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1. 04:03 AM - Re: carb heat muff (Jack)
2. 05:08 AM - Re: Progress Report (aerocarjake)
3. 05:17 AM - Allen Rudolph Piet (Don Emch)
4. 06:46 AM - Re: Allen Rudolph Piet (proplock)
5. 08:16 AM - Re: Allen Rudolph Piet (Jim Boyer)
6. 09:06 AM - Re: Allen Rudolph Piet (Don Emch)
7. 10:17 AM - Building place..es (giacummo)
8. 10:24 AM - Re: carb heat muff (Rick Schreiber)
9. 11:00 AM - Re: Building place..es (Jim Boyer)
10. 11:55 AM - Mario's photos of building (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
11. 12:49 PM - Re: Building place..es (giacummo)
12. 12:51 PM - Re: Mario's photos of building (giacummo)
13. 06:50 PM - Re: Building place..es (Bill Church)
14. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: Building place..es (Clif Dawson)
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Rick very nice work and thank you for sharing the site! If I'm correct the
air enters the oblong hole, is heated then diverted to the carb intake? Dose
that heat enough to be effective?
Jack Textor
Des Moines, IA
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Schreiber
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: carb heat muff
I finished up the installation of my carb heat muff yesterday attached
are a couple of pictures. This carb heat muff was the one I purchased
from Rick Robbins at Robbins Wings. Here is a link
http://www.robbinswings.com/Carb_Heat_Muff.htm
I was really impressed with the price and quality, as I said before.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso IN
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| Subject: | Re: Progress Report |
Wonderful progress Kevin - very inspirational indeed, thx..........
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Allen Rudolph Piet |
I saw a mention of the Allen Rudolph Piet and thought I would post an update to
that. It is alive and well in Alliance, OH. It is hangared at Barber Field.
Frank Pavliga is the current care taker. I regularly meet up with Frank for
breakfast at a local airport. He flys the Rudolph Piet and I fly mine. Last
summer we spent the week "Barnstorming" and Frank flew it. See the attached
picture. Gotta be the coolest and most legendary Piet out there! Flown regulary
since 1934!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Allen Rudolph Piet |
Hey Don, is this the trip you guys go on out to Ag. country? Seems to me i saw
a video of piets arriving at a farm hay field, and the kids were so excited!
just wondering, had the pleasure of meeting Allen Rudolf, this is what's neat
about the Piets, an endless connection. Best regards, John III
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A remarkable lad , capable of many things
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| Subject: | Re: Allen Rudolph Piet |
I saw a mention of the Allen Rudolph Piet and thought I would post an updat
e to that. =C2-It is alive and well in Alliance, OH. =C2-It is hangared
at Barber Field. =C2-Frank Pavliga is the current care taker.
Hi Don,
Thanks for the update on Allen's Piet. I had seen his Piet several times at
Brodhead and had heard it had a new caretaker but didn't know who that was
.
Thanks again,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Allen Rudolph Piet |
John,
Yes, that is the same trip. It was started by Andrew King and Frank Pavliga.
I've just tagged along a few of the years. Very unique and lots of fun!
Check it out... http://www.barnstormingmovie.com/
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Building place..es |
Why not make (and give to the futuer bilders) something to say about the building
places we used to develope the project?.. I think the building place is something
very important to take in account before begin, and see some examples bigs
and smalls can give more determination to begin.. or not.
I saw very clean and big places, and others very smalls; it come to my mind the
one piece wing of Chuck Gantzer crossing two or three rooms, i don see it very
clear in the photos.
An extrem example is this one http://goo.gl/9qNbT
I am going to post some photos of mine, I start in a room over my parents house
garage, this place was unused, so I went there. There I build the fuselage and
the empanagge, when the fuselagge was quasi ready, we download it to the garage
below the room and I begin the first wing.. when the second wing was assambled
I lost this room for xx reason, so, I download one wing to the garage and
hang it over the fuse, and get the other wing to my home, and hang it to the
roof to make place for the car. and this is my actual situation, the fuse and
one wing in my parents garage and the other wing at home.
It's not very comfortable work at home, the space is very reduced, and permanently
are bikes, surfboards, grass cutter, etc going out and in.. but it's what
I have, and when I am angry about that, I saw the Taylor titch video..
anyway, just to kill time with a cofee in hand.
Reegards
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Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: carb heat muff |
On 3/6/2013 6:03 AM, Jack wrote:
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> Rick very nice work and thank you for sharing the site! If I'm correct the
> air enters the oblong hole, is heated then diverted to the carb intake? Dose
> that heat enough to be effective?
>
> Jack Textor
> Des Moines, IA
>
Jack that is the airflow pattern. Once the carb heat is turned on, a
flapper on the carb air box closes off all intake air from the front of
the air box ( the normal intake) and opens the intake on the air box
side. This intake is connected to the carb heat muff by the short piece
of scat tubing. Rick Robbins supplies most of the cabin heat and carb
heat muffs for the Vans RV series aircraft. His standard carb heat muff
is a slot along the long axis of the muff (see attached photo). When I
talked to him about my corvair/Pietenpol installation he said that the
standard muff is not what is needed. The standard muff is for coweled
areas that are relatively calm as far as air turbulence, such as an RV.
Aircraft that have a turbulent coweled area such as Pietenpol need to
have a more restricted intake to improve the heat transfer. He said the
muff that I ordered actually works very well even on uncoweled aircraft
such as a Breezy. I asked Rick about wraping the exhaust pipe inside the
muff with a spiral wire to improve heat transfer. He stated that studies
have shown that there is no improvement in heat transfer with or
without. The muff as he has designed will be effective.
On a different note...I am finishing up my nose bowl today and the rest
of my aluminum for the engine cowl is on the UPS truck for delivery
today. As soon as my prop arrives I will be ready for first engine start.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Building place..es |
Mario, thank you for posting the pictures of your building and building space.
I feel like I have just enough room and I am building in a 2 car garage; big space
compared to yours.
Your work looks very good on your Piet; good building and don't drink too much
coffee.
Best,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Mario's photos of building |
Those were great photos Mario and it shows that if you had enough desire th
at you can build a Pietenpol if
you want one badly enough. I built most of my plane in my living room and
dining room when I lived in a Sear & Roebuck
kit farmhouse (built in the late 30's, delivered to the site by train) out
in the country.
I had a single car garage and with the wings and tailfeathers off I could f
it the entire airplane in my single car garage. Okay, the
crankshaft stuck thru the back window but 98% of it fit in the garage.
You are doing NICE work too Mario. What kind of engine do you think you wi
ll be using?
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t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building place..es
--> <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
Why not make (and give to the futuer bilders) something to say about the bu
ilding places we used to develope the project?.. I think the building place
is something very important to take in account before begin, and see some
examples bigs and smalls can give more determination to begin.. or not.
I saw very clean and big places, and others very smalls; it come to my mind
the one piece wing of Chuck Gantzer crossing two or three rooms, i don see
it very clear in the photos.
An extrem example is this one http://goo.gl/9qNbT
I am going to post some photos of mine, I start in a room over my parents h
ouse garage, this place was unused, so I went there. There I build the fuse
lage and the empanagge, when the fuselagge was quasi ready, we download it
to the garage below the room and I begin the first wing.. when the second w
ing was assambled I lost this room for xx reason, so, I download one wing t
o the garage and hang it over the fuse, and get the other wing to my home,
and hang it to the roof to make place for the car. and this is my actual si
tuation, the fuse and one wing in my parents garage and the other wing at h
ome.
It's not very comfortable work at home, the space is very reduced, and perm
anently are bikes, surfboards, grass cutter, etc going out and in.. but it'
s what I have, and when I am angry about that, I saw the Taylor titch video
..
anyway, just to kill time with a cofee in hand.
Reegards
--------
Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: Building place..es |
You are welcome, but, the idea with this post it to set a reference post about
"building places..". I never imagined the space the pieces would occupy; if i
had seen some examples or workplaces before.. may be I would have looked other
place.. I dont know. For us this post is an etreteinment, fo a newbe it could
be useful.
Post pictures of your places, like Michael did with him in the folowing post .
Regards.
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Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: Mario's photos of building |
You where married when you did it? ;o))))
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Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
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| Subject: | Re: Building place..es |
Interesting idea, Mario.
I'm building in an unheated (except for a small plug-in space heater) 1 1/2 car
garage, but about 1/3 of the garage is filled with shelving, so it's effectively
only slightly larger than a single car garage. My initial building table
was the dining room table, which I set my rib jig on when I assembled my ribs.
It would be nice to have a bit more space, but, as you say, compared to that
Taylor Titch workspace, it's quite spacious. Attached are a few pictures that
show how cramped (and messy) my workspace is. I've got a tablesaw, and a mobile
work-cart on wheels that holds my drill press, scroll saw and belt/disc sander.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Building place..es |
When I started to build my tailfeathers in Dec
of 99, my two car garage was already full of tools
and work benches including a 60 drawer library
index card beast with an added 2" thick top sporting
two handmade, lefthand cabinetry vises. I added a
four ft by fourteen foot low table down the opposite
side to build on. On page two of my site you'll see my
18 ft skin-on-frame kayak looming low over the fuselage. It took some time
to come to terms with finding a suitable place for that thing. Where? Corner
to corner under the
ceiling of my 12 ft living room. :-) . With all theother stuff in there it
quickly became apparentthat there would be
no way to add landing gear, cabanes, center section or even cowl and turtle
deck! Hmmm.... Oh...... yeah...
sure....So out in the garden it goes!
Now that I'm seriously preparing to build wings I
see that it's going to be logisticly interesting to work
up this 5 by 13 ft thing in there! :-)
Unfortunately I have somehow lost the ability to
upload my wysiwig programs pages so there's a
lot of stuff, like brakes, that's not on site. Yet.
http://www.clifdawson.ca/
Once there go to the right side and click on
"Pietenpol"
Clif
The farther one goes,
The less one knows.
Tao De Ching
> You are welcome, but, the idea with this post it to set a reference post
> about "building places..". I never imagined the space the pieces would
> occupy; if i had seen some examples or workplaces before.. may be I would
> have looked other place.. I dont know. For us this post is an
> etreteinment, fo a newbe it could be useful.
>
> Post pictures of your places, like Michael did with him in the folowing
> post .
>
> Regards.
>
> --------
> Mario Giacummo
> Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
> Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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