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1. 07:19 AM - Project update (santiago morete)
2. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. (Michael Perez)
3. 08:26 AM - update on the top curmudegon (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
4. 08:59 AM - Re: update on the top curmudegon (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
5. 09:26 AM - Re: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. (helspersew@aol.com)
6. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. (Jack)
7. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. (Wayne Bressler)
8. 10:40 AM - chroming exhaust pipes. (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
9. 11:54 AM - Re: update on the top curmudegon (Don Emch)
10. 01:57 PM - microphone (Gardiner)
11. 02:48 PM - Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. (nightmare)
12. 03:07 PM - First Flight (DandD Boyd)
13. 03:35 PM - Re: microphone (taildrags)
14. 03:38 PM - Re: First Flight (Rick Schreiber)
15. 03:52 PM - Re: First Flight (helspersew@aol.com)
16. 03:55 PM - Re: microphone (gliderx5@comcast.net)
17. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: microphone (Max Hegler)
18. 04:15 PM - Re: First Flight (gboothe5@comcast.net)
19. 04:21 PM - Re: First Flight (Jim Boyer)
20. 05:05 PM - Re: microphone (Gardiner)
21. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: microphone (Gardiner)
22. 05:41 PM - Any piets in Montreal? (shad bell)
23. 05:53 PM - Re: First Flight (Jack)
24. 07:05 PM - Re: First Flight (Jack Phillips)
25. 07:35 PM - Re: First Flight (Ray Krause)
26. 07:54 PM - Re: First Flight (John Woods)
27. 08:13 PM - Re: First Flight (aerocarjake)
28. 08:21 PM - microphone (Oscar Zuniga)
29. 10:00 PM - West Coast Pietenpol Gathering 2013 (Michael Groah)
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Hi Dan, Howard Henderson generously sent me the plans along with a wonderfu
l article wrote by Grant MacLaren, that was about five years ago. He wasn't
selling the plans anymore at the time, maybe if you can get Mr Henderson's
or MacLaren's permission, I can make a copy and send it for free.=0ASaludo
s=0A=0ASantiago
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| Subject: | Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. |
Jet Hot coated my headers on my car back in 1996ish and they look today lik
e they did then...perfect.- Of course, the headers are mild steel and not
stainless.- I plan on using SS for my plane exhaust with no coating. I a
m not sure coating SS would do much good. Coating mild steel is a great ide
a.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | update on the top curmudegon |
For those of you who know Larry Williams-of possible interest. From his F
B page.
* Lawrence V. Williams<https://www.facebook.com/lawrence.v.williams
.1>
Everyone can relax now. It was only a little heart attack (?) with minimal
damage and the prog is for mending to continue to nearly 100%. Thankful and
lucky for fast-acting friends and small miracles along the way. Planning o
n going back home early next week for R&R.
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| Subject: | Re: update on the top curmudegon |
We are all praying for you T.C.
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. |
I had my 4130 steel exhaust stacks chrome plated. I was told later that thi
s is a no-no and it will crack. Can't remember the exact reasoning now. Ple
ase chime-in and refresh my memory if anybody knows. So far they are OK wit
h maybe 60-70 hours.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:39 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold.
Jet Hot coated my headers on my car back in 1996ish and they look today lik
e they did then...perfect. Of course, the headers are mild steel and not s
tainless. I plan on using SS for my plane exhaust with no coating. I am no
t sure coating SS would do much good. Coating mild steel is a great idea.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. |
Wow Dan that's dangerous. I will give you $15 for them if you pay for shippi
ng...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Mar 18, 2013, at 11:24 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> I had my 4130 steel exhaust stacks chrome plated. I was told later that th
is is a no-no and it will crack. Can't remember the exact reasoning now. Ple
ase chime-in and refresh my memory if anybody knows. So far they are OK with
maybe 60-70 hours.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:39 am
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold.
>
> Jet Hot coated my headers on my car back in 1996ish and they look today li
ke they did then...perfect. Of course, the headers are mild steel and not s
tainless. I plan on using SS for my plane exhaust with no coating. I am not
sure coating SS would do much good. Coating mild steel is a great idea.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. |
Dan,
This is from the National Metal Finishing Resource Center (http://www.nmfrc.
org/crarchive/apr09c.cfm)
The general synopsis is that hydrogen embrittlement is possible, but the ill
effects (reduction of ductility) can be minimized by heating following the a
pplication of chrome.
"Hydrogen Embrittlement of Decorative Chrome on Chromoly
Q. Is hydrogen embrittlement still a concern if 4130 chromoly steel is coppe
r plated then nickle plated, then chrome plated? I'm building a helicopter a
nd I want the steel to look nice without compromising it's strength. My part
s are sitting at the plating shop but I'm having second thoughts...
A. I'm not qualified to advise you about your subject parts and a multi-coat
ing of copper-nickel-chrome on aircraft parts, but I can tell you what is co
nsidered standard practice when it comes to the subject of hydrogen embrittl
ement.
One of the most important properties of metals is ductility. This is defined
as the ability of the metal to deform under stress. Hydrogen embrittlement c
an cause metals to become brittle and inhibit its ability to deform or stret
ch. Baking after plating is a method of driving out the hydrogen and stress r
elieving the metal.
Just as important as knowing the type of metal alloy (in your case 4130), is
to know the hardness of that material and the "tensile strength". These val
ues are necessary in order to establish the need for baking and if so, for h
ow long and what temperature.
Hardness is defined as the hardness value of the metal as obtained by a heat
treatment, presumably based on a hardness test value in Rockwell, Vickers, K
noop or Brinnel. "
Tensile strength" in thousands of pounds per square inch is usually determin
ed by sustained load testing of parts or samples made from the same material
or heat treat lot and that of the actual aircraft parts. Tensile strength d
irectly correlates to part hardness.
Once you have confirmed the type, hardness and tensile strength of your comp
onents, you can determine if a bake is required after plating to remove hydr
ogen and therefore reduce the affects of hydrogen embrittlement
General rule of thumb is to bake within 2 hours of removal from plating tank
, in a certified oven, temperature range 375 - 400 degrees Fahrenheit, bake c
ycle times that range between 3 and 24 hours, depending on the "heat treatme
nt" or "tensile strength" of the part(s). Charts are available.
If metal parts are below 180 KSI (180,000 PSI) tensile strength or a hardnes
s of 40 Rockwell "C" or less, baking after plating isn't required.
The aforementioned information is based on metal plating on ferrous alloys. I
t doesn't take into account the potential for added complications using mult
i coatings of copper, nickel then chrome, or the affects of hydrogen embritt
lement and "decorative" metal finishing."
Wayne Bressler
Taildraggers, Inc.
www.taildraggersinc.com
On Mar 18, 2013, at 12:24 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> I had my 4130 steel exhaust stacks chrome plated. I was told later that th
is is a no-no and it will crack. Can't remember the exact reasoning now. Ple
ase chime-in and refresh my memory if anybody knows. So far they are OK with
maybe 60-70 hours.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:39 am
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold.
>
> Jet Hot coated my headers on my car back in 1996ish and they look today li
ke they did then...perfect. Of course, the headers are mild steel and not s
tainless. I plan on using SS for my plane exhaust with no coating. I am not
sure coating SS would do much good. Coating mild steel is a great idea.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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| Subject: | chroming exhaust pipes. |
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| Subject: | Re: update on the top curmudegon |
The Top Curmudeon is an amazingly positive guy that I am very privileged to know.
I look forward to seeing him at Brodhead this year!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Hi all. I am having trouble transmitting out. My headset has a mike
with a foam muff and while flying I can barely hear myself talk.
Needless to say, no one else can hear me either. My reception is
excellent though. See ya'll in Brodhead if I can transmit the Airlion up
thataway. Cheers, Gardiner
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| Subject: | Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. |
Im sure its fine Dan. After all , thats how it was done in 1929 right? Lol
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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I have recently flown my Piet for the first time. This forum has been a
huge help in the building process. Thank you to all. I also attended many
Brodhead functions over the past 13 years and gotten lots of tips. To see
the video of the flight go to www.Vimeo.com and put "Boyd First Flight" in
the search engine.
Hope to be at Brodhead this year. I will be at the Frasca (C16) fly- in
June 15th.
Dave Boyd
Champaign, IL
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Gardiner;
Someone posted a description of an effective noise muffler for their mic that they
made out of an empty film canister with a small hole in it. I'll search the
archives for it unless someone else on the list remembers this and can turn
it up.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
On 3/18/2013 5:07 PM, DandD Boyd wrote:
> I have recently flown my Piet for the first time. This forum has been
> a huge help in the building process. Thank you to all. I also
> attended many Brodhead functions over the past 13 years and gotten
> lots of tips. To see the video of the flight go to www.Vimeo.com
> <http://www.Vimeo.com> and put "Boyd First Flight" in the search engine.
> Hope to be at Brodhead this year. I will be at the Frasca (C16) fly-
> in June 15th.
> Dave Boyd
> Champaign, IL
> *
> *
Congratulations Dave! Very exciting and pretty too.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Congratulations Dave! Looks mighty good! Was that at Champaign IL?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: DandD Boyd <dndboyd2@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:08 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
I have recently flown my Piet for the first time. This forum has been a hug
e help in the building process. Thank you to all. I also attended many Br
odhead functions over the past 13 years and gotten lots of tips. To see the
video of the flight go to www.Vimeo.com and put "Boyd First Flight" in the
search engine.
Hope to be at Brodhead this year. I will be at the Frasca (C16) fly- in Ju
ne 15th.
Dave Boyd
Champaign, IL
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Gardiner
Are you using a hand held? The Icom A6 has issues without remote PTT.
Malcolm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gardiner" <airlion2@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 4:55:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: microphone
Hi all. I am having trouble transmitting out. My headset has a mike
with a foam muff and while flying I can barely hear myself talk.
Needless to say, no one else can hear me either. My reception is
excellent though. See ya'll in Brodhead if I can transmit the Airlion up
thataway. Cheers, Gardiner
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Film canister? What's that? =3B)
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: microphone
> From: taildrags@hotmail.com
> Date: Mon=2C 18 Mar 2013 15:35:17 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Gardiner=3B
>
> Someone posted a description of an effective noise muffler for their mic
that they made out of an empty film canister with a small hole in it. I'll
search the archives for it unless someone else on the list remembers this
and can turn it up.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford=2C OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "=3BScout"=3B
> A75 power
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Nice video, Dave! Congratulations!!
Gary
NX308MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "DandD Boyd" <dndboyd2@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 3:07:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
I have recently flown my Piet for the first time. This forum has been a huge help in the building process. Thank you to all. I also attended many Brodhead functions over the past 13 years and gotten lots of tips. To see the video of the flight go to www.Vimeo.com and put "Boyd First Flight" in the search engine.
Hope to be at Brodhead this year. I will be at the Frasca (C16) fly- in June 15th.
Dave Boyd
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Hi Dave,
I like your blue and yellow Piet; the first flight looked great if a little on
the cool side. Congratulations Dave,
Jim B.
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*Yes I am using the ICOM A6. At first I was using the P TT pluged in. That did
not work well and now I am using the mike button on the radio.
*
*I am not satisfied with that either.*Maybe I can try making a cover for the muff
to cover my big mouth. Gardiner
On 3/18/2013 6:55 PM, gliderx5@comcast.net wrote:
> Gardiner
>
> Are you using a hand held? The Icom A6 has issues without remote PTT.
>
> Malcolm
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Gardiner" <airlion2@gmail.com>
> *To: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent: *Monday, March 18, 2013 4:55:32 PM
> *Subject: *Pietenpol-List: microphone
>
>
> Hi all. I am having trouble transmitting out. My headset has a mike
> with a foam muff and while flying I can barely hear myself talk.
> Needless to say, no one else can hear me either. My reception is
> excellent though. See ya'll in Brodhead if I can
> transmi=======================
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On 3/18/2013 7:11 PM, Max Hegler wrote:
> Film canister? What's that? ;)
>
>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: microphone
> > From: taildrags@hotmail.com
> > Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:35:17 -0700
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Gardiner;
> >
> > Someone posted a description of an effective noise muffler for their
> mic that they made out of an empty film canister with a small hole in
> it. I'll search the archives for it unless someone else on the list
> remembers this and can turn it up.
> >
> > --------
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford, OR
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> > A75 power
> >
> >
> >
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> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396536#396536
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> *maybe I can make one out of a small spice container. would like to see a pic
of it though. gardiner
>
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| Subject: | Any piets in Montreal? |
Hello gentlemen, just wondering if there are any pietenpol guys in the Montreal
Quebec area. I will be up there for work and would love to see some Canadian
Piets if I get the chance.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Dave outstanding video, nice looking ship, congratulations!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Mar 18, 2013, at 5:07 PM, DandD Boyd <dndboyd2@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have recently flown my Piet for the first time. This forum has been a hu
ge help in the building process. Thank you to all. I also attended many Br
odhead functions over the past 13 years and gotten lots of tips. To see the v
ideo of the flight go to www.Vimeo.com and put "Boyd First Flight" in the se
arch engine.
> Hope to be at Brodhead this year. I will be at the Frasca (C16) fly- in J
une 15th.
> Dave Boyd
> Champaign, IL
>
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Outstanding, Dave! It's a wonderful feeling, isn't it?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DandD Boyd
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 6:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
I have recently flown my Piet for the first time. This forum has been a huge
help in the building process. Thank you to all. I also attended many
Brodhead functions over the past 13 years and gotten lots of tips. To see
the video of the flight go to www.Vimeo.com and put "Boyd First Flight" in
the search engine.
Hope to be at Brodhead this year. I will be at the Frasca (C16) fly- in
June 15th.
Dave Boyd
Champaign, IL
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Congratulations, beautiful plan! Where are you located? Do you have more ph
otos?
Ray Krause
Building a Sky Scout
Colusa, Ca.
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On Mar 18, 2013, at 3:07 PM, DandD Boyd <dndboyd2@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have recently flown my Piet for the first time. This forum has been a hu
ge help in the building process. Thank you to all. I also attended many Br
odhead functions over the past 13 years and gotten lots of tips. To see the v
ideo of the flight go to www.Vimeo.com and put "Boyd First Flight" in the se
arch engine.
> Hope to be at Brodhead this year. I will be at the Frasca (C16) fly- in J
une 15th.
> Dave Boyd
> Champaign, IL
>
>
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Dave, Congratulations on your first flight.
Beautiful aircraft and what a perfect day to fly.
Best regards,
John Woods
Perth, Western Australia
----- "DandD Boyd" <dndboyd2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
I have recently flown my Piet for the first time. This forum has been a huge help in the building process. Thank you to all. I also attended many Brodhead functions over the past 13 years and gotten lots of tips. To see the video of the flight go to www.Vimeo.com and put "Boyd First Flight" in the search engine.
Hope to be at Brodhead this year. I will be at the Frasca (C16) fly- in June 15th.
Dave Boyd
>
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Wonderful, just absolutely wonderful....!!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396564#396564
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OK=2C here's the original post that I was thinking about. It's from Walt E
vans=2C and I wish we knew how Walt is doing these days. He sure built a p
retty Air Camper.
============Steve=2C
Got a great idea from somebody=2C and the cost is free! Get the plastic 3
5mm
film containers. Cut an "X" in the lid and slide it on the mic arm. Then
wrap some foam around the mic and slide on the 35mm can after you have
drilled a 1/4" hole in the side. Line up the hole with your mouth. Better
than sliced bread. Just keep the hole tight against your mouth to keep out
engine noise.
My engine noise keeps my intercom open=2C but makes for a pleasant ride wit
h
me as the tour guide.
walt evans
NX140DL
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | West Coast Pietenpol Gathering 2013 |
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHello....--- =0A-=0AI'm attaching the information sh
eet for our annual West Coast Pietenpol Gathering.- (It's attached in pdf
format - I also have it in word .doc format if you can't open the pdf) =0A
-=0AI really hope that you can attend this year.- I know we will have a
great time just as we have in past years and it looks like we will have so
me new planes in attendance. =0APlease RSVP-if possible-to myself or Ch
arlie Miller (our host at Frazier Lake)-so that we can get an approximate
-count for food.-=0A-=0AI'm looking forward to hearing from you and s
eeing you at Frazier Lake.- =0A-=0A-=0A-=0AMike Groah=0A414MV=0ATul
are CA
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