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1. 04:42 AM - Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs (Jack Phillips)
2. 04:52 AM - Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs (jarheadpilot82)
3. 05:21 AM - Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs (Mario Giacummo)
4. 05:31 AM - Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 05:48 AM - Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs (giacummo)
6. 05:51 AM - Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs (giacummo)
7. 06:56 AM - Off-topic but related (helspersew@aol.com)
8. 07:07 AM - Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs (Michael Perez)
9. 07:07 AM - Re: Off-topic but related (Gary Boothe)
10. 07:09 AM - Re: Off-topic but related (Michael Perez)
11. 07:40 AM - Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs (Jack)
12. 07:53 AM - Re: Off-topic but related (airlion2@gmail.com)
13. 07:59 AM - Re: Off-topic but related (Rick Schreiber)
14. 08:27 AM - Re: Off-topic but related (Hans van der Voort)
15. 08:30 AM - Re: corvair cowl (Hans van der Voort)
16. 09:13 AM - Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs (dgaldrich)
17. 11:35 AM - Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs (John Francis)
18. 12:03 PM - Re: Off-topic but related (Jerry Dotson)
19. 01:56 PM - Re: Re: Off-topic but related (airlion2@gmail.com)
20. 05:25 PM - Re: Off-topic but related (tools)
21. 09:16 PM - Re: corvair cowl (Chris)
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| Subject: | Almost Finished With Wing Ribs |
Terry, I didn't glue my ribs to the spar at all. They are nailed through
the capstrip but not glued. It is useful to be able to slide them slightly
left or right to help clear the drag and anti-drag wires, and it is best to
not have them free to move slightly for trammeling the wing. Once the rib
lacing is in place they cannot move anyway.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 6:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
A quick question as I am currently working on rib #20 and expect to be
finished with wing ribs in the next couple of weeks.
Instead of moving on to the wing spar, I plan on working on the tail
feathers next as I have the wood (thanks again to Dave Aldrich) for that. It
may be a while before I do the spars and attach the ribs. I know that I need
to seal the wood at some point, and I thought I had read it was better to
attach to the spar and then seal the wood so as to have a good glue seal
between the ribs and the spar.
So my question is this - can I/should I seal the ribs, but not where the
wood attaches to the spar, or just not worry about it for now? If I leave
them unsealed, should I leave them in the house, as opposed to the unheated
uncooled workshop?
Thanks in advance for the answers.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs |
Thanks, Jack(s). [Laughing]
Both comments help a lot, and that is what I like best about the forum. Solid,
logical advice based upon experience. Thanks again.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs |
Hi,
About gluing the ribs to the spars... I've glued them all, but I ask, It is
common to leave them "free"?.. In the leading and trailng edge they have to
be glued, so....why not glue them over/down the spars? once they are glued
to the edges, you can not move them to anywhere.
mario
Mario Giacummo
. -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- /
...- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - .
2013/3/12 Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
> jack@bedfordlandings.com>
>
> Terry, I didn't glue my ribs to the spar at all. They are nailed through
> the capstrip but not glued. It is useful to be able to slide them slightly
> left or right to help clear the drag and anti-drag wires, and it is best to
> not have them free to move slightly for trammeling the wing. Once the rib
> lacing is in place they cannot move anyway.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> jarheadpilot82
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 6:31 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs
>
> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> A quick question as I am currently working on rib #20 and expect to be
> finished with wing ribs in the next couple of weeks.
>
> Instead of moving on to the wing spar, I plan on working on the tail
> feathers next as I have the wood (thanks again to Dave Aldrich) for that.
> It
> may be a while before I do the spars and attach the ribs. I know that I
> need
> to seal the wood at some point, and I thought I had read it was better to
> attach to the spar and then seal the wood so as to have a good glue seal
> between the ribs and the spar.
>
> So my question is this - can I/should I seal the ribs, but not where the
> wood attaches to the spar, or just not worry about it for now? If I leave
> them unsealed, should I leave them in the house, as opposed to the unheated
> uncooled workshop?
>
> Thanks in advance for the answers.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs |
Mario,
I glued mine. I guess it is not necessary but it made me "feel" better.
Dan Hesper
Puryear, TN
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From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 12, 2013 7:21 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs
Hi,
About gluing the ribs to the spars... I've glued them all, but I ask, It is
common to leave them "free"?.. In the leading and trailng edge they have t
o be glued, so....why not glue them over/down the spars? once they are glue
d to the edges, you can not move them to anywhere.
mario
Mario Giacummo
. -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- / ...
- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - .
2013/3/12 Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
.com>
Terry, I didn't glue my ribs to the spar at all. They are nailed through
the capstrip but not glued. It is useful to be able to slide them slightly
left or right to help clear the drag and anti-drag wires, and it is best to
not have them free to move slightly for trammeling the wing. Once the rib
lacing is in place they cannot move anyway.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 6:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
A quick question as I am currently working on rib #20 and expect to be
finished with wing ribs in the next couple of weeks.
Instead of moving on to the wing spar, I plan on working on the tail
feathers next as I have the wood (thanks again to Dave Aldrich) for that. I
t
may be a while before I do the spars and attach the ribs. I know that I nee
d
to seal the wood at some point, and I thought I had read it was better to
attach to the spar and then seal the wood so as to have a good glue seal
between the ribs and the spar.
So my question is this - can I/should I seal the ribs, but not where the
wood attaches to the spar, or just not worry about it for now? If I leave
them unsealed, should I leave them in the house, as opposed to the unheated
uncooled workshop?
Thanks in advance for the answers.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs |
Me too
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Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs |
You have to cover your plane with something transparent like mylar...
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Hi Guys,
Does anyone know if waterproof glue will stick to pressure-treated construc
tion wood? This will be outside all the time. Fence components that will be
nailed together and if I can get glue to stick it will keep them from twis
ting nine ways to Sunday.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs |
Terry, it is best to do all of your epoxy to bare, clean, unsealed wood.-
The ribs will be fine unsealed as long as they are not outside in the elem
ents. (as mentioned)-
Some other thoughts:
I have epoxied- wood pieces, mostly plywood, over sealed wood and was sur
prised how strong it was. (non aircraft projects)- I epoxied my ribs to t
he spars, but if it is OK not to epoxy the ribs to the spars, ( you could n
ail or leave free)- you could seal the ribs now, epoxy to the spars later
, (over the varnish) and that would hold them in place long enough for wing
assembly.
Michael Perez
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Use construction adhesive in 24oz tubes.
Gary
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On Mar 12, 2013, at 6:56 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Does anyone know if waterproof glue will stick to pressure-treated constru
ction wood? This will be outside all the time. Fence components that will be
nailed together and if I can get glue to stick it will keep them from twist
ing nine ways to Sunday.
>
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
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I am no expert, but I was under the impression glues/adhesives did not work well
with treated lumber.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs |
Mine are glued Mario
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 12, 2013, at 7:20 AM, Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo@gmail.com> wrote
:
> Hi,
>
> About gluing the ribs to the spars... I've glued them all, but I ask, It i
s common to leave them "free"?.. In the leading and trailng edge they have t
o be glued, so....why not glue them over/down the spars? once they are glued
to the edges, you can not move them to anywhere.
>
> mario
>
> Mario Giacummo
> . -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- / ..
.- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - .
>
>
> 2013/3/12 Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
s.com>
>
> Terry, I didn't glue my ribs to the spar at all. They are nailed through
> the capstrip but not glued. It is useful to be able to slide them slightl
y
> left or right to help clear the drag and anti-drag wires, and it is best t
o
> not have them free to move slightly for trammeling the wing. Once the rib
> lacing is in place they cannot move anyway.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> jarheadpilot82
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 6:31 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs
>
> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> A quick question as I am currently working on rib #20 and expect to be
> finished with wing ribs in the next couple of weeks.
>
> Instead of moving on to the wing spar, I plan on working on the tail
> feathers next as I have the wood (thanks again to Dave Aldrich) for that. I
t
> may be a while before I do the spars and attach the ribs. I know that I ne
ed
> to seal the wood at some point, and I thought I had read it was better to
> attach to the spar and then seal the wood so as to have a good glue seal
> between the ribs and the spar.
>
> So my question is this - can I/should I seal the ribs, but not where the
> wood attaches to the spar, or just not worry about it for now? If I leave
> them unsealed, should I leave them in the house, as opposed to the unheate
d
> uncooled workshop?
>
> Thanks in advance for the answers.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
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>
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Use deck screws Dan . That will keep the wood from twisting. That is what ai
m doing right now. gardiner
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On Mar 12, 2013, at 9:56 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Does anyone know if waterproof glue will stick to pressure-treated constru
ction wood? This will be outside all the time. Fence components that will be
nailed together and if I can get glue to stick it will keep them from twist
ing nine ways to Sunday.
>
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
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On 3/12/2013 8:56 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> Does anyone know if waterproof glue will stick to pressure-treated
> construction wood? This will be outside all the time. Fence components
> that will be nailed together and if I can get glue to stick it will
> keep them from twisting nine ways to Sunday.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
Dan,
As Gary said use the construction adhesive in tubes. Check the info on
the tube as there is some that is made specially for pressure treated
lumber.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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I used the left over T 88 to build a small garden bridge out of pressure tr
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Joe,=0A-=0AThe drawing was available on Mykitplane.com, but I noticed tha
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| Subject: | Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs |
Hi Terry
I made a "dunk tank" out of a 1 ft x 6 ft spare piece of MDF and some 2 inch side
rails and did the full immersion baptism of the ribs. Used thinned spar varnish
and did it twice, looking for penetration and not beauty.
The benefit of doing it before storage is that they are sealed and more or less
immune to any affects that the environment might have. Of course I'VE never
spilled anything accidentally or had mice nest someplace they shouldn't...
Ref the attachment to spar discussion -- I tend to take the nails/Jack Phillips
side rather than glue for one reason. If you ever have to rebuild a wing (like
Axel, Jack, Douwe, and Gardiner), it's easier to disassemble nails than glue.
Now if you used a relatively weak glue that would hold things in place until
after rib stitching but could be broken without damage to the ribs or spar,
that would work too.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Almost Finished With Wing Ribs |
Terry,
They will be fine if just kept indoors and dry. It would be difficult to not
varnish the areas that you will apply glue later. It's not just the area that
is attached to the spars but what about the trailing and leading edges? Or the
plywood on the leading edge? And how about all the cutting and gluing required
when the ailerons are built and cut out. It is just too complicated and
not worth the effort in my opinion.
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TiteBond 3 will do it if the wood is fairly dry. A lot of the treated wood we get
here has water/chemical literally dripping off it. Separate the wood it so
it can dry first.
worth what it cost ya.............
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Flying in phase 2
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Jerry, are you going to Brodhead this year? gardiner mason
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On Mar 12, 2013, at 3:03 PM, "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net> wrote:
>
> TiteBond 3 will do it if the wood is fairly dry. A lot of the treated wood we
get here has water/chemical literally dripping off it. Separate the wood it so
it can dry first.
>
> worth what it cost ya.............
>
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>
> First flight June 16,2012
> Flying in phase 2
> Lycoming O-235 C2C
> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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If the wood is dry enough, the glue will do as well as it can...
By that I mean, wood outside, not REALLY well sealed, will move seasonally as much
as wood can. If any of these fence components are attached at right angles
(and likely they are), the joints WILL fail, regardless of how well the glue
takes hold. Even indoors, it's inevitable, reference dowel joints. Just as
sure as nails will eventually back themselves out.
I've repaired LOTS of chairs made with dowel joinery. The nature of the joint
makes sure that is going to happen, unless it's kept at a very steady humidity
level.
You are better off with deck screws as mentioned.
If the wood grain is aligned, it's hit or miss. If you have edges of boards glued
up that are all similar in grain orientation, they might survive. If you
have quartersawn glued to flat sawn (for example), you have differential expansion
rates, and the joint will fail.
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Hans, Joe
I think I have a copy of the drawing. See Attached.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans van der
Voort
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair cowl
Joe,
The drawing was available on Mykitplane.com, but I noticed that
ww.Mykitplane.com is no longer operational.
I will dig up the orginal file and send you a copy.
Thanks
Hans
NX15KV
Waller, TX
From: JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 6:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: corvair cowl
Hans,
I really liked the look of the cowl. Do you have a drawing with dimensions
available? I looks cleaner than most I have seen.
Thanks
Joe Swithin
Morris, IL
Hunting & Gathering Mode
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