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1. 04:38 AM - Re: Building place..es (Jack)
2. 07:08 AM - Corvair cowl (Rick Schreiber)
3. 07:33 AM - cowl attach tabs (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
4. 07:34 AM - totally and completely off-topic (kind of) (Douwe Blumberg)
5. 07:52 AM - Re: Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
6. 08:04 AM - off topic---another great video ruined by music (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
7. 08:16 AM - Re: off topic---another great video ruined by music (Michael Perez)
8. 08:16 AM - Re: Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim (Jim Boyer)
9. 08:28 AM - Re: off topic---another great video ruined by music (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
10. 08:39 AM - Re: Corvair cowl (kevinpurtee)
11. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: Corvair cowl (Hans van der Voort)
12. 09:18 AM - Re: off topic---another great video ruined by music (TOM STINEMETZE)
13. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Corvair cowl (Rick Schreiber)
14. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Corvair cowl (C N Campbell)
15. 10:55 AM - Re: Corvair cowl (John Francis)
16. 11:16 AM - Re: Corvair cowl (kevinpurtee)
17. 12:33 PM - Re: Re: Corvair cowl (Hans van der Voort)
18. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim (helspersew@aol.com)
19. 01:14 PM - Steve Dortch's actual question was...... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
20. 01:22 PM - Re: Steve Dortch's actual question was...... (Jim Boyer)
21. 01:26 PM - Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim (Bill Church)
22. 01:31 PM - to shim or not to shim, that is the question... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
23. 01:32 PM - Re: Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
24. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: Corvair cowl (C N Campbell)
25. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim (Jim Boyer)
26. 03:22 PM - Re: Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim (C N Campbell)
27. 05:45 PM - Re: Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim (helspersew@aol.com)
28. 07:23 PM - Sky Scout fuselage (Rick Schreiber)
29. 07:37 PM - Re: Sky Scout fuselage (Rick Schreiber)
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| Subject: | Building place..es |
Mario great idea. My shop is a lower level family room and garage when
needed. My wife said if I was going to build a plane it had to be at home.
The 16 by 4 foot table has been a blessing. It will be removed when the Piet
is on the gear. I have all the tools needed, sanders, drill presses, band
saws, mill sand blaster, routers, in the lower level. My table saw, lathe
and welders are in the garage. It's roomy but packed with airplane parts,
tools, vacuums and tool boxes. I usually move something to have room to
fart. Not many pictures of just the shop but attached are a couple. I have
my name in for a hangar at the Des Moines airport because the smaller field
north of Des Moines I planned to use was closed.
Jack Textor
Des Moines, IA
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building place..es
Why not make (and give to the futuer bilders) something to say about the
building places we used to develope the project?.. I think the building
place is something very important to take in account before begin, and see
some examples bigs and smalls can give more determination to begin.. or not.
I saw very clean and big places, and others very smalls; it come to my mind
the one piece wing of Chuck Gantzer crossing two or three rooms, i don see
it very clear in the photos.
An extrem example is this one http://goo.gl/9qNbT
I am going to post some photos of mine, I start in a room over my parents
house garage, this place was unused, so I went there. There I build the
fuselage and the empanagge, when the fuselagge was quasi ready, we download
it to the garage below the room and I begin the first wing.. when the second
wing was assambled I lost this room for xx reason, so, I download one wing
to the garage and hang it over the fuse, and get the other wing to my home,
and hang it to the roof to make place for the car. and this is my actual
situation, the fuse and one wing in my parents garage and the other wing at
home.
It's not very comfortable work at home, the space is very reduced, and
permanently are bikes, surfboards, grass cutter, etc going out and in.. but
it's what I have, and when I am angry about that, I saw the Taylor titch
video..
anyway, just to kill time with a cofee in hand.
Reegards
--------
Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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I just finished up my nose bowl and I am getting ready to do the engine
cowl for my Corvair powered Piet. I am basically following the plans
posted by Hans van der Voort, but I am unsure of a couple of points.
First of all is it OK to just use wood screws to mount the mounting tabs
on the firewall? Secondly, I understand how the panels and nosebowl all
fit together, but what is the purpose of the side strips on the plans
(see attachment)? I am using the standard William Wynne motor mount. Are
these side strips used to attach the cowl to the motor mount or are they
just stiffeners? Are there any attachments of the side panels other than
to the top cowl, firewall and nose bowl?
If anyone has picture of their installation it would sure help me out.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| Subject: | cowl attach tabs |
Rick,
I used stainless truss head wood screws to screw my cowling attach tabs to
the firewall. They screwed thru the thin 1/8" firewall
and then into the fuselage framework on the sides and bottom. On the top I
glued 'backing' plywood squares to the backside of
the firewall so the screws would have more depth to bite into on those uppe
r tabs. Worked like a charm.
According to the Tony Bingelis books, cowlings should never be attached to
the motor in any way because of engine vibration
and shake, especially during start up and shutdown. Canteliever the whole
thing off of the firewall and you will get long life out
of your cowling. I know some might be getting tired of me mentioning my
Uncle Tony but he has some outstanding advice on
cowling design and attachments and he saved me a TON of weight up there.
I'm often time surprised at how battleship-like some
cowling attachment methods are when they don't have to be.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | totally and completely off-topic (kind of) |
Hey all,
Completely and totally off-topic, but.
For anyone interested, Marci and I are going to host a ten-year-old
Ukrainian Orphan this summer to give him a break from the grim existence of
an eastern European orphanage. Our aim is to just love on him, let him
experience a (fairly) normal family life, get some English going ( a BIG
help over there) and to give him some unique experiences.
We PLAN on bringing him to Brodhead to camp with us. Hopefully I'll be
flying and Marci will be driving, so he'll ride with her and will hopefully
have a great time.
We pay the expenses to bring him over, and if anyone is into helping out
with this sort of thing, the link is below.
http://www.active.com/donate/summer2013/Viktor
God Bless!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim |
The bird I bought had a "shim" of plywood inserted under the front of the horizontal
stabilizer. I have discussed this with John K and we are both inclined to
leave it out and see what the initial test runs inidcate.
What thinketh the coffee klatch?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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From: taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Offset and Trim
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> Picture is worth a thousand words, I guess. Here's a pic showing my vertical
stabilizer offset (about 1/2") and another showing the washers
> on the top two engine mount points. This doesn't say much because
> everybody seems to be making their mounts differently, but the
> point is that downthrust and offset to the right really helped
> Scout get to a nearly hands- and feet-off cruise trim condition.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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| Subject: | off topic---another great video ruined by music |
Well this is totally off-topic so forgive the intrusion good people but am
I the only one who would
rather hear the sound of this gorgeous Rolls-Royce Merlin engine than heari
ng Marvin Gaye singing
"Let's Get it On" ?
Listen to how incredible this engine sounds (not to mention the beautiful s
moke system) until the guy
ruins it at the 25 second mark. I know, I know.....it is his video and h
e can exercise whatever artistic
talent he wishes but to me this is like putting whipped cream on an onion.
Mike C.
http://vimeo.com/53765837
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| Subject: | Re: off topic---another great video ruined by music |
Never fear my brother!- Here is a clip that I believe will help. It is an
outstanding film showcasing some really great AC...all flying...no music.
I agree Mike, a lot of videos are ruined with music, mostly when covering u
p a nice large radial engine at idle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV7nFXhL8QY
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim |
Hi Steve,
The horizontal stabilizer on my Piet has a gap at the front also and I was
=C2-planning on adding a shim of plywood there to help make the front of
the stabilizer less able to be vibrating up and down at that point.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | off topic---another great video ruined by music |
Now THAT Mike P. I could listen to ALL day long!
Great video-great airplanes, thank you for the link!!!
Mike C.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off topic---another great video ruined by musi
c
Never fear my brother! Here is a clip that I believe will help. It is an o
utstanding film showcasing some really great AC...all flying...no music.
I agree Mike, a lot of videos are ruined with music, mostly when covering u
p a nice large radial engine at idle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV7nFXhL8QY
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com<http://www.karetakeraero.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
Hans can correct me if I'm wrong. He's the engineer. Yes, I believe the side
strips are for stiffening. I didn't install the strips initially and ended up
adding them later when I started getting little annoying cracks.
I used Hans' method for attaching the cowl, similar to what Mike Cuy posted: little
aluminum tabs cut out of 90 degree angle. Attached them through the firewall
into the fuselage structure with wood screws. Attached the cowl to the tabs
using clip nuts. I routinely checked the security of the wood screws and
they would get loose occasionally. I'd put a dab of JB Weld in the hole to help
secure them.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
No correction needed, thats what they are for.=0AI recommend stainless stee
l wood screws with a dap of epoxy to prevent loosening and to seal the wood
.=0ACheck at every annual.=0A-=0AHans=0A-=0ANX 15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A =0A
=0A________________________________=0A From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.a
rmy.mil>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, March 7, 201
3 10:39 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl=0A =0A--> Pietenpol
-List message posted by: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>=0A=0AHans
can correct me if I'm wrong.- He's the engineer.- Yes, I believe the s
ide strips are for stiffening.- I didn't install the strips initially and
ended up adding them later when I started getting little annoying cracks.
=0A=0AI used Hans' method for attaching the cowl, similar to what Mike Cuy
posted: little aluminum tabs cut out of 90 degree angle.- Attached them t
hrough the firewall into the fuselage structure with wood screws.- Attach
ed the cowl to the tabs using clip nuts.- I routinely checked the securit
y of the wood screws and they would get loose occasionally.- I'd put a da
b of JB Weld in the hole to help secure them.=0A=0A--------=0AKevin "A
xel" Purtee=0ARebuilding NX899KP=0AAustin/San Marcos, TX=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Adm
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| Subject: | Re: off topic---another great video ruined by music |
I am in total agreement Mike. Nothing beats the "music" of a Merlin
engine at full song.
I also was mesmerized watching those smoke trails and seeing how they
both got caught in the wingtip vortices behind the airplane. I noted
that the smoke generators sat about one third of the span of the wing,
right under the first gun port on each wing so the vortices must have
been drawing closer to the airplane centerline the further back they
were. Made for a real pretty effect but also a good visual on those
invisible tornadoes left behind by the big fastmovers. As my flight
instructor told me when we were out in a Cessna 150: " Everything is
bigger than us so be aware of those things." Thanks for sharing.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X (paid up N number reservation)
do not archive
>>> "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> 3/7/2013 10:03 AM >>>
Well this is totally off-topic so forgive the intrusion good people but
am I the only one who would
rather hear the sound of this gorgeous Rolls-Royce Merlin engine than
hearing Marvin Gaye singing
Lets Get it On ?
Listen to how incredible this engine sounds (not to mention the
beautiful smoke system) until the guy
ruins it at the 25 second mark. I know, I know..it is his video and
he can exercise whatever artistic
talent he wishes but to me this is like putting whipped cream on an
onion.
Mike C.
http://vimeo.com/53765837
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
On 3/7/2013 11:02 AM, Hans van der Voort wrote:
> No correction needed, thats what they are for.
> I recommend stainless steel wood screws with a dap of epoxy to prevent
> loosening and to seal the wood.
> Check at every annual.
> Hans
> NX 15KV
> Waller, TX
>
Thanks Hans, Kevin and Mike for the reply's. I think I have it under
control now.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
Hans , I have a question about the cowling. I have a 5th bearing on the
front of my engine. Would I need to modify the dimentions of your cowl
to use with the 5th bearing? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans van der Voort
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl
No correction needed, thats what they are for.
I recommend stainless steel wood screws with a dap of epoxy to prevent
loosening and to seal the wood.
Check at every annual.
Hans
NX 15KV
Waller, TX
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Hans can correct me if I'm wrong. He's the engineer. Yes, I believe
the side strips are for stiffening. I didn't install the strips
initially and ended up adding them later when I started getting little
annoying cracks.
I used Hans' method for attaching the cowl, similar to what Mike Cuy
posted: little aluminum tabs cut out of 90 degree angle. Attached them
through the firewall into the fuselage structure with wood screws.
Attached the cowl to the tabs using clip nuts. I routinely checked the
security of the wood screws and they would get loose occasionally. I'd
put a dab of JB Weld in the hole to help secure them.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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nbsp; -Matt
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
What dimensions? I don't see any.
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
Right. What John said.
Chuck - You'll get your dimensions from your particular installation, once you
have the engine mounted.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
Chuck,=0A-=0AMy installation does not use a 5th bearing and I do not know
if-a 5th bearing design changes any of the Engine dimensions.=0AHowever
-each installation is different, motor mount might be longer or shorter,
and you will have to make the required schanges as needed for your installa
tion.=0A-=0AHans=0ANX15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A =0A=0A_________________________
_______=0A From: C N Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-l
ist@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:39 PM=0ASubject: Re:
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl=0A =0A=0A =0AHans , I have a question ab
out the cowling.- I =0Ahave a 5th bearing on the front of my engine.- W
ould I need to modify the =0Adimentions of your cowl to use with the 5th be
aring?- Chuck =0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: Hans van der Vo
ort =0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Thursday, March 07, 20
13 12:02 PM =0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl =0A>=0A>
=0A>No correction needed, thats what they are for. =0A>I recommend stainles
s steel wood screws with a dap of epoxy to prevent loosening and to seal t
he wood. =0A>Check at every annual. =0A>- =0A>Hans =0A>- =0A>NX 15KV
=0A>Waller, TX =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>From: k
evinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
=0A>Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:39 AM=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re:
Corvair cowl=0A>=0A>--> Pietenpol-List =0A message posted by: "kevinpurte
e" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>=0A>=0A>Hans =0A can correct me if I'm wrong.
- He's the engineer.- Yes, I believe the =0A side strips are for stiff
ening.- I didn't install the strips initially =0A and ended up adding th
em later when I started getting little annoying cracks. =0A>=0A>I used Hans
' method for attaching the cowl, similar to what Mike Cuy =0A posted: litt
le aluminum tabs cut out of 90 degree angle.- Attached them =0A through
the firewall into the fuselage structure with wood screws.- =0A Attached
the cowl to the tabs using clip nuts.- I routinely checked the =0A secu
rity of the wood screws and they would get loose occasionally.- I'd =0A
put a dab of JB Weld in the hole to help secure them.=0A>=0A>--------=0A>Ke
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| Subject: | Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim |
Mine also has a natural gap there that needs to be filled with plywood. The
gap is formed because the "spar" in the horizontal stab is thicker than th
e leading edge. It is REQUIRED.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:17 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim
Hi Steve,
The horizontal stabilizer on my Piet has a gap at the front also and I was
planning on adding a shim of plywood there to help make the front of the st
abilizer less able to be vibrating up and down at that point.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Steve Dortch's actual question was...... |
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil<mailto:steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>>
The bird I bought had a "shim" of plywood inserted under the front of the h
orizontal stabilizer. I have discussed this with John K and we are both inc
lined to leave it out and see what the initial test runs inidcate.
Steve-- My guess is that since the front end of your stabilizer was shimmed
up a bit that it was to correct a tail-heavy hands-off flight situation by
deflecting
the air slightly down and thus raising the tail. I would compare your we
ight with the weight of the gentleman who flew the plane last and if compar
able I
would leave the shim under the front of the stabilizer. If you leave the
shim out you may have to hold forward stick in level flight.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Steve Dortch's actual question was...... |
Steve-- My guess is that since the front end of your stabilizer was shimmed
up a bit that it was to correct a tail-heavy hands-off flight situation by
deflecting
the air slightly down and thus raising the tail.=C2-
Hi Dan and Mike,
Mike I hadn't thought of that but you could definitely be right; Piets tend
to be tail heavy.
I think Dan and I were both responding due to differences in thickness of s
tab spar versus leading edge that you needed to shim up the leading edge.
Thanks for the additional information; Shouldn't leap at first conclusions.
Thanks,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim |
When all else fails, refer to the plans...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395854#395854
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| Subject: | to shim or not to shim, that is the question... |
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| Subject: | Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim |
Now Bill......don't go confusing us with the facts...... :) !
Great post.
Mike C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 4:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim
--> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
When all else fails, refer to the plans...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395854#395854
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
OK, Hans. Thanks, I wasn't thinking about the possible difference in
the engine mount length. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans van der Voort
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl
Chuck,
My installation does not use a 5th bearing and I do not know if a 5th
bearing design changes any of the Engine dimensions.
However each installation is different, motor mount might be longer or
shorter, and you will have to make the required schanges as needed for
your installation.
Hans
NX15KV
Waller, TX
From: C N Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl
Hans , I have a question about the cowling. I have a 5th bearing on
the front of my engine. Would I need to modify the dimentions of your
cowl to use with the 5th bearing? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans van der Voort
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl
No correction needed, thats what they are for.
I recommend stainless steel wood screws with a dap of epoxy to
prevent loosening and to seal the wood.
Check at every annual.
Hans
NX 15KV
Waller, TX
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Hans can correct me if I'm wrong. He's the engineer. Yes, I
believe the side strips are for stiffening. I didn't install the strips
initially and ended up adding them later when I started getting little
annoying cracks.
I used Hans' method for attaching the cowl, similar to what Mike Cuy
posted: little aluminum tabs cut out of 90 degree angle. Attached them
through the firewall into the fuselage structure with wood screws.
Attached the cowl to the tabs using clip nuts. I routinely checked the
security of the wood screws and they would get loose occasionally. I'd
put a dab of JB Weld in the hole to help secure them.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim |
Ah com'on Bill; I'm at work and don't have the plans here. I am sure I would have
seen that comment on the plans!
A good thing you do read them for the rest of us.
thanks,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim |
I guess I've looked at those plans at least a hundred times and hadn't
seen that note before. Ditto what Jim said. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Boyer
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim
Ah com'on Bill; I'm at work and don't have the plans here. I am sure I
would have seen that comment on the plans!
A good thing you do read them for the rest of us.
thanks,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim |
I must (sheepishly) also admit that I never saw that comment on the plans e
ither. But that being said, in G.R.'s absence, I will remind you all, that
I was correct. It is REQUIRED.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: C N Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Sent: Thu, Mar 7, 2013 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim
I guess I've looked at those plans at least a hundred times and hadn't seen
that note before. Ditto what Jim said. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Boyer
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim
Ah com'on Bill; I'm at work and don't have the plans here. I am sure I wo
uld have seen that comment on the plans!
A good thing you do read them for the rest of us.
thanks,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Sky Scout fuselage |
I have a young friend who is building a Ford powered Sky Scout along
with his father. I was asked a question by them the other night that I
can't answer. The plans in the 1933 Flying and Glider annual list one
fuselage length and the plans from the Pietenpol family lists another.
They were wondering what the correct length is. I know the reasons for
the different fuselage lengths on the Air Camper but I don't know what
everyone is using on the Sky Scout. Is the longer fuselage for the
lighter Continental powered ships? I think the shorter fuselage was for
the Ford powered ship, but I could be wrong.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Sky Scout fuselage |
On 3/7/2013 9:22 PM, Rick Schreiber wrote:
> <lmforge@earthlink.net>
>
> I have a young friend who is building a Ford powered Sky Scout along
> with his father. I was asked a question by them the other night that I
> can't answer. The plans in the 1933 Flying and Glider annual list one
> fuselage length and the plans from the Pietenpol family lists another.
> They were wondering what the correct length is. I know the reasons for
> the different fuselage lengths on the Air Camper but I don't know what
> everyone is using on the Sky Scout. Is the longer fuselage for the
> lighter Continental powered ships? I think the shorter fuselage was
> for the Ford powered ship, but I could be wrong.
>
> Rick Schreiber
> Valparaiso, IN
>
>
I should proof read before I send!!! Long fuselage for heavy Ford
engine, short length for lighter engines.
Rick S
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