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1. 06:05 AM - Re: newbie question (airlion2@gmail.com)
2. 06:06 AM - How I decided to build a Pietenpol (Donald Lane)
3. 06:56 AM - Re: a view from the cockpit (aerocarjake)
4. 07:12 AM - carb heat muff (Rick Schreiber)
5. 07:43 AM - Re: newbie question (Jack Phillips)
6. 08:32 AM - Re: carb heat muff (Ken Bickers)
7. 09:09 AM - Re: newbie question (airlion2@gmail.com)
8. 11:56 AM - Re: newbie question (kmercer)
9. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: newbie question (Gary Boothe)
10. 12:22 PM - Jack Textor actually read my Uncle Tony's books! (santiago morete)
11. 12:34 PM - Re: Jack Textor actually read my Uncle Tony's books! (TOM STINEMETZE)
12. 01:24 PM - Re: powder coating is almost impossible to remove (Andrew Eldredge)
13. 02:14 PM - tie downs for fly-ins... (Douwe Blumberg)
14. 02:17 PM - Re: my new tag line (DOMIT)
15. 02:25 PM - Re: carb heat muff (Gary Boothe)
16. 02:27 PM - FW: Your my guinea pig and you didn't even know it. (Gary Boothe)
17. 02:28 PM - tying down (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
18. 02:52 PM - Re: my new tag line (cjborsuk)
19. 03:10 PM - Re: carb heat muff (Rick Schreiber)
20. 03:27 PM - Re: FW: Your my guinea pig and you didn't even know it. (Rick Schreiber)
21. 04:04 PM - Re: tie downs for fly-ins... (Jack Phillips)
22. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: my new tag line (Gary Boothe)
23. 05:43 PM - Re: carb heat muff (taildrags)
24. 06:00 PM - Re: tie downs for fly-ins... (jarheadpilot82)
25. 08:05 PM - Re: tie downs for fly-ins... (helspersew@aol.com)
26. 10:06 PM - Re: FW: Your my guinea pig and you didn't even know it. (Chris)
27. 11:03 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
28. 11:11 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Re: newbie question |
Now now jack, I am now an official octogenarian as of last November since I f
lew my plane after
I turned 80. there is quite a membership and I hope you will be able to joi
n. cheers and see you at Brodhead. Gardiner
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 28, 2013, at 3:40 PM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrot
e:
> I had the same experience at my first Brodhead =93 I=99ve neve
r seen so many 80+ year old men trailing oxygen bottles (I call them =9C
Oxygenarians=9D), and when I told them I was building a Pietenpol they
just turned and walked away. All except Bill Rewey, who was a real gem and
spent quite a while talking with me, and giving good advice. Thankfully, b
y the time I finished mine and flew it there the atmosphere had changed comp
letely and it=99s been a very friendly and fun place ever since.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Par
tners, LLC]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:32 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newbie question
>
>
> Years ago when I came to Brodhead the older crowd was downright snooty and
rude to younger newcomers. I was really put off by the arrogance of some
> of the builders and owners who you thought just stepped out of a nice Lear
jet but in fact just had really rough looking Pietnepols. Thankfully things
have
> changed and there are folks from all walks of life there and all ages now w
hich is really refreshing.
>
> Mike C
> Ohio
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Subject: | How I decided to build a Pietenpol |
Great story, Mario.
It's really nice that you get to work with your Father.
Don Lane
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Subject: | Re: a view from the cockpit |
Mike, that is wonderful.... With all the wind noise you can't tell what engine
it is - you could overdub the beautiful "music" of a Ford Model A (ha!)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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I finished up the installation of my carb heat muff yesterday attached
are a couple of pictures. This carb heat muff was the one I purchased
from Rick Robbins at Robbins Wings. Here is a link
http://www.robbinswings.com/Carb_Heat_Muff.htm
I was really impressed with the price and quality, as I said before.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso IN
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Yeah Gardiner, but the difference is you are not trailing an oxygen
bottle, and you actually FLY (and you=99re pleasant to be around).
I hope to be emulating you in 20 years.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
airlion2@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: newbie question
Now now jack, I am now an official octogenarian as of last November
since I flew my plane after
I turned 80. there is quite a membership and I hope you will be able to
join. cheers and see you at Brodhead. Gardiner
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 28, 2013, at 3:40 PM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
wrote:
I had the same experience at my first Brodhead =93 I=99ve
never seen so many 80+ year old men trailing oxygen bottles (I call them
=9COxygenarians=9D), and when I told them I was building a
Pietenpol they just turned and walked away. All except Bill Rewey, who
was a real gem and spent quite a while talking with me, and giving good
advice. Thankfully, by the time I finished mine and flew it there the
atmosphere had changed completely and it=99s been a very friendly
and fun place ever since.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newbie question
Years ago when I came to Brodhead the older crowd was downright snooty
and rude to younger newcomers. I was really put off by the arrogance of
some
of the builders and owners who you thought just stepped out of a nice
Learjet but in fact just had really rough looking Pietnepols.
Thankfully things have
changed and there are folks from all walks of life there and all ages
now which is really refreshing.
Mike C
Ohio
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Subject: | Re: carb heat muff |
Very nice, Rick!
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Rick Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I finished up the installation of my carb heat muff yesterday attached are a
> couple of pictures. This carb heat muff was the one I purchased from Rick
> Robbins at Robbins Wings. Here is a link
> http://www.robbinswings.com/Carb_Heat_Muff.htm
> I was really impressed with the price and quality, as I said before.
>
> Rick Schreiber
> Valparaiso IN
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Subject: | Re: newbie question |
Thanks jack, you will, I am sure, how is your Rv 10 coming along ? Gardiner
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 1, 2013, at 10:42 AM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrot
e:
> Yeah Gardiner, but the difference is you are not trailing an oxygen bottle
, and you actually FLY (and you=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2re pleasant to be aro
und).=C3=82 I hope to be emulating you in 20 years.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion2@gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:05 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: newbie question
>
> Now now jack, I am now an official octogenarian as of last November since I
flew my plane after
> I turned 80. there is quite a membership and I hope you will be able to j
oin. cheers and see you at Brodhead. Gardiner
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 28, 2013, at 3:40 PM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wr
ote:
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>> I had the same experience at my first Brodhead =C3=A2=82=AC=9C I
=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2ve never seen so many 80+ year old men trailing oxyg
en bottles (I call them =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93Oxygenarians=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D
), and when I told them I was building a Pietenpol they just turned and walk
ed away. All except Bill Rewey, who was a real gem and spent quite a while t
alking with me, and giving good advice. Thankfully, by the time I finished m
ine and flew it there the atmosphere had changed completely and it=C3=A2=82
=AC=84=A2s been a very friendly and fun place ever since.
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP
>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l
ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Pa
rtners, LLC]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:32 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newbie question
>>
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>> Years ago when I came to Brodhead the older crowd was downright snooty an
d rude to younger newcomers. I was really put off by the arrogance of some
>> of the builders and owners who you thought just stepped out of a nice Lea
rjet but in fact just had really rough looking Pietnepols. Thankfully thing
s have
>> changed and there are folks from all walks of life there and all ages now
which is really refreshing.
>>
>> Mike C
>> Ohio
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Subject: | Re: newbie question |
Thanks for the welcome, everybody. I heard from Mike Groah and will definitely
be attending the West Coast Gathering in June, and I hope to get in touch with
Jim Boyer later today to see if I can meet up with him to see his project up
in Santa Rosa.
Looking forward to meeting you all in Brodhead. In the meantime I need to start
making some sawdust and wooden airplane parts...
Ken
P.S. Dan, I'm close to 180 but I'm not taking any chances. I start my diet today!
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San Rafael, CA (KDVO)
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Subject: | Re: newbie question |
Ken,
If you show up at Jim's on Friday, you will witness the breathtaking 1st startup
of his Corvair!
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 1, 2013, at 11:55 AM, "kmercer" <mercer.k@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the welcome, everybody. I heard from Mike Groah and will definitely
be attending the West Coast Gathering in June, and I hope to get in touch with
Jim Boyer later today to see if I can meet up with him to see his project up
in Santa Rosa.
>
> Looking forward to meeting you all in Brodhead. In the meantime I need to start
making some sawdust and wooden airplane parts...
>
> Ken
>
> P.S. Dan, I'm close to 180 but I'm not taking any chances. I start my diet today!
>
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> Ken Mercer
> San Rafael, CA (KDVO)
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Subject: | Jack Textor actually read my Uncle Tony's books! |
Hi Mario and all, after reading your post I started thinking about how many
Pietenpols are under construction here, in Argentina. Through the years wo
rking on my Piet (this is the ninth year) I have been in touch with at leas
t 27 people interested in building this plane, I tried to encourage all of
them to build this beautiful airplane and invited everyone to this forum. I
guess we have at least 10 being built and 2 flying. I know that doesn't so
und spectacular, but it's a huge number for us.=0ASaludos=0A=0ASantiago
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Subject: | Re: Jack Textor actually read my Uncle Tony's books! |
Santiago:
Ten under construction and 2 flying is spectacular! I will personally only be
really enthused when one in particular starts flying. Will that day ever get
here? However, if you beat me into the air I promise to still cheer.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
McPherson, KS.
(working on the instrument and fuel hookups)
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>>> santiago morete <moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar> 3/1/2013 2:21 PM >>>
Hi Mario and all, after reading your post I started thinking about how many Pietenpols
are under construction here, in Argentina. Through the years working on
my Piet (this is the ninth year) I have been in touch with at least 27 people
interested in building this plane, I tried to encourage all of them to build
this beautiful airplane and invited everyone to this forum. I guess we have at
least 10 being built and 2 flying. I know that doesn't sound spectacular, but
it's a huge number for us.
Saludos
Santiago
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Subject: | Re: powder coating is almost impossible to remove |
I use a torch then follow with a wire brush, the paint burns and flakes
long before the metal gets hot enough to worry about.
On Feb 28, 2013 6:57 PM, "Joe Motis" <joemotis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mike, try using plain old paint stripper. The powder coat comes of in a
> big hurry.
>
> Joe Motis
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
> Partners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
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>> Guys=97just a quick note. I tried to repair a riding tractor part (crac
ked
>> part) by TIG welding but after bead****
>>
>> and sand blasting I couldn=92t touch the surfaces that needed to be clea
ned
>> hardly at all to get the paint off to****
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>> make a clean weld because the part was powder coated. ****
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>> ** **
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>> Just passing along what I found. Hopefully none of our Piet parts
>> (painted with spray or powder coated) will ever****
>>
>> fail or need to be repaired but that was my experience with my riding
>> mower. ****
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>> ** **
>>
>> And truthfully after 15 years of flying my Piet there isn=92t one part t
hat
>> I wish I powder coated. I just did a very good job****
>>
>> of bead blasting, priming, and then painting conventionally. I must
>> say the finish is pretty nice on those powder coated****
>>
>> parts though but it just never appealed to me enough to do it. ****
>>
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>> Mike C.****
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Subject: | tie downs for fly-ins... |
With warm weather around the corner (hopefully!) I'm starting to
plan/daydream about putting the hours on Re-PIET and I've started
daydreaming about my first Brodhead flight (unless life intervenes).
A few of my daydreams turned to day-nightmares as I remembered some of the
horrendous thunderstorms that Marci and I have endured in our tent,
especially after my visit to Gardiner and seeing his "pietenpile" photos
from the Sun n' Fun disaster of a few years ago.
All of which led me to start thinking about the best technique to tie a
Pietenpol down when flying around our beautiful, but stormy, Midwest.
I'd appreciate hearing experiences and techniques regarding:
1. types of tie downs to carry
2. direction to point the plane as something is roaring in
3. value to tying something like foam tubes on the wing top to break
lift
4. and any other ideas you might have.
Thanks!
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: my new tag line |
steven.d.dortch(at)us.arm wrote:
> How about "I think, therefore I am! I think?"
>
> Steve D
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> ---
Ren Descartes walks into a McDonalds.
The girl at the counter asks "May I take your order?"
He replies "I would like a Big Mac and a small Coke."
The girls asks "would you like fries with that?"
He says "I think not... " and POOF! He disappears.
Hmmm... my tagline:
Windows... from the people who brought you EDLIN!
(Only the long-time IT geeks are going to get that one!)
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Brad "DOMIT" Smith
First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast.
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Nice, Rick! What is the length? I have short, straight pipes.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Schreiber
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: carb heat muff
I finished up the installation of my carb heat muff yesterday attached are a
couple of pictures. This carb heat muff was the one I purchased from Rick
Robbins at Robbins Wings. Here is a link
http://www.robbinswings.com/Carb_Heat_Muff.htm
I was really impressed with the price and quality, as I said before.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso IN
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Subject: | FW: Your my guinea pig and you didn't even know it. |
All,
Our very good friend, and fellow builder, Chris Tracy,
www.westcoastpiet.com, has been unable to update his website for a couple
years.until now!
Send him your stuff!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: Chris [mailto:catdesigns@att.net]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 1:04 AM
Subject: Your my guinea pig and you didn't even know it.
I finally figured out a way to update the web page and used your photos as
the test subject. Here are the new ones. Now all I have to do is add all
the rest I have been saving up.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/gary_boothe.htm
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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Douwe--- I put a cap on my fuel filler cap and cork and wire vent when I pa
rk overnight to keep dew, moisture, and rain out
of my fuel tank. Lightweight wheel chocks are nice to carry.
Tie your stick back with the lap belt. Ailerons on Piets love to bang stop
-to-stop on gusty days even when there is no thunderstorm
in the area. Even at fuel stops I have had to tie my stick back so the ai
lerons don't bang around. Perhaps you have provisions for
a control gust lock. Some do but for the rest of us the lap belt works wel
l. I circle my stick once around before buckling it and that
keeps the ailerons from moving and keeps the elevator in the up position.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: my new tag line |
I don't know Mike, I think your new tag line should be Mike "Ice Man" Cuy. I won't
be able to see you or your name in print without humming Ice Ice Baby!
Or Mike "The Ice" Cuy. I like it!
Chuck
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Subject: | Re: carb heat muff |
On 3/1/2013 4:23 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
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> Nice, Rick! What is the length? I have short, straight pipes.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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Gary,
The standard dimension is either 4 or 6 inches. Mine is 6 inches. Just
give Rick Robbins a call (303) 423-7002 and he will design the muff to
fit your requirements.
Rick Schreiber
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Subject: | Re: FW: Your my guinea pig and you didn't even know it. |
Gary,
I have just been looking at the new pictures on Chris' site- very nice
work! Thanks Chris for posting these.
Rick Schreiber
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Subject: | tie downs for fly-ins... |
Hi Douwe,
I've been using "The Claw" tie-downs for years, with good results. They've
kept my Piet in place through some of the worst thunderstorms Brodhead, Sun
'n' Fun and Oshkosh have offered. They're a bit pricey at about $90 a set,
but they work. Their customer service is excellent as well.
I have a pair of cockpit covers that my wife sewed for me that work very
well, but don't totally prevent water getting in the airplane. It still
comes in around the holes in the cowling where the cabane struts meet the
fuselage. I always carry a towel to help sop up the water that comes in
during the Brodhead monsoon. I've never tied foam tubes on the wings. I do
hold the controls by looping the seatbelt over the stick as Mike Cuy
suggested, which holds the ailerons and elevator. I would like to have a
gust lock on the rudder but I don't.
I do recommend a pitot tube cover to prevent rain from getting in your pitot
tube (ask Dan Helsper about that).
It doesn't matter what you do. When you are lying in your sleeping bag at
Brodhead, listening to driving rain and wind and horrendous "Cannon Shots"
of thunder, you will wonder if your pride and joy will still be there in the
morning. Amazingly, it always has been for me. We had a tornado within a
few miles of Brodhead a couple of years ago, and I'm sure that as Gardiner
found out, no matter what kind of tie-down you have, it won't save you in a
tornado. Hopefully we'll never have such during the fly-in.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tie downs for fly-ins...
With warm weather around the corner (hopefully!) I'm starting to
plan/daydream about putting the hours on Re-PIET and I've started
daydreaming about my first Brodhead flight (unless life intervenes).
A few of my daydreams turned to day-nightmares as I remembered some of the
horrendous thunderstorms that Marci and I have endured in our tent,
especially after my visit to Gardiner and seeing his "pietenpile" photos
from the Sun n' Fun disaster of a few years ago.
All of which led me to start thinking about the best technique to tie a
Pietenpol down when flying around our beautiful, but stormy, Midwest.
I'd appreciate hearing experiences and techniques regarding:
1. types of tie downs to carry
2. direction to point the plane as something is roaring in
3. value to tying something like foam tubes on the wing top to break
lift
4. and any other ideas you might have.
Thanks!
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: my new tag line |
"That's right, I'm dangerous, Ice....Man!"
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 1, 2013, at 2:50 PM, "cjborsuk" <cjborsuk@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I don't know Mike, I think your new tag line should be Mike "Ice Man" Cuy. I
won't be able to see you or your name in print without humming Ice Ice Baby!
> Or Mike "The Ice" Cuy. I like it!
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Subject: | Re: carb heat muff |
Very nice setup, clean stacks. Looking at the port that you have in the firewall,
is that just there to give you access to the front pedals from the firewall
side? I assume that you'll just have a flat circle or square screwed onto the
firewall to cover the hole?
Although I guess you could pipe your relief tube out the firewall and into the
heat muff to vaporize the relieved liquid. Gives a whole new meaning to the term
"smoke system".
All kidding aside, you have a very clean setup.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: tie downs for fly-ins... |
Douwe,
Here are some links to some EAA articles showing how to make tie downs. I made
the first ones.
[url]http://www.eaa.org/sportaviationmag/2011/1106_April_2010_BuildIt.pdf
[/url]
Hope it helps.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: tie downs for fly-ins... |
Hi Douwe,
Last year I bought "The Claw". Haven't used it yet due to I was lucky enoug
h to get one of the two permanent tie down spots at Brodhead. The Claw is n
ice in the fact they give you a carrying bag, and a hammer included with th
e kit. And it is not unduly heavy.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 1, 2013 4:14 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tie downs for fly-ins...
With warm weather around the corner (hopefully!) I=99mstarting to pla
n/daydream about putting the hours on Re-PIET and I=99vestarted daydr
eaming about my first Brodhead flight (unless life intervenes).
A few of my daydreams turned to day-nightmares as Iremembered some of the h
orrendous thunderstorms that Marci and I have enduredin our tent, especiall
y after my visit to Gardiner and seeing his =9Cpietenpile=9Dpho
tos from the Sun n=99 Fun disaster of a few years ago.
All of which led me to start thinking about the besttechnique to tie a Piet
enpol down when flying around our beautiful, but stormy,Midwest.
I=99d appreciate hearing experiences and techniquesregarding:
types of tie downs to carry
direction to point the plane as something is roaring in
value to tying something like foam tubes on the wing top to break lift
and any other ideas you might have.
Thanks!
Douwe
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Subject: | FW: Your my guinea pig and you didn't even know it. |
Oh great Gary, thanks for outing me. Now everyone knows I build websites
about as slow as I build airplanes. How would you like it if I told
everyone you put a CAR engine in your plane which you built from POPLAR
purchased from the local lumber store which you tried to conceal behind a
snazzy looking LATEX paint job. Latex I tell you, that's low cost house
paint! And don't think I will hesitate to tell them about your home carved
propeller and those wood struts. WOOD STRUTS for gosh sakes! There a
fraction of the cost of my steel ones. Well, how would you like that,
Gaaarrryyyy???
Oh wait a minute that's all really cool stuff that is really impressive and
your plane looks really nice and seems to fly rather well. NEVER MIND,
forget I said anything. It must be all this warm sunny weather were having
getting to my brain.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: Your my guinea pig and you didn't even know it.
All,
Our very good friend, and fellow builder, Chris Tracy,
www.westcoastpiet.com, has been unable to update his website for a couple
years.until now!
Send him your stuff!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: Chris [mailto:catdesigns@att.net]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 1:04 AM
Subject: Your my guinea pig and you didn't even know it.
I finally figured out a way to update the web page and used your photos as
the test subject. Here are the new ones. Now all I have to do is add all
the rest I have been saving up.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/gary_boothe.htm
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
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following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
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Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
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responses.
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aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
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Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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