---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/10/13: 54 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:27 AM - Mario's progress (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 04:37 AM - Re: 3 days to rebuild--very impressive (Don Emch) 3. 05:06 AM - Re: Re: "Re-PIET" tire change (helspersew@aol.com) 4. 05:09 AM - Re: Mario's progress (Mario Giacummo) 5. 05:12 AM - Need contact (helspersew@aol.com) 6. 05:16 AM - Re: Finish a wing (giacummo) 7. 05:22 AM - Re: Need contact (Gardiner) 8. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: Could be Aircraft Related... (Michael Perez) 9. 05:52 AM - Re: Could be Aircraft Related... (jarheadpilot82) 10. 06:19 AM - Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In (Fun2av8) 11. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: straight axle landing gear (Craig Aho) 12. 08:06 AM - Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In (Don Emch) 13. 08:12 AM - For the record... geesh... (tools) 14. 09:56 AM - Re: For the record... geesh... (Michael Perez) 15. 10:22 AM - Re: For the record... geesh... (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 16. 10:27 AM - Pietenpol storage bag (Don Emch) 17. 10:40 AM - 'both men are master craftsman' (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 18. 11:02 AM - Spoked Wheels (CraigAho) 19. 11:07 AM - Re: For the record... geesh... (tools) 20. 11:24 AM - Re: For the record... geesh... (nightmare) 21. 12:12 PM - Re: For the record... geesh... (tools) 22. 01:04 PM - Re: Spoked Wheels (Ray Krause) 23. 01:19 PM - Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In (kevinpurtee) 24. 01:20 PM - Anyone near Denver? (Douwe Blumberg) 25. 01:20 PM - Re: Pietenpol storage bag (kevinpurtee) 26. 01:34 PM - Re: For the record...(edit) wood landing gear lessons learned (nightmare) 27. 02:28 PM - Re: Anyone near Denver? (Ken Bickers) 28. 02:32 PM - Re: Spoked Wheels (Craig Aho) 29. 02:37 PM - Re: Spoked Wheels (Craig Aho) 30. 03:02 PM - Have you guys seen this before? (Mark Roberts) 31. 03:43 PM - Re: An Inquiry (Dick N) 32. 04:15 PM - SNF (Dick N) 33. 04:37 PM - Re: SNF (Ryan M) 34. 04:55 PM - Re: Pietenpol storage bag (Fun2av8) 35. 04:58 PM - Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In (Fun2av8) 36. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol storage bag (Marcus Zechini) 37. 05:04 PM - Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (Fun2av8) 38. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum Bump (Gary Boothe) 39. 05:30 PM - Re: Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In (Jack Phillips) 40. 05:47 PM - Re: Pietenpol storage bag (Don Emch) 41. 05:49 PM - Re: Pietenpol storage bag (taildrags) 42. 05:53 PM - Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In (Don Emch) 43. 06:05 PM - Re: Have you guys seen this before? (taildrags) 44. 06:10 PM - Re: For the record...(edit) wood landing gear lessons learned (jarheadpilot82) 45. 06:22 PM - Re: Have you guys seen this before? (Mark Roberts) 46. 06:30 PM - Re: Pietenpol storage bag (Don Emch) 47. 07:02 PM - Re: Pietenpol storage bag (tools) 48. 07:35 PM - Re: For the record...(edit) wood landing gear lessons learned (tools) 49. 09:00 PM - Re: Spoked Wheels (Ray Krause) 50. 09:01 PM - Re: Spoked Wheels (Ray Krause) 51. 09:11 PM - rudder bar stops (taildrags) 52. 09:20 PM - Re: rudder bar stops (tools) 53. 09:24 PM - Re: rudder bar stops (tools) 54. 09:28 PM - Re: rudder bar stops (tools) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:10 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mario's progress Looks GREAT Mario! Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 days to rebuild--very impressive From: "Don Emch" Tools, Wow! You should have a future in the aircraft restoration business. You'll undercut everybody out there! That is some impressive time. You need to share how you get your glue and your dope to dry fast enough for all the build up coats. I know if I spray more than three coats a day it starts to really act up on me. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398329#398329 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Re-PIET" tire change From: helspersew@aol.com Douwe, this is your finest work of art! And THAT'S saying something! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: tools Sent: Tue, Apr 9, 2013 8:52 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Re-PIET" tire change Gray tyres, schmay tyres... (although the gray is TOTALLY cool...), it IS a beautiful ship. Every pic I see seems to show off a few more details. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398299#398299 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:46 AM PST US From: Mario Giacummo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mario's progress Thank you all, but Douwe great looks your Piet!!! this round nose, the silencer/exaust tube (or muffle?), the color scheme.. the wood struts and cabanes...etc, etc.. a beautifull job. see you. Mario Giacummo . -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- / ...- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - . 2013/4/10 Douwe Blumberg > Looks GREAT Mario! **** > > ** ** > > Douwe**** > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need contact From: helspersew@aol.com Anybody know what Jeff Boatwright's email is? Somebody I know needs it. Tha nks. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Finish a wing From: "giacummo" Craig, can you post a photo?... how is the adherence between latex an polyurethane? latex is very flexible, polyurethane is hard. Can you tell me more? thanks -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398336#398336 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:26 AM PST US From: Gardiner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need contact On 4/10/2013 8:12 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > Anybody know what Jeff Boatwright's email is? Somebody I know needs > it. Thanks. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > * > his email isjeffboatright@emory.edu cheers, gardiner > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:47 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Could be Aircraft Related... Thanks Terry.- I have no idea about noise and drag being related either. - I am curious if this idea would work along the lines of- VGs on wings or dimples on a golf ball. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Could be Aircraft Related... From: "jarheadpilot82" Michael, My assumption would be (and I know what happens when you assume) that there might be some small correlation, but the cost of such modification and the actual drag relief gained would be inversely related. I guess that is a nice way of saying, "it ain't worth it". But what do I know. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398343#398343 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In From: "Fun2av8" Since this will be my first time to Brodhead, has anyone got any pictures of their front cockpit loaded with camping gear? With food onsite - my guess is a small tent and sleeping bag. One would also not want to be without the necessities (microwave, ice box, suit case, fold-up bike, and of course, the kitchen sink) :-) BTW, last count, I think there are at least 5 Piets making the pilgrimage to Brodhead as a formation starting in Virginia. I think we are picking up a few more enroute. No firm departure date has been set - but I would guess Monday or Tuesday ( July 22-23). As a tag-a-long, I'm ready to go either day. The details for the 38th Annual Pietenpol Reunion are posted on the Brodhead Pietenpol Association website at: http://www.pietenpols.org/id17.html -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398348#398348 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:28 AM PST US From: Craig Aho Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: straight axle landing gear Yes=2C Seattle area. Howdy Neighbor. Craig From: cdawson5854@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: straight axle landing gear =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A You're welcome. Yes=2C I'm in Vancouver.=0A Since you said "up" can I assume you're=0A in Washington?=0A =0A Clif=0A =0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: =0A Craig Aho =0A =0A To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A =0A Sent: Tuesday=2C April 09=2C 2013 7:22 =0A AM=0A Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: straight =0A axle landing gear=0A =0A Thank you Clif I appreciate the info as I have been very =0A interested in the types of brakes and ways other have delt with the =0A rotation issue. On my first Piet NX40772 I used a rather crude method =0A although as I think about it I suppose it fit the era of the design and =0A it did work. I am a simple person so I am facinated at the enginuity =0A and craftsmanship of others. Am I correct that you live up in Beautiful =0A BC? Greetings from a fellow N. Westerner =0A Craig =0A =0A > From: cdawson5854@shaw.ca > To: =0A pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: straight =0A axle landing gear > Date: Mon=2C 8 Apr 2013 23:39:56 -0700 > =0A > The entire brake assembly is free floating on the > axle. The =0A axle does whatever it would do if > there weren't any brakes at all. I =0A went through > a few trees worth of paper to come up with the > =0A position and angles that would minimize the > rotational movement of the =0A brake assembly as > the axle goes up and down over bumps. > =0A > I don't expect to be using the brakes moving > over anything =0A that bumpy anyway and I certainly > don't plan on hitting the brakes on =0A touchdown! :-) > And not when moving at more than a snails pace > =0A either. Mostly for runup and pivot turning. Just > like the Chief I =0A presently fly. On the grass at my > strip=2C idle the engine and it stops =0A pretty quick on > it's own. > > This pic illustrates the =0A main parts. The disc=2C of > course=2C bolts to the wheel hub.There is a =0A large > bearing sheet between that and the plate on the > right =0A shown by a thick dark line. The only things > attached to the axle are =0A the end cap and split > collar. They hold everything in place =0A and > alignment. Clear as mud ??? :-) > > Clif > =0A Nothing worse could happen to one than > to be completely =0A understood. > C.G.Jung > > > > > > =0A > > > > Am trying to visualize =0A how this works=2C so the white metal arm is free to > > pivot up and =0A back down with the axel and still prevents rotation under > > =0A braking? I assume we only need 2-3 inches of travel for the axel? > =0A > > > > > > > > > Read this topic =0A online here: > > > > =0A http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398165#398165 > > > =0A > > > > > > > > > > > > =0A > > > > > > > > > > > =0A ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG =0A - www.avg.com > > =0A =0A href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A =0A No virus found in this =0A message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus =0A Database: 3162/6235 - Release Date: 04/09/13=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In From: "Don Emch" Jim, It's good to hear you are going to try to fly in. You know Mr. Sam has been to Brodhead a time or two in the past. Probably mid 90's. that's a really good airplane. I'm on the road right now but when I get back in the next day or two I will post a couple of pictures of my bag/sling I use. Works great and is a bag that you can order, even has a lid. If you get a chance try to talk to Andrew King, I'm sure he could share some stories about Mr. Sam. He's actually not too far from you. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398365#398365 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: For the record... geesh... From: "tools" Nearly a year ago, in April, my Piet was severely damaged during a landing. One of the wood gear members gave out, which caused a collapse of the gear, causing the fuselage to drop onto the solid axle thusly breaking the bottom longerons (and a little of the side skins). Also, three of the four wing struts came into contact with the wheels, and bent them. Also suffered a prop strike. I was fortunate no one was hurt (was alone), and it was in my back yard. It was almost exactly 4 months until the airplane was airworthy again. Of those 4 months, there were probably 3 1/2 weeks worth of work days put into the plane. This included extensive dismantling so that I could store as much as possible, close to my shop. The wing had to get transported (didn't have my wing trailer then) to a friend's shop, where it got stored until ready to go back together. Was another fiasco getting it back to the property and onto the plane, learned a lot! The prop was damaged but the engine was not (me and friend took it apart, had all the parts inspected, put it all back together...). Other than that, 3 of the 4 wing struts were damaged. 3 of the 4 gear members were damaged. Two longerons, two side skins, belly skin and a crossmember. Nine pieces of wood, three pieces of metal. Repairs to the fuselage took 3 days. Not very amazing. When I started repairs on the fuse, it was a hundred or so pound structure. Nothing but wood, fabric, tailwheel and some fittings. I could lift it and turn it over by myself, it was THAT dismantled (so it would fit where my woodworking stuff is). When I was done, it was the same 100 pound (or so) structure, but without broken wood or torn fabric anywhere. I had to replace sections on 4 pieces of the original fuse (longerons and side skins), and make and install a new crossmember and belly skin. That's it. I purposely staged in a way that actual repairs would go quickly so that it wasn't apart long. Both for memory sake and because wood tends to do some moving on it's own. Since three of the gear legs were destroyed (I had replaced one already, it survived), I just made an all new set. I had patterns... At that point, putting it all back together was akin to all y'alls (who've built or restored one) final assembly. Incredibly tedious and time consuming. But the repairs to the fuse were not. Very straight forward and akin to installing a door on a previously completed and covered fuse I imagine, which is why I referred to it. I never even came close to claiming I took an airplane resting on an axle in a field back to airworthy in three days. I repaired the damage in three. Incredible cynicism makes it tough to determine if it was just not very obvious (I didn't tell EVERYTHING because it wasn't germain to installing a door), or just plain rudeness that elevated a simple description of repairs to a fuselage into grand claims of restoration abilities. One would think the former would result in a simple question... The repairs came out really really well, I was extremely happy with them and their performance. The repaired fabric, not so much... I'm happy to practice that sort of thing now. Safe and completely functional, but I've got some work to do there. I really wanted to document it all really well, but my camera was broke, don't own a smart phone and I was in a hurry. And now you have, ala Paul Harvey, the rest of the story... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398366#398366 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:49 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For the record... geesh... Nice wrap up Tools. I applaud your efforts and the work you put forth to: 1) repair your AC and 2) write a debrief as you just have. One comment I will make about your previous post: I believed you hinted at cleanliness and orginization in your shop. I could not agree with you more. IMO, nothing is much more irritating than spending time looking for a tool hidden under some debris on the far end of a work bench. A clean, well organized shop goes a long way to adding to the enjoyment of our craft. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:50 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For the record... geesh... UNCLASSIFIED Mike the two Aircraft craftsmen I respect the most are very different. One disassembles things and places them in specific baggies and has his tools labeled and put on a board. If one is missing there is a obvious blank spot. He has only the most current and best quality tools. His workshop is light and airish with a lot of room for each project. Only one project at a time and they are more "Modern" The other has piles of scrap metal and parts piled all around the walls of his hangar/workshop. He has shelves just covered with parts, nuts, bolts screws and misc other items. His hangar/workshop is crowded, dark and somewhat dirty. (NOTE he does insist that all tools go back to the right drawers or the right shelf.) He always has 4 or 5 projects going and piles of parts laying under the project. He is always being sidetracked by people needing his help on their project. His tools are mostly 1930-70 vintage and require a bit of knowledge to run (He has a lathe that will turn out a 6 ft long axle if you need. It has a huge electric motor and a Ford Model A tranny to adjust the speeds.) both men are master craftsmen. The "sloppy" one has the greater knowledge. Blue Skies, Steve D On 04/10/13, Michael Perez wrote: > > Nice wrap up Tools. I applaud your efforts and the work you put forth to: 1) repair your AC and 2) write a debrief as you just have. > > One comment I will make about your previous post: I believed you hinted at cleanliness and orginization in your shop. I could not agree with you more. IMO, nothing is much more irritating than spending time looking for a tool hidden under some debris on the far end of a work bench. A clean, well organized shop goes a long way to adding to the enjoyment of our craft. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol storage bag From: "Don Emch" I wanted to post the pictures of my storage bag I use for taking trips. Jim, Mr. Sam's new owner was asking. I don't want to tell too many people but the bag I use is a "Thirty One" bag. Most women will know what that is. This is about the most "manly" bag they make. I'm sure some of you would like to dress up your Piet a little with pink, polka dots, and flowers, which are all available with this bag, but I chose straight black. :-) Anyway the really cool thing about this bag is it is exactly the right width to drop down in the front cockpit. I added a couple of dowel rods so it can hang on the longerons. It has a wire stiffened top, all the way around the bag. You can even buy a lid with it. In the one picture with my son in the front you can start to see the lid. We used this last year for our week long Barnstorming trip. It hangs above his legs so he still had room under the bag. Really worked great. If interested I can get the order number from my wife. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398372#398372 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1410_186.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3394_178.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3392_111.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:44 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 'both men are master craftsman' Steve-- well said. I know a local guy who cranks out award winning work b ut his shop is a shambles yet he knows where every nut, bolt, and document is. He's owned his own airport for mo re than 50 years and still does show-stopping work in his 80's. My good friend Bill Klosz took a look at my tools and basement when I finis hed my airplane and he said 'how did you make such a nice looking airplane with such junkie tools?' both men are master craftsmen. The "sloppy" one has the greater knowledge. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels From: "CraigAho" I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels but leave them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted them originally before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so I can repaint the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will have to paint the spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably or maybe some contrasting color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new ship but at this point I like Black and light blue, but that is a ways off at this point. Also am considering if I could use my original 4.5" brake drums with a Band instead of the internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not deployed overseas with the Navy as he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I would have him re-lace and true so I wouldn't have to do it again. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398375#398375 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/file10_104.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/file16_711.jpg ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: For the record... geesh... From: "tools" Oh... may have led folks astray again... I'm, well, while not attesting to the "greater" knowledge portion, DEFINITELY in the latter description! However, with the hangar and new shop I plan to gravitate towards the former as much as possible! Mike's shop makes me green with envy. Reminds me of the "model airplane factory", a guy I know near Huntsville. A true renaissance type with a shop that looks like a laboratory. And while it's that neat and clean, he gets A LOT done. And it's SUPER high quality. If he ever decided to build a plane (not sure he hasn't actually), it would be done in a year and it makes me tingly to think how nice it would look... and then he'd sell it, lose interest, and go on to the next venture. The tools go a bit further back (turn of the century), and they all have some quirk or another (hell, many of them literally came off a scrap truck...), so ya, I'm firmly in that camp. Getting a new line shaft driven Rockford metal lathe. Ten cents a pound, under two hundred bucks. Either he stops by my house, or the scrapyard... Don't think I could sleep at night if I let that thing get melted down. It's one hundred percent functional, probably be the best condition lathe I own. It'll turn 18 (or 20) in diameter and about 5' between centers, complete with the single machine overhead lineshaft and 1930's electric motor AND a belt lacer! Cheaper than an asian 9x20... One and a half inch through hole, PERFECT for an airplane axle. Just got a 1940's (maybe earlier) Nichols mill given to me. It needs a little work... Talk about the PERFECT machine for fish mouthing aircraft tubing. I don't know if I'll ever get a Piet built. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398376#398376 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: For the record... geesh... From: "nightmare" Tools; when your gear broke, do you think there was any way for that there was a way for that to be prevented. (Thicker/ different wood, larger fittings.....). Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398378#398378 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: For the record... geesh... From: "tools" Well, kinda thought that would eventually come up. Like ALL mishaps, it's a very long chain... First, the gear legs weren't all that well fitted within the fuse fittings (these were NOT made my Dick, it's VERY clear in the builder's log they came with the fuse already made and fitted), and by appearances, they looked fine. Second, I LEARNED to fly a tail dragger in this thing. My son LEARNED to fly in this thing... we were NOT babying it by ANY means?! Ya know? Ya, it definitely took some hits. We found one leg had developed some cracks, so we replaced it. Not easy, but took measurements and fabricated a replacement leg and installed it at the hangar 10 miles from my shop. It fit perfectly only needing some relief where there was a thing I couldn't see... not a big deal. I could see they needed to be a bit thicker, so did that and brought some shims to get a good fit between the fuse fittings. Third, it was UGLY, and I knew it, but PERFECTLY functional, just wanted to keep flying to didn't even bother to round it, streamline it, anything. Was going to build some new gear but wanted it at the house (I've got JUST enough property to put in a single direction landing strip (take off down hill, land up hill, PLENTY of room and good approach/departure). So, had landed there a dozen times, my son was landing there, all was good... and the DAY I finally had enough time off to get the gear project done and the forecast was good enough to keep the plane outdoors, I decided to bring it to the house... a perfect touchdown... but a bit fast... lapped the stick and got airborne for a bounce. THAT bounce broke one of the other three legs, can't determine which one, and down came the house of cards. Post mishap analysis shows the legs had very elongated holes from movement. I didn't see that, but realize in hind sight I should have known from the other leg I removed... dammit! The one replacement held on well enough to take the fitting right out of the fuse. The others just popped free. I think wrapping (like you can clearly see on Dowe's plane, sure I've seen it on others) would have helped for sure. Bust mostly, they need to fit the fittings TIGHTLY. Snug fits, tight bolts, up tight to the bottom of the fuse. Like wood struts, you want friction between the fitting and the wood to provide the strength (many make these fittings larger) and the bolts to merely provide that friction. So, starting with headwork and working your way back, it's the execution of what's on the plans that will keep you out of trouble. Poorer execution can be compensated for by beefing up to some degree. A VERY STRONG design. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398380#398380 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:58 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels Craig, How did you cover the wheels with fabric? Ray Krause SkyScout Sent from my iPad On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:02 AM, "CraigAho" wrote: > > I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels but leave them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted them originally before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so I can repaint the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will have to paint the spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably or maybe some contrasting color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new ship but at this point I like Black and light blue, but that is a ways off at this point. Also am considering if I could use my original 4.5" brake drums with a Band instead of the internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not deployed overseas with the Navy as he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I would have him re-lace and true so I wouldn't have to do it again. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398375#398375 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/file10_104.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/file16_711.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In From: "kevinpurtee" Duffel bag in the front seat. Mr. McWhorter, would you please e-mail me privately? I'd like to send you some information: kevin.purtee@us.army.mil -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398387#398387 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/duffel_in_front_222.jpg ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone near Denver? From: Douwe Blumberg Am near Denver for meetings and might be free tonite. Ken or any builders in the area gonna be working tonite or want to show off their project? Best to just call me. 805 573 3564 Sent from my iPhon ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol storage bag From: "kevinpurtee" Do they make "Hello Kitty" bags, Don? -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398388#398388 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: For the record...(edit) wood landing gear lessons learned From: "nightmare" Thanks for the explanation Tools. Ive read some safety bulletin in the past about poor welds on piet gear that have caused several accidents. Nice to hear its not a design problem in this case either. I'll be sure to take your advice. Thanks; Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398390#398390 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone near Denver? From: Ken Bickers Douwe, I'd be delighted to have you drop by. I'm in Longmont, which is about 45 minutes to an hour north of Denver, depending on where you are staying. I should be home from work by 6:00. You can save me from putting on the perimeter finishing tapes on the horizontal stabilizer this evening and cutting finishing tapes for the ailerons. Call me on my cell: 303 746 3313 Cheers, Ken On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > douweblumberg@earthlink.net> > > Am near Denver for meetings and might be free tonite. Ken or any builders > in the area gonna be working tonite or want to show off their project? > Best to just call me. 805 573 3564 > > Sent from my iPhon > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:29 PM PST US From: Craig Aho Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels If I am remembering correctly I first put the tire on and then cut a piece of fabric out slightly larger in diam. than the rim and pushed the tire bea d back brushed in some glue and tucked the fabric in working my way around the rim. I also glued to the wood spacer I applied to my hub. Later I shrun k the fabric and cut out the axel hole. that was all there was to it. Craig > From: raykrause@frontiernet.net > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels > Date: Wed=2C 10 Apr 2013 13:04:35 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > et> > > Craig=2C > > How did you cover the wheels with fabric? > > Ray Krause > SkyScout > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 10=2C 2013=2C at 11:02 AM=2C "CraigAho" wrot e: > > > > > I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels but leave them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted them originally before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so I can repaint the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will h ave to paint the spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably or maybe some contrasting color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new s hip but at this point I like Black and light blue=2C but that is a ways off at this point. Also am considering if I could use my original 4.5" brake d rums with a Band instead of the internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not deployed overseas with the Navy as he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I w ould have him re-lace and true so I wouldn't have to do it again. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398375#398375 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/file10_104.jpg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/file16_711.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:20 PM PST US From: Craig Aho Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels Forgot to mention that the fabric is installed before inflating the tire. I know this seems obvious but just in case. Craig > From: raykrause@frontiernet.net > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels > Date: Wed=2C 10 Apr 2013 13:04:35 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > et> > > Craig=2C > > How did you cover the wheels with fabric? > > Ray Krause > SkyScout > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 10=2C 2013=2C at 11:02 AM=2C "CraigAho" wrot e: > > > > > I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels but leave them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted them originally before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so I can repaint the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will h ave to paint the spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably or maybe some contrasting color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new s hip but at this point I like Black and light blue=2C but that is a ways off at this point. Also am considering if I could use my original 4.5" brake d rums with a Band instead of the internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not deployed overseas with the Navy as he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I w ould have him re-lace and true so I wouldn't have to do it again. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398375#398375 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/file10_104.jpg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/file16_711.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Have you guys seen this before? From: Mark Roberts I watched part of this demo today, and for those of us that have an iPad, or iPhone, this looks like a useful tool... And at just $99, it won't break the wallet. What I found most interesting is the constant tracking of your location and where you could "power off" land in the event of an engine failure. The video demo was outstanding on this. The iPad will literally draw a series of boxes to fly through to make it to the landing spot wit proper speed and direction taken into account. Pretty neat! Anyway, for what it is worth to the community: http://xavion.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3KE00OMiKVQ Mark ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:25 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: An Inquiry Thanks ralph I didnt realize Youngbloods was carrying sitka spruce again. They are a very good yard, when I get home I will check them out. Thanks Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: An Inquiry Hi Dick, I think the name of the lumberyard I went to was something like Youngblood=99s. Some one at Brodhead had told me about it saying it was where canoe and other wood boat builders bought their lumber. It was a lot of years ago but it seems like it was in north central area of Minneapolis. They had just gotten in a shipment of sitka spruce and I could pick through for what I wanted. There was very straight grain 1=9D by 6=9D (full size) boards about 16 feet long. I hauled it on top of my Dodge caravan and had to leave my camper in my cousins yard north of Stillwater to haul my lumber home. It is amazing how your priorities change when you are in the early stages of airplane construction. Ralph ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:02 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF Hey ya'all Hi from SNF, hope you can make it down here, weather is beautiful. We are building a Pietenpol fuselage and wing ribs in the wood shop this year it is going really good. So far Skip Gadd, Ben Chevranet and I are working every day. John Hoffman and his wife stopped by today, I will be looking for Perry Rhodes we all hope more of you can make it down here. Later Dick N. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF From: Ryan M The kids and I are planning on stopping by Saturday. Ryan Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2013, at 7:14 PM, "Dick N" wrote: > Hey ya'all > Hi from SNF, hope you can make it down here, weather is beautiful. We are building a Pietenpol fuselage and wing ribs in the wood shop this year it i s going really good. So far Skip Gadd, Ben Chevranet and I are working ever y day. John Hoffman and his wife stopped by today, I will be looking for Pe rry Rhodes we all hope more of you can make it down here. > Later > Dick N. > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol storage bag From: "Fun2av8" Yes, for sure! Please post the ordering details. -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398402#398402 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In From: "Fun2av8" Yes,, I do know Andrew King - he visits the Flying Circus occasionally, He worked with Ken Hyde on the Wright Brothers project, and he flew biplanes in the movie 'Fly Boys". Neat guy. I will touch base with him and see what war stories he has about "Mr. Sam" -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398403#398403 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol storage bag From: Marcus Zechini Looks like I would have to remove the front control stick to install. I am thinking/hoping enough room in a duffle in front seat On Apr 10, 2013 6:56 PM, "Fun2av8" wrote: > > > Yes, for sure! Please post the ordering details. > > -------- > Jim McWhorter > N687MB (New Owner) > Culpeper, VA KCJR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398402#398402 > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam From: "Fun2av8" 3 Days and counting until I pick-up my new Pietenpol .... not that I'm counting or anything like that. :D -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398405#398405 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:48 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Bump Don't tell anyone, Mark, especially Mike Cuy...I don't have Uncle Tony's books. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 10:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Bump --> That's cool Gary! You gotta tell me how it's done, or is this in one of Uncle Tony's books too! I've got the whole set, but haven't cracked the engine ones yet... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398115#398115 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:28 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In Jim, For the first couple of years, I carried everything with me. I carried my tent and sleeping bag in the nose baggage compartment and carried all my clothes in a duffle bag in the front seat, as shown in the picture below: This picture was taken while flying over northern Ohio in formation with Mike Cuy when I flew to Brodhead for the first time in 2005. Since then, I learned to ship my camping gear to a friend who lives not too far from Brodhead. Even later, I learned to just leave it with him and let him store it for me since I don't camp anywhere else but Brodhead. Does Mr. Sam have a baggage compartment? Many Piets have either a nose baggage compartment or a wing centersection baggage compartment, but if you have neither, then a sling for the front seat as Don Emch mentioned is the best solution. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fun2av8 Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:19 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In Since this will be my first time to Brodhead, has anyone got any pictures of their front cockpit loaded with camping gear? With food onsite - my guess is a small tent and sleeping bag. One would also not want to be without the necessities (microwave, ice box, suit case, fold-up bike, and of course, the kitchen sink) :-) BTW, last count, I think there are at least 5 Piets making the pilgrimage to Brodhead as a formation starting in Virginia. I think we are picking up a few more enroute. No firm departure date has been set - but I would guess Monday or Tuesday ( July 22-23). As a tag-a-long, I'm ready to go either day. The details for the 38th Annual Pietenpol Reunion are posted on the Brodhead Pietenpol Association website at: http://www.pietenpols.org/id17.html -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398348#398348 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol storage bag From: "Don Emch" I'll get that order information from my wife. There are several colors available and you can even have your N Number embroidered on there. I'll get the cost too. Kevin, I checked, sorry no Hello Kitty but my wife is checking for other pretty colors for you. :-) By the way, I made my front stick to be quickly removable and it has to be out for the bag to be in there. What I like most about it us I can still have a passenger up there too. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398408#398408 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol storage bag From: "taildrags" I have a standard soft-sided zippered suitcase out in the garage. The zippers have been mangled enough by airport security and DHS to where the suitcase is useless anymore, but I've kept it so I could salvage the roller wheels and telescoping handle/spine from it. I have been thinking about how to custom-make a travel bag that would fit in the front cockpit of the Piet but use the handle, spine, and wheels from the salvaged suitcase. It would be wedge-shaped with the bottom the same size as the front seat of an Air Camper and the top the width of the front cockpit so it could be strapped in just like a passenger and it would ride securely in there. It would not require removal of the front stick. It would not interfere with the pilot's feet or the rudder bar or the brake pedals. It would lift out, the handle would telescope out just like in the airport, and off we go on roller wheels. Probably be a little wobbly since it would be in the shape of a 'V', but I've even thought about putting the wheels on the 'top' and the handle on the 'bottom' so that it would ride over the ground like an inverted 'V' and be more stable. Now I only have 999,998 other projects ahead of that one. If someone else wants to invent this thing and start selling them, I'll bet they could sell 8 or 10 of them to lunatics like me who fly Air Campers and who think they can travel somewhere in a 70 MPH airplane with a 2 hour range ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398409#398409 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In From: "Don Emch" Ask him about the road grader... Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398410#398410 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Have you guys seen this before? From: "taildrags" Mark; that is awesome! Now to figure out how to fit an iPad into my instrument panel ;o) And the magenta hoops would be diving pretty much straight down for a power-off approach in the Piet ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398413#398413 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: For the record...(edit) wood landing gear lessons learned From: "jarheadpilot82" Tools, I see Monterey written all over your last couple of posts on this thread. For the non-naval aviation types, Monterey was for many years the home of the Navy's Aviation Safety School. I know from previous conversations that Tools spent time there, went through the course,and was the Aviation Safety Officer for his squadron. Thanks, Tools, for the description, analysis, and recommendations from this incident. It's not always easy to state the good the bad and the ugly when things happen. Hopefully sharing will help others to avoid a repeat and damage to their aircraft. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398414#398414 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Have you guys seen this before? From: "Mark Roberts" Ha! My thoughts exactly ... In thinking the glide slope squares would be close together and dang near vertical :D The app would say: nearest landing point is directly below you... Anyway, I thought it was a cool app, and something I can add to the iPad I am using to reply to this message! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398415#398415 ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol storage bag From: "Don Emch" Hi I am Don's wife. The only way you can buy these is from a "thirty one" consultant, I am not one, but my friend is. I got one for my hubby because I thought it would be neat in the plane. :-). Brownie points for me!! The solid colors they come in are: black, forest green, grey, maroon, navy, orange, purple, red, royal blue and camo. They do have some pretty circles and floral patterns:-). HAPPY DOTS is my favorite, haha. You can get a lid, they come in black, grey and brown. The cost of these to be shipped to your home is $52.01. She waived the extra shipping fee. The cost to have your N number put on it in a color of your choice via embroidery is $60.09. They are a bit pricy...but Don likes it. We are not getting anything out of this. If you want one let him know. :-) gretchen Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398416#398416 ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol storage bag From: "tools" Oh my... so I was showing this to my girlfriend... and she's got one for me already! She promises the polka dots aren't girly. Oh my... Anyone have any experience with Ritt dye? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398418#398418 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: For the record...(edit) wood landing gear lessons learned From: "tools" ASO school was even more depressing... six weeks of how your buddies morted themselves. So this is child's play... no worries! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398419#398419 ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:41 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels Thanks for the description, Craig. I have always thought it was some diffic ult system of making discs, mounting them, etc. I think the covered (disc) w heels just look so authentic. Thanks again. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Apr 10, 2013, at 2:32 PM, Craig Aho wrote: > If I am remembering correctly I first put the tire on and then cut a piece of fabric out slightly larger in diam. than the rim and pushed the tire bea d back brushed in some glue and tucked the fabric in working my way around t he rim. I also glued to the wood spacer I applied to my hub. Later I shrunk t he fabric and cut out the axel hole. that was all there was to it. > > Craig > > > From: raykrause@frontiernet.net > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels > > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:04:35 -0700 > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > net> > > > > Craig, > > > > How did you cover the wheels with fabric? > > > > Ray Krause > > SkyScout > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:02 AM, "CraigAho" wrote: > > > > > > > > I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels bu t leave them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted t hem originally before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so I can repaint the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will have to paint the spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably or m aybe some contrasting color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new ship b ut at this point I like Black and light blue, but that is a ways off at this point. Also am considering if I could use my original 4.5" brake drums with a Band instead of the internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not deployed o verseas with the Navy as he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I would have h im re-lace and true so I wouldn't have to do it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398375#398375 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/file10_104.jpg > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/file16_711.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >====================== > &g================== > > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:15 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels Got it. Thanks again, Ray Sent from my iPad On Apr 10, 2013, at 2:37 PM, Craig Aho wrote: > Forgot to mention that the fabric is installed before inflating the tire. I know this seems obvious but just in case. > > Craig > > > From: raykrause@frontiernet.net > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels > > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:04:35 -0700 > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > net> > > > > Craig, > > > > How did you cover the wheels with fabric? > > > > Ray Krause > > SkyScout > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:02 AM, "CraigAho" wrote: > > > > > > > > I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels bu t leave them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted t hem originally before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so I can repaint the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will have to paint the spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably or m aybe some contrasting color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new ship b ut at this point I like Black and light blue, but that is a ways off at this point. Also am considering if I could use my original 4.5" brake drums with a Band instead of the internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not deployed o verseas with the Navy as he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I would have h im re-lace and true so I wouldn't have to do it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398375#398375 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/file10_104.jpg > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/file16_711.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >======================= > > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder bar stops From: "taildrags" I believe it was Clif who posted some nice pix of his rudder bar, cables, and associated details in that area. His hand-shaped wooden rudder bar stops were included. I would consider stops to be essential. Besides the fact that the rudder *will* strike the elevators if the rudder bar is permitted to travel to its full extents, the other problem is that the pilot's feet AND the rudder bar can contact the front seat plywood upright support if there are no stops. Ask me how I know... I'm getting ready to repair a separation of the plywood from the floor x-member due to my shoe pushing the plywood to the point of failure at the glue joint. You talk about a pain to get in there and make a repair... working bent over the edge of the front cockpit isn't too easy, especially if you enjoy craft microbrew ales and stouts and your midsection shows it. Like tools mentioned, hand tools are really the only way to carefully remove the damaged work in these areas and then shape replacements, but those oscillating multi-tools could possibly used to advantage in situations like this IF one had good control of the tool and was slow and patient. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398422#398422 ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder bar stops From: "tools" Those oscillating multi tools are new to me and deserve come careful consideration. I believe they are mostly going to reduce some effort on large jobs, like cutting door jambs and such for hardwood flooring installations. The "one of" jobs like in airplane repairs and building are still probably best suited for a decent selection of hand tools. Still, just recently saw the newer generation of those things and am really intrigued. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398423#398423 ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder bar stops From: "tools" By the way... craft micro brews and such... YA, really enjoy them! Been an all grain brewer for many years, but finally upgrading to trying a heat exchange recirculating mash system. I have a Brutus 10 in the works... Was thinking of brewing a special brew for Brodhead if there's interest in such. Can either bottle it or just have it available on tap (easier). Just threw a Creme Brulee Stout clone in the fermenter! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398424#398424 ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder bar stops From: "tools" Lastly, those tools use "universal" motors. IF they aren't speed controlled, a cheap "router speed controller" (available all day long for cheap on ebay) would tame those things. I use them on older Biax scrapers that aren't inherently speed controllable. Work great. 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