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1. 01:40 AM - Re: Pietenpol storage bag (Don Emch)
2. 04:25 AM - Rudder Bar Stops (Michael Perez)
3. 05:41 AM - Re: rudder bar stops (Bill Church)
4. 06:16 AM - Men of Wood (John Hofmann)
5. 06:19 AM - rudder bar stops (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
6. 07:49 AM - Re: Spoked Wheels (Craig Aho)
7. 07:55 AM - Re: Spoked Wheels (Mario Giacummo)
8. 08:01 AM - Idea for Aho's new paint scheme (Douwe Blumberg)
9. 08:03 AM - Visit (Douwe Blumberg)
10. 08:20 AM - Re: Spoked Wheels (CraigAho)
11. 08:29 AM - Re: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme (Craig Aho)
12. 08:45 AM - Re: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme (Marcus Zechini)
13. 09:17 AM - Re: SNF (Barry Davis)
14. 09:48 AM - Re: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme (Craig Aho)
15. 10:21 AM - a front seat baggage idea (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
16. 11:43 AM - More Spoked Wheel Information (K5YAC)
17. 11:58 AM - Re: More Spoked Wheel Information (tools)
18. 12:01 PM - Re: More Spoked Wheel Information (Gary Boothe)
19. 12:24 PM - Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
20. 12:33 PM - Re: More Spoked Wheel Information (CraigAho)
21. 12:58 PM - Re: Re: Spoked Wheels (Ray Krause)
22. 01:34 PM - Re: Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires (K5YAC)
23. 01:37 PM - Re: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme (K5YAC)
24. 02:03 PM - welding.so easy a 12 year old could do it (nightmare)
25. 02:21 PM - Re: Re: Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires (Craig Aho)
26. 02:29 PM - Re: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information (Craig Aho)
27. 02:54 PM - Re: welding.so easy a 12 year old could do it (Gary Boothe)
28. 03:14 PM - Re: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme (helspersew@aol.com)
29. 04:01 PM - Covering question (Jack T. Textor)
30. 04:54 PM - Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In (Fun2av8)
31. 05:01 PM - Re: Covering question (G Hansen)
32. 05:12 PM - Re: Pietenpol storage bag (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
33. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol storage bag (Gary Boothe)
34. 05:32 PM - Re: Pietenpol storage bag (tools)
35. 05:56 PM - Re: Pietenpol storage bag (Don Emch)
36. 06:05 PM - Re: Covering question (Jack)
37. 06:07 PM - Re: Covering question (giacummo)
38. 06:16 PM - Re: Re: Covering question (Jack)
39. 06:22 PM - Re: welding.so easy a 12 year old could do it (Brett Phillips)
40. 07:39 PM - Re: welding.so easy a 12 year old could do it (nightmare)
41. 07:39 PM - Re: Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires (K5YAC)
42. 07:47 PM - Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In (K5YAC)
43. 08:21 PM - Re: Re: Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires (Craig Aho)
44. 09:07 PM - Re: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information (Ray Krause)
45. 09:17 PM - Re: rudder bar stops (taildrags)
46. 10:12 PM - Re: rudder bar stops (K5YAC)
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
Great Mike! I'm sure you'll like how it works in there. Polka dots and all!
I did add a 1/16" plywood bottom to mine. Just cut a piece and laid it in there.
Gives a nice solid bottom to it. I've hauled all kinds of stuff in there!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Rudder Bar Stops |
Oscar mentioned the importance of using mechanical stops on the rudder bar
to prevent the rudder from impacting the elevators upon full deflection.-
When I was fabricating/setting up my flight controls, I positioned the rud
der bar mount so that when the bar itself was fully deflected and touched t
he front seat vertical supports, the rudder would stop short of hitting the
elevators.- The vertical seat supports were "covered" with the aluminum
angle "stops".
Michael Perez
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| Subject: | Re: rudder bar stops |
Oscillating multi tools aren't actually new. They have been available for over
25 years, through a German company named Fein, who invented the tool. However,
a few years ago, Fein's patent on the design ran out, and now there are dozens
of variations available, from almost every manufacturer of electric hand
tools. They seem to be everywhere now. They are extremely useful for certain
applications, but, as Oscar said, maintaining good control of the tool is essential.
Because the tool's operation is based on oscillation, there naturally
is quite a bit of vibration inherent in the tool, which makes it easy for the
cutting edge to wander - especially when starting a cut. So, be careful if using
one of these tools for precision work. Practice on a bunch of scrap before
taking the tool to your plane. I haven't yet used one on my Piet, but I'm
sure there may be occasions when it would be "just the ticket" to do a certain
job. Of course, there are always multiple ways to tackle any problem, and most
likely the problems that could be handled by a multi tool could also be handled
by certain hand tools (if you have them, and know how to use them).
Bill C.
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While at Sun-n-Fun yesterday, stopped into the wood shop to say hello to
some good people. My wife took some pictures to share to the list. =46rom
top to bottom.
With Dick Navritil. We are showing the new Jiblett 616 airfoil with the
built-in bulltex generators. Dick says this airfoil should provide
triple the climb rate and a cruise speed of Mach .6 on an average
Pietenpol.
Next up we have Ben Charvet with the center section of the Jiblett 616.
This one is top secret..
Last and certainly not least is Skip Gadd. Skip and I seem to bump into
each a bit in recent years. Always good to see him.
The SNF wood shop is well manned and it is good to see the Piet
community giving back to sport aviation. My hat is off to them (except I
never really took it off)
and look forward to seeing them at Brodhead.
Seriously, they are doing a great job and mentioned the interest in wood
working seemed up this year compared to the recent past.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
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| Subject: | rudder bar stops |
Here's one man's method of installing rudder bar stops. Simple poplar wood
blocks glued in with T-88.
Mike C.
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on the faces of my hubs I cut a 1/4 or 3/8 thick plywood donut and glued th
at to the hub. That kept the fabric off the spoke heads and gave a smoth ap
pearance plus it served as a spacer for the brake drum. I know that I have
a couple more photos somewhere and I will try to post later today. Craig
From: raykrause@frontiernet.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels
Thanks for the description=2C Craig. I have always thought it was some dif
ficult system of making discs=2C mounting them=2C etc. I think the covered
(disc) wheels just look so authentic.
Thanks again.
Ray Krause
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On Apr 10=2C 2013=2C at 2:32 PM=2C Craig Aho <soar561@hotmail.com> wrote:
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If I am remembering correctly I first put the tire on and then cut a piece
of fabric out slightly larger in diam. than the rim and pushed the tire bea
d back brushed in some glue and tucked the fabric in working my way around
the rim. I also glued to the wood spacer I applied to my hub. Later I shrun
k the fabric and cut out the axel hole. that was all there was to it.
Craig
> From: raykrause@frontiernet.net
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels
> Date: Wed=2C 10 Apr 2013 13:04:35 -0700
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> > I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels but
leave them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted
them originally before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so
I can repaint the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will h
ave to paint the spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably
or maybe some contrasting color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new s
hip but at this point I like Black and light blue=2C but that is a ways off
at this point. Also am considering if I could use my original 4.5" brake d
rums with a Band instead of the internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not
deployed overseas with the Navy as he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I w
ould have him re-lace and true so I wouldn't have to do it again.
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| Subject: | Re: Spoked Wheels |
Great idea, I'am going to do it
Mario Giacummo
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2013/4/11 Craig Aho <soar561@hotmail.com>
> on the faces of my hubs I cut a 1/4 or 3/8 thick plywood donut and glued
> that to the hub. That kept the fabric off the spoke heads and gave a smoth
> appearance plus it served as a spacer for the brake drum. I know that I
> have a couple more photos somewhere and I will try to post later today.
>
> Craig
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> From: raykrause@frontiernet.net
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:59:58 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Thanks for the description, Craig. I have always thought it was some
> difficult system of making discs, mounting them, etc. I think the covered
> (disc) wheels just look so authentic.
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> Thanks again.
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> Ray Krause
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Apr 10, 2013, at 2:32 PM, Craig Aho <soar561@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> If I am remembering correctly I first put the tire on and then cut a piece
> of fabric out slightly larger in diam. than the rim and pushed the tire
> bead back brushed in some glue and tucked the fabric in working my way
> around the rim. I also glued to the wood spacer I applied to my hub. Later
> I shrunk the fabric and cut out the axel hole. that was all there was to it.
>
> Craig
>
> > From: raykrause@frontiernet.net
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels
> > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:04:35 -0700
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> > On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:02 AM, "CraigAho" <Soar561@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels
> but leave them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer
> painted them originally before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble
> them so I can repaint the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I
> will have to paint the spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint
> probably or maybe some contrasting color. Not sure what colors I will paint
> my new ship but at this point I like Black and light blue, but that is a
> ways off at this point. Also am considering if I could use my original 4.5"
> brake drums with a Band instead of the internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris
> were not deployed overseas with the Navy as he is an excellent Bike
> Mechanic and I would have him re-lace and true so I wouldn't have to do it
> again.
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| Subject: | Idea for Aho's new paint scheme |
Hey Craig,
Have you ever considered a black fuse and yellow wings!
LOOKS SHARP!!
Douwe
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Ken, I only get my Piet digest once a day so didn't see your post until today!
Too bad, would have loved to have helped
D
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| Subject: | Re: Spoked Wheels |
I went out in the garage and took a couple of photos, the wood disc is 5/16" thick
and one inside edge is beveled to lay flat and over the welds. Also the disc
lays inside the spoke heads. Worked great on my original wheels which I am
dismantling with some struggle since the nipples have been on tight for at least
19yrs. soaking them with penetrating fluid.
Craig
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| Subject: | Idea for Aho's new paint scheme |
That does sound good as well=2C My NX40772 was Black and Cream so kind of c
lose. It will be a while before I get to that point but in painting wheels
and fittings etc. I would like to have an idea so I can paint them accordin
gly. So far if I stick with painting them black I am pretty neutral. So man
y of the builders have done such nice work it really inspires one. Craig
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme
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> Date: Thu=2C 11 Apr 2013 09:00:46 -0600
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| Subject: | Re: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme |
I have black fuse & yellow wings.....oh yeah, just a GN-1.....sorry
I like it!
On Apr 11, 2013 10:05 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
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Dick
My Dad broke his hip Friday and I have been busy with the surgery and
hospital. I wish I could be there. Tell Skip, PF and the guys hello for me.
Barry Davis
NX973BP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 7:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF
Hey ya'all
Hi from SNF, hope you can make it down here, weather is beautiful. We are
building a Pietenpol fuselage and wing ribs in the wood shop this year it is
going really good. So far Skip Gadd, Ben Chevranet and I are working every
day. John Hoffman and his wife stopped by today, I will be looking for
Perry Rhodes we all hope more of you can make it down here.
Later
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Idea for Aho's new paint scheme |
Marcus=2C I'd love to see your GN-1 can it can I find it on forum or web? C
raig
Date: Thu=2C 11 Apr 2013 10:44:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme
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| Subject: | a front seat baggage idea |
Years back I asked a local upholstery shop to make up a front seat baggage
sack for
me out of kind of a soft black canvas type cloth. I made up a few posterbo
ard templates
for the bottom =BD barrel shape and two half-moon shapes and the shop sewed
me up a
handy, light-weight sack at a very reasonable cost.
I purchased a black snap kit from the upholstery shop and screwed the male
parts of the
snaps into the perimeter of the front cockpit (flight deck for the politica
lly sensitive) wood
and longerons and then installed the female snaps on the bag itself.
My front stick is removable so that comes out and the bag provides a very g
enerous amount
of space for baggage. Combine that with a (same upholstery shop) cockpit c
over that snaps
over the whole mess and you've got some serious space for your things. Ad
d in the entire
center section (in my case) that is available for baggage and you can have
a change of undies
for every day of the week for Brodhead and Oshkosh without hitting the laun
dry mat.
Mike C.
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Perimeter snaps screwed into upper left longeron.
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Cockpit covers in place. Rich Corinthian cheap cloth-backed vinyl with hem
s sew around edges by upholstery shop
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| Subject: | More Spoked Wheel Information |
A while back there was some discussion about different wheel configurations and
their associated weight. Craig's thread on Spoked Wheels reminded me that I
never did weight mine, and I was curious to know how they compared. I was considering
using Robert Baslee's 18" wheels, but I have heard rumors that they may
be hard to get, so I chose to take a route that several others have and start
with Ken Perkins' hubs and sent them off to Buchanan's. Just for comparison,
Baslee's web site claims that his wheels with tires weight 18 pounds.
Without going through all of the details, I'll just summarize by listing the components...
Hubs - Ken Perkins
Rims - Sun WM2 (21 x 1.85)
Spokes - Buchanan's 8ga stainless
Nipples - Buchanan's 8ga stainless
Tyre - Avon Speedmaster MkII (21 x 3.00)
Tube - J&P Cycles (21 x 3.00)
Bottom Line... without brake disc or spacer... 17 pounds on the nose.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: More Spoked Wheel Information |
Just for the data point, I'll post the weight of mine (as a new one is on the way
right now) in a couple days.
Mine are 21x2.15 40 spoke, one disc front harley wheels (post 2000 I think...).
They're available all day long, hubs, spokes, rim, tire and tube on ebay for
about $150 ea. The one I just ordered was $120 shipped. I think they're stock
items and guys upgrade to more spokes a lot.
Many think the 4 1/2 hub may not be strong enough, but it sure seems to be. Well
suited for disc brakes, look nice, certainly worth considering.
Pretty sure Dick N has the same wheels on his Rotec powered Piet, which is a higher
powered and heavier plane yet.
Pretty sure they're a lot heavier than 17lbs though...
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My Harley Sportsters are 25 lbs, including tires and brake drum.
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> A while back there was some discussion about different wheel configurations and
their associated weight. Craig's thread on Spoked Wheels reminded me that
I never did weight mine, and I was curious to know how they compared. I was considering
using Robert Baslee's 18" wheels, but I have heard rumors that they
may be hard to get, so I chose to take a route that several others have and start
with Ken Perkins' hubs and sent them off to Buchanan's. Just for comparison,
Baslee's web site claims that his wheels with tires weight 18 pounds.
>
> Without going through all of the details, I'll just summarize by listing the
components...
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> Hubs - Ken Perkins
> Rims - Sun WM2 (21 x 1.85)
> Spokes - Buchanan's 8ga stainless
> Nipples - Buchanan's 8ga stainless
> Tyre - Avon Speedmaster MkII (21 x 3.00)
> Tube - J&P Cycles (21 x 3.00)
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> Bottom Line... without brake disc or spacer... 17 pounds on the nose.
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| Subject: | Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires |
Nice looking setup you have there Mark C. !
Those aluminum rims can really save some weight. Very nice. I like the look
of the Avon Speedmaster tires
too (I copied Frank Pavliga and his Dad on that one years back because I liked
the way they looked on Sky Gypsy)
though they are prone to sidewall cracking after about 3-4 years.
I like the look too Mark of your taller wire wheels. Mine are 19" and I like
the looks of the 20 and 21" ones a little better.
Mike C.
And don't give Curt Merdan any trouble on your next Southwest flight or THIS
could happen to YOU! :)
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| Subject: | Re: More Spoked Wheel Information |
I came accross my original invoice from Buchanans and I had purchased 9 ga. plain
carbon spokes for my homemade hubs which were based on info provided by BPA
back in the early 90's, I think Howard Henderson design. I have never weighed
mine so before I dismantle both my wheels I will check the weight. I dismantled
one wheel and broke one spoke at the threads so I will either just replace
the spokes I need or maybe reorder new SS ones.
Craig
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Craig,
Thanks for all the info and your extra work to answer my questions. I am saving
this and will be doing basically the same thing.
Ray Krause
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> I went out in the garage and took a couple of photos, the wood disc is 5/16"
thick and one inside edge is beveled to lay flat and over the welds. Also the
disc lays inside the spoke heads. Worked great on my original wheels which I am
dismantling with some struggle since the nipples have been on tight for at least
19yrs. soaking them with penetrating fluid.
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| Subject: | Re: Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires |
I have to admit that I like these for a variety of reasons...
Of course I've looked closely at your airplane, and Jack's, and Larry Williams',
and Gary's, and FBG, and, well, you know... the same approach we have all taken.
I really like the overall stance of FBG, but I also like the wide look of the straight
axle gear. Honestly, the one that I liked the most when I first got to
see these beauties in person was Don Emch's... he offered to let me sit in it
my first year at Brodhead... no way... I wasn't going to be the guy who put
his foot through the floor. Now that I know a little more about how they are
built, I feel kind of dumb for not trying it on for size.
After hanging around The Markler for a while I really started to like the old-timey
look of his all black wheels, so I stole it! Noooo no... I didn't steal
it in the Markle sense of the word, I just thought of how I might have a similar
appearance without being a full on Markler. Anyhow, I like the black rims
and silver/gray spokes... I'm certain mine aren't the first like this, but it
is what I settled on.
Compromises... there are so many really cool ways to do things on this fabulous
airplane that I guess we just have to choose what we consider to be the best,
or whatever strikes our fancy at the time and go with it.
I remember back when I first started building I was convinced that I would not
use spokes and I had my heart set on some sort of solid wheel mini-tundras like
Roger White had. I still like that option, but the spoked wheels just look
right to me at the time.
I guess that is part of what makes this project an adventure.
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| Subject: | Re: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme |
Really Douwe? [Shocked]
Getting the season started off on the right foot I see. LOL!
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Mark Chouinard
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| Subject: | welding.so easy a 12 year old could do it |
Just wanted to post one of my proud fatherly moments. Yesterday gave my son his
first welding lesson. He is finally at that age where I can start passing on
some skills that my dad and grandfather taught me. Our own little Sun n Fun workshop.
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| Subject: | Re: Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires |
Mark do you have a photo of your wheels painted that way=2C I would enjoy s
eeing how they look. As I disassemble my old wheels I try to imagine how I
will paint them. If I had lots of money I would have bright shinny brass pl
ated spokes with black rims but I am on a very limited buget so paint is my
option. Craig
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires
> From: hangar10@cox.net
> Date: Thu=2C 11 Apr 2013 13:34:19 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I have to admit that I like these for a variety of reasons...
>
> Of course I've looked closely at your airplane=2C and Jack's=2C and Larry
Williams'=2C and Gary's=2C and FBG=2C and=2C well=2C you know... the same
approach we have all taken.
>
> I really like the overall stance of FBG=2C but I also like the wide look
of the straight axle gear. Honestly=2C the one that I liked the most when
I first got to see these beauties in person was Don Emch's... he offered to
let me sit in it my first year at Brodhead... no way... I wasn't going to
be the guy who put his foot through the floor. Now that I know a little mo
re about how they are built=2C I feel kind of dumb for not trying it on for
size.
>
> After hanging around The Markler for a while I really started to like the
old-timey look of his all black wheels=2C so I stole it! Noooo no... I di
dn't steal it in the Markle sense of the word=2C I just thought of how I mi
ght have a similar appearance without being a full on Markler. Anyhow=2C I
like the black rims and silver/gray spokes... I'm certain mine aren't the
first like this=2C but it is what I settled on.
>
> Compromises... there are so many really cool ways to do things on this fa
bulous airplane that I guess we just have to choose what we consider to be
the best=2C or whatever strikes our fancy at the time and go with it.
>
> I remember back when I first started building I was convinced that I woul
d not use spokes and I had my heart set on some sort of solid wheel mini-tu
ndras like Roger White had. I still like that option=2C but the spoked whe
els just look right to me at the time.
>
> I guess that is part of what makes this project an adventure.
>
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> Mark Chouinard
> Wings=2C Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Lan
ding Gear
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| Subject: | Re: More Spoked Wheel Information |
Wow was checking Buchanans web site and the costs of spokes has gone up alm
ost double what I originally paid. The weight of my wheel with out tire and
tube is 8.5 lbs. Craig
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
> From: Soar561@hotmail.com
> Date: Thu=2C 11 Apr 2013 12:33:18 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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>
> I came accross my original invoice from Buchanans and I had purchased 9 g
a. plain carbon spokes for my homemade hubs which were based on info provid
ed by BPA back in the early 90's=2C I think Howard Henderson design. I have
never weighed mine so before I dismantle both my wheels I will check the w
eight. I dismantled one wheel and broke one spoke at the threads so I will
either just replace the spokes I need or maybe reorder new SS ones.
>
> Craig
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| Subject: | welding.so easy a 12 year old could do it |
Enyoy!! My dad used to say, "This is the BEST age!"...He said that every
year that I can remember.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:03 PM
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Just wanted to post one of my proud fatherly moments. Yesterday gave my son
his first welding lesson. He is finally at that age where I can start
passing on some skills that my dad and grandfather taught me. Our own little
Sun n Fun workshop.
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Paul Donahue
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| Subject: | Re: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme |
Agree!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Thu, Apr 11, 2013 10:02 am
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Hey Craig,
Have you ever considered a black fuse and yellow wings!
LOOKS SHARP!!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Covering question |
I need to cut the slit for the trim tab rod and wondering if the fabric wil
l be stable enough as is. I've done the first shrink and added the pre-shru
nk patch under the top fabric. I used the clear 3m cement. I need to fashio
n some sort of an exit cover for the top. Should I put another patch on the
top and or the exit cover before cutting the slit?
Thanks!
Jack
DQoNCg0KU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IGlQYWQNCkphY2sgVGV4dG9y
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| Subject: | Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
I will ask him .... sounds like a funny story in there somewhere.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jack T. Textor
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering question
I need to cut the slit for the trim tab rod and wondering if the fabric will
be stable enough as is. I've done the first shrink and added the pre-shrunk
patch under the top fabric. I used the clear 3m cement. I need to fashion
some sort of an exit cover for the top. Should I put another patch on the
top and or the exit cover before cutting the slit?
Thanks!
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
I saw a catalog sitting around today when I got home and my wife said that the
kind of bag up in our closet. I'll have to live with the color.
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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Pretty.
Gary Boothe
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I saw a catalog sitting around today when I got home and my wife said that
the kind of bag up in our closet. I'll have to live with the color.
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Ya know,
We should get the craziest one we can and give it away as door prize at Brodhead.
Winner HAS to use it...
As it turns out, Robin has two... one about like Curt's (polka dot wise...) the
other is A LOT deeper. Would work really well in a cockpit without a pax to
just keep things organized and from migrating around.
Clever.
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Curt that is awesome! I think you should paint the airplane to match the bag!
I might have to look into that deeper bag. I like that crazy bag idea at Brodhead!
Don Emch
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Greg, did not see your response...
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Jack Textor
On Apr 11, 2013, at 7:01 PM, "G Hansen" <ghans@cable-lynx.net> wrote:
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> -----Original Message----- From: Jack T. Textor
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:00 PM
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering question
>
> I need to cut the slit for the trim tab rod and wondering if the fabric will
be stable enough as is. I've done the first shrink and added the pre-shrunk patch
under the top fabric. I used the clear 3m cement. I need to fashion some sort
of an exit cover for the top. Should I put another patch on the top and or
the exit cover before cutting the slit?
> Thanks!
> Jack
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Jack, as I saw in my covered parts, once you shrink the cloth it stay as is, it
do not move a mm, you can put reinforced patchs beore or after, it is the same.
If you see in my blogg, I had to remove a horne, I cut the cloth and do not move
nothing, it stood very firmely.
It was my experience, you decide.
regards
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Thanks Mario!
Sent from my iPad
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> Jack, as I saw in my covered parts, once you shrink the cloth it stay as is,
it do not move a mm, you can put reinforced patchs beore or after, it is the same.
> If you see in my blogg, I had to remove a horne, I cut the cloth and do not move
nothing, it stood very firmely.
> It was my experience, you decide.
>
> regards
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| Subject: | welding.so easy a 12 year old could do it |
Paul:
That's a great photo! It's great to see kids learning "adult" skills. I
was about that age when my dad started me out on Oxy-Acetylene. Today I'm
still not the greatest welder around, but I do hold an AWS Certified Welding
Inspector ticket.
Keep up the good work!
Brett Phillips
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Strasburg, VA
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Thanks guys. Two great boys. Im very lucky.
Brett, is there much demand for that ticket?
Always thought it would be nice to get it some day, but wasn't sure if it was
worth the effort?
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| Subject: | Re: Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires |
Sorry for the slow reply... had some chores to do this evening.
You can see a few pics of my wheels at these links.
Bare metal... 4130 hubs and aluminum rims.
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=k5yac&project=687&category=6286&log=148384&row=28
After powder coating. Craig, you might consider powder coating instead of paint
as it is way more durable and not very expensive. I paid $25 to a local outfit
and they did all the prep and finishing work. It helped that I just asked
for the standard matte black, which they run all the time, so the price was right
and turnaround was quick! A color would have been only slightly more in cost
and time.
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=k5yac&project=687&category=6286&log=148389&row=24
All laced up. A friend of mine (and bicycle builder) laced and trued these for
free. Ha! One person's pain is another's pleasure... or something like that.
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=k5yac&project=687&category=6286&log=158048&row=18
Hope that is what you were looking for.
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Mark Chouinard
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| Subject: | Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
Earl... that fire pic is hilarious. I've got to say, it was neat to look at, but
you are right... not the desired effect.
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| Subject: | Re: Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires |
Very Nice Mark=2C Thank you for sharing. I managed to get mine disassembled
today and and will clean and inspect the spokes and nipples. So far I have
one broken spoke to replace. I originally laced and trued them myself and
will do so again as my son who is a bike mechanic is deployed overseas on t
he USS Kearsage. I can see my wheels painted similar to yours. Thanks again
Craig
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires
> From: hangar10@cox.net
> Date: Thu=2C 11 Apr 2013 19:39:28 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Sorry for the slow reply... had some chores to do this evening.
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> You can see a few pics of my wheels at these links.
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> Bare metal... 4130 hubs and aluminum rims.
> http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=k5yac&project=687&
category=6286&log=148384&row=28
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> After powder coating. Craig=2C you might consider powder coating instead
of paint as it is way more durable and not very expensive. I paid $25 to
a local outfit and they did all the prep and finishing work. It helped tha
t I just asked for the standard matte black=2C which they run all the time
=2C so the price was right and turnaround was quick! A color would have bee
n only slightly more in cost and time.
> http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=k5yac&project=687&
category=6286&log=148389&row=24
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> All laced up. A friend of mine (and bicycle builder) laced and trued the
se for free. Ha! One person's pain is another's pleasure... or something
like that.
> http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=k5yac&project=687&
category=6286&log=158048&row=18
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> Hope that is what you were looking for.
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> Mark Chouinard
> Wings=2C Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Lan
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| Subject: | Re: More Spoked Wheel Information |
My 20" wheel, tire and tube weigh 19 pounds each. I thought that was heavy, but
found it is what most of them weigh.
Ray Krause
SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 11, 2013, at 11:58 AM, "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Just for the data point, I'll post the weight of mine (as a new one is on the
way right now) in a couple days.
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> Mine are 21x2.15 40 spoke, one disc front harley wheels (post 2000 I think...).
They're available all day long, hubs, spokes, rim, tire and tube on ebay for
about $150 ea. The one I just ordered was $120 shipped. I think they're stock
items and guys upgrade to more spokes a lot.
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> Many think the 4 1/2 hub may not be strong enough, but it sure seems to be.
Well suited for disc brakes, look nice, certainly worth considering.
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> Pretty sure Dick N has the same wheels on his Rotec powered Piet, which is a
higher powered and heavier plane yet.
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> Pretty sure they're a lot heavier than 17lbs though...
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| Subject: | Re: rudder bar stops |
Mikee-
You are my new hero! I'm going the wooden block route... it's just too simple
and clean. Right now I have stops mounted to the floor and one of them needs
to be replaced.
Now for the stern correction. Come to the front of the class, take the chalk in
your hand and write on the blackboard 100 times, "Uncle Tony says we must have
between one and three threads showing past the nut." In your picture, take
a look at the nut on one of the bolts that you use to adjust the aileron throw
of your stick. Now get busy writing, and you can't sit back down till you're
done.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: rudder bar stops |
Wood blocks seems about right... got piles of those laying around.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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