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1. 03:19 AM - Re: Re: Cables; control and brace (Jack)
2. 04:37 AM - "A"issues (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 05:05 AM - Re: Re: Stabilizer brackets.. (Gary Boothe)
4. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: Stabilizer brackets.. (Jack)
5. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: Stabilizer brackets.. (Ray Krause)
6. 07:02 AM - Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (kevinpurtee)
7. 07:09 AM - Re: chain links (kevinpurtee)
8. 07:40 AM - Re: satellite tracking devices (kevinpurtee)
9. 10:35 AM - winning and losing (Oscar Zuniga)
10. 11:09 AM - Re: winning and losing (Gary Boothe)
11. 11:31 AM - An Inquiry (Isablcorky@aol.com)
12. 11:46 AM - Re: An Inquiry (Jack Phillips)
13. 11:55 AM - Re: An Inquiry (Isablcorky@aol.com)
14. 12:40 PM - Re: An Inquiry (taildrags)
15. 01:47 PM - Re: Piet project for sale (899PM)
16. 08:05 PM - Re: Stabilizer brackets.. (Jim Boyer)
17. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: Stabilizer brackets.. (Jim Boyer)
18. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: chain links (Ray Krause)
19. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Stabilizer brackets.. (Jim Boyer)
20. 08:10 PM - Re: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (Jim Boyer)
21. 08:13 PM - Re: winning and losing (Jim Boyer)
22. 08:17 PM - Re: An Inquiry (Jim Boyer)
23. 08:26 PM - Pulleys or "through the seat" ? (Mark Roberts)
24. 08:45 PM - Re: Stabilizer brackets.. (Ray Krause)
25. 08:47 PM - Re: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (Ray Krause)
26. 08:52 PM - Re: winning and losing (Ray Krause)
27. 10:32 PM - Re: Stabilizer brackets.. (Gary Boothe)
28. 10:36 PM - Re: Pulleys or "through the seat" ? (Gary Boothe)
29. 10:59 PM - Progress! (Mark Roberts)
30. 11:02 PM - Re: Pulleys or "through the seat" ? (Mark Roberts)
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Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
I once tried to drill out a link, does not work in hardened state...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Apr 4, 2013, at 4:04 PM, "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
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> Mark:
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> I purchased a length of #50 chain from Tractor Supply along with a Chain Breaker
(around $10) which makes short work of separating the links. For less than
$20 you can have a drawer full of links.
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> Tom Stinemetze
> N328X
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>>>> "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> 4/4/2013 3:24 PM >>>
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> Thanks Guys!
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> I appreciate the info. I guess I am looking for the actual chain and disassemble
the links, or is ther #50 masters a type of link (another name for a connector
link that has the clip on one side...) I will stop at The Home Depot on
the way home.
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Hey Jeff,
Good to hear you're running her around. Can't wait to hear (and see pics
please!) when she flies.
I had an "A" on mine originally and did years of research, but some of it is
now a bit hazy, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.
Most guys seem to run the Ford with a 76X42 or 44. Cruise is really a
subjective thing though, dictated by personal taste, weight and prop/engine
combo. Some guys like to "cruise" along and smell the flowers, while some
like to "cruise" along with a purpose and get where they're going a few
minutes sooner. That being said, 1800-2000 is certainly the common range,
2000 being on the high side I think.
Re the venting from your overflow, I'm not sure this is what yours is doing,
but it is common for a Ford to vent during a climb. I think most run it a
bit full and it has to find it's "level" as it expands. I assume your water
temp is fine?
Good luck!
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Stabilizer brackets.. |
Thinking about waxing my plane for xtra speedwhat do they use
on those P-51=99s at Reno?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stabilizer brackets..
Winner or loser! The guy is second place is the first loser! Gary is
so COMPETATIVE,
Ray
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 5, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
Ray what is the difference between 75 mph and 75.2 mph?
Jim
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Subject: | Re: Stabilizer brackets.. |
Snot...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Apr 6, 2013, at 7:04 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Thinking about waxing my plane for xtra speedwhat do they use on t
hose P-51=99s at Reno?
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> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:26 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stabilizer brackets..
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> Winner or loser! The guy is second place is the first loser! Gary is so C
OMPETATIVE,
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> Ray
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> On Apr 5, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Ray what is the difference between 75 mph and 75.2 mph?
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Subject: | Re: Stabilizer brackets.. |
See, I told you!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:04 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Thinking about waxing my plane for xtra speedwhat do they use on t
hose P-51=99s at Reno?
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> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:26 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stabilizer brackets..
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> Winner or loser! The guy is second place is the first loser! Gary is so C
OMPETATIVE,
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> On Apr 5, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Ray what is the difference between 75 mph and 75.2 mph?
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Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
Agree with Jack. I've crammed big people in the front and regretted it. Enjoy
your airplane with light passengers.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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All motorcycle chain links with the spring clips were still in place and intact
after running the airplane into the ground nose down from 200'. No issues during
the 340 hours of successful flight prior to impact.
I did safety wire them to get the IAs off my back.
For the rebuild, I will use the hardware Greg Cardinal describes to terminate the
end of the cables in the places I choose to use master links.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | Re: satellite tracking devices |
If you're using your smart phone for tracking remember this:
When I hit the ground in July my phone bent around my femur (the femur that was
shattered). Needless to say, the phone doesn't work anymore. The SPOT tracker,
on the other hand, is alive and well. I don't know if the SPOT people have
provisions for damage to the telephone with their new device, but it'd be worth
checking before you spend the money.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | winning and losing |
What's the difference between 75 and 75.2 MPH? Let's take an example. A g
ood x-c leg in Scout is about 2 hours. After that amount of time=2C I'm lo
oking for a place to get out and stretch=2C gas up=2C whatever. In that am
ount of time=2C if Scout is making 75 MPH (overly optimistic=2C but still)
and the other airplane (probably Fat Bottom Girl=2C which can easily cruise
that fast) is making 75.2 MPH=2C Axel will be turning base leg when I'm en
tering downwind to the destination field. Not a gnat's hair of difference
=2C in my opinion. So go ahead and mount the tail brace wire attach tabs be
low the fabric and pick up that extra 0.2 MPH advantage. Scout has the tab
s mounted on top of the fabric and it makes a lot of things easier that way
. Maybe I should take the tabs off and shape their leading and trailing ed
ges into more of an airfoil shape to regain the advantage-? Oscar ZunigaMed
ford=2C ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A-75 power do not archive
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Subject: | Re: winning and losing |
Hmmm...shaping the leading edges of the brackets! Great idea, Oscar!
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 6, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> What's the difference between 75 and 75.2 MPH? Let's take an example. A g
ood x-c leg in Scout is about 2 hours. After that amount of time, I'm looki
ng for a place to get out and stretch, gas up, whatever. In that amount of t
ime, if Scout is making 75 MPH (overly optimistic, but still) and the other a
irplane (probably Fat Bottom Girl, which can easily cruise that fast) is mak
ing 75.2 MPH, Axel will be turning base leg when I'm entering downwind to th
e destination field.
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> Not a gnat's hair of difference, in my opinion. So go ahead and mount the t
ail brace wire attach tabs below the fabric and pick up that extra 0.2 MPH a
dvantage. Scout has the tabs mounted on top of the fabric and it makes a lo
t of things easier that way. Maybe I should take the tabs off and shape the
ir leading and trailing edges into more of an airfoil shape to regain the ad
vantage-?
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A-75 power
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Hi Pieters,
My name is Claude Corbett also identified as Corky by some of the older
members of this net. I came on the scene in 2000. Had my plans purchased since
1989. While searching for a rebuildable Model A or B engine I encountered
a pitiful looking T Model. Bought it and spent the nineties rebuilding Ts
and Four cyl Dodge Bros.
Finally in 2000 I decided to begin Pieting only to find my plans were for a
GN. Disposed of those and bought the package from Mr Pietenpol. Ordered my
wood, douglas fir, and began milling it to size when suddenly one morning
in July I read an e mail where this Pieter in Zion, Il was selling hi
project. Made a telephone deal with Mr Joe Chapliski and was in business. Zion
isn't across the street from Shreveport, La.
Got busy and finished the Piet, NX41CC, now owned by Mr Oscar Zuniga of
Medford ,Oregon.
I flew it the last time at the age of 81. Beautiful little bird even if I
say so.
Now I know if there are any readers still looking are wondering "what's
this old fart writing about"? Well I'll just lay it out in 1 2 3 order
1 Wife in nursing home
2 Am living in an apartment with adequate space for a work bench
3 Needing some project to keep me from losing my "willies". I've always had
to be building.
I've thought about many options and the best I've come up with is to build
sets of wing ribs. It would help those short of building and get them in
the air much sooner. I have no idea if there is even a need or demand for
such a service as that is the purpose of this epistle.
>From my little experience I would prefer using the high quality douglas fir
I've found from a company in Port Townsend, Wa. Less expensive and hardly
any heavier than spruce while stronger. Instead of 1/2 X 1/4 cap strip I
would prefer 7/16X 1/4 on vertical grain. Lighter, stronger and somewhat less
expensive. However, I could and would build to one's specs.
Now for the tariff. I have not the slightest clue. I can only say that I'm
not a rich man and not a poor man and a profit is the least motive. I'm
looking for a project to keep this young 90 yr old out of trouble.
Will you be so kind as to express you thoughts on this subject without any
commitments. I will be most appreciative.
Yours in a Piet
Corky
318 734 0386
318 455 7435
_Isablcorky@aol.com_ (mailto:Isablcorky@aol.com)
I will name several references without their prior approval,
Oscar Zuniga
Mike Cuy
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Hey Corky! Good to hear you're alive and kicking. Sorry to hear your bride
is in a nursing home, though.
Did you ever get that L-3 Aeronca Defender flying?
Any chance you'll be able to make it to Brodhead this summer? I'll bet if
you did, and brought a couple of sets of ribs with you, you could sell them
pretty easily. Since Charlie Rubeck is no longer making rib sets, I think
you'll find a ready market. I don't remember what he charged, but his ribs
were well made and were sought after.
Keep in touch, and try to make Brodhead this year. There are going to be a
number of new Pietenpols there for the first time this year.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Isablcorky@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: An Inquiry
Hi Pieters,
My name is Claude Corbett also identified as Corky by some of the older
members of this net. I came on the scene in 2000. Had my plans purchased
since 1989. While searching for a rebuildable Model A or B engine I
encountered a pitiful looking T Model. Bought it and spent the nineties
rebuilding Ts and Four cyl Dodge Bros.
Finally in 2000 I decided to begin Pieting only to find my plans were for a
GN. Disposed of those and bought the package from Mr Pietenpol. Ordered my
wood, douglas fir, and began milling it to size when suddenly one morning in
July I read an e mail where this Pieter in Zion, Il was selling hi project.
Made a telephone deal with Mr Joe Chapliski and was in business. Zion isn't
across the street from Shreveport, La.
Got busy and finished the Piet, NX41CC, now owned by Mr Oscar Zuniga of
Medford ,Oregon.
I flew it the last time at the age of 81. Beautiful little bird even if I
say so.
Now I know if there are any readers still looking are wondering "what's this
old fart writing about"? Well I'll just lay it out in 1 2 3 order
1 Wife in nursing home
2 Am living in an apartment with adequate space for a work bench
3 Needing some project to keep me from losing my "willies". I've always had
to be building.
I've thought about many options and the best I've come up with is to build
sets of wing ribs. It would help those short of building and get them in the
air much sooner. I have no idea if there is even a need or demand for such a
service as that is the purpose of this epistle.
>From my little experience I would prefer using the high quality douglas fir
I've found from a company in Port Townsend, Wa. Less expensive and hardly
any heavier than spruce while stronger. Instead of 1/2 X 1/4 cap strip I
would prefer 7/16X 1/4 on vertical grain. Lighter, stronger and somewhat
less expensive. However, I could and would build to one's specs.
Now for the tariff. I have not the slightest clue. I can only say that I'm
not a rich man and not a poor man and a profit is the least motive. I'm
looking for a project to keep this young 90 yr old out of trouble.
Will you be so kind as to express you thoughts on this subject without any
commitments. I will be most appreciative.
Yours in a Piet
Corky
318 734 0386
318 455 7435
Isablcorky@aol.com
I will name several references without their prior approval,
Oscar Zuniga
Mike Cuy
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In a message dated 4/6/2013 1:46:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
jack@bedfordlandings.com writes:
Hey Corky! Good to hear you=99re alive and kicking. Sorry to hear
your
bride is in a nursing home, though.
Did you ever get that L-3 Aeronca Defender flying?
Any chance you=99ll be able to make it to Brodhead this summer? I
=99ll bet
if you did, and brought a couple of sets of ribs with you, you could sell
them pretty easily. Since Charlie Rubeck is no longer making rib sets, I
think you=99ll find a ready market. I don=99t remember what h
e charged, but his
ribs were well made and were sought after.
Keep in touch, and try to make Brodhead this year. There are going to be
a number of new Pietenpols there for the first time this year.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky
@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: An Inquiry
Hi Pieters,
My name is Claude Corbett also identified as Corky by some of the older
members of this net. I came on the scene in 2000. Had my plans purchased
since 1989. While searching for a rebuildable Model A or B engine I encoun
tered
a pitiful looking T Model. Bought it and spent the nineties rebuilding Ts
and Four cyl Dodge Bros.
Finally in 2000 I decided to begin Pieting only to find my plans were for
a GN. Disposed of those and bought the package from Mr Pietenpol. Ordered
my wood, douglas fir, and began milling it to size when suddenly one morni
ng
in July I read an e mail where this Pieter in Zion, Il was selling hi
project. Made a telephone deal with Mr Joe Chapliski and was in business.
Zion
isn't across the street from Shreveport, La.
Got busy and finished the Piet, NX41CC, now owned by Mr Oscar Zuniga of
Medford ,Oregon.
I flew it the last time at the age of 81. Beautiful little bird even if I
say so.
Now I know if there are any readers still looking are wondering "what's
this old fart writing about"? Well I'll just lay it out in 1 2 3 order
1 Wife in nursing home
2 Am living in an apartment with adequate space for a work bench
3 Needing some project to keep me from losing my "willies". I've always
had to be building.
I've thought about many options and the best I've come up with is to build
sets of wing ribs. It would help those short of building and get them in
the air much sooner. I have no idea if there is even a need or demand for
such a service as that is the purpose of this epistle.
>From my little experience I would prefer using the high quality douglas
fir I've found from a company in Port Townsend, Wa. Less expensive and har
dly
any heavier than spruce while stronger. Instead of 1/2 X 1/4 cap strip I
would prefer 7/16X 1/4 on vertical grain. Lighter, stronger and somewhat
less expensive. However, I could and would build to one's specs.
Now for the tariff. I have not the slightest clue. I can only say that I'm
not a rich man and not a poor man and a profit is the least motive. I'm
looking for a project to keep this young 90 yr old out of trouble.
Will you be so kind as to express you thoughts on this subject without any
commitments. I will be most appreciative.
Yours in a Piet
Corky
318 734 0386
318 455 7435
_Isablcorky@aol.com_ (mailto:Isablcorky@aol.com)
I will name several references without their prior approval,
Oscar Zuniga
Mike Cuy
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Hadn't thought about Brodhead but could be something to look forward to.
Thanks for the reply, Didn't know if any on the net would remember me.
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Corky; how could we forget you? Sorry to hear about Isabelle, but we do hope that
she is receiving good care and only hope to do as well and live as long as
you and she have.
To the best of my recollection, Charlie Rubeck was selling his sets of ribs for
$300. I believe there are 29 ribs from tip to tip so if we call it 30 ribs total
(one to keep for a template for future repairs), you're looking at $10 a
rib, sell price.
Greetings from the green Pacific Northwest! I hope to be flying Scout as soon
as I can get the wings back on and get a condition inspection.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Piet project for sale |
SOLD.
I will miss a lot of you guys. Happy Landings!
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PAPA MIKE
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Subject: | Re: Stabilizer brackets.. |
Hi Ray,
My cabane struts are steel streamline from AS&S; I am going to use the aluminium
wing struts from Carlson Aircraft. I belied Dan Helsper used them on his Piet.
He had some really nice photos of how to connect them at each end; they are
on Chris Tracy's West Coast Piet site.
Cheers,
Jim
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Subject: | Re: Stabilizer brackets.. |
Thats okay that Gary is competitive; my PIet is standoff scale anyway. Gary is
too much of a craftsman.
Jim
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Thanks, Kevin!
I really appreciate your comments, your experiences carry a lot of validation.
Hope you get your plane back in the air pretty soon.
Ray Krause
SkyScout
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On Apr 6, 2013, at 7:09 AM, "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
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> All motorcycle chain links with the spring clips were still in place and intact
after running the airplane into the ground nose down from 200'. No issues
during the 340 hours of successful flight prior to impact.
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> I did safety wire them to get the IAs off my back.
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> For the rebuild, I will use the hardware Greg Cardinal describes to terminate
the end of the cables in the places I choose to use master links.
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> Rebuilding NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | Re: Stabilizer brackets.. |
Yeah, but like Jack said; what they use to polish them is not something you want
to be around...long.
I was going to suggest White Lead; its more slippery than regular lead.
Jim
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Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
Yeah Kevin but you young farts can bend in places those of us more mature cannot.
Jim
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Subject: | Re: winning and losing |
Actually Oscar shaping the brace cables in a streamline shape is what would reduce
the drag of the Piet.
Round tubes and cables are the worst drag shape period.
Jim
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Hi Corky,
I would think that ribs and maybe even the tail surfaces might be something to
help other builders just starting (but tail surfaces are good to build to get
the idea of how to do Piet stuff).
Use to be a guy who always came to Brodhead with rib sets but didn't see him 2011.
Jim
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Subject: | Pulleys or "through the seat" ? |
Seeings as how we all want to make Mr. Pietenpol's airplane just "that much better"
than he designed it, I am wondering how many of you have opted for running
the 1/8" elevator cables through the seat bottom cross brace as shown on the
plans, or used pulleys as I have felt inclined to do. I see a few pics from the
guys that have used pulleys, but don't remember seeing any where they drilled
holes as shown on the plans through the rear seat bottom cross member.
As I am at the point of needing to run the cable, I am trying to decide if I am
going to have to wait until I can afford to buy more stuff from ACS, or if the
wood guide is "good 'nuf". I need to get the nico press stuff and all that
too...
What are your recommendations?
Thanks guys!
Mark
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Subject: | Re: Stabilizer brackets.. |
Thanks, Jim. I remember they were pretty thin (fore and aft) and looked rea
lly neat. I am copying Gary's (?) and trying to make them out of wood. I ma
de one set and did not like them, started a new set today. Sure takes a lot o
f stickum to laminate them!
Gary, hat wood did you use?
Thanks,
Ray Krause
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On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi Ray,
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> My cabane struts are steel streamline from AS&S; I am going to use the alu
minium wing struts from Carlson Aircraft. I belied Dan Helsper used them on h
is Piet. He had some really nice photos of how to connect them at each end; t
hey are on Chris Tracy's West Coast Piet site.
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> Cheers,
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> Jim
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Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
Jim,
I bent in the same place and broke nine weeks ago, I'm mostly all healed now
and I am 71! So there's hope for us old farts.
Ray Krause
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On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
> Yeah Kevin but you young farts can bend in places those of us more mature c
annot.
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Subject: | Re: winning and losing |
And if you are not careful, you would have to re-rig your plane do to unequa
l lifting bodies on the tail surfaces..... Competition is so complicated!
Ray Krause
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On Apr 6, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> What's the difference between 75 and 75.2 MPH? Let's take an example. A g
ood x-c leg in Scout is about 2 hours. After that amount of time, I'm looki
ng for a place to get out and stretch, gas up, whatever. In that amount of t
ime, if Scout is making 75 MPH (overly optimistic, but still) and the other a
irplane (probably Fat Bottom Girl, which can easily cruise that fast) is mak
ing 75.2 MPH, Axel will be turning base leg when I'm entering downwind to th
e destination field.
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> Not a gnat's hair of difference, in my opinion. So go ahead and mount the t
ail brace wire attach tabs below the fabric and pick up that extra 0.2 MPH a
dvantage. Scout has the tabs mounted on top of the fabric and it makes a lo
t of things easier that way. Maybe I should take the tabs off and shape the
ir leading and trailing edges into more of an airfoil shape to regain the ad
vantage-?
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A-75 power
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> do not archive
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Subject: | Stabilizer brackets.. |
Hickory. 3 laminations, 1=9D thick x 2 =C2=BC=9D.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stabilizer brackets..
Thanks, Jim. I remember they were pretty thin (fore and aft) and looked
really neat. I am copying Gary's (?) and trying to make them out of
wood. I made one set and did not like them, started a new set today.
Sure takes a lot of stickum to laminate them!
Gary, hat wood did you use?
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi Ray,
My cabane struts are steel streamline from AS&S; I am going to use the
aluminium wing struts from Carlson Aircraft. I belied Dan Helsper used
them on his Piet. He had some really nice photos of how to connect them
at each end; they are on Chris Tracy's West Coast Piet site.
Cheers,
Jim
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Subject: | Pulleys or "through the seat" ? |
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that even the purest of the purists
would agree that letting the cables rub on the wood should be avoided. We
have the technology...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 8:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pulleys or "through the seat" ?
--> <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Seeings as how we all want to make Mr. Pietenpol's airplane just "that much
better" than he designed it, I am wondering how many of you have opted for
running the 1/8" elevator cables through the seat bottom cross brace as
shown on the plans, or used pulleys as I have felt inclined to do. I see a
few pics from the guys that have used pulleys, but don't remember seeing any
where they drilled holes as shown on the plans through the rear seat bottom
cross member.
As I am at the point of needing to run the cable, I am trying to decide if I
am going to have to wait until I can afford to buy more stuff from ACS, or
if the wood guide is "good 'nuf". I need to get the nico press stuff and
all that too...
What are your recommendations?
Thanks guys!
Mark
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Well, dang.
Almost done with all the work my current money has left. (Daughter getting married
in 7 weeks, or 49 days but who's counting...). But, I have the main control
system in place and all the varnish painting supply's ready.
Thought I'd post a few pictures tonight. Rudder pedals, control tubes, rudder bar,
control stick assembly with removable front stick (so I can pack an overnight
tent/sleeping bag in front for fly-ins), and elevator pivot tube/horn assembly
in place. All I need to do now is cable up the stick and see if there is
any slack in my set up as some have reported. Anyway, very excited to see progress.
If you have not yet started, or are just beginning, have hope! Even if it takes
10 years, progress can be made slowly and steady. I have had to wait for 6+ months
to make any meaningful progress, but tonight I have seen almost the completion
of the steel parts of the front controls.
Welding was NOT as scary as I thought. Heck, I find I am loving it, and I was very
fearful of the process (as a search of previous posts would prove). I am almost
ready to plan the next plane as a steel Pober Jr. Ace, as I have those plans
already! Actually, I have found that I am pretty good at gas welding. This
is the real benefit of home building. New skills and discoveries. Plus, I can't
believe how relaxing the whole thing is.
My lovely and patient wife approves of the time I am building because she knows
that while I am out in the barn, I completely STOP thinking about the stresses
of life. It is, indeed, cheaper than therapy and when you are done, you have
something to fly!! And Spruse and steel doesn't ask stupid questions about your
childhood... :D
Here's some pictures of the set up...
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Subject: | Re: Pulleys or "through the seat" ? |
Thinking the same thing Gary... But I am trying to convince myself that I don't
need to spend 35 more bucks for a plane that will only cost me 8000 to build...
Doap!
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