---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/02/13: 52 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:35 AM - Re: Another entroduction (Jack Phillips) 2. 04:59 AM - welcome Joe (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 05:04 AM - ...and welcome Craig! (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 05:05 AM - Re: Another entroduction (nightmare) 5. 05:09 AM - Re: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time buildin (Charles Burkholder) 6. 05:15 AM - Re: Varnish Temperature (Bill Church) 7. 05:27 AM - Re: Another entroduction (Gary Boothe) 8. 05:28 AM - Re: satellite tracking devices (AircamperN11MS) 9. 05:40 AM - Re: Varnish Temperature (tools) 10. 06:06 AM - Re: satellite tracking devices (kevinpurtee) 11. 06:13 AM - Re: Varnish Temperature (tools) 12. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: Varnish Temperature (Gary Boothe) 13. 06:31 AM - Craig , new to list (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 14. 07:57 AM - Re: Craig , new to list (Michael Perez) 15. 08:11 AM - Re: Another entroduction (BYD) 16. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: Another entroduction (Craig Aho) 17. 08:20 AM - West coast Pieter's (AircamperN11MS) 18. 08:36 AM - Re: Another entroduction (CraigAho) 19. 09:37 AM - Re: Frazier Lake (V Groah) 20. 09:40 AM - before the wheel was invented (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 21. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: Varnish Temperature (Charles Burkholder) 22. 10:03 AM - Re: ...and welcome Craig! (CraigAho) 23. 10:16 AM - Re: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time buildin (V Groah) 24. 10:42 AM - Re: West coast Pieter's (Ray Krause) 25. 10:53 AM - Re: West coast Pieter's (Michael Groah) 26. 10:59 AM - Re: West coast Pieter's (AircamperN11MS) 27. 11:04 AM - Re: West coast Pieter's (AircamperN11MS) 28. 11:29 AM - Re: Re: West coast Pieter's (Michael Groah) 29. 12:59 PM - New Builder just starting (Mike Rich) 30. 01:29 PM - Re: New Builder Introduction (K5YAC) 31. 01:34 PM - Re: New Builder just starting (tools) 32. 02:00 PM - Re: New Builder just starting (K5YAC) 33. 02:11 PM - Snf (Dick N) 34. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: New Builder just starting (Mike Rich) 35. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: New Builder just starting (Mike Rich) 36. 02:20 PM - Re: Snf (Ben Charvet) 37. 02:58 PM - Re: Snf (Ryan M) 38. 03:25 PM - Welcome to Mike Rich from Dallas (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 39. 03:55 PM - Re: Welcome to Mike Rich from Dallas (Mike Rich) 40. 04:16 PM - Re: Snf (Ryan M) 41. 04:23 PM - Re: West coast Pieter's (Gary Boothe) 42. 04:25 PM - Re: Welcome to Mike Rich from Dallas (Gary Boothe) 43. 04:38 PM - Re: Snf (Dick N) 44. 04:58 PM - Re: West coast Pieter's (Michael Groah) 45. 05:16 PM - Re: satellite tracking devices (Fun2av8) 46. 05:57 PM - Re: Re: satellite tracking devices (Gary Boothe) 47. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: West coast Pieter's (Ray Krause) 48. 07:45 PM - Re: New Builder Introduction (tools) 49. 08:02 PM - Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time building (taildrags) 50. 08:16 PM - Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time building (Mark Roberts) 51. 08:22 PM - Re: West coast Pieter's (Mark Roberts) 52. 08:26 PM - Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time buildin (Mark Roberts) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:25 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another entroduction Welcome back, Craig! I remember seeing pictures of your Air Camper and wondered whatever happened to it. You finished yours about the time I was starting to build mine. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CraigAho Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another entroduction Hello from Seattle, WA. I look forward to the Pietenpol Fellowship with my fellow builders. I have completed one Air Camper back in 1996 that took me a little over two years to build. I am now about 15 years into my second one but expect to speed up my building progress now that I am retired. I have a Fuselage, wing ribs, tail feathers and most all the fittings and a fresh C65/85 ready to go. My Air Camper NX40772 was sold about a year after completion to a couple of fellows in my area that enjoyed it untill it was destroyed in a Hanger fire that consumed 6 aircraft. I recieved all my original hardware and metal parts back which I have ready to reinstall on my new aircraft. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397617#397617 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image35_146.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image6_669.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:02 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: welcome Joe Welcome to the group Joe! You're lucky in that you have some good builders and awfully nice builders right around you and as you've already observed, you can usually get your question answered (eventually) on the list. Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:06 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: ...and welcome Craig! Craig, When I bought my project in 02, it came with a stack of back issues and I've seen many a pic of your beautiful ship in those magazines. I always loved it and am excited you'll be producing another. What will this one be like? Same gear etc? Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another entroduction From: "nightmare" Beautiful plane, sad story, but great to hear that part of plane will be reincarnated. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397635#397635 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:04 AM PST US From: "Charles Burkholder" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time buildin wow I hope he knows he's one lucky kid. Gets to fly pops planes!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Bickers To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time buildin Guys, If any of you are heading to Frazier Lake for the West Coast Pietenpol fly-in in June from the San Luis Obispo area and wouldn't mind giving a ride to a college student, my son Kevin would doubtless jump at the chance to tag along. Some of you -- Gary, for instance -- may remember Kevin from past Brodhead fly-ins. He's the teenager that was flying the brown and cream Pacer every chance he got, at least when he wasn't bumming rides from guys with Pietenpols. He's now finishing his freshmen year at Cal Poly as an aerospace engineering major. Quick story about him. Two years ago when we arrived at Brodhead, he started unloading the Pacer as quickly as he could so that he could go for a flight without all our camping gear (or me) in it. He had gotten his license about six months prior, right after turning 17. One of the fellows there cautioned him that as hot and humid as it was the density altitude was probably 2500 ft. He said, 'yeah, I know. I've never flown that low.' For those that don't know, our field elevation here in Colorado is just over 5000. Density altitudes in the thin air in summer can easily reach 8 to 9 thousand feet He really hadn't flown that low. He's now got about 250 hours: 10 in tricycle airplanes, the rest in taildraggers, mostly in the Pacer. Let me know off-line if someone is heading that way and I'll pass along his contact information. Cheers, Ken On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Thanks guys! I am looking forward to Frazier Lake! It will be good to see everyone again. AND, there will be at least 2 NEW Piets there (will Mike let you ride in the front seat on the way over Vic ;-) Poor Charlie's won't be the only Piet there this year! I'm sure he got tired of wiping off all the drool from us Pieters in Progress... Thanks for the kind words. Feels good to make some progress... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397608#397608 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature From: "Bill Church" Charles, Minwax doesn't seem to publish a range of suitable application temperatures in their online literature, or on the can. However, the product most likely has been formulated to work best at or around "room temperature" (20C, 68F). Following is a link to a similar question posed on an online forum discussing the use of Helmsman Spar Urethane on canoe paddles, that may be of some assistance. http://www.bwca.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=forum.thread&threadId 7666&forumID=15&confID=1 Basically, I think you're going to have to wait a month or so, till the weather warms up a bit, before applying the varnish. On another note, I find that I also feel comfortable when Gary is wearing a sweater. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397638#397638 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:28 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another entroduction Welcome back, Craig! The memory of #1 still lives on at www.westcoastpiet.com! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CraigAho Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 9:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another entroduction Hello from Seattle, WA. I look forward to the Pietenpol Fellowship with my fellow builders. I have completed one Air Camper back in 1996 that took me a little over two years to build. I am now about 15 years into my second one but expect to speed up my building progress now that I am retired. I have a Fuselage, wing ribs, tail feathers and most all the fittings and a fresh C65/85 ready to go. My Air Camper NX40772 was sold about a year after completion to a couple of fellows in my area that enjoyed it untill it was destroyed in a Hanger fire that consumed 6 aircraft. I recieved all my original hardware and metal parts back which I have ready to reinstall on my new aircraft. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397617#397617 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image35_146.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image6_669.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: satellite tracking devices From: "AircamperN11MS" I love my SPOT. I take it everywhere. In the plane, On the motorcycle and in the RV. Great device. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397640#397640 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature From: "tools" Actually Minwax does publish a min temp on their site under "basics of wood preparation" I just typed "temperature" into the search function on the home page. TEMPERATURE AND HUMIDITY All wood finishing products depend on evaporation during the drying process. Low air temperatures and high relative humidity slow evaporation and increase the length of time your wood project will remain tacky. Before starting your wood project, make sure the temperature will remain above 65 degrees and the humidity around 50% during both application and the drying process. I think Bill's recommendation of "around room temp" would probably work for nearly all products. Lager yeast being the only exception I can think of, unless you want a steam style beer... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397642#397642 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: satellite tracking devices From: "kevinpurtee" The SPOT is all I've used, Douwe, but it works great. I have my personal one and have bought several for crews at work. I rarely fly, personally or professionally, without one. I've been told there are devices that are more aviation-centric but I don't know anything about them. Didn't really answer your question but it's more data for you. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397643#397643 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature From: "tools" The boat guys seem to use Epifane, which has this on their site... When applying one-component products, the minimum application and surface temperature should be no less than 40 F. (5 C). Two- component products should not be applied in temperatures under 50- 55 F. (10-12 C). During application, the relative humidity should not exceed 85%. When applying two-component products, a maximum humidity level of 70% should be observed. Application of paint in conditions above or below these levels may have repercussions on the drying and hardening qualities of the product. The minimum temperature of the object to be painted should be 5 F. (3 C.) above the point of condensation. Is it colder than 40 deg in the shop? Seems like this stuff should work pretty good. Many people point out that the issue with colder temps is condensation, which can definitely blush the finish, not so important if the varnish is for properties rather than show, as in the inside of a wing or something. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397644#397644 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:52 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature I find it curious that, if a manufacturer were concerned about application temps, they would bury the info on a website. Charles - Speaking anecdotally, and to your desire to get something done while awaiting the first blossoms of Spring, just last Friday night I re-varnished my prop with Minwax Spar Varnish Semi Satin. It was about 50 deg when I started and temps got down to 38 that night. Next morning it was ready for transportation to the hangar. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:41 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature Actually Minwax does publish a min temp on their site under "basics of wood preparation" I just typed "temperature" into the search function on the home page. TEMPERATURE AND HUMIDITY All wood finishing products depend on evaporation during the drying process. Low air temperatures and high relative humidity slow evaporation and increase the length of time your wood project will remain tacky. Before starting your wood project, make sure the temperature will remain above 65 degrees and the humidity around 50% during both application and the drying process. I think Bill's recommendation of "around room temp" would probably work for nearly all products. Lager yeast being the only exception I can think of, unless you want a steam style beer... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397642#397642 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:16 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Craig , new to list Welcome back Craig---good to hear you're retired now and well along on your airplane! All the best, Mike C. from Ohio ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:43 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Craig , new to list Welcome back Craig and welcome to the list Joe P! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another entroduction From: "BYD" Hey Craig, I remember flying up and looking at your ship before the fire. Good to hear you're back into building. aerocarjake is building near you and I have a Model-A version waiting for inspection down at Tacoma airport if you venture South sometime. Bill Sayre NX626E Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397651#397651 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:33 AM PST US From: Craig Aho Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another entroduction Hello Bill=2C I would love to visit and take a look at your aircraft someti me. And if your up my way Stop by for coffee and a garage visit. Craig425-7 78-7650 > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another entroduction > From: billsayre@ymail.com > Date: Tue=2C 2 Apr 2013 08:10:36 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Hey Craig=2C > > I remember flying up and looking at your ship before the fire. Good to h ear you're back into building. aerocarjake is building near you and I have a Model-A version waiting for inspection down at Tacoma airport if you ven ture South sometime. > > Bill Sayre > NX626E > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397651#397651 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: West coast Pieter's From: "AircamperN11MS" Pieter's How many of you would like to spend some time (one day or more) barnstorming around central CA after the Hollister gathering? It would be a fun time for all. I am interested, anyone else??? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397653#397653 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another entroduction From: "CraigAho" Thank you all for the Welcomes, It is especially nice to know that my Friend Mike Cuy is active on the list. I have already incorporated some features from Mikes aircraft with my current build as I had lots of pictures and diagrams Mike had shared with me while he and I were building. I have had the desire to build the split Axel gear but think I will stick with the straight Axel mainly because I still have all the parts and my fuselage fittings etc. are made for the wood gear. I would like to use brakes like the disc brakes on Mikes and will have to look through my old pictures and videos to remember how they are actuated. I think they are heel type? I will be building a little bit simpler this build with no upholstery etc. I will start taking pictures of my build for the list. I sure have enjoyed all the Beautiful Pietenpols that all of you have been building. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397654#397654 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:04 AM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Frazier Lake Paul=2C Would be great if your schedule worked out=2C Looks like we will have seve ral piets there this year if the weather is good. Hope to see you there . Vic NX414MV > From: gboothe5@comcast.net > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Frazier Lake > Date: Mon=2C 1 Apr 2013 12:19:19 -0700 > > > > Paul=2C > > My guess is 1.5 - 2 hrs=2C depending on traffic. Sure would like to see y ou > there..... > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare > Sent: Monday=2C April 01=2C 2013 11:16 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend so me > time building > > --> > > Looks great Mark! Refresh my memory=2C is that 2 inches wider and deeper? > Looks nice and roomy. I may see you west coast guys at your flyin. I ofte n > have sfo layovers. How long of a drive is frazier lake from sfo? > > -------- > Paul Donahue > Started 8-3-12 > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397545#397545 > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:26 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: before the wheel was invented That was funny in the olden days when I looked thru my Pietenpol files (paper) a few months ago and I ran across all kinds of letters (hand written, not printed out) and photos, some of which were photos Craig sent to me to show me his progress on his Pietenpol. Those were the kind of photos where you took a roll of film to the drug store and actually had to wait an hour or a day or two to get prints. I'm amazed at how far we've come with technology when I look thru my files from the early to mid 1990's. And Craig---in case the other guys haven't mentioned it yet you just HAVE to check out Chris Tracy's Westcoast Piet site. There are a ZILLION photos of tons of Piet projects on there and completed Piets and many build-in-progress photos. This could keep a Piet enthusiast busy for hours and hours, just looking at all these great photos and ideas others have shared and Chris has been so kind to share----check it out when you get a chance. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/ Mike C. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:09 AM PST US From: "Charles Burkholder" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature Ya I found it strange. I don't have to worry about it now because I brought the fuselage down into the warm basement..... Where there's a will there's a way:-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:19 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature > > I find it curious that, if a manufacturer were concerned about application > temps, they would bury the info on a website. > > Charles - Speaking anecdotally, and to your desire to get something done > while awaiting the first blossoms of Spring, just last Friday night I > re-varnished my prop with Minwax Spar Varnish Semi Satin. It was about 50 > deg when I started and temps got down to 38 that night. Next morning it > was > ready for transportation to the hangar. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:41 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature > > > Actually Minwax does publish a min temp on their site under "basics of > wood > preparation" > > I just typed "temperature" into the search function on the home page. > > TEMPERATURE AND HUMIDITY > > All wood finishing products depend on evaporation during the drying > process. > Low air temperatures and high relative humidity slow evaporation and > increase the length of time your wood project will remain tacky. Before > starting your wood project, make sure the temperature will remain above 65 > degrees and the humidity around 50% during both application and the drying > process. > > I think Bill's recommendation of "around room temp" would probably work > for > nearly all products. Lager yeast being the only exception I can think of, > unless you want a steam style beer... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397642#397642 > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ...and welcome Craig! From: "CraigAho" Thank you Douwe, I enjoy all your articles in the BPA newsletters. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397662#397662 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:21 AM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time buildin Mark I will be driving over again this year with the trunk full of ice chests ag ain. The plan is for Mandy to fly front seat with Mike. Looks like George will be flying with them in his piet as well. A great addition to the gro up. Thanks Looking forward to visitiing again. Vic NX414MV > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend so me time buildin > From: mark.rbrts1@gmail.com > Date: Mon=2C 1 Apr 2013 19:09:43 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > om> > > Thanks guys! > > I am looking forward to Frazier Lake! It will be good to see everyone aga in. AND=2C there will be at least 2 NEW Piets there (will Mike let you ride in the front seat on the way over Vic =3B-) > > Poor Charlie's won't be the only Piet there this year! I'm sure he got ti red of wiping off all the drool from us Pieters in Progress... > > Thanks for the kind words. Feels good to make some progress... > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397608#397608 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:35 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West coast Pieter's Would this be restricted to Pietenpols only? Mine is not ready, but would consider going along in my Waiex or Aeronca. Aeronca is NORCO, except hand-held. Ray Krause! SkyScout in progress Sent from my iPad On Apr 2, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > Pieter's > > How many of you would like to spend some time (one day or more) barnstorming around central CA after the Hollister gathering? It would be a fun time for all. I am interested, anyone else??? > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397653#397653 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West coast Pieter's From: Michael Groah What did you have in mind? I have to work on that Monday ( that's the last week of school and as a teacher I can't be gone). But I'm planning on camping at the gathering so Sunday I still have open. Mike Groah Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > Pieter's > > How many of you would like to spend some time (one day or more) barnstorming around central CA after the Hollister gathering? It would be a fun time for all. I am interested, anyone else??? > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397653#397653 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West coast Pieter's From: "AircamperN11MS" Ray, It's not important what anyone fly's. It is all about the fun in doing it. If it fly's, it is welcome in my book. Just looking to have some fun and seeing new airports and people. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397669#397669 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West coast Pieter's From: "AircamperN11MS" Mike, All I have in mind is some more flying and more camping. Anything goes in my book. No real destinations in mind yet. Heck, just thinking out loud here, maybe we could fly to other builders local airports and visit their projects? just one idea. Take the gathering to their house. Do some pointing, snickering and wishing I had done that to my plane stuff. Other ideas are welcome, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397670#397670 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West coast Pieter's From: Michael Groah That sounds like a lot of fun! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2013, at 11:04 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > Mike, > > All I have in mind is some more flying and more camping. Anything goes in my book. No real destinations in mind yet. Heck, just thinking out loud here, maybe we could fly to other builders local airports and visit their projects? just one idea. Take the gathering to their house. Do some pointing, snickering and wishing I had done that to my plane stuff. > > Other ideas are welcome, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397670#397670 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:18 PM PST US From: "Mike Rich" Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Builder just starting Hello everyone, my name is Mike Rich from the Dallas Tx. area. A little about me. I have researched for the past two years many different aircraft that would be a good build starting with a Piet,and ending with a Piet. I've been in model aviation for 25 years winning some scale contest and have been around full scale aviation since I was a boy with my father and brother. They kept nagging me,"When are you going to get your license and start flying for real" ? Well I finally did, but there's still something missing. I'm not building anything and it's driving me nuts!! So I joined the EAA,BPA ect. and was told this was the place to get advice if I want to build a Pietenpol Air Camper. Everyone in the Piet community has been very nice and down to earth...I love it. I feel I'm finally with the right group of aviators. I have thus far built a mockup from "Flying and Glider" to see how I would fit, bought all the Benglis books ect.So with that said, I need to order plans now. I'm 6'3" at 240 lbs. and I know I will need the longest fuse/ supplemental plans but I'm not sure about the rest. Do I order the whole shabang or just parts of it? Please advise,thanks. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Builder Introduction From: "K5YAC" Welcome Joe! Like Gary said... be sure to get in touch with the good folks at www.flycorvair.com if you haven't already. Also, another excellent site that you may already know about is Chris Tracy's www.westcoastpiet.com Be sure to keep us posted on your progress! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397684#397684 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Builder just starting From: "tools" Wow, off to a great start, welcome aboard! First, you ought to know folks are going to hound you to death if you don't at least post a few pics of the mockup! That's a great idea. Insofar as plans, I bought the whole shebang, and I'm pretty sure a lot of guys do, just for the heck of it. Seems there's some little detail in each drawing that's useful. Or someone will reference this or that, and you'll want to know what's going on. That being said, you really don't NEED any more than the FGM details... but all in all, it's not that much more money and from what I can tell about how you've attacked this project so far, I'd say go for it and even see if you can get a couple of drawings from Ken Perkins (details on building horns) and something else that I forget at the moment. As straight forward as this plane is, there's still TONS of details you'll need to be making decisions on (engines, airfoils, landing gear design, wheels, brakes, wing cutouts, front doors, etc). Some are easily changed later, others are not. The best advice I can think of at this point is to get your eyes and carcass INTO every Piet you can. Ask around, ask if you can climb in, sit there and make airplane noises, as much as possible. It seems EVERY Piet you'll see, has some detail that will catch your attention. Take LOTS of notes and pictures, put together a notebook. Go find local owners and builders. There's lots of details under the covering, so visiting folks at all stages of building holds as much value as seeing completed planes. Brodhead is highly recommended the weekend before Oshkosh, lots of eye candy and knowledgeable folks. No matter the variant, there's still lots of parts that are the same no matter what, so you'll have lots to do while deciding the rest. Like all elephants, this one is best eaten one bite at a time! Cheers! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397685#397685 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Builder just starting From: "K5YAC" Welcome Mike! Like tools said... get the whole shebang. As others have recently mentioned, www.westcoastpiet.com is a great resource too. Keep us posted! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397690#397690 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:07 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Snf Hey all I am leaving from St. Paul, Mn. going to Sun n Fun for all of the new people on the list since last year stop in at the wood workshop. Again the dates of the show this year will be April 9-15. We will be building a Pietenpol fuselage, also building wing ribs and working on a center section for a Piet. I hope we can meet lots of builders there. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:31 PM PST US From: "Mike Rich" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Builder just starting Hey thanks for the advise, all the decisions to make is part of the fun of it, you know eat sleep and breath it, drive your wife nuts talkin about it. Got some help so far from some really nice men, Mike Cuy,Bill Rewey,Chuck Gantzer, Hans Vandorvoort, and Mark C. in OK. He's a big man too you know. I mean BIG! ----- Original Message ----- From: "tools" Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Builder just starting > > Wow, off to a great start, welcome aboard! > > First, you ought to know folks are going to hound you to death if you > don't at least post a few pics of the mockup! That's a great idea. > > Insofar as plans, I bought the whole shebang, and I'm pretty sure a lot of > guys do, just for the heck of it. Seems there's some little detail in > each drawing that's useful. Or someone will reference this or that, and > you'll want to know what's going on. > > That being said, you really don't NEED any more than the FGM details... > but all in all, it's not that much more money and from what I can tell > about how you've attacked this project so far, I'd say go for it and even > see if you can get a couple of drawings from Ken Perkins (details on > building horns) and something else that I forget at the moment. > > As straight forward as this plane is, there's still TONS of details you'll > need to be making decisions on (engines, airfoils, landing gear design, > wheels, brakes, wing cutouts, front doors, etc). Some are easily changed > later, others are not. The best advice I can think of at this point is to > get your eyes and carcass INTO every Piet you can. Ask around, ask if you > can climb in, sit there and make airplane noises, as much as possible. > > It seems EVERY Piet you'll see, has some detail that will catch your > attention. Take LOTS of notes and pictures, put together a notebook. > > Go find local owners and builders. There's lots of details under the > covering, so visiting folks at all stages of building holds as much value > as seeing completed planes. > > Brodhead is highly recommended the weekend before Oshkosh, lots of eye > candy and knowledgeable folks. > > No matter the variant, there's still lots of parts that are the same no > matter what, so you'll have lots to do while deciding the rest. Like all > elephants, this one is best eaten one bite at a time! > > Cheers! > > Tools > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397685#397685 > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:10 PM PST US From: "Mike Rich" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Builder just starting Will do thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 4:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Builder just starting > > Welcome Mike! > > Like tools said... get the whole shebang. As others have recently > mentioned, www.westcoastpiet.com is a great resource too. > > Keep us posted! > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on > Landing Gear > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397690#397690 > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:53 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Snf I'll be there with Dick all week too. Ben Charvet On 4/2/2013 5:09 PM, Dick N wrote: > Hey all > I am leaving from St. Paul, Mn. going to Sun n Fun for all of the new > people on the list since last year stop in at the wood workshop. > Again the dates of the show this year will be April 9-15. > We will be building a Pietenpol fuselage, also building wing ribs and > working on a center section for a Piet. I hope we can meet lots of > builders there. > Dick N. > * > > > * -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:17 PM PST US From: Ryan M Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Snf Dick,=0A=0AI work near by, you can give me a call if you need any help when you are in town.=0A=0ARyan Michalkiewicz=0A863-258-2599=0A=0A=0A__________ ______________________=0A From: Dick N =0ATo: piet enpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:09 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Snf=0A =0A=0A =0AHey all =0AI am leaving from St. Paul, Mn . going to Sun n Fun =0Afor all of the new people on the list since last ye ar stop in at the wood =0Aworkshop.- Again the dates of the show this yea r will be April =0A9-15.=0AWe will be building a Pietenpol fuselage,- =0A also building wing ribs and working on a center section for a Piet.- I ho ========== ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:37 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welcome to Mike Rich from Dallas Good to see you on the list Mike and I'm not sure what you're talking about these fellas being nice and down to earth......they are a bunch of four-flushers and nudnicks:) ! Seriously, they are a good grou p of people and very helpful. We have builders and Piet enthusiasts from all walks of life from retired F -16 pilots and airline pilots to hang glider pilots and everything in between. We have the spectrum of engineers, worker bees, and you name it for career backgrounds and experience. I'm always amazed at who I meet on the list and when you get to know them you wonder "gosh....someone who flies 747's wants to build a Pietenpol for fun flying? Yep. Lots of them and guys like me who have never gone a ny further than having a simple private pilot license you'll find here. Sometimes you get great advice, sometimes you get lousy advice but when the lousy (or accidentally in error) advice comes up usually it will be duly noted but generally in a friendly and uplifting way. Somet imes not but that is the exception. And Mike.....one word of advice. To understand what is being said sometim es you have to know quotes from two aviation movies---The Great Waldo Pepper and Airplane. Things will make more sense when you see spastic quotes out of nowhere on the list then if you know these two movies which you prolly already do. And lastly, when in doubt do it like my Uncle Tony (Bingelis) suggests jus t to be on the safe side. Before Al Gore invented the Internet I relied FULLY on what Tony's books told me were sound and good building practices a nd you just can't go wrong with his advice as far as homebuilt airplanes go. Mike C. in Ohio [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2FCF.69A21A10] ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:27 PM PST US From: "Mike Rich" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Welcome to Mike Rich from Dallas That's advice well taken Mike, thanks. Hey I had question for you, in your DVD I didn't see the leather on the turtle deck. Did you add that to keep from scuffing up the paint getting in and out ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welcome to Mike Rich from Dallas Good to see you on the list Mike and I'm not sure what you're talking about these fellas being nice and down to earth..they are a bunch of four-flushers and nudnicksJ ! Seriously, they are a good group of people and very helpful. We have builders and Piet enthusiasts from all walks of life from retired F-16 pilots and airline pilots to hang glider pilots and everything in between. We have the spectrum of engineers, worker bees, and you name it for career backgrounds and experience. I'm always amazed at who I meet on the list and when you get to know them you wonder "gosh..someone who flies 747's wants to build a Pietenpol for fun flying? Yep. Lots of them and guys like me who have never gone any further than having a simple private pilot license you'll find here. Sometimes you get great advice, sometimes you get lousy advice but when the lousy (or accidentally in error) advice comes up usually it will be duly noted but generally in a friendly and uplifting way. Sometimes not but that is the exception. And Mike...one word of advice. To understand what is being said sometimes you have to know quotes from two aviation movies---The Great Waldo Pepper and Airplane. Things will make more sense when you see spastic quotes out of nowhere on the list then if you know these two movies which you prolly already do. And lastly, when in doubt do it like my Uncle Tony (Bingelis) suggests just to be on the safe side. Before Al Gore invented the Internet I relied FULLY on what Tony's books told me were sound and good building practices and you just can't go wrong with his advice as far as homebuilt airplanes go. Mike C. in Ohio ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:54 PM PST US From: Ryan M Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Snf for that matter, my offer also goes to my other Piet flying friends too.=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Ryan M =0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:58 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Snf =0A =0A=0ADick,=0A=0AI work near by, you can give me a call if you need any help when you are in town.=0A=0ARyan Michalkiewicz=0A863-258-2599=0A=0A=0A ________________________________=0A From: Dick N =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:09 PM =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Snf=0A =0A=0A =0AHey all =0AI am leaving from S t. Paul, Mn. going to Sun n Fun =0Afor all of the new people on the list si nce last year stop in at the wood =0Aworkshop.- Again the dates of the sh ow this year will be April =0A9-15.=0AWe will be building a Pietenpol fusel age,- =0Aalso building wing ribs and working on a center section for a Pi =============== ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:11 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: West coast Pieter's "Count me IN, even though I ain't got no head gear!" Ray's going to make us look bad in his Waiex... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West coast Pieter's --> < raykrause@frontiernet.net> Would this be restricted to Pietenpols only? Mine is not ready, but would consider going along in my Waiex or Aeronca. Aeronca is NORCO, except hand-held. Ray Krause! SkyScout in progress Sent from my iPad On Apr 2, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "AircamperN11MS" < Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote: > --> < Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> > > Pieter's > > How many of you would like to spend some time (one day or more) barnstorming around central CA after the Hollister gathering? It would be a fun time for all. I am interested, anyone else??? > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397653#397653 > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:51 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welcome to Mike Rich from Dallas "THESE ARE GOOD PEOPLE, AXEL!!" Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welcome to Mike Rich from Dallas Good to see you on the list Mike and I'm not sure what you're talking about these fellas being nice and down to earth..they are a bunch of four-flushers and nudnicksJ ! Seriously, they are a good group of people and very helpful. We have builders and Piet enthusiasts from all walks of life from retired F-16 pilots and airline pilots to hang glider pilots and everything in between. We have the spectrum of engineers, worker bees, and you name it for career backgrounds and experience. I'm always amazed at who I meet on the list and when you get to know them you wonder "gosh..someone who flies 747's wants to build a Pietenpol for fun flying? Yep. Lots of them and guys like me who have never gone any further than having a simple private pilot license you'll find here. Sometimes you get great advice, sometimes you get lousy advice but when the lousy (or accidentally in error) advice comes up usually it will be duly noted but generally in a friendly and uplifting way. Sometimes not but that is the exception. And Mike...one word of advice. To understand what is being said sometimes you have to know quotes from two aviation movies---The Great Waldo Pepper and Airplane. Things will make more sense when you see spastic quotes out of nowhere on the list then if you know these two movies which you prolly already do. And lastly, when in doubt do it like my Uncle Tony (Bingelis) suggests just to be on the safe side. Before Al Gore invented the Internet I relied FULLY on what Tony's books told me were sound and good building practices and you just can't go wrong with his advice as far as homebuilt airplanes go. Mike C. in Ohio Description: http://www.eaa.org/homebuilders/programs/images/bingelis.jpg ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:52 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Snf Thanks, I should have also mensioned Skip Gadd and Dave Aldrich will also be there. Thanks Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan M To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Snf for that matter, my offer also goes to my other Piet flying friends too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Ryan M To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Snf Dick, I work near by, you can give me a call if you need any help when you are in town. Ryan Michalkiewicz 863-258-2599 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Dick N To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Snf Hey all I am leaving from St. Paul, Mn. going to Sun n Fun for all of the new people on the list since last year stop in at the wood workshop. Again the dates of the show this year will be April 9-15. We will be building a Pietenpol fuselage, also building wing ribs and working on a center section for a Piet. I hope we can meet lots of builders there. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West coast Pieter's From: Michael Groah Yeah. I'm looking forward to seeing the waiex again. He did an awesome job . I'm sure his sky scout will look just as good. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > "Count me IN, even though I ain't got no head gear!" > > Ray's going to make us look bad in his Waiex... > > > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:42 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West coast Pieter's > > --> > > Would this be restricted to Pietenpols only? Mine is not ready, but woul d consider going along in my Waiex or Aeronca. Aeronca is NORCO, except han d-held. > > Ray Krause! > > SkyScout in progress > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 2, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wr ote: > > > --> > > > > Pieter's > > > > How many of you would like to spend some time (one day or more) barnstor ming around central CA after the Hollister gathering? It would be a fun ti me for all. I am interested, anyone else??? > > > > -------- > > Scott Liefeld > > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > > Steel Tube > > C-85-12 > > Wire Wheels > > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397653#397653 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: satellite tracking devices From: "Fun2av8" Hello All - I'm a Newbie to the wonderful world of Pietenpols. I am in the process of purchasing N687MB out of Sarasota. We do the ferry flight on the tail end of Sun-n-Fun back to Culpeper Virginia. I'm no stranger to tail draggers - been flying them for years for fun and in for even more fun at the Flying Circus in Bealeton Virginia (www.flyingcircusairshow.com) I owned a Maule for about 10 years. Gotta tell you - I am excited about my new Piet. I've since learned that there are several Piets in the local area and that I am hoping to hook up with them for the July run to Brodhead. I've been doing a lot of research on the satellite tracking devices. Out of all them, I like the The Spot Generation 2 (http://www.findmespot.com/en/) the best. It is a little pricey ($99 for the HW; $99 for the annual Service Plan; $50 for real-time tracking). There is a very detailed review on Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/SPOT-Satellite-GPS-Messenger-unit/product-reviews/B002PHRDQU/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1) By S. Brooks "N22Tango" (Central, TEXAS). I spent an hour or so on the phone with Customer Support discussing the review and asking questions. The review was in 2010 and a lot has changed since then. What I walked away with is that the Spot Connect $149 (http://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=116) which is a little black box about the size of a MiFi solves most of the complaints about the G2. As added bonus, you have more capabilities as you do everything using a SmartPhone. For me - this is a winning solution. I ordered one and will report back on how it works out. We'll be using it to track the ferry flight from Sarasota to Culpeper on April 15-16. -------- Jim McWhorter N687M (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397704#397704 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/spot_connect__smartphone_965.png ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:25 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: satellite tracking devices Welcome Jim! All sorts of Pietenpolers are welcomed here: Builders, owner/pilots, dreamers.... You bought 'Mr. Sam'? http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Mr.%20Sam/images/mr_sam.jpg Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fun2av8 Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: satellite tracking devices iflyga@fun2av8.com> Hello All - I'm a Newbie to the wonderful world of Pietenpols. I am in the process of purchasing N687MB out of Sarasota. We do the ferry flight on the tail end of Sun-n-Fun back to Culpeper Virginia. I'm no stranger to tail draggers - been flying them for years for fun and in for even more fun at the Flying Circus in Bealeton Virginia ( www.flyingcircusairshow.com) I owned a Maule for about 10 years. Gotta tell you - I am excited about my new Piet. I've since learned that there are several Piets in the local area and that I am hoping to hook up with them for the July run to Brodhead. I've been doing a lot of research on the satellite tracking devices. Out of all them, I like the The Spot Generation 2 ( http://www.findmespot.com/en/) the best. It is a little pricey ($99 for the HW; $99 for the annual Service Plan; $50 for real-time tracking). There is a very detailed review on Amazon.com ( http://www.amazon.com/SPOT-Satellite-GPS-Messenger-unit/product-reviews/B002 PHRDQU/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1) By S. Brooks "N22Tango" (Central, TEXAS). I spent an hour or so on the phone with Customer Support discussing the review and asking questions. The review was in 2010 and a lot has changed since then. What I walked away with is that the Spot Connect $149 ( http://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=116) which is a little black box about the size of a MiFi solves most of the complaints about the G2. As added bonus, you have more capabilities as you do everything using a SmartPhone. For me - this is a winning solution. I ordered one and wi! ll report back on how it works out. We'll be using it to track the ferry flight from Sarasota to Culpeper on April 15-16. -------- Jim McWhorter N687M (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397704#397704 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/spot_connect__smartphone_965.png http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:35 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West coast Pieter's Ok, then count me as in, depending on times, etc. Thank, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Apr 2, 2013, at 10:59 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > Ray, > > It's not important what anyone fly's. It is all about the fun in doing it. If it fly's, it is welcome in my book. Just looking to have some fun and seeing new airports and people. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397669#397669 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Builder Introduction From: "tools" Hey Joe, I'm a couple hours up the street in Chickamauga GA (near Chatt TN) and have a Piet (short fuse, one piece wing, a65) built by Dick Navatril. I'm also building one. I've got lots of shop resources if you need help (welders, wood working stuff, machine shop) or just need to borrow or use something, you're more than welcome. Also have a good Piet trailer (it's 32' long and can be towed safely by anything with a hitch) if you build a one piece wing. cell: 423 580 1383 email: n0kkj@yahoo.com Tools (aka Mike Danford) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397707#397707 ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time building From: "taildrags" I'm assuming that what you've got going on with the starboard side fuselage framing is the Kerri Ann Price drop-down passenger door mod? Can't imagine what else all that wood is needed for in that location. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397708#397708 ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time building From: "Mark Roberts" Yes sir! She saw the door on Charlie Miller's Piet and said "I want a door too!" (To be said in a slightly pouty, lower lip puckered out voice) I had already built the side, so I made some quick changes and will cut the top stringer late in the game... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397709#397709 ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West coast Pieter's From: "Mark Roberts" Hey guys... Plan a flight to Sierra Skypark, and I'll pick you upand drive you to see my project, then take you back to the airport to fly to your next stop... Just a thought. No hurt feelings if it doesn't work or you chose Monterey or SLO :D Those places would be fun too... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397710#397710 ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time buildin From: "Mark Roberts" Woo Hoo! Counting the days Vic! I hope to help with the prep stuff one of these years.... You and the Millers are great folks!! (Well, Mike too!) 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