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1. 03:27 AM - Mario's progress (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 04:37 AM - Re: 3 days to rebuild--very impressive (Don Emch)
3. 05:06 AM - Re: Re: "Re-PIET" tire change (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 05:09 AM - Re: Mario's progress (Mario Giacummo)
5. 05:12 AM - Need contact (helspersew@aol.com)
6. 05:16 AM - Re: Finish a wing (giacummo)
7. 05:22 AM - Re: Need contact (Gardiner)
8. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: Could be Aircraft Related... (Michael Perez)
9. 05:52 AM - Re: Could be Aircraft Related... (jarheadpilot82)
10. 06:19 AM - Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In (Fun2av8)
11. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: straight axle landing gear (Craig Aho)
12. 08:06 AM - Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In (Don Emch)
13. 08:12 AM - For the record... geesh... (tools)
14. 09:56 AM - Re: For the record... geesh... (Michael Perez)
15. 10:22 AM - Re: For the record... geesh... (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
16. 10:27 AM - Pietenpol storage bag (Don Emch)
17. 10:40 AM - 'both men are master craftsman' (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
18. 11:02 AM - Spoked Wheels (CraigAho)
19. 11:07 AM - Re: For the record... geesh... (tools)
20. 11:24 AM - Re: For the record... geesh... (nightmare)
21. 12:12 PM - Re: For the record... geesh... (tools)
22. 01:04 PM - Re: Spoked Wheels (Ray Krause)
23. 01:19 PM - Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In (kevinpurtee)
24. 01:20 PM - Anyone near Denver? (Douwe Blumberg)
25. 01:20 PM - Re: Pietenpol storage bag (kevinpurtee)
26. 01:34 PM - Re: For the record...(edit) wood landing gear lessons learned (nightmare)
27. 02:28 PM - Re: Anyone near Denver? (Ken Bickers)
28. 02:32 PM - Re: Spoked Wheels (Craig Aho)
29. 02:37 PM - Re: Spoked Wheels (Craig Aho)
30. 03:02 PM - Have you guys seen this before? (Mark Roberts)
31. 03:43 PM - Re: An Inquiry (Dick N)
32. 04:15 PM - SNF (Dick N)
33. 04:37 PM - Re: SNF (Ryan M)
34. 04:55 PM - Re: Pietenpol storage bag (Fun2av8)
35. 04:58 PM - Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In (Fun2av8)
36. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol storage bag (Marcus Zechini)
37. 05:04 PM - Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (Fun2av8)
38. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum Bump (Gary Boothe)
39. 05:30 PM - Re: Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In (Jack Phillips)
40. 05:47 PM - Re: Pietenpol storage bag (Don Emch)
41. 05:49 PM - Re: Pietenpol storage bag (taildrags)
42. 05:53 PM - Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In (Don Emch)
43. 06:05 PM - Re: Have you guys seen this before? (taildrags)
44. 06:10 PM - Re: For the record...(edit) wood landing gear lessons learned (jarheadpilot82)
45. 06:22 PM - Re: Have you guys seen this before? (Mark Roberts)
46. 06:30 PM - Re: Pietenpol storage bag (Don Emch)
47. 07:02 PM - Re: Pietenpol storage bag (tools)
48. 07:35 PM - Re: For the record...(edit) wood landing gear lessons learned (tools)
49. 09:00 PM - Re: Spoked Wheels (Ray Krause)
50. 09:01 PM - Re: Spoked Wheels (Ray Krause)
51. 09:11 PM - rudder bar stops (taildrags)
52. 09:20 PM - Re: rudder bar stops (tools)
53. 09:24 PM - Re: rudder bar stops (tools)
54. 09:28 PM - Re: rudder bar stops (tools)
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Subject: | Mario's progress |
Looks GREAT Mario!
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: 3 days to rebuild--very impressive |
Tools,
Wow! You should have a future in the aircraft restoration business. You'll undercut
everybody out there! That is some impressive time. You need to share
how you get your glue and your dope to dry fast enough for all the build up coats.
I know if I spray more than three coats a day it starts to really act up
on me.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: "Re-PIET" tire change |
Douwe, this is your finest work of art! And THAT'S saying something!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 9, 2013 8:52 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Re-PIET" tire change
Gray tyres, schmay tyres... (although the gray is TOTALLY cool...), it IS a
beautiful ship.
Every pic I see seems to show off a few more details.
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Subject: | Re: Mario's progress |
Thank you all, but Douwe great looks your Piet!!! this round nose, the
silencer/exaust tube (or muffle?), the color scheme.. the wood struts and
cabanes...etc, etc.. a beautifull job.
see you.
Mario Giacummo
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2013/4/10 Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
> Looks GREAT Mario! ****
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Anybody know what Jeff Boatwright's email is? Somebody I know needs it. Tha
nks.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Subject: | Re: Finish a wing |
Craig, can you post a photo?... how is the adherence between latex an polyurethane?
latex is very flexible, polyurethane is hard. Can you tell me more?
thanks
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Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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Subject: | Re: Need contact |
On 4/10/2013 8:12 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Anybody know what Jeff Boatwright's email is? Somebody I know needs
> it. Thanks.
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> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
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> his email isjeffboatright@emory.edu cheers, gardiner
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Subject: | Re: Could be Aircraft Related... |
Thanks Terry.- I have no idea about noise and drag being related either.
- I am curious if this idea would work along the lines of- VGs on wings
or dimples on a golf ball.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
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Subject: | Re: Could be Aircraft Related... |
Michael,
My assumption would be (and I know what happens when you assume) that there might
be some small correlation, but the cost of such modification and the actual
drag relief gained would be inversely related.
I guess that is a nice way of saying, "it ain't worth it". But what do I know.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
Since this will be my first time to Brodhead, has anyone got any pictures of their
front cockpit loaded with camping gear? With food onsite - my guess is a
small tent and sleeping bag.
One would also not want to be without the necessities (microwave, ice box, suit
case, fold-up bike, and of course, the kitchen sink) :-)
BTW, last count, I think there are at least 5 Piets making the pilgrimage to Brodhead
as a formation starting in Virginia. I think we are picking up a few more
enroute. No firm departure date has been set - but I would guess Monday
or Tuesday ( July 22-23). As a tag-a-long, I'm ready to go either day.
The details for the 38th Annual Pietenpol Reunion are posted on the Brodhead Pietenpol Association website at: http://www.pietenpols.org/id17.html
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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Subject: | Re: straight axle landing gear |
Yes=2C Seattle area. Howdy Neighbor. Craig
From: cdawson5854@shaw.ca
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: straight axle landing gear
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Subject: | Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
Jim,
It's good to hear you are going to try to fly in. You know Mr. Sam has been to
Brodhead a time or two in the past. Probably mid 90's. that's a really good
airplane. I'm on the road right now but when I get back in the next day or two
I will post a couple of pictures of my bag/sling I use. Works great and is
a bag that you can order, even has a lid. If you get a chance try to talk to
Andrew King, I'm sure he could share some stories about Mr. Sam. He's actually
not too far from you.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | For the record... geesh... |
Nearly a year ago, in April, my Piet was severely damaged during a landing. One
of the wood gear members gave out, which caused a collapse of the gear, causing
the fuselage to drop onto the solid axle thusly breaking the bottom longerons
(and a little of the side skins). Also, three of the four wing struts came
into contact with the wheels, and bent them.
Also suffered a prop strike.
I was fortunate no one was hurt (was alone), and it was in my back yard.
It was almost exactly 4 months until the airplane was airworthy again. Of those
4 months, there were probably 3 1/2 weeks worth of work days put into the plane.
This included extensive dismantling so that I could store as much as possible,
close to my shop. The wing had to get transported (didn't have my wing
trailer then) to a friend's shop, where it got stored until ready to go back
together. Was another fiasco getting it back to the property and onto the plane,
learned a lot!
The prop was damaged but the engine was not (me and friend took it apart, had all
the parts inspected, put it all back together...). Other than that, 3 of the
4 wing struts were damaged. 3 of the 4 gear members were damaged. Two longerons,
two side skins, belly skin and a crossmember. Nine pieces of wood, three
pieces of metal.
Repairs to the fuselage took 3 days. Not very amazing. When I started repairs
on the fuse, it was a hundred or so pound structure. Nothing but wood, fabric,
tailwheel and some fittings. I could lift it and turn it over by myself, it
was THAT dismantled (so it would fit where my woodworking stuff is).
When I was done, it was the same 100 pound (or so) structure, but without broken
wood or torn fabric anywhere. I had to replace sections on 4 pieces of the
original fuse (longerons and side skins), and make and install a new crossmember
and belly skin. That's it. I purposely staged in a way that actual repairs
would go quickly so that it wasn't apart long. Both for memory sake and because
wood tends to do some moving on it's own.
Since three of the gear legs were destroyed (I had replaced one already, it survived),
I just made an all new set. I had patterns...
At that point, putting it all back together was akin to all y'alls (who've built
or restored one) final assembly. Incredibly tedious and time consuming.
But the repairs to the fuse were not. Very straight forward and akin to installing
a door on a previously completed and covered fuse I imagine, which is why
I referred to it. I never even came close to claiming I took an airplane resting
on an axle in a field back to airworthy in three days. I repaired the damage
in three.
Incredible cynicism makes it tough to determine if it was just not very obvious
(I didn't tell EVERYTHING because it wasn't germain to installing a door), or
just plain rudeness that elevated a simple description of repairs to a fuselage
into grand claims of restoration abilities. One would think the former would
result in a simple question...
The repairs came out really really well, I was extremely happy with them and their
performance. The repaired fabric, not so much... I'm happy to practice that
sort of thing now. Safe and completely functional, but I've got some work
to do there.
I really wanted to document it all really well, but my camera was broke, don't
own a smart phone and I was in a hurry.
And now you have, ala Paul Harvey, the rest of the story...
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Subject: | Re: For the record... geesh... |
Nice wrap up Tools. I applaud your efforts and the work you put forth to: 1) repair
your AC and 2) write a debrief as you just have.
One comment I will make about your previous post: I believed you hinted at cleanliness
and orginization in your shop. I could not agree with you more. IMO, nothing
is much more irritating than spending time looking for a tool hidden under
some debris on the far end of a work bench. A clean, well organized shop goes
a long way to adding to the enjoyment of our craft.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: For the record... geesh... |
UNCLASSIFIED
Mike the two Aircraft craftsmen I respect the most are very different. One disassembles
things and places them in specific baggies and has his tools labeled
and put on a board. If one is missing there is a obvious blank spot. He has only
the most current and best quality tools. His workshop is light and airish
with a lot of room for each project. Only one project at a time and they are more
"Modern"
The other has piles of scrap metal and parts piled all around the walls of his
hangar/workshop. He has shelves just covered with parts, nuts, bolts screws and
misc other items. His hangar/workshop is crowded, dark and somewhat dirty.
(NOTE he does insist that all tools go back to the right drawers or the right
shelf.) He always has 4 or 5 projects going and piles of parts laying under the
project. He is always being sidetracked by people needing his help on their
project. His tools are mostly 1930-70 vintage and require a bit of knowledge to
run (He has a lathe that will turn out a 6 ft long axle if you need. It has
a huge electric motor and a Ford Model A tranny to adjust the speeds.)
both men are master craftsmen. The "sloppy" one has the greater knowledge.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 04/10/13, Michael Perez wrote:
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> Nice wrap up Tools. I applaud your efforts and the work you put forth to: 1)
repair your AC and 2) write a debrief as you just have.
>
> One comment I will make about your previous post: I believed you hinted at cleanliness
and orginization in your shop. I could not agree with you more. IMO,
nothing is much more irritating than spending time looking for a tool hidden
under some debris on the far end of a work bench. A clean, well organized shop
goes a long way to adding to the enjoyment of our craft.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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UNCLASSIFIED
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Subject: | Pietenpol storage bag |
I wanted to post the pictures of my storage bag I use for taking trips. Jim, Mr.
Sam's new owner was asking. I don't want to tell too many people but the bag
I use is a "Thirty One" bag. Most women will know what that is. This is about
the most "manly" bag they make. I'm sure some of you would like to dress
up your Piet a little with pink, polka dots, and flowers, which are all available
with this bag, but I chose straight black. :-) Anyway the really cool thing
about this bag is it is exactly the right width to drop down in the front
cockpit. I added a couple of dowel rods so it can hang on the longerons. It
has a wire stiffened top, all the way around the bag. You can even buy a lid
with it. In the one picture with my son in the front you can start to see the
lid. We used this last year for our week long Barnstorming trip. It hangs
above his legs so he still had room under the bag. Really worked great. If interested
I can get the order number from my wife.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | 'both men are master craftsman' |
Steve-- well said. I know a local guy who cranks out award winning work b
ut his shop is a shambles yet he knows
where every nut, bolt, and document is. He's owned his own airport for mo
re than 50 years and still does show-stopping
work in his 80's.
My good friend Bill Klosz took a look at my tools and basement when I finis
hed my airplane and he said 'how did
you make such a nice looking airplane with such junkie tools?'
both men are master craftsmen. The "sloppy" one has the greater knowledge.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels but leave them
uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted them originally
before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so I can repaint
the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will have to paint the
spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably or maybe some contrasting
color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new ship but at this point I
like Black and light blue, but that is a ways off at this point. Also am considering
if I could use my original 4.5" brake drums with a Band instead of the
internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not deployed overseas with the Navy as
he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I would have him re-lace and true so I wouldn't
have to do it again.
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Subject: | Re: For the record... geesh... |
Oh... may have led folks astray again...
I'm, well, while not attesting to the "greater" knowledge portion, DEFINITELY in
the latter description!
However, with the hangar and new shop I plan to gravitate towards the former as
much as possible! Mike's shop makes me green with envy. Reminds me of the "model
airplane factory", a guy I know near Huntsville. A true renaissance type
with a shop that looks like a laboratory. And while it's that neat and clean,
he gets A LOT done. And it's SUPER high quality. If he ever decided to build
a plane (not sure he hasn't actually), it would be done in a year and it makes
me tingly to think how nice it would look... and then he'd sell it, lose
interest, and go on to the next venture.
The tools go a bit further back (turn of the century), and they all have some quirk
or another (hell, many of them literally came off a scrap truck...), so ya,
I'm firmly in that camp.
Getting a new line shaft driven Rockford metal lathe. Ten cents a pound, under
two hundred bucks. Either he stops by my house, or the scrapyard... Don't think
I could sleep at night if I let that thing get melted down. It's one hundred
percent functional, probably be the best condition lathe I own. It'll turn
18 (or 20) in diameter and about 5' between centers, complete with the single
machine overhead lineshaft and 1930's electric motor AND a belt lacer! Cheaper
than an asian 9x20... One and a half inch through hole, PERFECT for an airplane
axle.
Just got a 1940's (maybe earlier) Nichols mill given to me. It needs a little
work... Talk about the PERFECT machine for fish mouthing aircraft tubing.
I don't know if I'll ever get a Piet built.
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Subject: | Re: For the record... geesh... |
Tools; when your gear broke, do you think there was any way for that there was
a way for that to be prevented. (Thicker/ different wood, larger fittings.....).
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Well, kinda thought that would eventually come up.
Like ALL mishaps, it's a very long chain...
First, the gear legs weren't all that well fitted within the fuse fittings (these
were NOT made my Dick, it's VERY clear in the builder's log they came with
the fuse already made and fitted), and by appearances, they looked fine.
Second, I LEARNED to fly a tail dragger in this thing. My son LEARNED to fly in
this thing... we were NOT babying it by ANY means?! Ya know? Ya, it definitely
took some hits. We found one leg had developed some cracks, so we replaced
it. Not easy, but took measurements and fabricated a replacement leg and installed
it at the hangar 10 miles from my shop. It fit perfectly only needing
some relief where there was a thing I couldn't see... not a big deal. I could
see they needed to be a bit thicker, so did that and brought some shims to
get a good fit between the fuse fittings.
Third, it was UGLY, and I knew it, but PERFECTLY functional, just wanted to keep
flying to didn't even bother to round it, streamline it, anything. Was going
to build some new gear but wanted it at the house (I've got JUST enough property
to put in a single direction landing strip (take off down hill, land up hill,
PLENTY of room and good approach/departure). So, had landed there a dozen
times, my son was landing there, all was good... and the DAY I finally had enough
time off to get the gear project done and the forecast was good enough to
keep the plane outdoors, I decided to bring it to the house... a perfect touchdown...
but a bit fast... lapped the stick and got airborne for a bounce. THAT
bounce broke one of the other three legs, can't determine which one, and down
came the house of cards.
Post mishap analysis shows the legs had very elongated holes from movement. I
didn't see that, but realize in hind sight I should have known from the other
leg I removed... dammit! The one replacement held on well enough to take the
fitting right out of the fuse. The others just popped free.
I think wrapping (like you can clearly see on Dowe's plane, sure I've seen it on
others) would have helped for sure. Bust mostly, they need to fit the fittings
TIGHTLY. Snug fits, tight bolts, up tight to the bottom of the fuse. Like
wood struts, you want friction between the fitting and the wood to provide the
strength (many make these fittings larger) and the bolts to merely provide
that friction.
So, starting with headwork and working your way back, it's the execution of what's
on the plans that will keep you out of trouble. Poorer execution can be compensated
for by beefing up to some degree.
A VERY STRONG design.
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Subject: | Re: Spoked Wheels |
Craig,
How did you cover the wheels with fabric?
Ray Krause
SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
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> I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels but leave
them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted them originally
before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so I can repaint
the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will have to paint the
spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably or maybe some contrasting
color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new ship but at this point
I like Black and light blue, but that is a ways off at this point. Also am considering
if I could use my original 4.5" brake drums with a Band instead of the
internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not deployed overseas with the Navy
as he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I would have him re-lace and true so I
wouldn't have to do it again.
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Subject: | Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
Duffel bag in the front seat.
Mr. McWhorter, would you please e-mail me privately? I'd like to send you some
information: kevin.purtee@us.army.mil
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Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | Anyone near Denver? |
Am near Denver for meetings and might be free tonite. Ken or any builders in the
area gonna be working tonite or want to show off their project? Best to just
call me. 805 573 3564
Sent from my iPhon
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
Do they make "Hello Kitty" bags, Don?
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Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | Re: For the record...(edit) wood landing gear lessons |
learned
Thanks for the explanation Tools. Ive read some safety bulletin in the past about
poor welds on piet gear that have caused several accidents. Nice to hear its
not a design problem in this case either. I'll be sure to take your advice.
Thanks; Paul
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Subject: | Re: Anyone near Denver? |
Douwe, I'd be delighted to have you drop by. I'm in Longmont, which is
about 45 minutes to an hour north of Denver, depending on where you are
staying. I should be home from work by 6:00. You can save me from putting
on the perimeter finishing tapes on the horizontal stabilizer this evening
and cutting finishing tapes for the ailerons. Call me on my cell: 303
746
3313
Cheers, Ken
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> Am near Denver for meetings and might be free tonite. Ken or any builders
> in the area gonna be working tonite or want to show off their project?
> Best to just call me. 805 573 3564
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If I am remembering correctly I first put the tire on and then cut a piece
of fabric out slightly larger in diam. than the rim and pushed the tire bea
d back brushed in some glue and tucked the fabric in working my way around
the rim. I also glued to the wood spacer I applied to my hub. Later I shrun
k the fabric and cut out the axel hole. that was all there was to it. Craig
> From: raykrause@frontiernet.net
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels
> Date: Wed=2C 10 Apr 2013 13:04:35 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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leave them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted
them originally before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so
I can repaint the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will h
ave to paint the spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably
or maybe some contrasting color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new s
hip but at this point I like Black and light blue=2C but that is a ways off
at this point. Also am considering if I could use my original 4.5" brake d
rums with a Band instead of the internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not
deployed overseas with the Navy as he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I w
ould have him re-lace and true so I wouldn't have to do it again.
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Forgot to mention that the fabric is installed before inflating the tire. I
know this seems obvious but just in case. Craig
> From: raykrause@frontiernet.net
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels
> Date: Wed=2C 10 Apr 2013 13:04:35 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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leave them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted
them originally before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so
I can repaint the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will h
ave to paint the spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably
or maybe some contrasting color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new s
hip but at this point I like Black and light blue=2C but that is a ways off
at this point. Also am considering if I could use my original 4.5" brake d
rums with a Band instead of the internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not
deployed overseas with the Navy as he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I w
ould have him re-lace and true so I wouldn't have to do it again.
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Subject: | Have you guys seen this before? |
I watched part of this demo today, and for those of us that have an iPad,
or iPhone, this looks like a useful tool... And at just $99, it won't break
the wallet. What I found most interesting is the constant tracking of your
location and where you could "power off" land in the event of an engine
failure. The video demo was outstanding on this. The iPad will literally
draw a series of boxes to fly through to make it to the landing spot wit
proper speed and direction taken into account. Pretty neat!
Anyway, for what it is worth to the community:
http://xavion.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3KE00OMiKVQ
Mark
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Thanks
ralph
I didnt realize Youngbloods was carrying sitka spruce again. They are a
very good yard, when I get home I will check them out.
Thanks
Dick N.
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From: Ralph
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: An Inquiry
Hi Dick,
I think the name of the lumberyard I went to was something like
Youngblood=99s. Some one at Brodhead had told me about it saying
it was where canoe and other wood boat builders bought their lumber. It
was a lot of years ago but it seems like it was in north central area of
Minneapolis. They had just gotten in a shipment of sitka spruce and I
could pick through for what I wanted. There was very straight grain
1=9D by 6=9D (full size) boards about 16 feet long. I
hauled it on top of my Dodge caravan and had to leave my camper in my
cousins yard north of Stillwater to haul my lumber home. It is amazing
how your priorities change when you are in the early stages of airplane
construction.
Ralph
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Hey ya'all
Hi from SNF, hope you can make it down here, weather is beautiful. We
are building a Pietenpol fuselage and wing ribs in the wood shop this
year it is going really good. So far Skip Gadd, Ben Chevranet and I are
working every day. John Hoffman and his wife stopped by today, I will
be looking for Perry Rhodes we all hope more of you can make it down
here.
Later
Dick N.
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The kids and I are planning on stopping by Saturday.
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 10, 2013, at 7:14 PM, "Dick N" <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
> Hey ya'all
> Hi from SNF, hope you can make it down here, weather is beautiful. We are
building a Pietenpol fuselage and wing ribs in the wood shop this year it i
s going really good. So far Skip Gadd, Ben Chevranet and I are working ever
y day. John Hoffman and his wife stopped by today, I will be looking for Pe
rry Rhodes we all hope more of you can make it down here.
> Later
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
Yes, for sure! Please post the ordering details.
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Culpeper, VA KCJR
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Subject: | Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
Yes,, I do know Andrew King - he visits the Flying Circus occasionally, He worked
with Ken Hyde on the Wright Brothers project, and he flew biplanes in the movie
'Fly Boys". Neat guy. I will touch base with him and see what war stories
he has about "Mr. Sam"
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
Looks like I would have to remove the front control stick to install.
I am thinking/hoping enough room in a duffle in front seat
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Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
3 Days and counting until I pick-up my new Pietenpol .... not that I'm counting
or anything like that. :D
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Subject: | Re: Aluminum Bump |
Don't tell anyone, Mark, especially Mike Cuy...I don't have Uncle Tony's
books.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 10:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Bump
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That's cool Gary! You gotta tell me how it's done, or is this in one of
Uncle Tony's books too! I've got the whole set, but haven't cracked the
engine ones yet...
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Subject: | Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
Jim,
For the first couple of years, I carried everything with me. I carried my
tent and sleeping bag in the nose baggage compartment and carried all my
clothes in a duffle bag in the front seat, as shown in the picture below:
This picture was taken while flying over northern Ohio in formation with
Mike Cuy when I flew to Brodhead for the first time in 2005.
Since then, I learned to ship my camping gear to a friend who lives not too
far from Brodhead. Even later, I learned to just leave it with him and let
him store it for me since I don't camp anywhere else but Brodhead.
Does Mr. Sam have a baggage compartment? Many Piets have either a nose
baggage compartment or a wing centersection baggage compartment, but if you
have neither, then a sling for the front seat as Don Emch mentioned is the
best solution.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fun2av8
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In
Since this will be my first time to Brodhead, has anyone got any pictures of
their front cockpit loaded with camping gear? With food onsite - my guess
is a small tent and sleeping bag.
One would also not want to be without the necessities (microwave, ice box,
suit case, fold-up bike, and of course, the kitchen sink) :-)
BTW, last count, I think there are at least 5 Piets making the pilgrimage to
Brodhead as a formation starting in Virginia. I think we are picking up a
few more enroute. No firm departure date has been set - but I would guess
Monday or Tuesday ( July 22-23). As a tag-a-long, I'm ready to go either
day.
The details for the 38th Annual Pietenpol Reunion are posted on the Brodhead
Pietenpol Association website at: http://www.pietenpols.org/id17.html
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N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
I'll get that order information from my wife. There are several colors available
and you can even have your N Number embroidered on there. I'll get the cost
too. Kevin, I checked, sorry no Hello Kitty but my wife is checking for other
pretty colors for you. :-)
By the way, I made my front stick to be quickly removable and it has to be out
for the bag to be in there. What I like most about it us I can still have a passenger
up there too.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
I have a standard soft-sided zippered suitcase out in the garage. The zippers
have been mangled enough by airport security and DHS to where the suitcase is
useless anymore, but I've kept it so I could salvage the roller wheels and telescoping
handle/spine from it. I have been thinking about how to custom-make
a travel bag that would fit in the front cockpit of the Piet but use the handle,
spine, and wheels from the salvaged suitcase. It would be wedge-shaped with
the bottom the same size as the front seat of an Air Camper and the top the
width of the front cockpit so it could be strapped in just like a passenger and
it would ride securely in there. It would not require removal of the front
stick. It would not interfere with the pilot's feet or the rudder bar or the
brake pedals. It would lift out, the handle would telescope out just like in
the airport, and off we go on roller wheels. Probably be a little wobbly since
it would be in the shape of a 'V', but I've even thought about putting the wheels
on the 'top' and the handle on the 'bottom' so that it would ride over the
ground like an inverted 'V' and be more stable.
Now I only have 999,998 other projects ahead of that one. If someone else wants
to invent this thing and start selling them, I'll bet they could sell 8 or 10
of them to lunatics like me who fly Air Campers and who think they can travel
somewhere in a 70 MPH airplane with a 2 hour range ;o)
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Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
Ask him about the road grader...
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: Have you guys seen this before? |
Mark; that is awesome! Now to figure out how to fit an iPad into my instrument
panel ;o) And the magenta hoops would be diving pretty much straight down for
a power-off approach in the Piet ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: For the record...(edit) wood landing gear lessons |
learned
Tools,
I see Monterey written all over your last couple of posts on this thread. For the
non-naval aviation types, Monterey was for many years the home of the Navy's
Aviation Safety School. I know from previous conversations that Tools spent
time there, went through the course,and was the Aviation Safety Officer for his
squadron.
Thanks, Tools, for the description, analysis, and recommendations from this incident.
It's not always easy to state the good the bad and the ugly when things
happen. Hopefully sharing will help others to avoid a repeat and damage to their
aircraft.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: Have you guys seen this before? |
Ha! My thoughts exactly ...
In thinking the glide slope squares would be close together and dang near vertical
:D
The app would say: nearest landing point is directly below you...
Anyway, I thought it was a cool app, and something I can add to the iPad I am using
to reply to this message!
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
Hi I am Don's wife. The only way you can buy these is from a "thirty one" consultant,
I am not one, but my friend is. I got one for my hubby because I thought
it would be neat in the plane. :-). Brownie points for me!!
The solid colors they come in are: black, forest green, grey, maroon, navy, orange,
purple, red, royal blue and camo. They do have some pretty circles and
floral patterns:-). HAPPY DOTS is my favorite, haha.
You can get a lid, they come in black, grey and brown.
The cost of these to be shipped to your home is $52.01. She waived the extra shipping
fee.
The cost to have your N number put on it in a color of your choice via embroidery
is $60.09.
They are a bit pricy...but Don likes it. We are not getting anything out of this.
If you want one let him know.
:-)
gretchen
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
Oh my... so I was showing this to my girlfriend... and she's got one for me already!
She promises the polka dots aren't girly. Oh my...
Anyone have any experience with Ritt dye?
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Subject: | Re: For the record...(edit) wood landing gear lessons |
learned
ASO school was even more depressing... six weeks of how your buddies morted themselves.
So this is child's play... no worries!
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Subject: | Re: Spoked Wheels |
Thanks for the description, Craig. I have always thought it was some diffic
ult system of making discs, mounting them, etc. I think the covered (disc) w
heels just look so authentic.
Thanks again.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 10, 2013, at 2:32 PM, Craig Aho <soar561@hotmail.com> wrote:
> If I am remembering correctly I first put the tire on and then cut a piece
of fabric out slightly larger in diam. than the rim and pushed the tire bea
d back brushed in some glue and tucked the fabric in working my way around t
he rim. I also glued to the wood spacer I applied to my hub. Later I shrunk t
he fabric and cut out the axel hole. that was all there was to it.
>
> Craig
>
> > From: raykrause@frontiernet.net
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels
> > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:04:35 -0700
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >
net>
> >
> > Craig,
> >
> > How did you cover the wheels with fabric?
> >
> > Ray Krause
> > SkyScout
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> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:02 AM, "CraigAho" <Soar561@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels bu
t leave them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted t
hem originally before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so I
can repaint the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will have
to paint the spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably or m
aybe some contrasting color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new ship b
ut at this point I like Black and light blue, but that is a ways off at this
point. Also am considering if I could use my original 4.5" brake drums with
a Band instead of the internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not deployed o
verseas with the Navy as he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I would have h
im re-lace and true so I wouldn't have to do it again.
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Subject: | Re: Spoked Wheels |
Got it.
Thanks again,
Ray
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 10, 2013, at 2:37 PM, Craig Aho <soar561@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Forgot to mention that the fabric is installed before inflating the tire. I
know this seems obvious but just in case.
>
> Craig
>
> > From: raykrause@frontiernet.net
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels
> > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:04:35 -0700
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >
net>
> >
> > Craig,
> >
> > How did you cover the wheels with fabric?
> >
> > Ray Krause
> > SkyScout
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:02 AM, "CraigAho" <Soar561@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels bu
t leave them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted t
hem originally before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so I
can repaint the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will have
to paint the spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably or m
aybe some contrasting color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new ship b
ut at this point I like Black and light blue, but that is a ways off at this
point. Also am considering if I could use my original 4.5" brake drums with
a Band instead of the internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not deployed o
verseas with the Navy as he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I would have h
im re-lace and true so I wouldn't have to do it again.
> > >
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Subject: | rudder bar stops |
I believe it was Clif who posted some nice pix of his rudder bar, cables, and associated
details in that area. His hand-shaped wooden rudder bar stops were
included. I would consider stops to be essential. Besides the fact that the
rudder *will* strike the elevators if the rudder bar is permitted to travel to
its full extents, the other problem is that the pilot's feet AND the rudder bar
can contact the front seat plywood upright support if there are no stops.
Ask me how I know... I'm getting ready to repair a separation of the plywood from
the floor x-member due to my shoe pushing the plywood to the point of failure
at the glue joint.
You talk about a pain to get in there and make a repair... working bent over the
edge of the front cockpit isn't too easy, especially if you enjoy craft microbrew
ales and stouts and your midsection shows it. Like tools mentioned, hand
tools are really the only way to carefully remove the damaged work in these
areas and then shape replacements, but those oscillating multi-tools could possibly
used to advantage in situations like this IF one had good control of the
tool and was slow and patient.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: rudder bar stops |
Those oscillating multi tools are new to me and deserve come careful consideration.
I believe they are mostly going to reduce some effort on large jobs, like
cutting door jambs and such for hardwood flooring installations.
The "one of" jobs like in airplane repairs and building are still probably best
suited for a decent selection of hand tools.
Still, just recently saw the newer generation of those things and am really intrigued.
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Subject: | Re: rudder bar stops |
By the way... craft micro brews and such... YA, really enjoy them! Been an all
grain brewer for many years, but finally upgrading to trying a heat exchange
recirculating mash system. I have a Brutus 10 in the works...
Was thinking of brewing a special brew for Brodhead if there's interest in such.
Can either bottle it or just have it available on tap (easier).
Just threw a Creme Brulee Stout clone in the fermenter!
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Subject: | Re: rudder bar stops |
Lastly, those tools use "universal" motors. IF they aren't speed controlled, a
cheap "router speed controller" (available all day long for cheap on ebay) would
tame those things. I use them on older Biax scrapers that aren't inherently
speed controllable. Work great.
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