motivation (Oscar Zuniga)
20. 10:55 AM - Re: newbie question (taildrags)
21. 10:56 AM - Re: newbie question (Jack Phillips)
22. 11:06 AM - Re: motivation (Jim Boyer)
23. 11:13 AM - Re: newbie question (Jim Boyer)
24. 11:17 AM - a view from the cockpit (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
25. 11:21 AM - Re: newbie question (Jim Boyer)
26. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: newbie question (gboothe5@comcast.net)
27. 11:33 AM - Re: newbie question (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
28. 11:54 AM - Re: newbie question (echobravo4)
29. 12:03 PM - Re: newbie question (Bill Church)
30. 12:10 PM - beware of this man..... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
31. 12:12 PM - Re: newbie question (helspersew@aol.com)
32. 12:41 PM - Re: newbie question (Jack Phillips)
33. 01:38 PM - Re: motivation (Mario Giacummo)
34. 05:52 PM - Re: powder coating is almost impossible to remove (Joe Motis)
35. 05:58 PM - Re: newbie question (Jack)
36. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: newbie question (Ray Krause)
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Subject: | How I decided to build a Pietenpol |
I am going to follow Ken Bickers suggestion (thanks for your words, either Rick
Schreiber), I am going to tell you how I decided to build an airplane, specificaly
a Piet.
Once upon a time ;o))))) I could not resist.
I always like planes, I born and grow near the international airport of Montevideo,
and in this airport was the unique air force base too. Every day I saw the
Lockheed T-33 and F-80 (the only reaction fighters we had in this time.. now
we only have half a dozen Cessnas A-37) fly over my head. they like me. My father
was a navy officer, and teach me how to make model airplanes (contradiction,
we do not have aircraft carriers) , I build four or five, the last one a
Fleet Canuck. I was 11, it was a relatively big model, all of balsa sticks, very
thin stick... it was a hard work, a very hard work, and I thought.. "it should
be easier make a really one than this model..." anyway I forgot evrything
for years. In the 80's Popular Mechanics publish an article about the Woodhooper
and I bought the plans, but for a, b and c I never start with it.
Three or four years ago, I went to fly with a frind who bought a Driftler and after
that and all the internet put in our fingers i decide to build an airplane...
but wich one. The first time I saw a Piet (years before the Driftler trip)
it like me very much two things, the high wing over the fusselage that clear
you the view of the land over you fly, and the option to carry a passanger; but
it was a little big and complicated to build in this moment.. I kept looking
for others models more easy to build, and I found the Skypup.. excelent option
for me, little engine, just styro and wood... an incredible two axis controls
flying machine. I read a lot about it, an the more I read the more it convinces
me to build it, BUT!!! the engine in fron of your nose do not convinced me...
the front of the airplane is really horrible... I was thinking in modify
somthing, like build it as a pusher... but, no, keep it as it is. And in this
things I was when an other friend told me:
- Mario, I want to fly but not alone, with you..
-> You, fly?.. now?...you never like airplanes, what happend with you?
- I want to see the country from aboove
-> !?!!??!?
A strange story, somethinf like "The bucket list"... anyway, he told me to find
an airplane and buy one, but under XX dolars, but here there are nothing in the
market, in a moment there was a trike that we could buy, but it flew quick.
Other option was buy something in Argentina or Brasil and bring it here, but
taxes where too high.. so he proposed me forget the Skypup and build a biplace
one, and the Piet come back and here I am.
There are others biplaces with high wing, but they are designed with lots of parts
of aluminium 6061 that do not exsist here, or with composites parts.. any
material different from wood it would cost me too much and it would be difficult
to obtain here in aeronautical standards.
Other thing that I kept in mind before begin the project was to find somebody that
can help me in the project, and the only one I trust to do this job was my
father, he like the idea, he have all the day to work in it, he is a very detailed
worker, so we started and here we are
I do not remember how I came to this forum... but the first with I had cyberpersonal
contact was Jack Textor, who send me a CD with lots of photos and pdf articles
about the piet, after him Oscar Zuiga send me a set of plans and a Mike
Cuy DVD of the Piet, and now all of you who in a way or another help me to keep
it marching on.
May be some day i can go to brodhaed, but without the Piet... or.. whil I be able
to cross the Andes with a Piet? ;o)
Let's work, best regards.
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395260#395260
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Subject: | How I decided to build a Pietenpol |
I am going to follow Ken Bickers suggestion (thanks for your words, either Rick
Schreiber), I am going to tell you how I decided to build an airplane, specificaly
a Piet.
Once upon a time ;o))))) I could not resist.
I always like planes, I born and grow near the international airport of Montevideo,
and in this airport was the unique air force base too. Every day I saw the
Lockheed T-33 and F-80 (the only reaction fighters we had in this time.. now
we only have half a dozen Cessnas A-37) fly over my head. they like me. My father
was a navy officer, and teach me how to make model airplanes (contradiction,
we do not have aircraft carriers) , I build four or five, the last one a
Fleet Canuck. I was 11, it was a relatively big model, all of balsa sticks, very
thin stick... it was a hard work, a very hard work, and I thought.. "it should
be easier make a really one than this model..." anyway I forgot evrything
for years. In the 80's Popular Mechanics publish an article about the Woodhooper
and I bought the plans, but for a, b and c I never start with it.
Three or four years ago, I went to fly with a frind who bought a Driftler and after
that and all the internet put in our fingers i decide to build an airplane...
but wich one. The first time I saw a Piet (years before the Driftler trip)
it like me very much two things, the high wing over the fusselage that clear
you the view of the land over you fly, and the option to carry a passanger; but
it was a little big and complicated to build in this moment.. I kept looking
for others models more easy to build, and I found the Skypup.. excelent option
for me, little engine, just styro and wood... an incredible two axis controls
flying machine. I read a lot about it, an the more I read the more it convinces
me to build it, BUT!!! the engine in fron of your nose do not convinced me...
the front of the airplane is really horrible... I was thinking in modify
somthing, like build it as a pusher... but, no, keep it as it is. And in this
things I was when an other friend told me:
- Mario, I want to fly but not alone, with you..
-> You, fly?.. now?...you never like airplanes, what happend with you?
- I want to see the country from aboove
-> !?!!??!?
A strange story, somethinf like "The bucket list"... anyway, he told me to find
an airplane and buy one, but under XX dolars, but here there are nothing in the
market, in a moment there was a trike that we could buy, but it flew quick.
Other option was buy something in Argentina or Brasil and bring it here, but
taxes where too high.. so he proposed me forget the Skypup and build a biplace
one, and the Piet come back and here I am.
There are others biplaces with high wing, but they are designed with lots of parts
of aluminium 6061 that do not exsist here, or with composites parts.. any
material different from wood it would cost me too much and it would be difficult
to obtain here in aeronautical standards.
Other thing that I kept in mind before begin the project was to find somebody that
can help me in the project, and the only one I trust to do this job was my
father, he like the idea, he have all the day to work in it, he is a very detailed
worker, so we started and here we are
I do not remember how I came to this forum... but the first with I had cyberpersonal
contact was Jack Textor, who send me a CD with lots of photos and pdf articles
about the piet, after him Oscar Zuiga send me a set of plans and a Mike
Cuy DVD of the Piet, and now all of you who in a way or another help me to keep
it marching on.
May be some day i can go to brodhaed, but without the Piet... or.. whil I be able
to cross the Andes with a Piet? ;o)
Let's work, best regards.
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395261#395261
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Subject: | How I decided to build a Pietenpol |
Great Story, Mario! Good luck with your project.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How I decided to build a Pietenpol
I am going to follow Ken Bickers suggestion (thanks for your words, either
Rick Schreiber), I am going to tell you how I decided to build an airplane,
specificaly a Piet.
Once upon a time ;o))))) I could not resist.
I always like planes, I born and grow near the international airport of
Montevideo, and in this airport was the unique air force base too. Every day
I saw the Lockheed T-33 and F-80 (the only reaction fighters we had in this
time.. now we only have half a dozen Cessnas A-37) fly over my head. they
like me. My father was a navy officer, and teach me how to make model
airplanes (contradiction, we do not have aircraft carriers) , I build four
or five, the last one a Fleet Canuck. I was 11, it was a relatively big
model, all of balsa sticks, very thin stick... it was a hard work, a very
hard work, and I thought.. "it should be easier make a really one than this
model..." anyway I forgot evrything for years. In the 80's Popular
Mechanics publish an article about the Woodhooper and I bought the plans,
but for a, b and c I never start with it.
Three or four years ago, I went to fly with a frind who bought a Driftler
and after that and all the internet put in our fingers i decide to build an
airplane... but wich one. The first time I saw a Piet (years before the
Driftler trip) it like me very much two things, the high wing over the
fusselage that clear you the view of the land over you fly, and the option
to carry a passanger; but it was a little big and complicated to build in
this moment.. I kept looking for others models more easy to build, and I
found the Skypup.. excelent option for me, little engine, just styro and
wood... an incredible two axis controls flying machine. I read a lot about
it, an the more I read the more it convinces me to build it, BUT!!! the
engine in fron of your nose do not convinced me... the front of the airplane
is really horrible... I was thinking in modify somthing, like build it as a
pusher... but, no, keep it as it is. And in this things I was when an other
friend told me:
- Mario, I want to fly but not alone, with you..
-> You, fly?.. now?...you never like airplanes, what happend with you?
- I want to see the country from aboove
-> !?!!??!?
A strange story, somethinf like "The bucket list"... anyway, he told me to
find an airplane and buy one, but under XX dolars, but here there are
nothing in the market, in a moment there was a trike that we could buy, but
it flew quick. Other option was buy something in Argentina or Brasil and
bring it here, but taxes where too high.. so he proposed me forget the
Skypup and build a biplace one, and the Piet come back and here I am.
There are others biplaces with high wing, but they are designed with lots of
parts of aluminium 6061 that do not exsist here, or with composites parts..
any material different from wood it would cost me too much and it would be
difficult to obtain here in aeronautical standards.
Other thing that I kept in mind before begin the project was to find
somebody that can help me in the project, and the only one I trust to do
this job was my father, he like the idea, he have all the day to work in it,
he is a very detailed worker, so we started and here we are
I do not remember how I came to this forum... but the first with I had
cyberpersonal contact was Jack Textor, who send me a CD with lots of photos
and pdf articles about the piet, after him Oscar Zuiga send me a set of
plans and a Mike Cuy DVD of the Piet, and now all of you who in a way or
another help me to keep it marching on.
May be some day i can go to brodhaed, but without the Piet... or.. whil I be
able to cross the Andes with a Piet? ;o)
Let's work, best regards.
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395260#395260
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Subject: | Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol |
Very inspiring story Mario. Really puts a new perspective on the added diff
iculties of building a Piet down there. I think (myself included) we misund
erstood your meaning of the word "hard" in your previous posts. Now we know
. Keep after it amigo.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Subject: | Re: Offset and Trim |
I was thinking along the same line as you Oscar, so when I made my engine m
ount, I added more right and down thrust built into it. As test flights pro
gress, I will add washers to the engine mount and/or a trim tab on the rudd
er.- I do remember talking about this subject before, just was not sure w
ho was involved and where it ended up. Thanks for your input.
Curious, do you know how much you offset your engine mount?
FYI for those interested in mounting a trim tab, the Tony B. books have som
e good gouge on installing one...
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: pics of powder coating |
Dan, I believe it is a Nissan fly wheel, but I will have to check.- We or
igionally ran the tarus fly wheel, but in my oppinion it will more than lik
ely crack eventually.- We replaced ours around the 150 hr mark when I fou
nd 3 out of 4 webs cracked, one completley across the web.- ours is the s
olid flywheel now.- I did have to fabricate a spacer and have the hub tur
ned down about 1/8 inch on the crank side to seat properly- (Black Hub wi
th puck, old style Wynne hub).- I will check to be sure on the model of t
he flywheel.
-
Shad
--- On Thu, 2/28/13, dwilson <marwilson@charter.net> wrote:
From: dwilson <marwilson@charter.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: pics of powder coating
I have the Ford Taurus flywheel with the open webs.- I was just curious i
f anyone knew the model and year of the "other" flywheel.-
Dan
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Subject: | Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol |
Mario, thanks for sharing your story. My hat is off to you. I cannot
imagine dealing with as many challenges as you have in bringing your
dream to life. You and your father have done a great job on your
project. Keep at it. Cheers, Ken
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:49 AM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> Very inspiring story Mario. Really puts a new perspective on the added
> difficulties of building a Piet down there. I think (myself included) we
> misunderstood your meaning of the word "hard" in your previous posts. Now we
> know. Keep after it amigo.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
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Subject: | Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol |
Good stuff Mario!- When you are flying your plane, it will all be worth t
he trials you had gone through.- Steady as she goes...you'll get there.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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In response to Mike P's question re engine offset.
I forgot to mention, that I did offset the engine the same amount as Oscar,
and combined with the fin offset, she requires no rudder correction at
cruise. I think the best advice is to make your best guess on what you've
heard, but make it quasi adjustable and dial it in later. Following the
proven experience of actual flying airplanes, you'll be pretty darn close
from the git-go.
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol |
Thank you, but.. you should have yours, don't you?...
regards
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Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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Subject: | re re re powder coating |
hello, I'm new, so behave. I only use duracote firearms paint instead of powder
coating. it's a two part epoxy finish that is REALLY tough. no priming, no baking,easy
and not thick like powder coating so cracks are easy to spot. just
google lauer custom weaponry. regards. mike w
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Subject: | Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol |
Thanks, Mario for your story. One of the things I enjoy on this
forum, as a lurker who rarely posts, is not only the answers to
technical questions and problems, but the stories like yours, and the
accounts of flying experiences like Oscar so often posts. These are
very worthwhile--motivational and entertaining. And it is great when
we all get to know you better and understand your situation.
John Fay
in Peoria
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Subject: | Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol |
Great story, Mario! I'm glad you are able to work with your dad. Keep the p
ictures coming....
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:22:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How I decided to build a Pietenpol
I am going to follow Ken Bickers suggestion (thanks for your words, either
Rick Schreiber), I am going to tell you how I decided to build an airplane,
specificaly a Piet.
Once upon a time ;o))))) I could not resist.
I always like planes, I born and grow near the international airport of Mon
tevideo, and in this airport was the unique air force base too. Every day I
saw the Lockheed T-33 and F-80 (the only reaction fighters we had in this
time.. now we only have half a dozen Cessnas A-37) fly over my head. they l
ike me. My father was a navy officer, and teach me how to make model airpla
nes (contradiction, we do not have aircraft carriers) , I build four or fiv
e, the last one a Fleet Canuck. I was 11, it was a relatively big model, al
l of balsa sticks, very thin stick... it was a hard work, a very hard work,
and I thought.. "it should be easier make a really one than this model..."
anyway I forgot evrything for years. In the 80's Popular Mechanics publish
an article about the Woodhooper and I bought the plans, but for a, b and c
I never start with it.
Three or four years ago, I went to fly with a frind who bought a Driftler a
nd after that and all the internet put in our fingers i decide to build an
airplane... but wich one. The first time I saw a Piet (years before the Dri
ftler trip) it like me very much two things, the high wing over the fussela
ge that clear you the view of the land over you fly, and the option to carr
y a passanger; but it was a little big and complicated to build in this mom
ent.. I kept looking for others models more easy to build, and I found the
Skypup.. excelent option for me, little engine, just styro and wood... an i
ncredible two axis controls flying machine. I read a lot about it, an the m
ore I read the more it convinces me to build it, BUT!!! the engine in fron
of your nose do not convinced me... the front of the airplane is really hor
rible... I was thinking in modify somthing, like build it as a pusher... bu
t, no, keep it as it is. And in this things I was when an other friend told
me:
- Mario, I want to fly but not alone, with you..
-> You, fly?.. now?...you never like airplanes, what happend with you?
- I want to see the country from aboove
-> !?!!??!?
A strange story, somethinf like "The bucket list"... anyway, he told me to
find an airplane and buy one, but under XX dolars, but here there are nothi
ng in the market, in a moment there was a trike that we could buy, but it f
lew quick. Other option was buy something in Argentina or Brasil and bring
it here, but taxes where too high.. so he proposed me forget the Skypup and
build a biplace one, and the Piet come back and here I am.
There are others biplaces with high wing, but they are designed with lots o
f parts of aluminium 6061 that do not exsist here, or with composites parts
.. any material different from wood it would cost me too much and it would
be difficult to obtain here in aeronautical standards.
Other thing that I kept in mind before begin the project was to find somebo
dy that can help me in the project, and the only one I trust to do this job
was my father, he like the idea, he have all the day to work in it, he is
a very detailed worker, so we started and here we are
I do not remember how I came to this forum... but the first with I had cybe
rpersonal contact was Jack Textor, who send me a CD with lots of photos and
pdf articles about the piet, after him Oscar Zu=C3=83=C2=B1iga send me a s
et of plans and a Mike Cuy DVD of the Piet, and now all of you who in a way
or another help me to keep it marching on.
May be some day i can go to brodhaed, but without the Piet... or.. whil I b
e able to cross the Andes with a Piet? ;o)
Let's work, best regards.
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395261#395261
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Subject: | Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol |
Great story of how you got to buillding a Piet Mario. Keep it up and you will be
done; I have been on mine almost 11 years and now it is covered and ready for
first engine start.
cheers,
Jim B.
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Subject: | Re: How I decided to build a Pietenpol |
Mario, great story and progress, I've enjoyed our friendship!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:21 AM, "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am going to follow Ken Bickers suggestion (thanks for your words, either Rick
Schreiber), I am going to tell you how I decided to build an airplane, specificaly
a Piet.
>
> Once upon a time ;o))))) I could not resist.
> I always like planes, I born and grow near the international airport of Montevideo,
and in this airport was the unique air force base too. Every day I saw
the Lockheed T-33 and F-80 (the only reaction fighters we had in this time.. now
we only have half a dozen Cessnas A-37) fly over my head. they like me. My
father was a navy officer, and teach me how to make model airplanes (contradiction,
we do not have aircraft carriers) , I build four or five, the last one
a Fleet Canuck. I was 11, it was a relatively big model, all of balsa sticks,
very thin stick... it was a hard work, a very hard work, and I thought.. "it should
be easier make a really one than this model..." anyway I forgot evrything
for years. In the 80's Popular Mechanics publish an article about the Woodhooper
and I bought the plans, but for a, b and c I never start with it.
>
> Three or four years ago, I went to fly with a frind who bought a Driftler and
after that and all the internet put in our fingers i decide to build an airplane...
but wich one. The first time I saw a Piet (years before the Driftler trip)
it like me very much two things, the high wing over the fusselage that clear
you the view of the land over you fly, and the option to carry a passanger;
but it was a little big and complicated to build in this moment.. I kept looking
for others models more easy to build, and I found the Skypup.. excelent option
for me, little engine, just styro and wood... an incredible two axis controls
flying machine. I read a lot about it, an the more I read the more it convinces
me to build it, BUT!!! the engine in fron of your nose do not convinced
me... the front of the airplane is really horrible... I was thinking in modify
somthing, like build it as a pusher... but, no, keep it as it is. And in this
things I was when an other friend told me:
> - Mario, I want to fly but not alone, with you..
> -> You, fly?.. now?...you never like airplanes, what happend with you?
> - I want to see the country from aboove
> -> !?!!??!?
> A strange story, somethinf like "The bucket list"... anyway, he told me to find
an airplane and buy one, but under XX dolars, but here there are nothing in
the market, in a moment there was a trike that we could buy, but it flew quick.
Other option was buy something in Argentina or Brasil and bring it here, but
taxes where too high.. so he proposed me forget the Skypup and build a biplace
one, and the Piet come back and here I am.
>
> There are others biplaces with high wing, but they are designed with lots of
parts of aluminium 6061 that do not exsist here, or with composites parts.. any
material different from wood it would cost me too much and it would be difficult
to obtain here in aeronautical standards.
>
> Other thing that I kept in mind before begin the project was to find somebody
that can help me in the project, and the only one I trust to do this job was
my father, he like the idea, he have all the day to work in it, he is a very detailed
worker, so we started and here we are
>
> I do not remember how I came to this forum... but the first with I had cyberpersonal
contact was Jack Textor, who send me a CD with lots of photos and pdf
articles about the piet, after him Oscar Zuiga send me a set of plans and a Mike
Cuy DVD of the Piet, and now all of you who in a way or another help me to
keep it marching on.
>
> May be some day i can go to brodhaed, but without the Piet... or.. whil I be
able to cross the Andes with a Piet? ;o)
>
> Let's work, best regards.
>
> --------
> Mario Giacummo
> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395260#395260
>
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Subject: | Corvair flywheel/ring gear |
According to the logbook entry I made it is a Nissan Sentra flywheel.- it
is not webbed, it is a solid flywheel.
-
Shad
--- On Thu, 2/28/13, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: pics of powder coating
Dan, I believe it is a Nissan fly wheel, but I will have to check.- We or
igionally ran the tarus fly wheel, but in my oppinion it will more than lik
ely crack eventually.- We replaced ours around the 150 hr mark when I fou
nd 3 out of 4 webs cracked, one completley across the web.- ours is the s
olid flywheel now.- I did have to fabricate a spacer and have the hub tur
ned down about 1/8 inch on the crank side to seat properly- (Black Hub wi
th puck, old style Wynne hub).- I will check to be sure on the model of t
he flywheel.
-
Shad
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From: dwilson <marwilson@charter.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: pics of powder coating
I have the Ford Taurus flywheel with the open webs.- I was just curious i
f anyone knew the model and year of the "other" flywheel.-
Dan
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OK=2C so here's a link to one (brief) video=2C and thanks to Michael Perez
for helping me get it onto YouTube. This is a high-speed pass in an unmodi
fied=2C A65-powered Air Camper. This is not a clipped wing airplane=2C doe
s not have the Riblett airfoil=2C no turbocharger or water injection=2C no
nitrous oxide boost. Nevertheless=2C the speed is impressive! Note that j
ust before the pull-up=2C there is clearly a transsonic shock wave visible
at the propeller hub and the airplane is completely blurred due to the very
high speed of close to 0.12 Mach.
Here is a link for the high speed pass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p
dLsfko6Kg
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Guys,
I=99m not yet a Piet builder (a correctible character flaw) but as a
Sonex builder I keep an eye on several online forums looking for constructi
on hints, ideas and general knowledge. I have to say that you guys and gals
are the funniest, most constructive (pun intended), and congenial group I
=99ve ever run across online, and very few days have gone by over the
past couple of years where I didn=99t learn something or get a laugh
out of your posts, usually both.
Finally, after years of reading about it, watching YouTube videos and seein
g photos all over the Web, I=99m coming to Brodhead. I=99d like
to come as more than just an observer, though, and was wondering if you al
l could tell me if there=99s anything I can do to be more of a partic
ipant and support the fly-in. I'll bring a wagon if someone could provide a
gas can and point me toward the nearest filling station
Regards,
Ken Mercer, San Rafael, CA (KDVO)
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Here is another video clip=2C one that I hope will be both entertaining and
educational. The moral of this story is=2C never attempt to impress a cro
wd of onlookers. I thought I would wow them all by touching down in perfec
t form right where they were all sitting=2C but... well=2C you'll need to w
atch the video (and hear the snide remarks) to see the result. Yes=2C I'm
the hapless aviator at the controls and Scout is teaching me a lesson. Aga
in=2C thanks to Michael for uploading the file.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK1orR_nzqw
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: newbie question |
Ken;
You know that you're much closer to "Brodhead West" than you are to the other one,
right? The West Coast Piet group has a fly-in early in June, so maybe somebody
(Gary Boothe?) will chime in with details on the event.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Great, Ken! Come on to Brodhead. Bring a 2x4 in case Axel Ezra Purtee
requires the use of it.
Seriously, bring a camera and a notepad, and an appetite. Nothing else is
required (except maybe some cash for T-shirts, and to pay for some of the
meals). If you have wheels, you'll not be short of friends.
Plan on joining the BPA and you'll get a nametag so we'll know who you are.
After a weekend at Brodhead you'll be ready to start building a proper
airplane made of Nature's Composite material.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: newbie question
Guys,
I'm not yet a Piet builder (a correctible character flaw) but as a Sonex
builder I keep an eye on several online forums looking for construction
hints, ideas and general knowledge. I have to say that you guys and gals are
the funniest, most constructive (pun intended), and congenial group I've
ever run across online, and very few days have gone by over the past couple
of years where I didn't learn something or get a laugh out of your posts,
usually both.
Finally, after years of reading about it, watching YouTube videos and seeing
photos all over the Web, I'm coming to Brodhead. I'd like to come as more
than just an observer, though, and was wondering if you all could tell me if
there's anything I can do to be more of a participant and support the
fly-in. I'll bring a wagon if someone could provide a gas can and point me
toward the nearest filling station.
Regards,
Ken Mercer, San Rafael, CA (KDVO)
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Hi Oscar,
The speed was impressive; must be my eyes though as I thought the whole pla
ne was blurry. Love the paint job Corky used on it.
Cheers,
Jim B.
OK, so here's a link to one (brief) video, and thanks to Michael Perez for
helping me get it onto YouTube.=C2- This is a high-speed pass in an unmod
ified, A65-powered Air Camper.=C2- This is not a clipped wing airplane, d
oes not have the Riblett airfoil, no turbocharger or water injection, no ni
trous oxide boost.=C2-=C2-Nevertheless, the speed is impressive!=C2-
Note that just before the pull-up, there is clearly a transsonic shock wave
visible at the propeller hub and the airplane is completely blurred due to
the very high speed of=C2-close to=C2-0.12 Mach.
=C2-
Here is a link for the high speed pass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p
dLsfko6Kg
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Subject: | Re: newbie question |
Hi Ken,
Actually we have a West Coast Piet flyin the first weekend of June at the F
razier Lake airport about 8 miles North of Hollister.
Contact Mike Groah, Tulare as he is the official organizer/notice poster; a
nd Charlie Miller, Morgan Hill is the official host at his hanger at Frazie
r Lake.
If you want to see a Piet just covered but not primed or painted yet; I am
just North of you in Santa Rosa. I will be working on=C2- my Piet this Fr
iday at home. Give me a call at 707-571-8001 or cell 707-953-7837 after 5PM
today.
Cheers,
Jim
Finally, after years of reading about it, watching YouTube videos and seein
g photos all over the Web, I=99m coming to Brodhead. I=99d like
to come as more than just an observer, though, and was wondering if you al
l could tell me if there=99s anything I can do to be more of a partic
ipant and support the fly-in. I'll bring a wagon if someone could provide a
gas can and point me toward the nearest filling station
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Subject: | a view from the cockpit |
Here's video I took while strafing a harvested field south of Cleveland a
while back and then some views from
about 400 feet and 70 mph. The wind noise in the mic is annoying as heck
so I prefer to turn the sound almost
down but thank God I didn't put music to this as so many people love to do
with airplane videos. To me if I'm watching
an airplane video I don't want to hear Danger Zone or Ice Ice Baby....I'd r
ather hear the airplane engine.
Mike C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_GZLHNUWO8
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Subject: | Re: newbie question |
Hi Ken,
Actually we have a West Coast Piet flyin the first weekend of June at the F
razier Lake airport about 8 miles North of Hollister.
Contact Mike Groah, Tulare as he is the official organizer/notice poster; a
nd Charlie Miller, Morgan Hill is the official host at his hanger at Frazie
r Lake.
If you want to see a Piet just covered but not primed or painted yet; I am
just North of you in Santa Rosa. I will be working on=C2- my Piet this Fr
iday at home. Give me a call at 707-571-8001 or cell 707-953-7837 after 5PM
today.
Cheers,
Jim
=C2-
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Subject: | Re: newbie question |
Ken,
You are absolutely invited to the West Coast Pietenpol Gathering on June 1 at Frazier
Lake (near Gilroy). Also, if you are interested in seeing a Pietenpol under
construction, Jim Boyer is just up the highway from you in Santa Rosa.
FYI....Abandoned Sonex projects are strewn across the U.S. as builders discover
the joy of Pietenpoling....
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:53:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: newbie question
Ken;
You know that you're much closer to "Brodhead West" than you are to the other one,
right? The West Coast Piet group has a fly-in early in June, so maybe somebody
(Gary Boothe?) will chime in with details on the event.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: newbie question |
Well, with the gas can reference, I'd say you are well on your way to
"Speaking the language!"
Like Jack said, a camera a notepad and a tape measure
And stay out of Recine's way around the brats! :P
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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Subject: | Re: newbie question |
Yes, welcome to the group, Ken.
Brodhead is a unique experience, almost like a step back in time. It is very much
more laid back than the typical aviation event (like airshows, or Oshkosh),
and with a much higher boiled fish content (don't ask - you don't want to know).
Come prepared for a thunderstorm - there seems to be one almost every year,
but they usually happen in the middle of the night.
Bill C.
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Subject: | beware of this man..... |
The guy on the right..John Recine:) Actually John is a great guy---lots o
f fun and he and his cousin
brought some of John's daughter's gelato all the way to Brodhead last year
to serve it up at the Textor's lunch. (which
was a wonderful event all by itself)
The character on the right is John Hofmann from WI who owns and flies a nic
e green and white A-65 Piet and John makes
some pretty cool airplane t-shirts and various noises due to bratwurst cons
umption. (like we all do)
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: newbie question |
Hi Ken,
Welcome. I would be happy to give you a ride in a real Pietenpol (Model A)
but you need to not be shy and get in line quick. Only other requirement is
be under 180 lbs. So you have plenty of time to diet.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
PS. I always mentally add 10 lbs. to what the man "says", so be prepared.
-----Original Message-----
From: mercer.k <mercer.k@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:44 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: newbie question
Guys,
I=99m not yet a Piet builder (a correctible character flaw)but as a S
onex builder I keep an eye on several online forums looking for constructio
nhints, ideas and general knowledge. I have to say that you guys and gals a
rethe funniest, most constructive (pun intended), and congenial group I
=99ve everrun across online, and very few days have gone by over the pas
t couple of yearswhere I didn=99t learn something or get a laugh out
of your posts, usually both.
Finally, after years of reading about it, watching YouTubevideos and seeing
photos all over the Web, I=99m coming to Brodhead. I=99d like
tocome as more than just an observer, though, and was wondering if you all
couldtell me if there=99s anything I can do to be more of a participa
nt and supportthe fly-in. I'll bring a wagon if someone could provide a gas
can and point me toward the nearest filling station
Regards,
Ken Mercer, San Rafael, CA (KDVO)
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I had the same experience at my first Brodhead =93 I=99ve
never seen so many 80+ year old men trailing oxygen bottles (I call them
=9COxygenarians=9D), and when I told them I was building a
Pietenpol they just turned and walked away. All except Bill Rewey, who
was a real gem and spent quite a while talking with me, and giving good
advice. Thankfully, by the time I finished mine and flew it there the
atmosphere had changed completely and it=99s been a very friendly
and fun place ever since.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newbie question
Years ago when I came to Brodhead the older crowd was downright snooty
and rude to younger newcomers. I was really put off by the arrogance of
some
of the builders and owners who you thought just stepped out of a nice
Learjet but in fact just had really rough looking Pietnepols.
Thankfully things have
changed and there are folks from all walks of life there and all ages
now which is really refreshing.
Mike C
Ohio
~=ED=B2=AC=DE=83g(=D3=8D=D3=87qzn
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No paro de reirme
Mario Giacummo
. -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- /
...- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - .
2013/2/28 Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> OK, so here's a link to one (brief) video, and thanks to Michael
> Perez for helping me get it onto YouTube. This is a high-speed pass in an
> unmodified, A65-powered Air Camper. This is not a clipped wing airplane,
> does not have the Riblett airfoil, no turbocharger or water injection, no
> nitrous oxide boost. Nevertheless, the speed is impressive! Note that
> just before the pull-up, there is clearly a transsonic shock wave visible
> at the propeller hub and the airplane is completely blurred due to the very
> high speed of close to 0.12 Mach.
>
> Here is a link for the high speed pass:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pdLsfko6Kg
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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Subject: | Re: powder coating is almost impossible to remove |
Mike, try using plain old paint stripper. The powder coat comes of in a big
hurry.
Joe Motis
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Guys=97just a quick note. I tried to repair a riding tractor part (crack
ed
> part) by TIG welding but after bead****
>
> and sand blasting I couldn=92t touch the surfaces that needed to be clean
ed
> hardly at all to get the paint off to****
>
> make a clean weld because the part was powder coated. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Just passing along what I found. Hopefully none of our Piet parts
> (painted with spray or powder coated) will ever****
>
> fail or need to be repaired but that was my experience with my riding
> mower. ****
>
> ** **
>
> And truthfully after 15 years of flying my Piet there isn=92t one part th
at
> I wish I powder coated. I just did a very good job****
>
> of bead blasting, priming, and then painting conventionally. I must
> say the finish is pretty nice on those powder coated****
>
> parts though but it just never appealed to me enough to do it. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Mike C.****
>
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Subject: | Re: newbie question |
Ken welcome to Heaven on Earth! Please plan to join us for our lunch, detail
s to follow.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Feb 28, 2013, at 12:39 PM, mercer.k@comcast.net wrote:
> Guys,
>
>
>
> I=99m not yet a Piet builder (a correctible character flaw) but as a
Sonex builder I keep an eye on several online forums looking for constructi
on hints, ideas and general knowledge. I have to say that you guys and gals a
re the funniest, most constructive (pun intended), and congenial group I
=99ve ever run across online, and very few days have gone by over the past c
ouple of years where I didn=99t learn something or get a laugh out of y
our posts, usually both.
>
>
>
> Finally, after years of reading about it, watching YouTube videos and seei
ng photos all over the Web, I=99m coming to Brodhead. I=99d like
to come as more than just an observer, though, and was wondering if you all
could tell me if there=99s anything I can do to be more of a particip
ant and support the fly-in. I'll bring a wagon if someone could provide a ga
s can and point me toward the nearest filling station
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Ken Mercer, San Rafael, CA (KDVO)
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Subject: | Re: newbie question |
Hey, watch it, Gary! You sure don't want the Sonex people upset!
Ray Krause
Sonex (Waiex), N51YX FLYING NICELY, building Sky Scout.
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 28, 2013, at 11:18 AM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote:
> Ken,
>
> You are absolutely invited to the West Coast Pietenpol Gathering on June 1
at Frazier Lake (near Gilroy). Also, if you are interested in seeing a Piet
enpol under construction, Jim Boyer is just up the highway from you in Santa
Rosa.
>
> FYI....Abandoned Sonex projects are strewn across the U.S. as builders dis
cover the joy of Pietenpoling....
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:53:12 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: newbie question
>
>
> Ken;
>
> You know that you're much closer to "Brodhead West" than you are to the ot
her one, right? The West Coast Piet group has a fly-in early in June, so ma
ybe somebody (Gary Boothe?) will chime in with details on the event.
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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