---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/18/13: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:19 AM - Project update (santiago morete) 2. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. (Michael Perez) 3. 08:26 AM - update on the top curmudegon (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 4. 08:59 AM - Re: update on the top curmudegon (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 5. 09:26 AM - Re: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. (helspersew@aol.com) 6. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. (Jack) 7. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. (Wayne Bressler) 8. 10:40 AM - chroming exhaust pipes. (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 9. 11:54 AM - Re: update on the top curmudegon (Don Emch) 10. 01:57 PM - microphone (Gardiner) 11. 02:48 PM - Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. (nightmare) 12. 03:07 PM - First Flight (DandD Boyd) 13. 03:35 PM - Re: microphone (taildrags) 14. 03:38 PM - Re: First Flight (Rick Schreiber) 15. 03:52 PM - Re: First Flight (helspersew@aol.com) 16. 03:55 PM - Re: microphone (gliderx5@comcast.net) 17. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: microphone (Max Hegler) 18. 04:15 PM - Re: First Flight (gboothe5@comcast.net) 19. 04:21 PM - Re: First Flight (Jim Boyer) 20. 05:05 PM - Re: microphone (Gardiner) 21. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: microphone (Gardiner) 22. 05:41 PM - Any piets in Montreal? (shad bell) 23. 05:53 PM - Re: First Flight (Jack) 24. 07:05 PM - Re: First Flight (Jack Phillips) 25. 07:35 PM - Re: First Flight (Ray Krause) 26. 07:54 PM - Re: First Flight (John Woods) 27. 08:13 PM - Re: First Flight (aerocarjake) 28. 08:21 PM - microphone (Oscar Zuniga) 29. 10:00 PM - West Coast Pietenpol Gathering 2013 (Michael Groah) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:32 AM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: Project update Hi Dan, Howard Henderson generously sent me the plans along with a wonderfu l article wrote by Grant MacLaren, that was about five years ago. He wasn't selling the plans anymore at the time, maybe if you can get Mr Henderson's or MacLaren's permission, I can make a copy and send it for free.=0ASaludo s=0A=0ASantiago ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:37 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. Jet Hot coated my headers on my car back in 1996ish and they look today lik e they did then...perfect.- Of course, the headers are mild steel and not stainless.- I plan on using SS for my plane exhaust with no coating. I a m not sure coating SS would do much good. Coating mild steel is a great ide a. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:03 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: update on the top curmudegon For those of you who know Larry Williams-of possible interest. From his F B page. * Lawrence V. Williams Everyone can relax now. It was only a little heart attack (?) with minimal damage and the prog is for mending to continue to nearly 100%. Thankful and lucky for fast-acting friends and small miracles along the way. Planning o n going back home early next week for R&R. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: update on the top curmudegon From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" We are all praying for you T.C. -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396484#396484 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. From: helspersew@aol.com I had my 4130 steel exhaust stacks chrome plated. I was told later that thi s is a no-no and it will crack. Can't remember the exact reasoning now. Ple ase chime-in and refresh my memory if anybody knows. So far they are OK wit h maybe 60-70 hours. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:39 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. Jet Hot coated my headers on my car back in 1996ish and they look today lik e they did then...perfect. Of course, the headers are mild steel and not s tainless. I plan on using SS for my plane exhaust with no coating. I am no t sure coating SS would do much good. Coating mild steel is a great idea. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. From: Jack Wow Dan that's dangerous. I will give you $15 for them if you pay for shippi ng... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Mar 18, 2013, at 11:24 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > I had my 4130 steel exhaust stacks chrome plated. I was told later that th is is a no-no and it will crack. Can't remember the exact reasoning now. Ple ase chime-in and refresh my memory if anybody knows. So far they are OK with maybe 60-70 hours. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Perez > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:39 am > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. > > Jet Hot coated my headers on my car back in 1996ish and they look today li ke they did then...perfect. Of course, the headers are mild steel and not s tainless. I plan on using SS for my plane exhaust with no coating. I am not sure coating SS would do much good. Coating mild steel is a great idea. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. From: Wayne Bressler Dan, This is from the National Metal Finishing Resource Center (http://www.nmfrc. org/crarchive/apr09c.cfm) The general synopsis is that hydrogen embrittlement is possible, but the ill effects (reduction of ductility) can be minimized by heating following the a pplication of chrome. "Hydrogen Embrittlement of Decorative Chrome on Chromoly Q. Is hydrogen embrittlement still a concern if 4130 chromoly steel is coppe r plated then nickle plated, then chrome plated? I'm building a helicopter a nd I want the steel to look nice without compromising it's strength. My part s are sitting at the plating shop but I'm having second thoughts... A. I'm not qualified to advise you about your subject parts and a multi-coat ing of copper-nickel-chrome on aircraft parts, but I can tell you what is co nsidered standard practice when it comes to the subject of hydrogen embrittl ement. One of the most important properties of metals is ductility. This is defined as the ability of the metal to deform under stress. Hydrogen embrittlement c an cause metals to become brittle and inhibit its ability to deform or stret ch. Baking after plating is a method of driving out the hydrogen and stress r elieving the metal. Just as important as knowing the type of metal alloy (in your case 4130), is to know the hardness of that material and the "tensile strength". These val ues are necessary in order to establish the need for baking and if so, for h ow long and what temperature. Hardness is defined as the hardness value of the metal as obtained by a heat treatment, presumably based on a hardness test value in Rockwell, Vickers, K noop or Brinnel. " Tensile strength" in thousands of pounds per square inch is usually determin ed by sustained load testing of parts or samples made from the same material or heat treat lot and that of the actual aircraft parts. Tensile strength d irectly correlates to part hardness. Once you have confirmed the type, hardness and tensile strength of your comp onents, you can determine if a bake is required after plating to remove hydr ogen and therefore reduce the affects of hydrogen embrittlement General rule of thumb is to bake within 2 hours of removal from plating tank , in a certified oven, temperature range 375 - 400 degrees Fahrenheit, bake c ycle times that range between 3 and 24 hours, depending on the "heat treatme nt" or "tensile strength" of the part(s). Charts are available. If metal parts are below 180 KSI (180,000 PSI) tensile strength or a hardnes s of 40 Rockwell "C" or less, baking after plating isn't required. The aforementioned information is based on metal plating on ferrous alloys. I t doesn't take into account the potential for added complications using mult i coatings of copper, nickel then chrome, or the affects of hydrogen embritt lement and "decorative" metal finishing." Wayne Bressler Taildraggers, Inc. www.taildraggersinc.com On Mar 18, 2013, at 12:24 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > I had my 4130 steel exhaust stacks chrome plated. I was told later that th is is a no-no and it will crack. Can't remember the exact reasoning now. Ple ase chime-in and refresh my memory if anybody knows. So far they are OK with maybe 60-70 hours. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Perez > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:39 am > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. > > Jet Hot coated my headers on my car back in 1996ish and they look today li ke they did then...perfect. Of course, the headers are mild steel and not s tainless. I plan on using SS for my plane exhaust with no coating. I am not sure coating SS would do much good. Coating mild steel is a great idea. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:51 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: chroming exhaust pipes. SGkgRGFu4oCUSSB3b3VsZG7igJl0IHdvcnJ5IGl0LiAgIEkgZmxldyBteSBDb3JieSBTdGFybGV0 IGZvciBmb3VyIHllYXJzIGFmdGVyIGhhdmluZyB0aGUgbWlsZC1zdGVlbCBzdGFja3MNCmNocm9t ZWQgYW5kIG5ldmVyIHNhdyBhbnkgY3JhY2tpbmcuICAgIFlvdSBzaG91bGQgYXNrIGEgaG90IHJv ZCBmb3J1bSBvciBIYXJsZXkgZ3V5cyB3aXRoIGNocm9tZWQNCnBpcGVzIGhvdyBtYW55IGhhdmUg Y3JhY2tlZCBhbmQgZmFsbGVuIG9mZi4gIFByb2JhYmx5IGZldyB3b3VsZCBiZSBteSBndWVzcy4N Cg0KSSBjb3VsZCBqdXN0IGhlYXIgb25lIEhhcmxleSBndXkgdGVsbGluZyBhbm90aGVyIOKAnHll cOKApmRvbuKAmXQgZG8gaXQgQWzigKYuZG9u4oCZdCBjaHJvbWUgdGhlbSBwaXBlcyBidWRkeeKA puKAnQ0KDQpJIGFsc28gaGF2ZSBhbiBhbHVtaW51bSBoZWF0IG11ZmYgY2hyb21lZCBvbiBteSBB LTY1IGFuZCB0aGVyZSBpc27igJl0IG9uZSBjcmFjayBpbiB0aGF0IGVpdGhlci4gKGNvdXJzZQ0K eW91ciBxdWVzdGlvbiB3YXMgb24gc3RlZWwgbm90IGFsdW1pbnVtKQ0KDQpNaWtlIEMuDQoNCltj aWQ6aW1hZ2UwMDEuanBnQDAxQ0UyM0RFLjEyRTZDQUIwXQ0K ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: update on the top curmudegon From: "Don Emch" The Top Curmudeon is an amazingly positive guy that I am very privileged to know. I look forward to seeing him at Brodhead this year! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396504#396504 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:18 PM PST US From: Gardiner Subject: Pietenpol-List: microphone Hi all. I am having trouble transmitting out. My headset has a mike with a foam muff and while flying I can barely hear myself talk. Needless to say, no one else can hear me either. My reception is excellent though. See ya'll in Brodhead if I can transmit the Airlion up thataway. Cheers, Gardiner ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coating Exhaust Manifold. From: "nightmare" Im sure its fine Dan. After all , thats how it was done in 1929 right? Lol -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396526#396526 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight From: DandD Boyd I have recently flown my Piet for the first time. This forum has been a huge help in the building process. Thank you to all. I also attended many Brodhead functions over the past 13 years and gotten lots of tips. To see the video of the flight go to www.Vimeo.com and put "Boyd First Flight" in the search engine. Hope to be at Brodhead this year. I will be at the Frasca (C16) fly- in June 15th. Dave Boyd Champaign, IL ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: microphone From: "taildrags" Gardiner; Someone posted a description of an effective noise muffler for their mic that they made out of an empty film canister with a small hole in it. I'll search the archives for it unless someone else on the list remembers this and can turn it up. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396536#396536 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:11 PM PST US From: Rick Schreiber Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight On 3/18/2013 5:07 PM, DandD Boyd wrote: > I have recently flown my Piet for the first time. This forum has been > a huge help in the building process. Thank you to all. I also > attended many Brodhead functions over the past 13 years and gotten > lots of tips. To see the video of the flight go to www.Vimeo.com > and put "Boyd First Flight" in the search engine. > Hope to be at Brodhead this year. I will be at the Frasca (C16) fly- > in June 15th. > Dave Boyd > Champaign, IL > * > * Congratulations Dave! Very exciting and pretty too. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight From: helspersew@aol.com Congratulations Dave! Looks mighty good! Was that at Champaign IL? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: DandD Boyd Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:08 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight I have recently flown my Piet for the first time. This forum has been a hug e help in the building process. Thank you to all. I also attended many Br odhead functions over the past 13 years and gotten lots of tips. To see the video of the flight go to www.Vimeo.com and put "Boyd First Flight" in the search engine. Hope to be at Brodhead this year. I will be at the Frasca (C16) fly- in Ju ne 15th. Dave Boyd Champaign, IL ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:37 PM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: microphone Gardiner Are you using a hand held? The Icom A6 has issues without remote PTT. Malcolm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gardiner" Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 4:55:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: microphone Hi all. I am having trouble transmitting out. My headset has a mike with a foam muff and while flying I can barely hear myself talk. Needless to say, no one else can hear me either. My reception is excellent though. See ya'll in Brodhead if I can transmit the Airlion up thataway. Cheers, Gardiner ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:48 PM PST US From: Max Hegler Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: microphone Film canister? What's that? =3B) > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: microphone > From: taildrags@hotmail.com > Date: Mon=2C 18 Mar 2013 15:35:17 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Gardiner=3B > > Someone posted a description of an effective noise muffler for their mic that they made out of an empty film canister with a small hole in it. I'll search the archives for it unless someone else on the list remembers this and can turn it up. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford=2C OR > Air Camper NX41CC "=3BScout"=3B > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396536#396536 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:42 PM PST US From: gboothe5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight Nice video, Dave! Congratulations!! Gary NX308MB ----- Original Message ----- From: "DandD Boyd" Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 3:07:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight I have recently flown my Piet for the first time. This forum has been a huge help in the building process. Thank you to all. I also attended many Brodhead functions over the past 13 years and gotten lots of tips. To see the video of the flight go to www.Vimeo.com and put "Boyd First Flight" in the search engine. Hope to be at Brodhead this year. I will be at the Frasca (C16) fly- in June 15th. Dave Boyd ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:56 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight Hi Dave, I like your blue and yellow Piet; the first flight looked great if a little on the cool side. Congratulations Dave, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:22 PM PST US From: Gardiner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: microphone *Yes I am using the ICOM A6. At first I was using the P TT pluged in. That did not work well and now I am using the mike button on the radio. * *I am not satisfied with that either.*Maybe I can try making a cover for the muff to cover my big mouth. Gardiner On 3/18/2013 6:55 PM, gliderx5@comcast.net wrote: > Gardiner > > Are you using a hand held? The Icom A6 has issues without remote PTT. > > Malcolm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Gardiner" > *To: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent: *Monday, March 18, 2013 4:55:32 PM > *Subject: *Pietenpol-List: microphone > > > Hi all. I am having trouble transmitting out. My headset has a mike > with a foam muff and while flying I can barely hear myself talk. > Needless to say, no one else can hear me either. My reception is > excellent though. See ya'll in Brodhead if I can > transmi======================= > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:12 PM PST US From: Gardiner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: microphone On 3/18/2013 7:11 PM, Max Hegler wrote: > Film canister? What's that? ;) > > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: microphone > > From: taildrags@hotmail.com > > Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:35:17 -0700 > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > > > > Gardiner; > > > > Someone posted a description of an effective noise muffler for their > mic that they made out of an empty film canister with a small hole in > it. I'll search the archives for it unless someone else on the list > remembers this and can turn it up. > > > > -------- > > Oscar Zuniga > > Medford, OR > > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > > A75 power > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396536#396536 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *maybe I can make one out of a small spice container. would like to see a pic of it though. gardiner > > > * ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:31 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Any piets in Montreal? Hello gentlemen, just wondering if there are any pietenpol guys in the Montreal Quebec area. I will be up there for work and would love to see some Canadian Piets if I get the chance. Shad ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight From: Jack Dave outstanding video, nice looking ship, congratulations! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Mar 18, 2013, at 5:07 PM, DandD Boyd wrote: > I have recently flown my Piet for the first time. This forum has been a hu ge help in the building process. Thank you to all. I also attended many Br odhead functions over the past 13 years and gotten lots of tips. To see the v ideo of the flight go to www.Vimeo.com and put "Boyd First Flight" in the se arch engine. > Hope to be at Brodhead this year. I will be at the Frasca (C16) fly- in J une 15th. > Dave Boyd > Champaign, IL > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:26 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flight Outstanding, Dave! It's a wonderful feeling, isn't it? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DandD Boyd Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 6:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight I have recently flown my Piet for the first time. This forum has been a huge help in the building process. Thank you to all. I also attended many Brodhead functions over the past 13 years and gotten lots of tips. To see the video of the flight go to www.Vimeo.com and put "Boyd First Flight" in the search engine. Hope to be at Brodhead this year. I will be at the Frasca (C16) fly- in June 15th. Dave Boyd Champaign, IL ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:34 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight Congratulations, beautiful plan! Where are you located? Do you have more ph otos? Ray Krause Building a Sky Scout Colusa, Ca. Sent from my iPad On Mar 18, 2013, at 3:07 PM, DandD Boyd wrote: > I have recently flown my Piet for the first time. This forum has been a hu ge help in the building process. Thank you to all. I also attended many Br odhead functions over the past 13 years and gotten lots of tips. To see the v ideo of the flight go to www.Vimeo.com and put "Boyd First Flight" in the se arch engine. > Hope to be at Brodhead this year. I will be at the Frasca (C16) fly- in J une 15th. > Dave Boyd > Champaign, IL > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:23 PM PST US From: John Woods Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight Dave, Congratulations on your first flight. Beautiful aircraft and what a perfect day to fly. Best regards, John Woods Perth, Western Australia ----- "DandD Boyd" wrote: > I have recently flown my Piet for the first time. This forum has been a huge help in the building process. Thank you to all. I also attended many Brodhead functions over the past 13 years and gotten lots of tips. To see the video of the flight go to www.Vimeo.com and put "Boyd First Flight" in the search engine. Hope to be at Brodhead this year. I will be at the Frasca (C16) fly- in June 15th. Dave Boyd > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight From: "aerocarjake" Wonderful, just absolutely wonderful....!! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396564#396564 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:08 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: microphone OK=2C here's the original post that I was thinking about. It's from Walt E vans=2C and I wish we knew how Walt is doing these days. He sure built a p retty Air Camper. ============Steve=2C Got a great idea from somebody=2C and the cost is free! Get the plastic 3 5mm film containers. Cut an "X" in the lid and slide it on the mic arm. Then wrap some foam around the mic and slide on the 35mm can after you have drilled a 1/4" hole in the side. Line up the hole with your mouth. Better than sliced bread. Just keep the hole tight against your mouth to keep out engine noise. My engine noise keeps my intercom open=2C but makes for a pleasant ride wit h me as the tour guide. walt evans NX140DL ============ Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:53 PM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering 2013 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHello....--- =0A-=0AI'm attaching the information sh eet for our annual West Coast Pietenpol Gathering.- (It's attached in pdf format - I also have it in word .doc format if you can't open the pdf) =0A -=0AI really hope that you can attend this year.- I know we will have a great time just as we have in past years and it looks like we will have so me new planes in attendance. =0APlease RSVP-if possible-to myself or Ch arlie Miller (our host at Frazier Lake)-so that we can get an approximate -count for food.-=0A-=0AI'm looking forward to hearing from you and s eeing you at Frazier Lake.- =0A-=0A-=0A-=0AMike Groah=0A414MV=0ATul are CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.