---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/17/13: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:35 AM - Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 05:45 AM - Elevator (Bill Church) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: Virginia Pietenpols (Fun2av8) 4. 05:58 AM - Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? (Don Emch) 5. 06:25 AM - mods (Douwe Blumberg) 6. 06:29 AM - Re: Elevator (kevinpurtee) 7. 06:31 AM - Re: Newbie needed help and info. (kevinpurtee) 8. 07:21 AM - new builder Bill--welcome (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 9. 07:30 AM - Re: Elevator (Craig Aho) 10. 08:01 AM - Re: Elevator (Marcus Zechini) 11. 09:15 AM - Aircraft brakes for sale (Pilot78) 12. 09:40 AM - Re: Elevator (John Core) 13. 09:44 AM - Re: Elevator (Craig Aho) 14. 09:58 AM - Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? (gcardinal@comcast.net) 15. 10:27 AM - Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? (helspersew@aol.com) 16. 11:17 AM - Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? (Dick N) 17. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: Virginia Pietenpols (shad bell) 18. 01:15 PM - "RE-PIET's" first kinda decent videos (Douwe Blumberg) 19. 01:23 PM - Re: "RE-PIET's" first kinda decent videos (Rick) 20. 03:05 PM - Re: "RE-PIET's" first kinda decent videos (Chris Rusch) 21. 04:17 PM - Re: Newbie needed help and info. (Avill) 22. 05:33 PM - Re: Newbie needed help and info. (nightmare) 23. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: Newbie needed help and info. (Ken Bickers) 24. 06:50 PM - Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? (Baldeagle) 25. 07:25 PM - Re: Virginia Pietenpols (Fun2av8) 26. 07:37 PM - Re: Virginia Pietenpols (Fun2av8) 27. 07:48 PM - Re: Re: Virginia Pietenpols (Gary Boothe) 28. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Virginia Pietenpols (M. Zeke Zechini) 29. 08:15 PM - Re: Re: Virginia Pietenpols (M. Zeke Zechini) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? From: helspersew@aol.com Greg, Are we "allowed" to land on the ultralight strip? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: gcardinal Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 3:23 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? I've been kicking that idea around also. If I go I will be NORDO and I will land at the ultralight strip. Greg Cardinal From: "Don Emch" Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:40:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their Piet to Brodhead, thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on Sunday morning. I'm hoping to fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am thinking very seriously ab out heading further north for a couple of days. Might be fun if we had a s mall group... Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php? - MATRONICS WEB FO RUMS -<==== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator From: "Bill Church" This question posed by Dave didn't belong in a thread regarding flying to Brodhead, so I created a new thread. In response to your question, Dave... What?? > n11dmx(at)yahoo.com > Guest > > Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:10 pm Post subject: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Sorry, but its a different subject.. > Just finished a mockup of my delevator system.. > All the pics of Petes show the elevators in the nose down position. > They are heavy, on balance fwd of hinge line. > has anyone put a spring in the system to offset the > heavy wood elevator > as is you must have to hold aft stick for level flight ? > Dave inverness, Fl > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398795#398795 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols From: "Fun2av8" Brett, I talked with Gene at his hangar the other day. He is definitely going to Brodhead. Don't know his thoughts on Oshkosh. The idea of low and slow, and legs no longer than 1 1/2 hours, and landing only at grass strips sounds perfect. I am looking forward to this. For me, its the adventure of the journey. I got Mr. Sam home yesterday. Chuck did a great job bring my Piet up from Sarasota. I have lots of tailwheel time, but the rudder bar is new to me. So today its wash the Piet and then its taxi practice on the ramp until I am real comfortable with the bar. -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398796#398796 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? From: "Don Emch" In '09 when we went in as a group there was talk ahead of time that some guys might just side step and land on the grass beside the runway at the last minute. As I was on final a couple of the guys ahead of me did that, mainly because of a really strong direct crosswind. I've done that at many airports too. Not really a big deal, especially there since the grass between the runway and taxiway is clear and nice. Heck they want you to pull off into the grass as soon as you can in your landing roll anyway. Just a thought if you can't do the ultralight strip. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398797#398797 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:34 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: mods Welcome aboard Bill! Obviously, making mods on Pietenpol "excites the masses" as well it should in many cases. As mentioned, there are small "mods" and there are big ones. The two main ones you mention though, raising the wing a couple inches and lengthening the wing have both been done successfully. There are numerous piets out there with wings raised one to two inches to make ingress/egress easier. Bill Rewey lengthened his wings and has happily flown hundreds of passengers over the last decade or two, on days when others weren't comfortable doing so. That being said, lengthening the wings DOES introduce a cascade affect which you need to watch out for. I think Bill lengthened his center section, And each wing (but I could certainly be wrong) All of this changes some fitting geometry, strut length, attach points, linkage lengths, etc, etc, etc. Once done however, I've not heard of anyone crashing and burning, or wishing they hadn't done it. But maybe it's just me. In my humble opinion though. Built to the plans, and lightly, a Ford piet is just fine as it is. Has been for almost ninty years. Raise the wing if you like as it adds almost no weight. IF I was a big guy and I was building a Ford Piet, I'd consider a bit longer wing, BUT I would go into it carefully. Mathematically, I suppose it would HAVE to slow you down a bit, but with it would be negligible, like from 70 down to 67 but it would lift a little better. If you're not a huge guy, just leave her as designed and enjoy. My main suggestion though is this. Keep it as close to the plans as you can and just build it. Sure, make it your own creation in the little things, but keep her basically stock. Don't overthink everything or try to reinvent the plane. It is a fun, safe, solid little plane. You can knock yourself out changing things and end up with something that performs identically to the original, or usually worse. Just build and don't get sidetracked so you can enjoy flying. $.02 Douwe ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator From: "kevinpurtee" Dave - I used the East Texas Trim System (ETTS) originally, which was a bungee wrapped around the stick in the front seat to hold the elevators level. I did not have any other elevator trim & did not need it. Several people have added an adjustable elevator trim system. Probably very helpful if you have a nose tank. On the rebuild I will likely refine the ETTS to hide it in the back to hold up the elevator beam behind the seat. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398798#398798 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie needed help and info. From: "kevinpurtee" All that Oscar said, plus: use the search feature on this sight. All your questions have been beaten to death already. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398800#398800 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:36 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: new builder Bill--welcome Hi Bill, Welcome to the list. Good questions. Many have been answered but to add my thoughts, the Pietenpol has been built with a zillion variations in all areas but your friend is right---the Ford engine might not be enough power for your kind of expectations. If you live in a hot area of the country and you wa nt to carry passengers all summer long you're better off with a Continental A-65 or more for power. If you're an expert Ford engine rebuilder like Ken Perkins and Dan Helsper who get great power out of their Fords then you can fly with a Ford and carry passengers even on some warmer days. Adding a foot or three to your wing will certainly help you lift more weigh t and it has been done (as Douwe mentioned) by several builders with good results. If you compare a Cub and Champ to the Pietenpol, those other planes have about 6 more feet of wing than the Piet so a little more wing won't hurt a Piet. I've flown both Ford and Continental Piets and to me, flying a Ford Piet fe els like you're doing slow flight in a Continental Piet. The controls are less crisp, things happen more slowly in a Ford Piet and y ou get a nice dose of exhaust if you lean out the left side because the exhaust pipes on a Ford are right in line with your n ose. I love the nostalgia of a Ford and seeing others fly them but for me I prefer more power. The Corvair is another alternati ve for more power but from what I have read, you're going to put almost as much money into a good Corvair rebuild as you might a Continental rebuild and the Corvair seems to have it's share of mechanical issues as compared to the Continental with regard to long-term reliability but everyone's experiences vary. Keep it simple, make cosmetic changes if you like but the basic design as-s hown on the plans will give you a good flying airplane no matter what engine you choose if you keep it light. If you expect to h ave a full electrical system, starter, battery, alternator, and all the goodies then you'll want more power for sure like an 85, 90, 0- 200 or Corvair. Here's a great Piet photo site that Chris Tracy has put together for all of us to enjoy. You'll be able to connect our names with the planes we are building or have finished and are flying here. Mike C. in Ohio http://www.westcoastpiet.com/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:22 AM PST US From: Craig Aho Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elevator I had a spring on my First Air Camper from the Bell Crank to somewhere on t he structure behind the seat=2C cant remember and would have to look for a photo to know. I had read many years ago that Bernie did the same on his la st ship just to keep the Elevators up inline with the Stab. It was a just f or looks thing. Craig > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator > From: billspiet@sympatico.ca > Date: Wed=2C 17 Apr 2013 05:45:08 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > ca> > > This question posed by Dave didn't belong in a thread regarding flying to Brodhead=2C so I created a new thread. > > In response to your question=2C Dave... > What?? > > > > > > n11dmx(at)yahoo.com > > Guest > > > > Posted: Tue Apr 16=2C 2013 5:10 pm Post subject: Piets from Brodhea d to Oshkosh? > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- > > > > Sorry=2C but its a different subject.. > > Just finished a mockup of my delevator system.. > > All the pics of Petes show the elevators in the nose down position. > > They are heavy=2C on balance fwd of hinge line. > > has anyone put a spring in the system to offset the > > heavy wood elevator > > as is you must have to hold aft stick for level flight ? > > Dave inverness=2C Fl > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398795#398795 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:19 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elevator From: Marcus Zechini I have elevator trim....will post pics if anyone desires. Have locking push/pull cable under throttle lever On Apr 17, 2013 10:32 AM, "Craig Aho" wrote: > I had a spring on my First Air Camper from the Bell Crank to somewhere on > the structure behind the seat, cant remember and would have to look for a > photo to know. I had read many years ago that Bernie did the same on his > last ship just to keep the Elevators up inline with the Stab. It was a just > for looks thing. > > Craig > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator > > From: billspiet@sympatico.ca > > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 05:45:08 -0700 > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > > > This question posed by Dave didn't belong in a thread regarding flying > to Brodhead, so I created a new thread. > > > > In response to your question, Dave... > > What?? > > > > > > > > > > > n11dmx(at)yahoo.com > > > Guest > > > > > > Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:10 pm Post subject: Piets from Brodhead to > Oshkosh? > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Sorry, but its a different subject.. > > > Just finished a mockup of my delevator system.. > > > All the pics of Petes show the elevators in the nose down position. > > > They are heavy, on balance fwd of hinge line. > > > has anyone put a spring in the system to offset the > > > heavy wood elevator > > > as is you must have to hold aft stick for level flight ? > > > Dave inverness, Fl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398795#398795 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **> > > > > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft brakes for sale From: "Pilot78" I saw this ad in our local classified ads.... I have no affiliation with the ad or the person selling. Just passing it along. http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=23912535&cat=151&lpid=3&search=&ad_cid=11 Brian SLC-UT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398809#398809 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator From: John Core I would like some photos of this trim thanks. On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote: > I have elevator trim....will post pics if anyone desires. > Have locking push/pull cable under throttle lever > On Apr 17, 2013 10:32 AM, "Craig Aho" wrote: > >> I had a spring on my First Air Camper from the Bell Crank to somewhere on >> the structure behind the seat, cant remember and would have to look for a >> photo to know. I had read many years ago that Bernie did the same on his >> last ship just to keep the Elevators up inline with the Stab. It was a just >> for looks thing. >> >> Craig >> >> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator >> > From: billspiet@sympatico.ca >> > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 05:45:08 -0700 >> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> > >> billspiet@sympatico.ca> >> > >> > This question posed by Dave didn't belong in a thread regarding flying >> to Brodhead, so I created a new thread. >> > >> > In response to your question, Dave... >> > What?? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > n11dmx(at)yahoo.com >> > > Guest >> > > >> > > Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:10 pm Post subject: Piets from Brodhead to >> Oshkosh? >> > > >> > > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >> > > Sorry, but its a different subject.. >> > > Just finished a mockup of my delevator system.. >> > > All the pics of Petes show the elevators in the nose down position. >> > > They are heavy, on balance fwd of hinge line. >> > > has anyone put a spring in the system to offset the >> > > heavy wood elevator >> > > as is you must have to hold aft stick for level flight ? >> > > Dave inverness, Fl >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398795#398795 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > **> >> > >> > >> >> * >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:18 AM PST US From: Craig Aho Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elevator I would like to see your trim system. I always enjoy seeing the enginuity o f others. Craig Date: Wed=2C 17 Apr 2013 11:00:51 -0400 Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elevator From: marcus.zechini@gmail.com I have elevator trim....will post pics if anyone desires. =0A Have locking push/pull cable under throttle lever=0A On Apr 17=2C 2013 10:32 AM=2C "Craig Aho" wrote: =0A =0A =0A =0A I had a spring on my First Air Camper from the Bell Crank to somewhere on t he structure behind the seat=2C cant remember and would have to look for a photo to know. I had read many years ago that Bernie did the same on his la st ship just to keep the Elevators up inline with the Stab. It was a just f or looks thing. =0A Craig > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator > From: billspiet@sympatico.ca > Date: Wed=2C 17 Apr 2013 05:45:08 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A > ca> > > This question posed by Dave didn't belong in a thread regarding flying to Brodhead=2C so I created a new thread. =0A > > In response to your question=2C Dave... > What?? > > > > > > n11dmx(at)yahoo.com > > Guest > > > > Posted: Tue Apr 16=2C 2013 5:10 pm Post subject: Piets from Brodhea d to Oshkosh? =0A > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- > > > > Sorry=2C but its a different subject.. > > Just finished a mockup of my delevator system.. =0A > > All the pics of Petes show the elevators in the nose down position. > > They are heavy=2C on balance fwd of hinge line. > > has anyone put a spring in the system to offset the > > heavy wood elevator =0A > > as is you must have to hold aft stick for level flight ? > > Dave inverness=2C Fl > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398795#398795 =0A > > > > > > > > > > =0A =0A =0A =0A " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A tp://forums.matronics.com=0A _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:40 AM PST US From: gcardinal@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? If you have tailskid you most certainly are. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:35:08 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? Greg, =C2- Are we "allowed" to land on the ultralight strip? =C2- Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: gcardinal Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 3:23 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? I've been kicking that idea around also. If I go I will be NORDO and I will =C2-land at the ultralight strip. =C2- Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Emch" < EmchAir@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:40:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their Piet to Brodhead, thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on Sunday morning. =C2-I'm hoping to fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am thinking very serious ly about heading further north for a couple of days. =C2-Might be fun if we had a small group... Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php ? =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2 - =C2- =C2- - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -<===== " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp:// ======= ============= == ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? From: helspersew@aol.com AWESOME, I finally get to use my removable tailwheel idea. I would love to join you. That makes it easy, and I don't have to worry about doing my firs t ever hard-surface landing. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: gcardinal Sent: Wed, Apr 17, 2013 12:00 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? If you have tailskid you most certainly are. Greg Cardinal From: helspersew@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:35:08 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? Greg, Are we "allowed" to land on the ultralight strip? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: gcardinal Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 3:23 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? I've been kicking that idea around also. If I go I will be NORDO and I will land at the ultralight strip. Greg Cardinal From: "Don Emch" Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:40:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their Piet to Brodhead, thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on Sunday morning. I'm hoping to fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am thinking very seriously ab out heading further north for a couple of days. Might be fun if we had a s mall group... Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php? - MATRONICS WEB FO RUMS -<==== " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:26 AM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? I dont want to get you overly excited, but I got an e mail from OSH about the radial engine get together. Anyway they were talking about possibly working on a new runway for taildraggers. I have been meaning to contact them but havent gotten to it yet. I just got home from SNF and am quite tired, great show though. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:35 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? Greg, Are we "allowed" to land on the ultralight strip? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: gcardinal To: pietenpol-list Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 3:23 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? I've been kicking that idea around also. If I go I will be NORDO and I will land at the ultralight strip. Greg Cardinal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: "Don Emch" To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:40:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their Piet to Brodhead, thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on Sunday morning. I'm hoping to fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am thinking very seriously about heading further north for a couple of days. Might be fun if we had a small group... Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php? - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -<==== " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:37 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols I may be going this year, depending on what comes up.=C2- I have been try ing to get my Baby Lakes finished so I can hopefully fly it this summer.=C2 - If I have any money left for Brodhead Fuel I will go. I will probably h ead up on Thursday if I go. =C2- Shad --- On Tue, 4/16/13, Jack Phillips wrote: From: Jack Phillips Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols I=99ll be heading back to Virginia on Sunday after Brodhead.=C2- Wi ll probably take two days to make the trip each way. =C2- I=99ll want to head to Brodhead on Tuesday, planning to arrive Wednes day.=C2- I try this every year and haven=99t gotten there before Fr iday yet. =C2- Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia =C2- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BRETT PHILLIPS Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols =C2- 1.) =C2-I'm working on it dammit! ;-) =C2-Honest I am... =C2-I'm aimi ng to fly, but I'll be there even if I have to drive. =C2- 2.) Probably some folks will. =C2-My belly is still full of plastic fanta stics and a sea of RV 's (winnebago's and -3's, -4's, -6's etc) from 2011. =C2-I won't likely be going back for a while. =C2- 3.) You will not want to leave Brodhead on Saturday. =C2-Sunday is the da y to leave if you have to, but it makes Pieting home to VA before Monday a rough proposition. =C2- If Gene and I are able to go together it will certainly be a long trip sinc e neither of us will be very fast or long legged. =C2-Add to that the fac t that neither of us has a tailwheel, so finding a place to land that has g as every 1-1/2 hours will be a challenge and will make for quite an adventu re. =C2-Purists carry a heavy cross in the east... =C2- Brett =C2- =C2- On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Fun2av8 wrote: I swear I posted this.... but can't find it. (1) Who is going to Brodhead this year? (2) Of those of you going to Brodhead - are any of you going to Oshkosh on Sunday July 28th? (3) If you are not going to Oshkosh - are you planning on heading back to V irginia on Saturday (27th) or Sunday (28th)? Me, I think I will have had enough camping for one trip - I will most likel y be headed back to VA at the end of Brodhead. =C2- I could be convinced to go to Oshkosh for a day or two - but that would be the max. -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper , VA =C2-KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398737#398737 st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp:/ /forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:25 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: "RE-PIET's" first kinda decent videos For those interested, Finally got two short videos that kinda show "RE-PIET" in action. Douwe http://youtu.be/mpkt0VlY1Ig http://youtu.be/RPoFpSn2A2I ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "RE-PIET's" first kinda decent videos From: Rick Very nice Douwe! Rick Schreiber Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2013, at 3:23 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w rote: > For those interested, > > Finally got two short videos that kinda show =9CRE-PIET=9D in a ction. > > Douwe > > http://youtu.be/mpkt0VlY1Ig > > http://youtu.be/RPoFpSn2A2I > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "RE-PIET's" first kinda decent videos From: "Chris Rusch" Great stuff Douwe , can't wait to see it in person! -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted. Wings covered and primed, one painted Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398833#398833 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie needed help and info. From: "Avill" I have been wondering this exact same thing. Thanks for bring it up Bill. My reasons are different though. I would be operating a Piet off of airports at altitudes of 5-6,000 ft before factoring in DA. Hence why I would be interested in any experiences operating at these altitudes, or folks that have extended their wing, and how they did it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398836#398836 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie needed help and info. From: "nightmare" Here is my humble opinion. I feel more comfortable taking off in an airplane that has a "good" climb rate. Its all relative, but we do have the ability to make some tweaks while building, that will enhance the climb rate. I've had two engine failures just after take off. Both airplanes had a very nice climb rate, and because of that, I was able to turn back to airport and barely land safely. landing straight ahead would have been ugly. (Very congested). Everyone has their own comfort level. Some probably dont think twice when they clear the trees at the end of the runway by fifty feet. Not me, atleast not since my engine failures. High altitude?, short runways?, no open fields on departure end?, heavy pilot/passenger? If your situation is like any of the above, i personally would add a couple of feet of wing. You may never need that extra altitude, but if you did, it sure would be nice being higher off the ground in an airplane that will glide slightly better and land a bit slower. Please dont beat me up too much guys, just my opinion. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398839#398839 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie needed help and info. From: Ken Bickers Avill, I've given this question a lot of thought over the past several years. I, too, operate out of a fairly high airport, KLMO, which has a field elevation of just over 5k, but with density altitudes that are typically between 7k and 9k during the summer. On my Pietenpol project, which is not yet flying, I've done at least three things to compensate for altitude. One, I lengthened the wings by 9 inches on each side. I know that isn't much, but the spar blanks I bought from Aircraft Spruce were 14' long. I decided not to cut off the 9 inches, and instead to take advantage of the extra length. That works out to a 5% longer wingspan. The attach points for the diagonal spars moved out approximately 6 inches from what is called out in the plans. I did lots of calculations using the formulas on the WestCoastPiet.com website before deciding whether (and where) to shift the strut attach points, as the section of the wing outside the struts is where the greatest lift stresses are located. Two, I decided not to do a cutout over the rear cockpit. Everything I read suggests this reduces lift by a significant amount. Were I nearer to sea level, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to build with the cutout. I love the look. But I want to retain every last measure of lift. Instead, I built a flop section. That gives me ease of access to the rear pit and preserves lift. Three, I decided to use a Corvair engine. I'm going fairly stock, ala William Wynne's conversion manual, with a set up to produce approximately 100 hp at sea level, or about 70-75 hp on a typical summer day here in Colorado. Not specific to altitude but just in general, I've tried to be judicious about things that add weight. I have made a couple of concessions. I've used the Jenny-style landing gear. It is a bit heavier than the J3-style gear. I just like the way it looks. Also, I've installed a second fuel tank. Again, I wouldn't have done that if I still lived in the midwest where there is an airport every few miles. Where I fly, airports can get awfully far apart. When they do, I'd swear the winds are directly off the nose. Tell us all where you are. If you are in the Colorado area, feel free to drop me a PM. There are a few other Pietenpols in the area -- a couple that are finished and a couple, including mine, that are advancing toward completion. My best, Ken On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Avill wrote: > > I have been wondering this exact same thing. Thanks for bring it up Bill. > My reasons are different though. I would be operating a Piet off of > airports at altitudes of 5-6,000 ft before factoring in DA. Hence why I > would be interested in any experiences operating at these altitudes, or > folks that have extended their wing, and how they did it. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398836#398836 > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? From: "Baldeagle" For the Airmail celebrations at Oshkosh a couple of years ago they laid out a grass strip off the approach end of 36, and I think that's what they're talking about again for this year. But you could only land from the south, you couldn't fly all the way down 18 and then land on the grass. - -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398842#398842 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols From: "Fun2av8" Hi Shad! Are you in Virginia? -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398845#398845 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols From: "Fun2av8" Here's what I think I have figured out - Please chime in if I got it wrong. Going to Brodhead - Gene Rambo - Jack Phillips - Matt Paxton - Jim McWhorter On The Fence - Marcus Zechini - Brett Phillips - Shad Haven't heard yet - Dave Boyd - Gary Booth Returning to VA on Sunday - Jack Phillips Going on to Oshkosh on Sunday - -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398846#398846 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols From: Gary Boothe You will not see me at B'head this year...sorry to miss all y'all! Gary Boothe NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2013, at 7:36 PM, "Fun2av8" wrote: > > Here's what I think I have figured out - Please chime in if I got it wrong. > > Going to Brodhead > - Gene Rambo > - Jack Phillips > - Matt Paxton > - Jim McWhorter > > On The Fence > - Marcus Zechini > - Brett Phillips > - Shad > > Haven't heard yet > - Dave Boyd > - Gary Booth > > Returning to VA on Sunday > - Jack Phillips > > Going on to Oshkosh on Sunday > - > > -------- > Jim McWhorter > N687MB (New Owner) > Culpeper, VA KCJR > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398846#398846 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:37 PM PST US From: "M. Zeke Zechini" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols I think I am on the Brodhead side of the fence... Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2013, at 10:48 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > You will not see me at B'head this year...sorry to miss all y'all! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 17, 2013, at 7:36 PM, "Fun2av8" wrote: > >> >> Here's what I think I have figured out - Please chime in if I got it wrong. >> >> Going to Brodhead >> - Gene Rambo >> - Jack Phillips >> - Matt Paxton >> - Jim McWhorter >> >> On The Fence >> - Marcus Zechini >> - Brett Phillips >> - Shad >> >> Haven't heard yet >> - Dave Boyd >> - Gary Booth >> >> Returning to VA on Sunday >> - Jack Phillips >> >> Going on to Oshkosh on Sunday >> - >> >> -------- >> Jim McWhorter >> N687MB (New Owner) >> Culpeper, VA KCJR >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398846#398846 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols From: "M. Zeke Zechini" Shad...from where do you hail? Jack, take a look at 3VA7 on a chart. Rally point? Quite sure I am going. Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2013, at 3:54 PM, shad bell wrote: > > I may be going this year, depending on what comes up. I have been trying t o get my Baby Lakes finished so I can hopefully fly it this summer. If I ha ve any money left for Brodhead Fuel I will go. I will probably head up on Th ursday if I go. > > Shad > > --- On Tue, 4/16/13, Jack Phillips wrote: > > From: Jack Phillips > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 10:03 PM > > I=99ll be heading back to Virginia on Sunday after Brodhead. Will p robably take two days to make the trip each way. > > > > I=99ll want to head to Brodhead on Tuesday, planning to arrive Wedne sday. I try this every year and haven=99t gotten there before Friday y et. > > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BRETT PHILLIPS > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:31 PM > To: pietenpol-list > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols > > > > 1.) I'm working on it dammit! ;-) Honest I am... I'm aiming to fly, but I'll be there even if I have to drive. > > > > 2.) Probably some folks will. My belly is still full of plastic fantastic s and a sea of RV 's (winnebago's and -3's, -4's, -6's etc) from 2011. I wo n't likely be going back for a while. > > > > 3.) You will not want to leave Brodhead on Saturday. Sunday is the day to leave if you have to, but it makes Pieting home to VA before Monday a rough proposition. > > > > If Gene and I are able to go together it will certainly be a long trip sin ce neither of us will be very fast or long legged. Add to that the fact tha t neither of us has a tailwheel, so finding a place to land that has gas eve ry 1-1/2 hours will be a challenge and will make for quite an adventure. Pu rists carry a heavy cross in the east... > > > > Brett > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Fun2av8 wrote: > > > I swear I posted this.... but can't find it. > > (1) Who is going to Brodhead this year? > > (2) Of those of you going to Brodhead - are any of you going to Oshkosh on Sunday July 28th? > > (3) If you are not going to Oshkosh - are you planning on heading back to V irginia on Saturday (27th) or Sunday (28th)? > > Me, I think I will have had enough camping for one trip - I will most like ly be headed back to VA at the end of Brodhead. 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