---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/03/13: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:08 AM - Re: first airplane ride (Barry Davis) 2. 06:13 AM - Re: a view from the cockpit (aerocarjake) 3. 07:08 AM - Re: first airplane ride (Gary Boothe) 4. 07:25 AM - Re: first airplane ride (Jerry Dotson) 5. 07:30 AM - Re: first airplane ride (kevinpurtee) 6. 07:34 AM - Re: Pietenpol safety (Gary Boothe) 7. 07:44 AM - Re: Pietenpol safety (tools) 8. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol safety (Gary Boothe) 9. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: first airplane ride (Gardiner Mason) 10. 08:50 AM - Re: Aileron Hinge (John Hall) 11. 08:53 AM - Wooden landing gear axle (Larry V) 12. 09:02 AM - Re: Wooden landing gear axle (Larry V) 13. 09:14 AM - Re: Wooden landing gear axle (Gary Boothe) 14. 09:44 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Dick N) 15. 10:21 AM - Hat Box, Glove Box (cjborsuk) 16. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Once around the patch (Ray Krause) 17. 10:49 AM - Re: Hacksaw chisels (Rick Schreiber) 18. 10:56 AM - Re: Hat Box, Glove Box (Gary Boothe) 19. 11:13 AM - Re: Hat Box, Glove Box (cjborsuk) 20. 11:48 AM - Re: Hat Box, Glove Box (nightmare) 21. 11:56 AM - Re: Hat Box, Glove Box (nightmare) 22. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (norm) 23. 12:41 PM - Re: Wooden landing gear axle (Jack Phillips) 24. 12:55 PM - Re: Hat Box, Glove Box (Jack Phillips) 25. 01:52 PM - Re: Hat Box, Glove Box (cjborsuk) 26. 01:58 PM - Re: Hat Box, Glove Box (cjborsuk) 27. 01:58 PM - Westcoast piet (Douwe Blumberg) 28. 03:50 PM - Re: Hat Box, Glove Box (nightmare) 29. 10:12 PM - Re: Wooden landing gear axle (Larry V) 30. 10:50 PM - Re: Re: Once around the patch (Chris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:52 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first airplane ride Good one! From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: first airplane ride Okay, one more flying video. This one is 4:25, it's not a Piet, but the feel is very reminiscent of why we love our low and slow flying and introducing people to flying this way. And for "Ice Ice" Mikee- don't bother... this one has music and we know you don't like that ;o) http://www.youtube.com/embed/w8JU-1ZrRAg?feature=player_embedded do not archive Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a view from the cockpit From: "aerocarjake" i LIKE it......!! An inspirational video - for when I return to Seattle... (Still working estate issue and moving mom to a new place..... ) The Pietenpol aspect of this is that some of DAD's tools will now be used to construct MY piet - to respect and honor his contribution to my project/life.... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395488#395488 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:12 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first airplane ride Love it when she claps! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 5:12 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first airplane ride Good one! From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: first airplane ride Okay, one more flying video. This one is 4:25, it's not a Piet, but the feel is very reminiscent of why we love our low and slow flying and introducing people to flying this way. And for "Ice Ice" Mikee- don't bother... this one has music and we know you don't like that ;o) http://www.youtube.com/embed/w8JU-1ZrRAg?feature=player_embedded do not archive Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first airplane ride From: "Jerry Dotson" What a beautiful child and a great video. I turned the sound off. I'm kinda like Mikee on that..... I like wind and engine sounds. Would love to have heard what she was saying. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395493#395493 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first airplane ride From: "kevinpurtee" Wow. Brought tears to my eyes. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395495#395495 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:43 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol safety "...homemade thin chisels made from hacksaw blades..."?? Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Schreiber Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 7:35 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol safety --> < lmforge@earthlink.net> On 3/2/2013 9:03 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Rick, > > You bring up an excellent point! On the side of every Pietenpol should > be a graphic similar to the attached!! I'm afraid the same thing could > happen to me... > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > Gary, Jim told me that when he hooked up the original fuel tank shut off controls the fuselage was upside down on saw horses. It was not much of a problem too crawl underneath and reach up to the valve. It was an entirely different story when the fuselage was on its gear. Before I installed the firewall I tried to reach forward to touch the fuel line attachment and the valve while standing on a ladder along side the fuselage. I quickly realized that this wasn't going to work, my arms weren't long enough. I remember seeing a photo that Walt Evans had posted sometime ago of his firewall with the access port, so I always had this idea in the back of my mind. Being a woodworker, I had some homemade thin chisels made from hacksaw blades. I used these to carefully cut out the access hole. The wood cover is actually the same piece I cut out with the same grain orientation. There really is no kerf cut so the fit was so tight I had to sand slightly to allow for the varnish and wood expansion. As I said the plug is barely visible from inside the cockpit except for the small nutplates that secure the cover. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol safety From: "tools" http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=17856.0 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395497#395497 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:59 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol safety Interesting....thanks! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 7:44 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol safety http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=17856.0 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395497#395497 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first airplane ride From: Gardiner Mason hi kevin, i haven't seen you in a while on the list. how is your rebuild going? will you be able for brodhead this summer? cheers, gardiner mason On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > Wow. Brought tears to my eyes. > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > Rebuilding NX899KP > Austin/San Marcos, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395495#395495 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge From: "John Hall" Hello, I am new in this field and I need help finding the best supplier for my hinges. I need these models: http://www.spep.com/Blog/StainlessSteelFootmanLoops.html and http://www.spep.com/Blog/Stainless-Steel-Strap-Hinges.html, but they don't sell to individuals, it's a $150 minimum order! Does anyone know of a reputable and reasonably priced site? Any help will be welcome :) Thanks, John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395504#395504 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wooden landing gear axle From: "Larry V" Thanks for the comments on my photos of my piet project, subject motivation, that was well appreciated. I am trying to work out my work schedule so I can make it to Brodhead this year and meet some of you . I was wondering if any one could tell me the space between the bottom v of wooden axle and the brake on the wheel? I am going to cut the 1 1/2 inch tubing and do not want to cut it to short, I dont know how much room to leave for the bungee cord. Your comments are appreciated. Thanks Larry V + / wheel >I-------V--------------V-------I < wheel [space] centre [space] front view of landing gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395505#395505 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden landing gear axle From: "Larry V" That illustration I put on the bottom for front view of landing gear did not centre properly when I posted it. I should of attached a picture. Larry V Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395508#395508 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:13 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wooden landing gear axle Larry, I think that a lot has to do with your brake design, type of wheels, and anti-rotation device, but, if you put the ties on the inside, you will have two wraps of 1/2" bungee on the outside. I would think that 1 1/2 - 2" would be sufficient. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry V Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 8:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wooden landing gear axle --> Thanks for the comments on my photos of my piet project, subject motivation, that was well appreciated. I am trying to work out my work schedule so I can make it to Brodhead this year and meet some of you . I was wondering if any one could tell me the space between the bottom v of wooden axle and the brake on the wheel? I am going to cut the 1 1/2 inch tubing and do not want to cut it to short, I dont know how much room to leave for the bungee cord. Your comments are appreciated. Thanks Larry V + / wheel >I-------V--------------V-------I < wheel [space] centre [space] front view of landing gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395505#395505 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:43 AM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge You will find them at SNF, B&B aircraft supply carries them up to 6' length. See you there Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 10:50 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > Hello, > > I am new in this field and I need help finding the best supplier for my > hinges. I need these models: > http://www.spep.com/Blog/StainlessSteelFootmanLoops.html and > http://www.spep.com/Blog/Stainless-Steel-Strap-Hinges.html, but they don't > sell to individuals, it's a $150 minimum order! > Does anyone know of a reputable and reasonably priced site? > Any help will be welcome :) > > Thanks, > John > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395504#395504 > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hat Box, Glove Box From: "cjborsuk" Work continues... Added glove box to front cockpit. Overlay door for the hat box. The back of the instrument panel slides in at the bottom. Chuck 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395520#395520 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/11_760.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/10_804.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/9_151.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/8_594.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/7_888.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/6_138.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_180.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:46 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Once around the patch Great way to spend a day, better than coming to Colusa! What a beautiful plane, love the struts. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Mar 2, 2013, at 6:31 PM, "echobravo4" wrote: > > Awesome! > That's great Gary > > -------- > Earl Brown > > I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395464#395464 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:55 AM PST US From: Rick Schreiber Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hacksaw chisels On 3/3/2013 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > /"...homemade thin chisels made from hacksaw blades..."/?? > > Gary Boothe > > NX308MB > > Gary, Tools sent a link to a muzzleloading rifle site that explains how to make these chisels. Attached is a photo of some of the ones I have made. I have used these chisels to make flintlock rifles and other projects where I need to do precise inletting into wood. I also used them on the Pietenpol to inlet my rudder and elevator hinges. The set I have are nothing fancy and they have lasted me for almost 45 years. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:51 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hat Box, Glove Box Interesting door and hinge ideas, Chuck...very nice work! You could fit a 10 gallon hat in that hat box, for when you fly down to see Kevin! I'm perplexed by your controls, though...maybe it's just a weird view... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 10:18 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hat Box, Glove Box Work continues... Added glove box to front cockpit. Overlay door for the hat box. The back of the instrument panel slides in at the bottom. Chuck 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395520#395520 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/11_760.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/10_804.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/9_151.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/8_594.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/7_888.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/6_138.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_180.jpg ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hat Box, Glove Box From: "cjborsuk" Gary, No controls in the front and tabs added to rudder bar. Otherwise standard. Chuck Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395529#395529 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hat Box, Glove Box From: "nightmare" Beautiful work Chuck -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395532#395532 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hat Box, Glove Box From: "nightmare" Since you are at this particular stage, could you post a pic of the lower front of your fuselage (fuselage). Im not at that stage yet. But little confused on how the lower brackets are attached to hold the bottom and lower sides together. A picture would sure help me . Thanks; Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395533#395533 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:10 PM PST US From: norm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge West Marine inc. online has them --- On Sun, 3/3/13, John Hall wrote: From: John Hall Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge Hello, I am new in this field and I need help finding the best supplier for my hin ges. I need these models: http://www.spep.com/Blog/StainlessSteelFootmanLoo ps.html and http://www.spep.com/Blog/Stainless-Steel-Strap-Hinges.html, but they don't sell to individuals, it's a $150 minimum order! Does anyone know of a reputable and reasonably priced site? Any help will be welcome :) Thanks, John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395504#395504 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:45 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wooden landing gear axle Larry, on mine, the forward end of the V-block (which is the closest to the brake disc) is 2.50" inboard of the brake disc. I wouldn't want it any closer because even though the bungee cord tends to lay pretty close to the V and leaves an inch or so gap between the V and the brake, you need ALL of that space and more to wrap the bungees. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry V Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wooden landing gear axle Thanks for the comments on my photos of my piet project, subject motivation, that was well appreciated. I am trying to work out my work schedule so I can make it to Brodhead this year and meet some of you . I was wondering if any one could tell me the space between the bottom v of wooden axle and the brake on the wheel? I am going to cut the 1 1/2 inch tubing and do not want to cut it to short, I dont know how much room to leave for the bungee cord. Your comments are appreciated. Thanks Larry V + / wheel >I-------V--------------V-------I < wheel [space] centre [space] front view of landing gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395505#395505 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:52 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hat Box, Glove Box Beautiful work as usual, Chuck. One of the best things I ever did was take you up on the most perfect morning for flying I've ever seen (glassy smooth air, calm winds and 100 mile visibility) and getting you bitten by the Pietenpol Bug. Not that I can take credit for your interest - you were already interested in building a Pietenpol before that morning, but I like to think that somehow I gave you the nudge to get started building. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hat Box, Glove Box Work continues... Added glove box to front cockpit. Overlay door for the hat box. The back of the instrument panel slides in at the bottom. Chuck 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395520#395520 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/11_760.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/10_804.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/9_151.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/8_594.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/7_888.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/6_138.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_180.jpg ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hat Box, Glove Box From: "cjborsuk" Thanks Jack. You hit it on the head. The interest was there, but there is no way I would have jumped in without that ride. You along with a number of others on this list have been true ambassadors of the Pietenpol. We all thank you. For some new to the list, I have included a link I found when searching for info about the Pietenpol. There are also two old newsletters from our EAA chapter with good stories from Jack's experiences flying his Piet. These are how I first discovered Jack was living close by. I gave him a call out of the blue and he graciously invited to take a ride. Good reading. Enjoy! http://www4.ncsu.edu/~kdebord/pietcon.html Chuck 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395546#395546 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ap_april_03_167.pdf http://forums.matronics.com//files/ap_march_03_130.pdf ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hat Box, Glove Box From: "cjborsuk" Paul, Do these help? Chuck 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395547#395547 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/front_620.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0110_136.jpg ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:25 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Westcoast piet Hey Chris, We're all extremely grateful for the work you've put into westcoastpiet. It has been of untold value to the Pietenpol community in providing help, direction and above all. motivation. Keep up the good work and thanks!!! Douwe ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hat Box, Glove Box From: "nightmare" Thanks Chuck. That does help. It seems odd that its not designed so the fitting ties together the bottom wood 1x . But I guess the motor mount does a good job keeping the forward fuselage nice and solid. Thanks.Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395555#395555 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden landing gear axle From: "Larry V" Gary and Jack thank you for the information. Take care Larry V Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395569#395569 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:19 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Once around the patch Wasn't so good for me. I missed out on seeing your sky scout, enjoying both yours and Gary's company and I had to mow the lawn because I was here. Bummer Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Once around the patch --> Great way to spend a day, better than coming to Colusa! What a beautiful plane, love the struts. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Mar 2, 2013, at 6:31 PM, "echobravo4" wrote: > > Awesome! > That's great Gary > > -------- > Earl Brown > > I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395464#395464 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.