Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 04/01/13


Total Messages Posted: 27



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:41 AM - Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time building (Gary Boothe)
     2. 06:39 AM - Stewarts (Douwe Blumberg)
     3. 07:22 AM - Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time building (Jerry Dotson)
     4. 09:52 AM - Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time building (Jim Boyer)
     5. 10:16 AM - Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time building (V Groah)
     6. 11:16 AM - Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time building (nightmare)
     7. 12:22 PM - Frazier Lake (Gary Boothe)
     8. 01:12 PM - Varnish Temperature (Charles Burkholder)
     9. 01:36 PM - Re: Varnish Temperature (Gary Boothe)
    10. 01:53 PM - Re: Varnish Temperature (tools)
    11. 02:49 PM - New Builder Introduction (pringljo)
    12. 04:09 PM - Re: Re: Varnish Temperature (Charles Burkholder)
    13. 04:15 PM - Re: New Builder Introduction (Gardiner)
    14. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: Varnish Temperature (Gary Boothe)
    15. 04:22 PM - Re: New Builder Introduction (Gary Boothe)
    16. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: Varnish Temperature (wayne)
    17. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: Varnish Temperature (Charles Burkholder)
    18. 06:07 PM - Re: Varnish Temperature (tools)
    19. 06:14 PM - Re: Cool building shot (Larry V)
    20. 07:10 PM - Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time buildin (Mark Roberts)
    21. 07:11 PM - Re: Frazier Lake (nightmare)
    22. 07:35 PM - Re: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time buildin (Ken Bickers)
    23. 08:42 PM - Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time building (Mark Roberts)
    24. 08:44 PM - Re: Varnish Temperature (Mark Roberts)
    25. 09:16 PM - Another entroduction (CraigAho)
    26. 11:02 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
    27. 11:06 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:41:20 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time
    building Way to go, Mark!! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 9:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time building --> <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> I know I am not alone in the "start again, stop again" building process, but I have been surprised by how quickly I have progressed recently. I stopped for almost the entire last half of 2012 because of a video project I was producing and, since I worked at home, I felt every moment I was in the shop was time I should have spent editing and finishing the video. But, I bought the steel for the control stick, elevator bar, rudder bar and pedals, and related assemblies, but ran out of money before I got the welding set up. When I finally had time, I had run outta money to buy the tanks and welding equipment. A friend had a set of tanks and all the torches I needed to start welding, and needed a place to store them after breaking up with his girlfriend, so 3 weekends ago he dropped them off and I started putting metal together. I was skeptical about whether I could weld well enough to produce a safe airplane, but I had some good encouragement from Gary Booth when he came to visit and he was right: it ain't THAT hard to do a good weld joint. Where I once felt I would have a professional do my LG and Engine mount, I now think I can do just fine. Thanks Gary! So, I told my wife that I thought it would take me 2-3 months to get to the point of finishing the steel parts I had bought. It has taken about 3 weeks to build everything. Well, I still have the front rudder pedals to do, but all the rest is finished and ready for the zinc paint. I thing the time to varnish the inside has come, then paint the metal bits and plug them in! Progress! Here's some pics of Jody sitting in her perch as I measured out where to put the pedals for her short statured legs. I made her stick removable so I could use the front seat as storage if she isn't flying. Now, what's next... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397499#397499 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_467.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_154.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_351.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_917.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_632.jpg


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    Time: 06:39:13 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Stewarts
    Yes Charles, "Re-PIET" was at Stewarts for a month after Joe finished my tailwheel endorsement. He's also the gent who spun her, causing quite a controversy on the list and taking a couple years off my lifespan. Cool guy, and really enjoyed his instruction. Can't say enough about Stewarts!! Douwe


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    Time: 07:22:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time
    building
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    Looking good Mark. Keep on keepin' on. Progress!!! You are on a good heading. Me and my wife figure your passenger looks very good too. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397525#397525


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    Time: 09:52:03 AM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time
    building HI Mark, Your Piet progress is looking good. Jody looks like she belongs in there flying it. Keep it up Mark and see you two at Frazier lake. Cheers, Jim B.


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    Time: 10:16:04 AM PST US
    From: V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>
    Subject: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time
    building Looking good=2C pleased to see your progress=2C and suport from the family. Hope you bring a bunch of photos of all the parts to Frazier Lake in June . Love to see them and both of you again. Vic NX414MV > From: gboothe5@comcast.net > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: What you can accomplish if you just spend so me time building > Date: Mon=2C 1 Apr 2013 05:41:01 -0700 > > > > Way to go=2C Mark!! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Robe rts > Sent: Sunday=2C March 31=2C 2013 9:20 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: What you can accomplish if you just spend some t ime > building > > --> <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> > > I know I am not alone in the "start again=2C stop again" building process =2C but > I have been surprised by how quickly I have progressed recently. I stoppe d > for almost the entire last half of 2012 because of a video project I was > producing and=2C since I worked at home=2C I felt every moment I was in t he shop > was time I should have spent editing and finishing the video. > > But=2C I bought the steel for the control stick=2C elevator bar=2C rudder bar and > pedals=2C and related assemblies=2C but ran out of money before I got the > welding set up. When I finally had time=2C I had run outta money to buy t he > tanks and welding equipment. > > A friend had a set of tanks and all the torches I needed to start welding =2C > and needed a place to store them after breaking up with his girlfriend=2C so 3 > weekends ago he dropped them off and I started putting metal together. > > I was skeptical about whether I could weld well enough to produce a safe > airplane=2C but I had some good encouragement from Gary Booth when he cam e to > visit and he was right: it ain't THAT hard to do a good weld joint. Where I > once felt I would have a professional do my LG and Engine mount=2C I now think > I can do just fine. Thanks Gary! > > So=2C I told my wife that I thought it would take me 2-3 months to get to the > point of finishing the steel parts I had bought. It has taken about 3 wee ks > to build everything. Well=2C I still have the front rudder pedals to do =2C but > all the rest is finished and ready for the zinc paint. I thing the time t o > varnish the inside has come=2C then paint the metal bits and plug them in ! > Progress! > > Here's some pics of Jody sitting in her perch as I measured out where to put > the pedals for her short statured legs. I made her stick removable so I > could use the front seat as storage if she isn't flying. > > Now=2C what's next... > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397499#397499 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_467.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_154.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_351.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_917.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_632.jpg > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > >


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    Time: 11:16:08 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time
    building
    From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
    Looks great Mark! Refresh my memory, is that 2 inches wider and deeper? Looks nice and roomy. I may see you west coast guys at your flyin. I often have sfo layovers. How long of a drive is frazier lake from sfo? -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397545#397545


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    Time: 12:22:48 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Frazier Lake
    Paul, My guess is 1.5 - 2 hrs, depending on traffic. Sure would like to see you there..... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time building --> <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> Looks great Mark! Refresh my memory, is that 2 inches wider and deeper? Looks nice and roomy. I may see you west coast guys at your flyin. I often have sfo layovers. How long of a drive is frazier lake from sfo? -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397545#397545


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    Time: 01:12:52 PM PST US
    From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly@abcmailbox.net>
    Subject: Varnish Temperature
    Hi folks what is the coolest temperature you would feel comfortable varnishing? This cold ontario weather just refuses to leave..... cb


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    Time: 01:36:17 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Varnish Temperature
    Anything under 60 and I have to put on a sweatshirt.I'm usually comfortable then. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Burkholder Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 1:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnish Temperature Hi folks what is the coolest temperature you would feel comfortable varnishing? This cold ontario weather just refuses to leave..... cb


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    Time: 01:53:23 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    "Varnish" is basically a business term these days... as such, EVERY brand of "varnish" is different, and then the formula within a brand probably changes more frequently than you may imagine. Therefore, check the very fine print on the can and follow it to the letter. Every can I've read has a minimum recommended application temp and that should be followed for it to work right. It will likely also have a max temp and well as guidance based on general humidity levels. I've even seen "varnish" that had coating thickness guidance, which I didn't follow, and it NEVER cured.. what a stinking mess that was. The moral, read the can and do EVERYTHING it says the best you can! Because of these experiences, I base my purchases now on what I read, as in if I don't like how they want it applied, I keep reading cans until I find one I do like, and you might be amazed how different they all are. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397565#397565


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    Time: 02:49:28 PM PST US
    Subject: New Builder Introduction
    From: "pringljo" <joseph.pringle@gmail.com>
    Hello All, I just wanted to jump in and introduce myself. I'm a new builder in Atlanta, GA. I'm currently working on the wing ribs (building a Riblett 612 wing). I just bought a Corvair engine core about 2 weeks ago, so I am trying to come up to speed on that as well. I have a million questions, and so far, I have been able to get most of them answered right here. I am looking forward to meeting some of you and seeing your planes in person. Joe Pringle Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397571#397571


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    Time: 04:09:50 PM PST US
    From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly@abcmailbox.net>
    Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
    I couldn't find any minimum temperature on the can. I'll look again.... cb ----- Original Message ----- From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 4:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature > > "Varnish" is basically a business term these days... as such, EVERY brand > of "varnish" is different, and then the formula within a brand probably > changes more frequently than you may imagine. > > Therefore, check the very fine print on the can and follow it to the > letter. Every can I've read has a minimum recommended application temp > and that should be followed for it to work right. > > It will likely also have a max temp and well as guidance based on general > humidity levels. > > I've even seen "varnish" that had coating thickness guidance, which I > didn't follow, and it NEVER cured.. what a stinking mess that was. > > The moral, read the can and do EVERYTHING it says the best you can! > Because of these experiences, I base my purchases now on what I read, as > in if I don't like how they want it applied, I keep reading cans until I > find one I do like, and you might be amazed how different they all are. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397565#397565 > > >


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    Time: 04:15:09 PM PST US
    From: Gardiner <airlion2@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: New Builder Introduction
    Hi Joe, I live in atlanta and keep my piet in lagrange ga. my phone is 404 367 9453 and my cell is 706 594 3811 > > Hello All, > I just wanted to jump in and introduce myself. I'm a new builder in Atlanta, GA. I'm currently working on the wing ribs (building a Riblett 612 wing). I just bought a Corvair engine core about 2 weeks ago, so I am trying to come up to speed on that as well. > > I have a million questions, and so far, I have been able to get most of them answered right here. > > I am looking forward to meeting some of you and seeing your planes in person. > > Joe Pringle > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397571#397571 > >


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    Time: 04:19:51 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
    Charles, My can of Min Wax Spar Varnish does not specify a minimum, either...only that the 24 hr drying time is extend when applied over 77 deg. and 50% humidity. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Burkholder Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature <born2fly@abcmailbox.net> I couldn't find any minimum temperature on the can. I'll look again.... cb ----- Original Message ----- From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 4:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature > > "Varnish" is basically a business term these days... as such, EVERY brand > of "varnish" is different, and then the formula within a brand probably > changes more frequently than you may imagine. > > Therefore, check the very fine print on the can and follow it to the > letter. Every can I've read has a minimum recommended application temp > and that should be followed for it to work right. > > It will likely also have a max temp and well as guidance based on general > humidity levels. > > I've even seen "varnish" that had coating thickness guidance, which I > didn't follow, and it NEVER cured.. what a stinking mess that was. > > The moral, read the can and do EVERYTHING it says the best you can! > Because of these experiences, I base my purchases now on what I read, as > in if I don't like how they want it applied, I keep reading cans until I > find one I do like, and you might be amazed how different they all are. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397565#397565 > > >


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    Time: 04:22:02 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: New Builder Introduction
    Welcome, Joe! I'm assuming that you have caught up with WW? Gary Boothe NX308MB Covair -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pringljo Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 2:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Builder Introduction --> <joseph.pringle@gmail.com> Hello All, I just wanted to jump in and introduce myself. I'm a new builder in Atlanta, GA. I'm currently working on the wing ribs (building a Riblett 612 wing). I just bought a Corvair engine core about 2 weeks ago, so I am trying to come up to speed on that as well. I have a million questions, and so far, I have been able to get most of them answered right here. I am looking forward to meeting some of you and seeing your planes in person. Joe Pringle Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397571#397571


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    Time: 04:40:51 PM PST US
    From: wayne <catway@sympatico.ca>
    Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
    charles, I used helmsman spar varnish and the can says it will dry in six hours at 25c temps. so if you use it in the cold it may not dry till the end of may when the temperature warms up. be patient and only do it once. p.s. a friend has some steamline tubing if your interested . let me know. Wayne (with my sweater on) in waterloo. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly@abcmailbox.net> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature > <born2fly@abcmailbox.net> > > I couldn't find any minimum temperature on the can. I'll look again.... > cb > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 4:51 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature > > >> >> "Varnish" is basically a business term these days... as such, EVERY brand >> of "varnish" is different, and then the formula within a brand probably >> changes more frequently than you may imagine. >> >> Therefore, check the very fine print on the can and follow it to the >> letter. Every can I've read has a minimum recommended application temp >> and that should be followed for it to work right. >> >> It will likely also have a max temp and well as guidance based on general >> humidity levels. >> >> I've even seen "varnish" that had coating thickness guidance, which I >> didn't follow, and it NEVER cured.. what a stinking mess that was. >> >> The moral, read the can and do EVERYTHING it says the best you can! >> Because of these experiences, I base my purchases now on what I read, as >> in if I don't like how they want it applied, I keep reading cans until I >> find one I do like, and you might be amazed how different they all are. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397565#397565 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 05:01:20 PM PST US
    From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly@abcmailbox.net>
    Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
    Yes I'm using that stuff too. I'm just not sure if the cold temps would affect the bond etc...... Wayne I would be interested....... How much does he have? ----- Original Message ----- From: "wayne" <catway@sympatico.ca> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 7:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature > > charles, I used helmsman spar varnish and the can says it will dry in six > hours at 25c temps. > so if you use it in the cold it may not dry till the end of may when the > temperature warms up. > be patient and only do it once. > p.s. a friend has some steamline tubing if your interested . > let me know. > > Wayne (with my sweater on) in waterloo. > ----- > Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly@abcmailbox.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 7:06 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature > > >> <born2fly@abcmailbox.net> >> >> I couldn't find any minimum temperature on the can. I'll look again.... >> cb >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> >> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 4:51 PM >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature >> >> >>> >>> "Varnish" is basically a business term these days... as such, EVERY >>> brand of "varnish" is different, and then the formula within a brand >>> probably changes more frequently than you may imagine. >>> >>> Therefore, check the very fine print on the can and follow it to the >>> letter. Every can I've read has a minimum recommended application temp >>> and that should be followed for it to work right. >>> >>> It will likely also have a max temp and well as guidance based on >>> general humidity levels. >>> >>> I've even seen "varnish" that had coating thickness guidance, which I >>> didn't follow, and it NEVER cured.. what a stinking mess that was. >>> >>> The moral, read the can and do EVERYTHING it says the best you can! >>> Because of these experiences, I base my purchases now on what I read, as >>> in if I don't like how they want it applied, I keep reading cans until I >>> find one I do like, and you might be amazed how different they all are. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397565#397565 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 06:07:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    Wow, weird, consider checking online for additional info on that product, and/or emailing the manufacturer for recommendations. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397604#397604


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    Time: 06:14:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cool building shot
    From: "Larry V" <larryvangerven@hotmail.com>
    Douwe, keep the pictures coming awsome aircraft and always a joy to see and quite motivational Larry V Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397605#397605


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    Time: 07:10:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time
    buildin
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    Thanks guys! I am looking forward to Frazier Lake! It will be good to see everyone again. AND, there will be at least 2 NEW Piets there (will Mike let you ride in the front seat on the way over Vic ;-) Poor Charlie's won't be the only Piet there this year! I'm sure he got tired of wiping off all the drool from us Pieters in Progress... Thanks for the kind words. Feels good to make some progress... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397608#397608


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    Time: 07:11:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Frazier Lake
    From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
    Thanks Gary, I wont know till about two weeks prior. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397609#397609


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    Time: 07:35:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some
    time buildin
    From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
    Guys, If any of you are heading to Frazier Lake for the West Coast Pietenpol fly-in in June from the San Luis Obispo area and wouldn't mind giving a ride to a college student, my son Kevin would doubtless jump at the chance to tag along. Some of you -- Gary, for instance -- may remember Kevin from past Brodhead fly-ins. He's the teenager that was flying the brown and cream Pacer every chance he got, at least when he wasn't bumming rides from guys with Pietenpols. He's now finishing his freshmen year at Cal Poly as an aerospace engineering major. Quick story about him. Two years ago when we arrived at Brodhead, he started unloading the Pacer as quickly as he could so that he could go for a flight without all our camping gear (or me) in it. He had gotten his license about six months prior, right after turning 17. One of the fellows there cautioned him that as hot and humid as it was the density altitude was probably 2500 ft. He said, 'yeah, I know. I've never flown that low.' For those that don't know, our field elevation here in Colorado is just over 5000. Density altitudes in the thin air in summer can easily reach 8 to 9 thousand feet He really hadn't flown that low. He's now got about 250 hours: 10 in tricycle airplanes, the rest in taildraggers, mostly in the Pacer. Let me know off-line if someone is heading that way and I'll pass along his contact information. Cheers, Ken On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote: > mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> > > Thanks guys! > > I am looking forward to Frazier Lake! It will be good to see everyone > again. AND, there will be at least 2 NEW Piets there (will Mike let you > ride in the front seat on the way over Vic ;-) > > Poor Charlie's won't be the only Piet there this year! I'm sure he got > tired of wiping off all the drool from us Pieters in Progress... > > Thanks for the kind words. Feels good to make some progress... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397608#397608 > >


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    Time: 08:42:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time
    building
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    Yep! 2" wider from nose to pilot shoulders (which surprisingly makes it feel VERY roomy... I bet 1" would have been fine even for my 250 lbs) and 2" deeper at the pilot seat. 2" longer at the nose too... All these were over and above the long fuse dimensions from the supplemental plans. Book that layover trip and come to the Frazier Lake fly in!! West Coast Pieters are great! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397613#397613


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    Time: 08:44:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    Oh Gary! I laughed out loud... Didn't see that one comin' :D [quote="gboothe"]Anything under 60 and I have to put on a sweatshirtIm usually comfortable then Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Burkholder Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 1:09 PM Subject: Varnish Temperature Hi folks what is the coolest temperature you would feel comfortable varnishing? This cold ontario weather just refuses to leave..... cb > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List 0 > 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 5 > 6 > 7 > [b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397614#397614


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    Time: 09:16:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Another entroduction
    From: "CraigAho" <Soar561@hotmail.com>
    Hello from Seattle, WA. I look forward to the Pietenpol Fellowship with my fellow builders. I have completed one Air Camper back in 1996 that took me a little over two years to build. I am now about 15 years into my second one but expect to speed up my building progress now that I am retired. I have a Fuselage, wing ribs, tail feathers and most all the fittings and a fresh C65/85 ready to go. My Air Camper NX40772 was sold about a year after completion to a couple of fellows in my area that enjoyed it untill it was destroyed in a Hanger fire that consumed 6 aircraft. I recieved all my original hardware and metal parts back which I have ready to reinstall on my new aircraft. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397617#397617 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image35_146.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image6_669.jpg


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    Time: 11:02:45 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
    Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ] This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address: http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm ************************************************************ ******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ******* ************************************************************ PLEASE READ. This document contains Pietenpol-List policies and information for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Pietenpol-List policies will minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Pietenpol-List running smoothly for all of us. ****************************************** *** Quick Start Guide to List Features *** ****************************************** There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List **************************************** *** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe *** **************************************** Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information. The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is: http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed. You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request. The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post until you receive the second conformation email message. ***************************** *** How to Post a Message *** ***************************** Send an email message to: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed to the List. ***************************************************** *** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post *** ***************************************************** When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor. If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that gets posted to the Lists. Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List: smith@machine.domain.com smith@domain.com Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to the List. ************************************** *** Enclosure Support on the Lists *** ************************************** Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the content of enclosures. These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics Lists: 1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists. 2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists. 3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site. 4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives. 5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature. 6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed: bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk. 7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down the process of posting the message !! Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists. 1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post 30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these folks and the rest of us, for that matter. 2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000 pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less. Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it! http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx Look for the link "Image Resizer" 3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother. And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even questionable. !! 4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and BE COURTEOUS! Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server for long time viewing and availability. ******************* *** Digest Mode *** ******************* Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started. This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:" and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting of a line of underscores. Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list. To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form described above, and just select the Digest version of the List. http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable. Now some caveats: * Messages sent to "pietenpol-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the digest List. * If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of the day. * If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please *do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*. **************************** *** List Digest Browser *** **************************** An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found at the following location: http://www.matronics.com/digest ***************************************** *** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag *** ***************************************** At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the message: do not archive Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List email distribution as normal. ********************************************** ***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes ***** ********************************************** Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving messages from the Pietenpol-List, go to the following Web page, and look for your email address and a possible reason for your removal. The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the Lists you will find record of it at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice. ******************************* *** List Member Information *** ******************************* If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and paper mail address in the following format: smith@somehost.com Joe Smith 123 Airport Lane Tower, CA 91234-1234 098-765-1234 w 123-456-7890 h Please forward this information to the following email address: requests@matronics.com I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT be used for any other commercial purpose. **************************************** *** Realtime Web Email List Browsing *** **************************************** Recent messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also made available on the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject, Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon). You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List Browser Interface in view-mode. http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list ******************************************* *** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface *** ******************************************* A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Pietenpol-List content. content. 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The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL: http://forums.matronics.com ********************************* *** Matronics Email List Wiki *** ********************************* In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at: http://wiki.matronics.com The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately. While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any images and email it to: wiki-support@matronics.com One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct a Wiki page for you. Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that post and convert it into a Wiki page. ********************* *** List Archives *** ********************* A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Pietenpol-List is available on line. The archive file information is available via the Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below: * Pietenpol-List.FAQ - Latest version of the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Question page (this document). * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete - Complete file with most of the email header info removed and page breaks inserted between messages. * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-?? - Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that can more easily handled. * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.zip - Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in PKZIP format. 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Every year during November I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month, I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they are comfortable. I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated by companies that are themselves List members. Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the variety of services found here. Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude. Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in. The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and sending a personal check. If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to support its continued operation? http://www.matronics.com/contributions Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. 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    Time: 11:06:13 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
    Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive




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