Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 04/08/13


Total Messages Posted: 42



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:09 AM - Re: Do I need to sheet this with plywood? (Clif Dawson)
     2. 01:35 AM - Re: Re: Corky's rib building company (Isablcorky@aol.com)
     3. 05:07 AM - Re: Aluminum Bump (helspersew@aol.com)
     4. 06:22 AM - Re: Pulleys or "through the seat" ? (TOM STINEMETZE)
     5. 06:31 AM - Re: Aluminum Bump (kevinpurtee)
     6. 06:40 AM - Do I need to sheet this with plywood? (Douwe Blumberg)
     7. 06:42 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum Bump (Gary Boothe)
     8. 07:38 AM - Re: An Inquiry (Ralph)
     9. 07:44 AM - Re: An Inquiry (Ralph)
    10. 07:45 AM - Thrust Pull Test (Perry Rhoads)
    11. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum Bump (Ken Bickers)
    12. 08:24 AM - Re: Straight Axel advise (CraigAho)
    13. 09:00 AM - Wood on the Way (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    14. 09:01 AM - Re: An Inquiry (Jim Boyer)
    15. 09:59 AM - Re: Virginia Pietenpols (Fun2av8)
    16. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: Virginia Pietenpols (Jack Phillips)
    17. 11:08 AM - Re: straight axle landing gear (CraigAho)
    18. 11:40 AM - Re: Re: Virginia Pietenpols (BRETT PHILLIPS)
    19. 12:19 PM - Re: Straight Axel advise (CraigAho)
    20. 12:58 PM - Re: Do I need to sheet this with plywood? (Lion Mason)
    21. 01:03 PM - Wing incidence.. (Ray Krause)
    22. 01:47 PM - Re: Wing incidence.. (Gary Boothe)
    23. 01:49 PM - Re: An Inquiry (jarheadpilot82)
    24. 01:59 PM - Re: Wing incidence.. (jarheadpilot82)
    25. 02:02 PM - Re: Wing incidence.. (C N Campbell)
    26. 02:06 PM - Re: Wing incidence.. (C N Campbell)
    27. 03:43 PM - Re: Craig , new to list (CraigAho)
    28. 04:27 PM - Re: Wing incidence.. (Jim Boyer)
    29. 05:44 PM - Re: Thrust Pull Test (Brett Phillips)
    30. 06:02 PM - Re: Thrust Pull Test (Perry Rhoads)
    31. 06:15 PM - Re: Virginia Pietenpols (Fun2av8)
    32. 06:25 PM - Re: worlds largest pietenpol  (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
    33. 06:30 PM - 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In (Fun2av8)
    34. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: An Inquiry (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    35. 08:05 PM - Re: Corky's rib building company (taildrags)
    36. 08:10 PM - Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In (tools)
    37. 08:27 PM - Re: Do I need to sheet this with plywood? (Mark Roberts)
    38. 08:29 PM - Re: Re: Wing incidence.. (Ray Krause)
    39. 09:30 PM - Re: Wing incidence.. (taildrags)
    40. 09:36 PM - Re: Wood on the Way (taildrags)
    41. 11:42 PM - Re: Re: straight axle landing gear (Clif Dawson)
    42. 11:46 PM - Re: worlds largest pietenpol  (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:09:14 AM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Do I need to sheet this with plywood?
    I filled with balsa and covered in 1/32 ply. My rudder cables go in a straight line from the bar to the rudder. In doing so they lie just above the front edge of the seat. I acquired a 1/4" thick piece of micarta ( traditional you know ) and made guides from that. At the seat back they do only that, no direction change at all. The ones mounted above the bellcrank do bend a teeny weeny bit, barely noticable in the pic. Another thing I've added is rudder stops at the bar. At full deflection they hold said rudder 1/2" away from the elevators. I saw a vid once of completion inspection and that was a fail on that plane so I checked mine and sure enough the rudder went too far. Not any more. :-) Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 12:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Do I need to sheet this with plywood? > <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> > > Hey Guys: > > Do I need to sheet this with plywood? I used balsa blocks to fill the > space between the top.deck stringers as bracing. It goes back about 4" > back from the face of the front of the top former/sear back. I was > planning to cover this with 1/8 ply, but after looking at the final > product, I am thinking it is plenty strong, but I am not sure how much > abuse this part gets when sitting on it/ getting in and out/ etc. > > Will the final covering be enough if I cover the top with some leather > like Mike Cuy? Just looking for some "been there, done that" advice. > > I do plan to "dimple" or feather the edges to prevent the covering from > having a hard edge regardless... > > Thanks! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398076#398076 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/13653632089300_134.jpg > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >


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    Time: 01:35:46 AM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Corky's rib building company
    In a message dated 4/8/2013 3:01:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mercer.k@comcast.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "kmercer" <mercer.k@comcast.net> Corky, If you're looking for more business, I'm in for a set of ribs (after Douwe's, of course!)! Ken Mercer San Rafael, CA (but a native Texan) -------- Ken Mercer San Rafael, CA (KDVO) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398112#398112 This was a Sat night inspiration. It's now Monday morn and I haven't talked with my material source. Will put you down as a potential. Will let you know cost ASAP. Corky What worries me the most is FREIGHT. They have gone krazy.


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    Time: 05:07:58 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Aluminum Bump
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Dear Mr. Boothe, It is a very good thing that you were able to rectify this rather serious d iscrepancy now, rather than later. And it is even more commendable (and adm irable) that you are of such elevated character, to be able to admit to suc h a tragic mistake publicly. As we all know on this list, we are fast appro aching the (limited) annual May 1st revealing and opening of the "lost" Ber nard H (don't call me Bernie) Pietenpol files, that I have the highly-honor ed position to have in my possession, the fiduciary duty been bestowed upon me and entrusted with. I can assure you that on that date, I will surely l ook into and clarify this matter, just as soon as we can open the hermetica lly sealed jar that these fragile papers are stored. Last year, according t o my recollection, I thought there was a BHP directive that went "No materi als or processes not currently known shall be used in he production of any BHP design airplane" or something to that effect. Respectfully, Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> Sent: Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:47 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Bump I awoke in a cold sweat last night, suddenly realizing that Dan Helsper was going to learn that my Piet came out of the factory with a fiberglass bump he would then produce a document from the Secret Files, questionin g the authenticity of my plane. This bump is necessary to hide a portion of my Corvair (A la Last Original) starter (see top of cowling). All I had on hand was some 6061 and some homemade toolsand about 3 hours. Gary Boothe NX308MB


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    Time: 06:22:32 AM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Re: Pulleys or "through the seat" ?
    Mark: I can't get to a photo right now but I did run my cables through the wood cross member as shown on the plan. I did modify that slightly by drilling a hole in the center of a delrin rod (from ACS) and make fairleads from that they were inserted into the wood cross member. The holes in the delrin were ramped on the ends to act more like a slick bearing surface to protect the cables as they changed direction. They seem to work very well and the cables do not bind at all. -Disclaimer- this modification has not experienced flight yet. Tom Stinemetze McPherson, Kansas N328X >>> "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> 4/6/2013 10:26 PM >>> Seeings as how we all want to make Mr. Pietenpol's airplane just "that much better" than he designed it, I am wondering how many of you have opted for running the 1/8" elevator cables through the seat bottom cross brace as shown on the plans, or used pulleys as I have felt inclined to do. I see a few pics from the guys that have used pulleys, but don't remember seeing any where they drilled holes as shown on the plans through the rear seat bottom cross member.


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    Time: 06:31:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Aluminum Bump
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    So you were bored, Gary? -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398133#398133


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    Time: 06:40:08 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Do I need to sheet this with plywood?
    Looks plenty good to me Mark. I find that I place the palm of my hand just behind the cockpit, especially when leaving, and have seen some guys sit there, but your design would support both nicely. In my opinion. douwe


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    Time: 06:42:04 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Aluminum Bump
    From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Still having post building withdrawals. Gary Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2013, at 6:30 AM, "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote: > > So you were bored, Gary? > > -------- > Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee > Rebuilding NX899KP > Austin/San Marcos, TX > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398133#398133 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:38:27 AM PST US
    From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
    Subject: Re: An Inquiry
    Hi Dick, I think the name of the lumberyard I went to was something like Youngblood=99s. Some one at Brodhead had told me about it saying it was where canoe and other wood boat builders bought their lumber. It was a lot of years ago but it seems like it was in north central area of Minneapolis. They had just gotten in a shipment of sitka spruce and I could pick through for what I wanted. There was very straight grain 1=9D by 6=9D (full size) boards about 16 feet long. I hauled it on top of my Dodge caravan and had to leave my camper in my cousins yard north of Stillwater to haul my lumber home. It is amazing how your priorities change when you are in the early stages of airplane construction. Ralph


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    Time: 07:44:10 AM PST US
    From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
    Subject: Re: An Inquiry
    Hi Jim, I plan on being at Brodhead this summer. I=99ve only missed a couple years since the mid 80s. I hope you will stop at Raymond if you get the chance when you go through. Ralph


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    Time: 07:45:01 AM PST US
    From: "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Thrust Pull Test
    I completed the pull test on N12939 yesterday. My 3 cylinder( one cylinder seems to be there only to make the engine look symmetrical) A-65 with McCauley metal prop, pulled a consistent 325 lbs. A few pulls were stronger, but 325 seemed to be consistent. As soon as I get back from SunNFun I can ship the scale to the next person. I truly appreciate being able to use the "Official" scale. Thanks, Dan !! Perry Rhoads N12939


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    Time: 07:49:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Aluminum Bump
    From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
    then you should stop building posts. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > > Still having post building withdrawals. > > Gary > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 8, 2013, at 6:30 AM, "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > wrote: > > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > > > So you were bored, Gary? > > > > -------- > > Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee > > Rebuilding NX899KP > > Austin/San Marcos, TX > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398133#398133 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:24:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Straight Axel advise
    From: "CraigAho" <Soar561@hotmail.com>
    I have decided that the fit should be lose so as not to bind, not sure how lose but I did find some tubing to weld into the Axel that is 1/2" diam. X .065 wall X 7 1/4" long that seem they would work well and leave at least 2.75" travel for the Axel. So now I need to did a bit more around the garage for the short tubes to weld to the gear fittings. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398150#398150


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    Time: 09:00:33 AM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Wood on the Way
    Pieters, Just finished ordering my wood and plywood from Edensaw at Port Townsend , Wa. When I get my nails and T-88 I'll be ready for production. Corky


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    Time: 09:01:15 AM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: An Inquiry
    HI Ralph, Hope to see you in Brodhead and will probably stop in Raymond as well as we usually go to Ashton to visit family graves. Would like to see your Piet progress. Cheers, Jim


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    Time: 09:59:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
    From: "Fun2av8" <iflyga@fun2av8.com>
    Matt, Looking forward to meeting you in the Spring. I spoke briefly with Gene (I know him from the Flying Circus). He is planning on going to Brodhead in his Piet (have you seen the pix on FaceBook?). I'm just a couple of hangar rows over from his at Culpeper (KCJR). I also heard from Zeke Zechini who keeps his Piet at White Post (3VA7) which is just about an hour NW of Culpeper. Anyone else got a Piet in the local area (VA, MD, WVA, DE, NC, PA) It would be loads of fun to get together and go get a $100 hamburger somewhere. Has anyone formed a local Piet Owners group? Jim -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398157#398157


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    Time: 10:27:16 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
    I'm a little further from Culpeper than Matt, at Smith Mountain Lake (W91). I've flown my Piet to CJR before, to help Gene work on his. It's about a 2-1/2 hour trip. I'm planning on making the trip to Brodhead this summer. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fun2av8 Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 12:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols Matt, Looking forward to meeting you in the Spring. I spoke briefly with Gene (I know him from the Flying Circus). He is planning on going to Brodhead in his Piet (have you seen the pix on FaceBook?). I'm just a couple of hangar rows over from his at Culpeper (KCJR). I also heard from Zeke Zechini who keeps his Piet at White Post (3VA7) which is just about an hour NW of Culpeper. Anyone else got a Piet in the local area (VA, MD, WVA, DE, NC, PA) It would be loads of fun to get together and go get a $100 hamburger somewhere. Has anyone formed a local Piet Owners group? Jim -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398157#398157


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    Time: 11:08:42 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: straight axle landing gear
    From: "CraigAho" <Soar561@hotmail.com>
    Am trying to visualize how this works, so the white metal arm is free to pivot up and back down with the axel and still prevents rotation under braking? I assume we only need 2-3 inches of travel for the axel? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398165#398165


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    Time: 11:40:43 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
    From: BRETT PHILLIPS <bphillip@SHENTEL.NET>
    Jim: My dad and I have NX311GP at our strip in Strasburg (Mulberry Run, VA17). It is slowly going back together, with a goal (maybe a bit of a stretch on my part) of joining Gene, Jack, Matt, and the gang on their way to Brodhead. If we can make it happen that way, it is going to be a real hoot of a trip. By chance would you be the same Jim McWhorter who owns a Maule in Strasburg? Brett Phillips On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>wrote: > jack@bedfordlandings.com> > > I'm a little further from Culpeper than Matt, at Smith Mountain Lake (W91). > I've flown my Piet to CJR before, to help Gene work on his. It's about a > 2-1/2 hour trip. > > I'm planning on making the trip to Brodhead this summer. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fun2av8 > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 12:59 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols > > > Matt, Looking forward to meeting you in the Spring. I spoke briefly with > Gene (I know him from the Flying Circus). He is planning on going to > Brodhead in his Piet (have you seen the pix on FaceBook?). I'm just a > couple of hangar rows over from his at Culpeper (KCJR). > > I also heard from Zeke Zechini who keeps his Piet at White Post (3VA7) > which > is just about an hour NW of Culpeper. > > Anyone else got a Piet in the local area (VA, MD, WVA, DE, NC, PA) > It would be loads of fun to get together and go get a $100 hamburger > somewhere. > > Has anyone formed a local Piet Owners group? > > Jim > > -------- > Jim McWhorter > N687MB (New Owner) > Culpeper, VA KCJR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398157#398157 > >


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    Time: 12:19:37 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Straight Axel advise
    From: "CraigAho" <Soar561@hotmail.com>
    Looks like my quick email to Mike Cuy has me on a roll again. Thank you Mike. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398170#398170


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    Time: 12:58:32 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Do I need to sheet this with plywood?
    From: Lion Mason <airlion2@gmail.com>
    ace sells a streamline headrest for about 30 bucks . That is what I have on mine and it works great for a seat too. C heers, Gardoner Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2013, at 9:40 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> w rote: > Looks plenty good to me Mark. I find that I place the palm of my hand jus t behind the cockpit, especially when leaving, and have seen some guys sit t here, but your design would support both nicely. In my opinion > > douwe > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 01:03:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Wing incidence..
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    If my memory serves me correctly, you fellows have been putting in about 1/4" incidence for the wing. In other words, the front cabanes are about 1/4" taller than the rears, right? Please let me know as I am cutting mine today. Thanks, Ray Krause SkyScout Sent from my iPad


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    Time: 01:47:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing incidence..
    From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Ray, I'm on the road, and my memory a little fuzzy, but I'm pretty sure the front cabanes are 1" longer than the rear. Gary Boothe NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net> wrote: > > If my memory serves me correctly, you fellows have been putting in about 1/4" incidence for the wing. In other words, the front cabanes are about 1/4" taller than the rears, right? Please let me know as I am cutting mine today. > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > SkyScout > > Sent from my iPad > > > >


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    Time: 01:49:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: An Inquiry
    From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
    Corky, I kinda' like the name "Corky's Rib Shack" for the title of your business. Just a thought. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398179#398179


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    Time: 01:59:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing incidence..
    From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
    Gary's memory is correct as far as the plans show. The difference is 1 inch between the front cabanes and the rear cabanas, as shown in the snapshot from the plans, Drawing #6. So, Ray, do you mean an additional 1/4 inch? -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398183#398183 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/screen_shot_2013_04_08_at_45531_pm_212.png


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    Time: 02:02:46 PM PST US
    From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing incidence..
    Front 21-1/4 -- Rear 20-1/4 Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause@frontiernet.net> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing incidence.. > <raykrause@frontiernet.net> > > If my memory serves me correctly, you fellows have been putting in about > 1/4" incidence for the wing. In other words, the front cabanes are about > 1/4" taller than the rears, right? Please let me know as I am cutting mine > today. > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > SkyScout > > Sent from my iPad > > >


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    Time: 02:06:12 PM PST US
    From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing incidence..
    The dimentions I just sent are from the bottom bolt centerline to the top bolt centerline. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause@frontiernet.net> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing incidence.. > <raykrause@frontiernet.net> > > If my memory serves me correctly, you fellows have been putting in about > 1/4" incidence for the wing. In other words, the front cabanes are about > 1/4" taller than the rears, right? Please let me know as I am cutting mine > today. > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > SkyScout > > Sent from my iPad > > >


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    Time: 03:43:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Craig , new to list
    From: "CraigAho" <Soar561@hotmail.com>
    I have been scanning photos into my computer so here are a few of my new air camper components so far. On the fuselage I have since adding the side plywood and am currently working on my wood gear cleaning up the smoke damage and preparing my old hardware for reuse. I will be dismantling my wire wheels and adding grease cups, I think I will leave uncovered this time around. I need to purchase a new Axel since my old one is bowed noticeably. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398188#398188 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/file14_2_953.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/file13_2_209.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/file12_2_437.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/file10_2_134.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/file9_2_157.jpg


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    Time: 04:27:07 PM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing incidence..
    Hi Ray, The front cabanes are 1 inch longer than the rear cabane struts. Jim


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    Time: 05:44:39 PM PST US
    From: "Brett Phillips" <bphillip@SHENTEL.NET>
    Subject: Thrust Pull Test
    Any idea of the diameter and pitch of the McCauley? Rpm? Brett From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry Rhoads Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thrust Pull Test I completed the pull test on N12939 yesterday. My 3 cylinder( one cylinder seems to be there only to make the engine look symmetrical) A-65 with McCauley metal prop, pulled a consistent 325 lbs. A few pulls were stronger, but 325 seemed to be consistent. As soon as I get back from SunNFun I can ship the scale to the next person. I truly appreciate being able to use the "Official" scale. Thanks, Dan !! Perry Rhoads N12939


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    Time: 06:02:53 PM PST US
    From: "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Thrust Pull Test
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    Time: 06:15:52 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
    From: "Fun2av8" <iflyga@fun2av8.com>
    Hey Brett, thanks for checking in. There is a Jim McWhorter with a Maule in Strasburg VA? Now that is scary! I did have a Maule but its never been to Strasberg. I sold it to a gentlemen in GA where she is presently living the good life. Hope to meet up with you guys before we go to Brodhead in July! From what I can see - Culpeper seems to be in the middle. Its early yet - still time to see. Jim -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398203#398203


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    Time: 06:25:30 PM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Re: worlds largest pietenpol
    UNCLASSIFIED Paul you are confusing a fossil with the modern Piet. That rib is actually from TyrannaPiet the much larger meat eating ancestor of the current bird. ;+} Blue Skies, Steve D On 03/31/13, nightmare wrote: > > Someone at Tampa int'l hid this giant piet rib in plain site. > > -------- > Paul Donahue > Started 8-3-12 > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397447#397447 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130331_155851_192.jpg > > > > UNCLASSIFIED


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    Time: 06:30:48 PM PST US
    Subject: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In
    From: "Fun2av8" <iflyga@fun2av8.com>
    (If there is already a thread for this topic - please let me know and I will delete this on and add my comments to the existing thread). I checked the EAA Chapter 431 website - nothing posted yet for the 2013 Fly-In. However, the 2012 info is there and doubt there would be any substantial changes for 2013. http://www.eaa431.org/?page_id=544 Is everyone camping? Anyone staying at the local B&Bs? What does one do for wheels while at the event for 3-4 days? If you are flying your Piet in and plan on camping - where do you put your gear? Stow it all in the front Cockpit? Looks like food won't be an issue if they do the same this year they did last year? Jim -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398208#398208


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    Time: 06:58:32 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: An Inquiry
    In a message dated 4/8/2013 7:25:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> Corky, I kinda' like the name "Corky's Rib Shack" for the title of your business. Just a thought. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398179#398179 In all my years I've probably been called everything so these new business names are welcome. No I'm no Semper Fi but I do go back to OCS, Ft Benning 1943 Keep those names coming, Also, if any might have an idea on the best way to box a set of ribs for shipment lets have it. Corky


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    Time: 08:05:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corky's rib building company
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Corky; I still have your building table, complete with glue drips, a few staples here and there, pencil notes, and the outline of an Air Camper on it. I can take it apart, box it up, and ship it back to you with assembly instructions ;o) "Place Part 2B against Part 3A and fasten with nails" ;o) The building table is my home workshop, in my outdoor canopy work area. I am not permitted to make sawdust, filings, glue odors, paint overspray, or anything else INSIDE the house or garage. On the table are a dozen clamps of various sizes and configurations, a small bench vise, my table saw, drill press, and belt/disc sander. There is not enough room to use all of them on any one project at a time, so I have to move them around to use them, but a guy needs to have a decent workbench or life is meaningless! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398212#398212


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    Time: 08:10:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    I'd say most camp. I've observed most flying in to tent camp and store gear in the plane or tent. Some folks camp near the planes, but there's a bit of an alcove across a closed runway where there's a good sized tent camped community. There's also a rather large contingent of motorhomes. I've always had a car there, but really haven't needed it. There's a good pizza joint within walking distance. My son and I camped there while ferrying our piet through Brodhead. There was no one around, so we slept under the pavilion and walked into town for dinner. There's a fire pit and folks gather all over the place, it's pretty easy to get in with a crowd for a ride into town for dinner or whatever for a little change in pace. Pretty laid back. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398213#398213


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    Time: 08:27:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Do I need to sheet this with plywood?
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    Thanks guys! Those pics really helped on a few levels. I get how those phenolic guides work. I might use that idea! Also, I don't like my elevator pivot works. Instead of using a welded set up, I might try that delrin block idea... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398214#398214


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    Time: 08:29:48 PM PST US
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing incidence..
    Thanks everyone. I am working off the SkyScout plans and it says both front and rear cabanes are 21.25". I had not checked the Air Camper plans. My memory told me that there had been discussion on the length and the front ones were longer. I will go with the 1inch longer in the front... It is easier to go shorter than longer! Thanks for all the responses. Ray Krause SkyScout Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 1:59 PM, "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Gary's memory is correct as far as the plans show. The difference is 1 inch between the front cabanes and the rear cabanas, as shown in the snapshot from the plans, Drawing #6. > > So, Ray, do you mean an additional 1/4 inch? > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398183#398183 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/screen_shot_2013_04_08_at_45531_pm_212.png > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:30:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing incidence..
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Ray: if you're building a Sky Scout, go by the Sky Scout plans. If you're building an Air Camper, go by the Air Camper plans. Right-? The Sky Scout is a single-place, the Air Camper is 2-place, tandem. Lots of other differences, but the thing is, they aren't the same airplane. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398217#398217


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    Time: 09:36:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wood on the Way
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Corky: I believe I still have all the tiny nails that you gave me when you were cleaning house. You want 'em back-? Not sure I can find them in the hangar, but given a couple of hours and a sunshiny Saturday, I'll bet I could! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398218#398218


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    Time: 11:42:33 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: straight axle landing gear
    The entire brake assembly is free floating on the axle. The axle does whatever it would do if there weren't any brakes at all. I went through a few trees worth of paper to come up with the position and angles that would minimize the rotational movement of the brake assembly as the axle goes up and down over bumps. I don't expect to be using the brakes moving over anything that bumpy anyway and I certainly don't plan on hitting the brakes on touchdown! :-) And not when moving at more than a snails pace either. Mostly for runup and pivot turning. Just like the Chief I presently fly. On the grass at my strip, idle the engine and it stops pretty quick on it's own. This pic illustrates the main parts. The disc, of course, bolts to the wheel hub.There is a large bearing sheet between that and the plate on the right shown by a thick dark line. The only things attached to the axle are the end cap and split collar. They hold everything in place and alignment. Clear as mud ??? :-) Clif Nothing worse could happen to one than to be completely understood. C.G.Jung > > Am trying to visualize how this works, so the white metal arm is free to > pivot up and back down with the axel and still prevents rotation under > braking? I assume we only need 2-3 inches of travel for the axel? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398165#398165 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >


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    Time: 11:46:46 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: worlds largest pietenpol
    Funny, I don't remember seeing this bird in Jurrasic Park. come to think about it I don't remember much except rather large and sharp teeth! :-) Clif Every morning in Africa a gazelle wakes up. It knows it must run faster than the fastest lion or it will be killed. Every morning a lion wakes up. It knows it must run faster than the slowest gazelle or it will starve to death. It doesn't matter whether you are a lion or a gazelle. When the sun comes up, you'd better start running. African proverb > UNCLASSIFIED > Paul you are confusing a fossil with the modern Piet. > That rib is actually from TyrannaPiet the much larger meat eating ancestor > of the current bird. > ;+} > > Blue Skies, > Steve D




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