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1. 04:22 AM - Re: Re: Cables; control and brace (Greg Cardinal)
2. 05:14 AM - chain links/shackles (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 05:59 AM - Re: chain links/shackles (nightmare)
4. 08:11 AM - Re: chain links/shackles (Jerry Dotson)
5. 08:28 AM - Re: Re: Hangar rats (Craig Aho)
6. 08:29 AM - Re: chain links/shackles (nightmare)
7. 08:31 AM - Re: West coast Pieter's (AircamperN11MS)
8. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: West coast Pieter's (gboothe5@comcast.net)
9. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Cables; control and brace (Jim Boyer)
10. 10:42 AM - Re: Cables; control and brace (tkreiner)
11. 10:52 AM - Re: Re: Cables; control and brace (Ken Bickers)
12. 12:41 PM - Re: chain links/shackles (Jerry Dotson)
13. 12:41 PM - Re: Craig , new to list (CraigAho)
14. 01:25 PM - Re: Cables; control and brace (Mark Roberts)
15. 01:53 PM - Re: Craig , new to list (CraigAho)
16. 02:04 PM - Re: Cables; control and brace (TOM STINEMETZE)
17. 06:21 PM - Re: Cables; control and brace (Mark Roberts)
18. 08:58 PM - straight axle landing gear (Oscar Zuniga)
19. 11:12 PM - Re: straight axle landing gear (Clif Dawson)
20. 11:21 PM - Alittle something of recent interest (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Mark,
See the attached. This is what you need. Note that this assembly uses an
AN111 bushing instead of an AN100 thimble.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:46 PM
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> <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
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> Ok guys:
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> I knew I had read about using chain links for cable connections, and a
> search of the archives produced the answers I was looking for... Kinda.
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> Kevin: was the chain clips you got from a Motorcycle shop? Not a regular
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> I think I want to use this method versus shackles. Dang shackles cost more
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> Jim: did the roller chain #50 links work well for you?
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> I am gearing up to start connecting all the welded pieces I've been making
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> Mark
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>> For Jim - Yes to the locking clip. I don't remember the sizes - sorry.
>> Had a friend bring several different sizes from a bike shop where he
>> worked. If I were to do it again I think I'd just use two female halves
>> and secure with appropriate hardware, like the pictures posted earlier in
>> this thread.
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>> Kevin
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| Subject: | chain links/shackles |
I have some motorcycle chain links in my control system and brake cable
connections. All the links from the elevator bellcrank are chain links and
a few others. I have replaced a few in the system with shackles for
aesthetics, but they are plenty strong.
I used to "female" sides and used two an bolts. Not a slick an assembly,
but easy to disassemble.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: chain links/shackles |
Would love to know which size chain link and an bolt if you have that info.
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| Subject: | Re: chain links/shackles |
Paul I used #50 chain and just separated the links. 1 pair of links has a 1/4"
hole and the other pair had a 3/16" hole. I used the links with the 3/16" hole
and AN3 bolts with castellated nuts.
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First flight June 16,2012
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Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Dan you did such a nice job on your Piet. Beautiful=2C I will have to explo
re this type of brake system for my new project. Looks real interesting all
though I think my small drum brakes seemed to work adequately on NX40772. C
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Gary=2C I also have installed cable operated band brakes (the ones sold by
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self-actuating when the airplane is trying to move forward? Or=2C the reve
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McMaster-Carr PN- 6224K348. When you get into the brake lining section on t
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Regarding your pony (band) brakes=2C would you share the type of brake lini
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| Subject: | Re: chain links/shackles |
Thanks Jerry, that sounds like the way to go for me. Did you buy from Mcmaster
Carr, or is that standard motorcycle linkage? Paul
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| Subject: | Re: West coast Pieter's |
Pieters,
I have been given the proper kitchen pass from my wife to have the whole week available
for this barnstorming adventure. The amount of time I use will depend
on the participation. When the last guy can no longer continue, I will go home.
I have told her that I don't want to get any more than a one day flight
away from home in case I need to return. That would mean that Red Bluff would
be as far north as I would want to go. I have an Aunt who is currently dieing
of cancer which could cause an early return home.
looking forward to it,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: West coast Pieter's |
WOW!! Throwing down the gauntlet! Fly 'till the last man standing...! If you hang around all week, you can stay for the Golden West Flyin, http://www.goldenwestflyin.org/ . My EAA Chapter has asked that I submit NX308MB for judging, as one of four planes from our chapter.
I seriously doubt that I'll be able to gypsy around with all you vagrants!
Gary Boothe
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Pieters,
I have been given the proper kitchen pass from my wife to have the whole week available
for this barnstorming adventure. The amount of time I use will depend
on the participation. When the last guy can no longer continue, I will go home.
I have told her that I don't want to get any more than a one day flight away
from home in case I need to return. That would mean that Red Bluff would be
as far north as I would want to go. I have an Aunt who is currently dieing of
cancer which could cause an early return home.
looking forward to it,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Mark I also used #50 chain masters I got at Home Depot. They work very well,
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Greg,
Thanks for the nice drawing of all the pieces.... How does one go about breaking
the chain to get the plates apart?
Did you use black steel, Stainless, what? I see that McMaster has lots of different
chain, as low as about $5 per foot...
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| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Tom, the easy way is to buy connector links. One side is already off. It
is easy to pop the pins out of the other side by positioning the link with
the pin over a hole in your work bench, anvil, or other backing pad, and
just giving the pin a quick tap with a hammer. It will slide right out.
By the way, I bought mine from Fastenal. Size 50. Used with AN3 bolts,
and castellated nuts. Cheers, Ken
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| Subject: | Re: chain links/shackles |
Tractor supply has it. It is just standard #50 roller chain......
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Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Craig , new to list |
I'm Just like everyone else and I like to see pictures and especially small details
to see how others do things and so I am looking every place there are pictures
of Pietenpols. I am currently working on the Wing center section parts and
the landing gear. This time around I am building the 3 piece wing and will
use the trailing edge cutout like Mike C's and others I just completed cutting
the new fittings, The plans call for 1/4" bolts to join the panels and that seems
small but I'm sure that it is well proven. On my Gear It may be cheaper for
me to buy a new Axel instead of trying to straighten out the old one that has
a noticeable bow in the middle. I also will incorporate the anti rotation method
of Mikes ship (Sorry for picking on you Mike) but wonder does the vertical
tube ride at a close tolerance or kind of lose in the receiver? I must have
a diagram that mike probably sent me years ago. :?
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| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Thanks Guys!
I appreciate the info. I guess I am looking for the actual chain and disassemble
the links, or is ther #50 masters a type of link (another name for a connector
link that has the clip on one side...) I will stop at The Home Depot on the
way home.
Thanks again!
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Craig , new to list |
Sure enough I found diagrams from you Mike that are very nicely drawn showing the
brakes and trim systems you used. Thanks again.
Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Mark:
I purchased a length of #50 chain from Tractor Supply along with a Chain Breaker
(around $10) which makes short work of separating the links. For less than
$20 you can have a drawer full of links.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> 4/4/2013 3:24 PM >>>
Thanks Guys!
I appreciate the info. I guess I am looking for the actual chain and disassemble
the links, or is ther #50 masters a type of link (another name for a connector
link that has the clip on one side...) I will stop at The Home Depot on the
way home.
Thanks again!
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Thanks Tom! Just what I needed.
We've got plenty of tractor supply stores around here in the CA Central Valley.
I'll have a look there.
Thanks again!
Mark
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| Subject: | straight axle landing gear |
John Dilatush's "Mountain Piet" (now Greg Bacon's) uses a pair of torque tu
bes connected to the landing gear axle with chain links to keep it from rot
ating. I don't have any closeups of the arrangement=2C but there are some
photos here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html . Maybe Greg
has some closeups of the anti-rotation setup on Mountain Piet? It looks l
ike the torque tubes are rigidly fastened between the ash gear legs and the
axle moves up and down between them but the links restrain the axle from a
ny rotation. Also on the page listed above=2C about 2/3 way down=2C is a cl
ear photo of the chain links that John used in place of clevis bits to join
his cables to the control bellcranks. Far less cost and probably less did
dling around than the clevis pin=2C washer=2C and cotter pin way. Oscar Zun
igaMedford=2C ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"proud member of the West Coast Pie
t Squadron
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| Subject: | Re: straight axle landing gear |
I've ignored axle rotation. I didn't want to drill
holes or weld anything to the axle. Just my
own paranoia. What can I say. :-)
So here's a couple of pics of my antirotation
device.
Also the chain link is less costly but since there
are two clevis, two cotters and two plates I
think there's somewhat more diddling.
Diddling is not necessarily a bad thing.
Depends on who's helping............ :-)
Clif
Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.
Einstein
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga
To: Pietenpol List
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 8:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: straight axle landing gear
John Dilatush's "Mountain Piet" (now Greg Bacon's) uses a pair of
torque tubes connected to the landing gear axle with chain links to keep
it from rotating. I don't have any closeups of the arrangement, but
there are some photos here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html . Maybe Greg has some
closeups of the anti-rotation setup on Mountain Piet? It looks like the
torque tubes are rigidly fastened between the ash gear legs and the axle
moves up and down between them but the links restrain the axle from any
rotation.
Also on the page listed above, about 2/3 way down, is a clear photo of
the chain links that John used in place of clevis bits to join his
cables to the control bellcranks. Far less cost and probably less
diddling around than the clevis pin, washer, and cotter pin way.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
proud member of the West Coast Piet Squadron
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
04/04/13
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| Subject: | Alittle something of recent interest |
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