---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/23/13: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:58 AM - Question please!..Hor stab mounting surface. (bubbleboy) 2. 03:49 AM - Re: How to bend flat steel for control stick attachment? (Jack Phillips) 3. 04:44 AM - Re: How to bend flat steel for control stick attachment? (Jack) 4. 06:26 AM - Re: Piets in the Orlando area (pineymb) 5. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: Piets in the Orlando area (Ben Charvet) 6. 09:49 AM - Re: How to bend flat steel for control stick attachment? (Mark Roberts) 7. 09:58 AM - Re: How to bend flat steel for control stick attachment? (Mark Roberts) 8. 11:13 AM - Re: Question please!..Hor stab mounting surface. (Chris) 9. 12:40 PM - For Sale (davecates@charter.net) 10. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: How to bend flat steel for control stick attachment? (Jack) 11. 04:02 PM - Re: For Sale (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question please!..Hor stab mounting surface. From: "bubbleboy" Im building the lengthened 1966 fuselage and note the distance between the tail post and where the back of the turtle deck finishes is 18 7/8 inches. On the standard fuselage its 18 inches. When I measure the width of the horizontal stabiliser its 18 inches so why have they listed 18 7/8 inches on the lengthened fuselage? Is it an error or am I not seeing something? Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Tail and Ribs built...Building control system and about to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396843#396843 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:21 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How to bend flat steel for control stick attachment? Bend it cold. The only bending on a Pietenpol that requires being done hot is the flattened tubing ends used in various places, such as the spreader bars on the solid axle undercarriage. Tony Bingelis describes how to bend steel fittings in "Sportplane Construction Techniques". Or, if you don't happen to own his books (you should, as Mike Cuy will tell you), this month's "Sport Aviation" happens to reprint some of those techniques. Good luck! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: How to bend flat steel for control stick attachment? Hi Guys: I finished the control assembly tube that connects the front and back cockpits and now need to make the control sticks. I see that I should bend the flat .090 3/4" steel in a slight curve to match the control stick. I tried heating one of the steel pieces 2.5" long x .75" wide to a cherry red, and then clamping in the vice and whacking it with a hammer, but the vice cools the steel quickly, so I am wondering what the best method is to get the bends in the steel properly. I am betting this is not the last time I will need to do something like this, so what is the proper way? By the way, I looked through all of my EAA welding books to see if it is shown there and didn't see it in there, so I thought I would ask here. Many thanks!! Feels great to make some real progress after sitting on the sidelines for several months due to work... :) Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396835#396835 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:24 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How to bend flat steel for control stick attachment? Mark that bend is easy seen here http://textors.com/DSCN4167.JPG using this http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-Vise-Brake/H3245 You will want to smooth down the V as it nicks the metal. Browse around my site to see other parts and tools. Have fun... Jack Textor Des Moines, IA -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: How to bend flat steel for control stick attachment? Hi Guys: I finished the control assembly tube that connects the front and back cockpits and now need to make the control sticks. I see that I should bend the flat .090 3/4" steel in a slight curve to match the control stick. I tried heating one of the steel pieces 2.5" long x .75" wide to a cherry red, and then clamping in the vice and whacking it with a hammer, but the vice cools the steel quickly, so I am wondering what the best method is to get the bends in the steel properly. I am betting this is not the last time I will need to do something like this, so what is the proper way? By the way, I looked through all of my EAA welding books to see if it is shown there and didn't see it in there, so I thought I would ask here. Many thanks!! Feels great to make some real progress after sitting on the sidelines for several months due to work... :) Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396835#396835 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in the Orlando area From: "pineymb" Hey...Thanks Ben and Jerry, probably have a couple of days to do as I please and one is booked for a flight in the Stearmen at Fantasy of Flight so things will be tight but hoping to also make it out to NASA so maybe meeting up with you Ben is a possibility. Actually I believe we briefly meet at Brodhead this pass summer. Will contact you offline later if I can make it work. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396852#396852 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:06 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in the Orlando area Titusville is right next to the space center, hopefully we can work something out. Ben On 3/23/2013 9:26 AM, pineymb wrote: > > Hey...Thanks Ben and Jerry, probably have a couple of days to do as I please and one is booked for a flight in the Stearmen at Fantasy of Flight so things will be tight but hoping to also make it out to NASA so maybe meeting up with you Ben is a possibility. Actually I believe we briefly meet at Brodhead this pass summer. Will contact you offline later if I can make it work. > > -------- > Adrian M > Winnipeg, MB > Canada > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396852#396852 > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How to bend flat steel for control stick attachment? From: "Mark Roberts" Thanks guys. I have the full set of uncle Tony's books (as Mike Cuy says) so I will have me a look. Also, thanks for the links too. I'm off to have a look... Then back put to the shop!! Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396860#396860 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How to bend flat steel for control stick attachment? From: "Mark Roberts" Wow Jack! Neat weld.... Are you using TIG? I now see that mine (which I thought were neat) are not as pretty as I thought. But, they are functionally good... I actually have a brake press bender, and didn't think to use it for this application. Might just have to try it. I thought these bends had to be round like the tubing, and wondered how you could do that... Thanks again!! Nice welds! (I'm jealous!) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396861#396861 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:13:14 AM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Question please!..Hor stab mounting surface. Scotty Its not a critical measurement so don't stress out too much. The extra 7/8 inch gives you room for the horizontal stabilizer and if you don't like the gap fill it in later with a bit of spruce. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question please!..Hor stab mounting surface. --> Im building the lengthened 1966 fuselage and note the distance between the tail post and where the back of the turtle deck finishes is 18 7/8 inches. On the standard fuselage its 18 inches. When I measure the width of the horizontal stabiliser its 18 inches so why have they listed 18 7/8 inches on the lengthened fuselage? Is it an error or am I not seeing something? Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Tail and Ribs built...Building control system and about to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396843#396843 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:40 PM PST US From: davecates@charter.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: For Sale For Sale / My name is Dave Cates from Fontana WI. For about 3 years I and an A&P friend have built a very nice experimential Continential engine. We are just finishing the finial assembly and I have decided to sell rather than continue on my Piet. This engine is zero time/ new cylinders / pistons / valves / rebuilt mags / electric start / altranater / crank was ground and nitrited. Built with a little better than 100hp. I will sell for $7,000, If anyone has an intrest please call me at 262-275-5822 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: How to bend flat steel for control stick attachment? From: Jack Thanks for the nice comments Mark but most of the welding has been done by a good friend, Jerry Grogan. I do some of the "not so critical" stuff. Yes it's tig. The vice brake worked well because you only want to bend about half the part, you just let the end not to bend overhang outside the brake. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Mar 23, 2013, at 11:58 AM, "Mark Roberts" wrote: > > Wow Jack! Neat weld.... Are you using TIG? I now see that mine (which I thought were neat) are not as pretty as I thought. But, they are functionally good... > > I actually have a brake press bender, and didn't think to use it for this application. Might just have to try it. I thought these bends had to be round like the tubing, and wondered how you could do that... > > Thanks again!! Nice welds! (I'm jealous!) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396861#396861 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: For Sale From: "taildrags" Dave; How about a little more information? Is it an O-200 (you say it's a little over 100HP)? If it has a starter, that sort of narrows down the possibilities. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396880#396880 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.