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1. 04:35 AM - Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 05:45 AM - Elevator (Bill Church)
3. 05:57 AM - Re: Virginia Pietenpols (Fun2av8)
4. 05:58 AM - Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? (Don Emch)
5. 06:25 AM - mods (Douwe Blumberg)
6. 06:29 AM - Re: Elevator (kevinpurtee)
7. 06:31 AM - Re: Newbie needed help and info. (kevinpurtee)
8. 07:21 AM - new builder Bill--welcome (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
9. 07:30 AM - Re: Elevator (Craig Aho)
10. 08:01 AM - Re: Elevator (Marcus Zechini)
11. 09:15 AM - Aircraft brakes for sale (Pilot78)
12. 09:40 AM - Re: Elevator (John Core)
13. 09:44 AM - Re: Elevator (Craig Aho)
14. 09:58 AM - Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? (gcardinal@comcast.net)
15. 10:27 AM - Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? (helspersew@aol.com)
16. 11:17 AM - Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? (Dick N)
17. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: Virginia Pietenpols (shad bell)
18. 01:15 PM - "RE-PIET's" first kinda decent videos (Douwe Blumberg)
19. 01:23 PM - Re: "RE-PIET's" first kinda decent videos (Rick)
20. 03:05 PM - Re: "RE-PIET's" first kinda decent videos (Chris Rusch)
21. 04:17 PM - Re: Newbie needed help and info. (Avill)
22. 05:33 PM - Re: Newbie needed help and info. (nightmare)
23. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: Newbie needed help and info. (Ken Bickers)
24. 06:50 PM - Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? (Baldeagle)
25. 07:25 PM - Re: Virginia Pietenpols (Fun2av8)
26. 07:37 PM - Re: Virginia Pietenpols (Fun2av8)
27. 07:48 PM - Re: Re: Virginia Pietenpols (Gary Boothe)
28. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Virginia Pietenpols (M. Zeke Zechini)
29. 08:15 PM - Re: Re: Virginia Pietenpols (M. Zeke Zechini)
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Subject: | Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? |
Greg,
Are we "allowed" to land on the ultralight strip?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 3:23 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
I've been kicking that idea around also. If I go I will be NORDO and I will
land at the ultralight strip.
Greg Cardinal
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:40:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their Piet to
Brodhead, thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on Sunday morning.
I'm hoping to fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am thinking very seriously ab
out heading further north for a couple of days. Might be fun if we had a s
mall group...
Don Emch
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This question posed by Dave didn't belong in a thread regarding flying to Brodhead,
so I created a new thread.
In response to your question, Dave...
What??
> n11dmx(at)yahoo.com
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> Sorry, but its a different subject..
> Just finished a mockup of my delevator system..
> All the pics of Petes show the elevators in the nose down position.
> They are heavy, on balance fwd of hinge line.
> has anyone put a spring in the system to offset the
> heavy wood elevator
> as is you must have to hold aft stick for level flight ?
> Dave inverness, Fl
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Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
Brett, I talked with Gene at his hangar the other day. He is definitely going
to Brodhead. Don't know his thoughts on Oshkosh. The idea of low and slow,
and legs no longer than 1 1/2 hours, and landing only at grass strips sounds perfect.
I am looking forward to this. For me, its the adventure of the journey.
I got Mr. Sam home yesterday. Chuck did a great job bring my Piet up from Sarasota.
I have lots of tailwheel time, but the rudder bar is new to me. So today
its wash the Piet and then its taxi practice on the ramp until I am real comfortable
with the bar.
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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Subject: | Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? |
In '09 when we went in as a group there was talk ahead of time that some guys might
just side step and land on the grass beside the runway at the last minute.
As I was on final a couple of the guys ahead of me did that, mainly because
of a really strong direct crosswind. I've done that at many airports too. Not
really a big deal, especially there since the grass between the runway and
taxiway is clear and nice. Heck they want you to pull off into the grass as soon
as you can in your landing roll anyway. Just a thought if you can't do the
ultralight strip.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Welcome aboard Bill!
Obviously, making mods on Pietenpol "excites the masses" as well it should
in many cases.
As mentioned, there are small "mods" and there are big ones.
The two main ones you mention though, raising the wing a couple inches and
lengthening the wing have both been done successfully.
There are numerous piets out there with wings raised one to two inches to
make ingress/egress easier.
Bill Rewey lengthened his wings and has happily flown hundreds of passengers
over the last decade or two, on days when others weren't comfortable doing
so.
That being said, lengthening the wings DOES introduce a cascade affect which
you need to watch out for. I think Bill lengthened his center section, And
each wing (but I could certainly be wrong) All of this changes some fitting
geometry, strut length, attach points, linkage lengths, etc, etc, etc.
Once done however, I've not heard of anyone crashing and burning, or wishing
they hadn't done it. But maybe it's just me.
In my humble opinion though. Built to the plans, and lightly, a Ford piet is
just fine as it is. Has been for almost ninty years. Raise the wing if you
like as it adds almost no weight. IF I was a big guy and I was building a
Ford Piet, I'd consider a bit longer wing, BUT I would go into it carefully.
Mathematically, I suppose it would HAVE to slow you down a bit, but with it
would be negligible, like from 70 down to 67 but it would lift a little
better. If you're not a huge guy, just leave her as designed and enjoy.
My main suggestion though is this. Keep it as close to the plans as you can
and just build it. Sure, make it your own creation in the little things,
but keep her basically stock. Don't overthink everything or try to reinvent
the plane. It is a fun, safe, solid little plane. You can knock yourself
out changing things and end up with something that performs identically to
the original, or usually worse. Just build and don't get sidetracked so you
can enjoy flying.
$.02
Douwe
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Dave - I used the East Texas Trim System (ETTS) originally, which was a bungee
wrapped around the stick in the front seat to hold the elevators level. I did
not have any other elevator trim & did not need it.
Several people have added an adjustable elevator trim system. Probably very helpful
if you have a nose tank.
On the rebuild I will likely refine the ETTS to hide it in the back to hold up
the elevator beam behind the seat.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | Re: Newbie needed help and info. |
All that Oscar said, plus: use the search feature on this sight. All your questions
have been beaten to death already.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | new builder Bill--welcome |
Hi Bill,
Welcome to the list. Good questions. Many have been answered but to add
my thoughts, the Pietenpol has been
built with a zillion variations in all areas but your friend is right---the
Ford engine might not be enough power for your
kind of expectations. If you live in a hot area of the country and you wa
nt to carry passengers all summer long you're
better off with a Continental A-65 or more for power. If you're an expert
Ford engine rebuilder like Ken Perkins and
Dan Helsper who get great power out of their Fords then you can fly with a
Ford and carry passengers even on some warmer days.
Adding a foot or three to your wing will certainly help you lift more weigh
t and it has been done (as Douwe mentioned) by
several builders with good results. If you compare a Cub and Champ to the
Pietenpol, those other planes have about 6 more
feet of wing than the Piet so a little more wing won't hurt a Piet.
I've flown both Ford and Continental Piets and to me, flying a Ford Piet fe
els like you're doing slow flight in a Continental Piet.
The controls are less crisp, things happen more slowly in a Ford Piet and y
ou get a nice dose of exhaust if you lean out the
left side because the exhaust pipes on a Ford are right in line with your n
ose. I love the nostalgia of a Ford and seeing others
fly them but for me I prefer more power. The Corvair is another alternati
ve for more power but from what I have read, you're
going to put almost as much money into a good Corvair rebuild as you might
a Continental rebuild and the Corvair seems to have
it's share of mechanical issues as compared to the Continental with regard
to long-term reliability but everyone's experiences vary.
Keep it simple, make cosmetic changes if you like but the basic design as-s
hown on the plans will give you a good flying airplane
no matter what engine you choose if you keep it light. If you expect to h
ave a full electrical system, starter, battery, alternator,
and all the goodies then you'll want more power for sure like an 85, 90, 0-
200 or Corvair.
Here's a great Piet photo site that Chris Tracy has put together for all of
us to enjoy. You'll be able to connect our names with
the planes we are building or have finished and are flying here.
Mike C. in Ohio
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/
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I had a spring on my First Air Camper from the Bell Crank to somewhere on t
he structure behind the seat=2C cant remember and would have to look for a
photo to know. I had read many years ago that Bernie did the same on his la
st ship just to keep the Elevators up inline with the Stab. It was a just f
or looks thing. Craig
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator
> From: billspiet@sympatico.ca
> Date: Wed=2C 17 Apr 2013 05:45:08 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> This question posed by Dave didn't belong in a thread regarding flying to
Brodhead=2C so I created a new thread.
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> In response to your question=2C Dave...
> What??
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> > n11dmx(at)yahoo.com
> > Guest
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> > Posted: Tue Apr 16=2C 2013 5:10 pm Post subject: Piets from Brodhea
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> > Sorry=2C but its a different subject..
> > Just finished a mockup of my delevator system..
> > All the pics of Petes show the elevators in the nose down position.
> > They are heavy=2C on balance fwd of hinge line.
> > has anyone put a spring in the system to offset the
> > heavy wood elevator
> > as is you must have to hold aft stick for level flight ?
> > Dave inverness=2C Fl
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I have elevator trim....will post pics if anyone desires.
Have locking push/pull cable under throttle lever
On Apr 17, 2013 10:32 AM, "Craig Aho" <soar561@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I had a spring on my First Air Camper from the Bell Crank to somewhere on
> the structure behind the seat, cant remember and would have to look for a
> photo to know. I had read many years ago that Bernie did the same on his
> last ship just to keep the Elevators up inline with the Stab. It was a just
> for looks thing.
>
> Craig
>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator
> > From: billspiet@sympatico.ca
> > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 05:45:08 -0700
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
> >
> > This question posed by Dave didn't belong in a thread regarding flying
> to Brodhead, so I created a new thread.
> >
> > In response to your question, Dave...
> > What??
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > n11dmx(at)yahoo.com
> > > Guest
> > >
> > > Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:10 pm Post subject: Piets from Brodhead to
> Oshkosh?
> > >
> > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > Sorry, but its a different subject..
> > > Just finished a mockup of my delevator system..
> > > All the pics of Petes show the elevators in the nose down position.
> > > They are heavy, on balance fwd of hinge line.
> > > has anyone put a spring in the system to offset the
> > > heavy wood elevator
> > > as is you must have to hold aft stick for level flight ?
> > > Dave inverness, Fl
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Subject: | Aircraft brakes for sale |
I saw this ad in our local classified ads.... I have no affiliation with the ad
or the person selling. Just passing it along.
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=23912535&cat=151&lpid=3&search=&ad_cid=11
Brian
SLC-UT
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I would like some photos of this trim
thanks.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Marcus Zechini
<marcus.zechini@gmail.com>wrote:
> I have elevator trim....will post pics if anyone desires.
> Have locking push/pull cable under throttle lever
> On Apr 17, 2013 10:32 AM, "Craig Aho" <soar561@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I had a spring on my First Air Camper from the Bell Crank to somewhere on
>> the structure behind the seat, cant remember and would have to look for a
>> photo to know. I had read many years ago that Bernie did the same on his
>> last ship just to keep the Elevators up inline with the Stab. It was a just
>> for looks thing.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator
>> > From: billspiet@sympatico.ca
>> > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 05:45:08 -0700
>> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> >
>> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>> >
>> > This question posed by Dave didn't belong in a thread regarding flying
>> to Brodhead, so I created a new thread.
>> >
>> > In response to your question, Dave...
>> > What??
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > n11dmx(at)yahoo.com
>> > > Guest
>> > >
>> > > Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:10 pm Post subject: Piets from Brodhead to
>> Oshkosh?
>> > >
>> > >
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > >
>> > > Sorry, but its a different subject..
>> > > Just finished a mockup of my delevator system..
>> > > All the pics of Petes show the elevators in the nose down position.
>> > > They are heavy, on balance fwd of hinge line.
>> > > has anyone put a spring in the system to offset the
>> > > heavy wood elevator
>> > > as is you must have to hold aft stick for level flight ?
>> > > Dave inverness, Fl
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I would like to see your trim system. I always enjoy seeing the enginuity o
f others. Craig
Date: Wed=2C 17 Apr 2013 11:00:51 -0400
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elevator
From: marcus.zechini@gmail.com
I have elevator trim....will post pics if anyone desires.
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st ship just to keep the Elevators up inline with the Stab. It was a just f
or looks thing.
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator
> From: billspiet@sympatico.ca
> Date: Wed=2C 17 Apr 2013 05:45:08 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? |
If you have tailskid you most certainly are.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:35:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Greg,
=C2-
Are we "allowed" to land on the ultralight strip?
=C2-
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 3:23 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
I've been kicking that idea around also. If I go I will be NORDO and I will
=C2-land at the ultralight strip.
=C2-
Greg Cardinal
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From: "Don Emch" < EmchAir@aol.com >
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:40:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their Piet to
Brodhead, thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on Sunday morning.
=C2-I'm hoping to fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am thinking very serious
ly about heading further north for a couple of days. =C2-Might be fun if
we had a small group...
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? |
AWESOME, I finally get to use my removable tailwheel idea. I would love to
join you. That makes it easy, and I don't have to worry about doing my firs
t ever hard-surface landing.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Sent: Wed, Apr 17, 2013 12:00 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
If you have tailskid you most certainly are.
Greg Cardinal
From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:35:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Greg,
Are we "allowed" to land on the ultralight strip?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 3:23 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
I've been kicking that idea around also. If I go I will be NORDO and I will
land at the ultralight strip.
Greg Cardinal
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:40:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their Piet to
Brodhead, thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on Sunday morning.
I'm hoping to fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am thinking very seriously ab
out heading further north for a couple of days. Might be fun if we had a s
mall group...
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? |
I dont want to get you overly excited, but I got an e mail from OSH
about the radial engine get together. Anyway they were talking about
possibly working on a new runway for taildraggers. I have been meaning
to contact them but havent gotten to it yet. I just got home from SNF
and am quite tired, great show though.
Dick N.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Greg,
Are we "allowed" to land on the ultralight strip?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 3:23 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
I've been kicking that idea around also. If I go I will be NORDO and I
will land at the ultralight strip.
Greg Cardinal
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Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:40:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their
Piet to Brodhead, thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on
Sunday morning. I'm hoping to fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am
thinking very seriously about heading further north for a couple of
days. Might be fun if we had a small group...
Don Emch
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Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
I may be going this year, depending on what comes up.=C2- I have been try
ing to get my Baby Lakes finished so I can hopefully fly it this summer.=C2
- If I have any money left for Brodhead Fuel I will go. I will probably h
ead up on Thursday if I go.
=C2-
Shad
--- On Tue, 4/16/13, Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote:
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
I=99ll be heading back to Virginia on Sunday after Brodhead.=C2- Wi
ll probably take two days to make the trip each way.
=C2-
I=99ll want to head to Brodhead on Tuesday, planning to arrive Wednes
day.=C2- I try this every year and haven=99t gotten there before Fr
iday yet.
=C2-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
=C2-
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Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
=C2-
1.) =C2-I'm working on it dammit! ;-) =C2-Honest I am... =C2-I'm aimi
ng to fly, but I'll be there even if I have to drive.
=C2-
2.) Probably some folks will. =C2-My belly is still full of plastic fanta
stics and a sea of RV 's (winnebago's and -3's, -4's, -6's etc) from 2011.
=C2-I won't likely be going back for a while.
=C2-
3.) You will not want to leave Brodhead on Saturday. =C2-Sunday is the da
y to leave if you have to, but it makes Pieting home to VA before Monday a
rough proposition.
=C2-
If Gene and I are able to go together it will certainly be a long trip sinc
e neither of us will be very fast or long legged. =C2-Add to that the fac
t that neither of us has a tailwheel, so finding a place to land that has g
as every 1-1/2 hours will be a challenge and will make for quite an adventu
re. =C2-Purists carry a heavy cross in the east...
=C2-
Brett
=C2-
=C2-
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Fun2av8 <iflyga@fun2av8.com> wrote:
I swear I posted this.... but can't find it.
(1) Who is going to Brodhead this year?
(2) Of those of you going to Brodhead - are any of you going to Oshkosh on
Sunday July 28th?
(3) If you are not going to Oshkosh - are you planning on heading back to V
irginia on Saturday (27th) or Sunday (28th)?
Me, I think I will have had enough camping for one trip - I will most likel
y be headed back to VA at the end of Brodhead. =C2- I could be convinced
to go to Oshkosh for a day or two - but that would be the max.
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N687MB (New Owner)
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Subject: | "RE-PIET's" first kinda decent videos |
For those interested,
Finally got two short videos that kinda show "RE-PIET" in action.
Douwe
<http://youtu.be/mpkt0VlY1Ig> http://youtu.be/mpkt0VlY1Ig
<http://youtu.be/RPoFpSn2A2I> http://youtu.be/RPoFpSn2A2I
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Subject: | Re: "RE-PIET's" first kinda decent videos |
Very nice Douwe!
Rick Schreiber
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On Apr 17, 2013, at 3:23 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> w
rote:
> For those interested,
>
> Finally got two short videos that kinda show =9CRE-PIET=9D in a
ction.
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> Douwe
>
> http://youtu.be/mpkt0VlY1Ig
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> http://youtu.be/RPoFpSn2A2I
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Subject: | Re: "RE-PIET's" first kinda decent videos |
Great stuff Douwe , can't wait to see it in person!
--------
NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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Subject: | Re: Newbie needed help and info. |
I have been wondering this exact same thing. Thanks for bring it up Bill. My reasons
are different though. I would be operating a Piet off of airports at altitudes
of 5-6,000 ft before factoring in DA. Hence why I would be interested in
any experiences operating at these altitudes, or folks that have extended their
wing, and how they did it.
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Subject: | Re: Newbie needed help and info. |
Here is my humble opinion. I feel more comfortable taking off in an airplane that
has a "good" climb rate. Its all relative, but we do have the ability to make
some tweaks while building, that will enhance the climb rate.
I've had two engine failures just after take off. Both airplanes had a very
nice climb rate, and because of that, I was able to turn back to airport and barely
land safely. landing straight ahead would have been ugly. (Very congested).
Everyone has their own comfort level. Some probably dont think twice when
they clear the trees at the end of the runway by fifty feet. Not me, atleast not
since my engine failures. High altitude?, short runways?, no open fields on
departure end?, heavy pilot/passenger? If your situation is like any of the above,
i personally would add a couple of feet of wing. You may never need that
extra altitude, but if you did, it sure would be nice being higher off the ground
in an airplane that will glide slightly better and land a bit slower. Please
dont beat me up too much guys, just my opinion.
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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Subject: | Re: Newbie needed help and info. |
Avill,
I've given this question a lot of thought over the past several years. I,
too, operate out of a fairly high airport, KLMO, which has a field
elevation of just over 5k, but with density altitudes that are typically
between 7k and 9k during the summer.
On my Pietenpol project, which is not yet flying, I've done at least three
things to compensate for altitude. One, I lengthened the wings by 9 inches
on each side. I know that isn't much, but the spar blanks I bought from
Aircraft Spruce were 14' long. I decided not to cut off the 9 inches, and
instead to take advantage of the extra length. That works out to a 5%
longer wingspan. The attach points for the diagonal spars moved out
approximately 6 inches from what is called out in the plans. I did lots of
calculations using the formulas on the WestCoastPiet.com website before
deciding whether (and where) to shift the strut attach points, as the
section of the wing outside the struts is where the greatest lift stresses
are located.
Two, I decided not to do a cutout over the rear cockpit. Everything I read
suggests this reduces lift by a significant amount. Were I nearer to sea
level, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to build with the cutout. I love
the look. But I want to retain every last measure of lift. Instead, I
built a flop section. That gives me ease of access to the rear pit and
preserves lift.
Three, I decided to use a Corvair engine. I'm going fairly stock, ala
William Wynne's conversion manual, with a set up to produce approximately
100 hp at sea level, or about 70-75 hp on a typical summer day here in
Colorado.
Not specific to altitude but just in general, I've tried to be judicious
about things that add weight. I have made a couple of concessions. I've
used the Jenny-style landing gear. It is a bit heavier than the J3-style
gear. I just like the way it looks. Also, I've installed a second fuel
tank. Again, I wouldn't have done that if I still lived in the midwest
where there is an airport every few miles. Where I fly, airports can get
awfully far apart. When they do, I'd swear the winds are directly off the
nose.
Tell us all where you are. If you are in the Colorado area, feel free to
drop me a PM. There are a few other Pietenpols in the area -- a couple
that are finished and a couple, including mine, that are advancing toward
completion.
My best, Ken
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Avill <avillery@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I have been wondering this exact same thing. Thanks for bring it up Bill.
> My reasons are different though. I would be operating a Piet off of
> airports at altitudes of 5-6,000 ft before factoring in DA. Hence why I
> would be interested in any experiences operating at these altitudes, or
> folks that have extended their wing, and how they did it.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? |
For the Airmail celebrations at Oshkosh a couple of years ago they laid out a grass
strip off the approach end of 36, and I think that's what they're talking
about again for this year. But you could only land from the south, you couldn't
fly all the way down 18 and then land on the grass.
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Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
Hi Shad!
Are you in Virginia?
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
Here's what I think I have figured out - Please chime in if I got it wrong.
Going to Brodhead
- Gene Rambo
- Jack Phillips
- Matt Paxton
- Jim McWhorter
On The Fence
- Marcus Zechini
- Brett Phillips
- Shad
Haven't heard yet
- Dave Boyd
- Gary Booth
Returning to VA on Sunday
- Jack Phillips
Going on to Oshkosh on Sunday
-
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Culpeper, VA KCJR
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Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
You will not see me at B'head this year...sorry to miss all y'all!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 17, 2013, at 7:36 PM, "Fun2av8" <iflyga@fun2av8.com> wrote:
>
> Here's what I think I have figured out - Please chime in if I got it wrong.
>
> Going to Brodhead
> - Gene Rambo
> - Jack Phillips
> - Matt Paxton
> - Jim McWhorter
>
> On The Fence
> - Marcus Zechini
> - Brett Phillips
> - Shad
>
> Haven't heard yet
> - Dave Boyd
> - Gary Booth
>
> Returning to VA on Sunday
> - Jack Phillips
>
> Going on to Oshkosh on Sunday
> -
>
> --------
> Jim McWhorter
> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper, VA KCJR
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398846#398846
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
I think I am on the Brodhead side of the fence...
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 17, 2013, at 10:48 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> You will not see me at B'head this year...sorry to miss all y'all!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 17, 2013, at 7:36 PM, "Fun2av8" <iflyga@fun2av8.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Here's what I think I have figured out - Please chime in if I got it wrong.
>>
>> Going to Brodhead
>> - Gene Rambo
>> - Jack Phillips
>> - Matt Paxton
>> - Jim McWhorter
>>
>> On The Fence
>> - Marcus Zechini
>> - Brett Phillips
>> - Shad
>>
>> Haven't heard yet
>> - Dave Boyd
>> - Gary Booth
>>
>> Returning to VA on Sunday
>> - Jack Phillips
>>
>> Going on to Oshkosh on Sunday
>> -
>>
>> --------
>> Jim McWhorter
>> N687MB (New Owner)
>> Culpeper, VA KCJR
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398846#398846
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Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
Shad...from where do you hail?
Jack, take a look at 3VA7 on a chart. Rally point?
Quite sure I am going.
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 17, 2013, at 3:54 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I may be going this year, depending on what comes up. I have been trying t
o get my Baby Lakes finished so I can hopefully fly it this summer. If I ha
ve any money left for Brodhead Fuel I will go. I will probably head up on Th
ursday if I go.
>
> Shad
>
> --- On Tue, 4/16/13, Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote:
>
> From: Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 10:03 PM
>
> I=99ll be heading back to Virginia on Sunday after Brodhead. Will p
robably take two days to make the trip each way.
>
>
>
> I=99ll want to head to Brodhead on Tuesday, planning to arrive Wedne
sday. I try this every year and haven=99t gotten there before Friday y
et.
>
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BRETT PHILLIPS
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:31 PM
> To: pietenpol-list
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
>
>
>
> 1.) I'm working on it dammit! ;-) Honest I am... I'm aiming to fly, but
I'll be there even if I have to drive.
>
>
>
> 2.) Probably some folks will. My belly is still full of plastic fantastic
s and a sea of RV 's (winnebago's and -3's, -4's, -6's etc) from 2011. I wo
n't likely be going back for a while.
>
>
>
> 3.) You will not want to leave Brodhead on Saturday. Sunday is the day to
leave if you have to, but it makes Pieting home to VA before Monday a rough
proposition.
>
>
>
> If Gene and I are able to go together it will certainly be a long trip sin
ce neither of us will be very fast or long legged. Add to that the fact tha
t neither of us has a tailwheel, so finding a place to land that has gas eve
ry 1-1/2 hours will be a challenge and will make for quite an adventure. Pu
rists carry a heavy cross in the east...
>
>
>
> Brett
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Fun2av8 <iflyga@fun2av8.com> wrote:
>
>
> I swear I posted this.... but can't find it.
>
> (1) Who is going to Brodhead this year?
>
> (2) Of those of you going to Brodhead - are any of you going to Oshkosh on
Sunday July 28th?
>
> (3) If you are not going to Oshkosh - are you planning on heading back to V
irginia on Saturday (27th) or Sunday (28th)?
>
> Me, I think I will have had enough camping for one trip - I will most like
ly be headed back to VA at the end of Brodhead. I could be convinced to go
to Oshkosh for a day or two - but that would be the max.
>
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> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper , VA KCJR
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