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1. 05:42 AM - Re: Virginia Pietenpols (Bill Church)
2. 05:42 AM - Re: Re: Newbie needed help and info. (airlion2@gmail.com)
3. 05:42 AM - going to Brodhead (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 06:09 AM - Night Flying in a Piet (Fun2av8)
5. 06:09 AM - Re: Re: Virginia Pietenpols (Gary Boothe)
6. 06:12 AM - FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft (Fun2av8)
7. 06:15 AM - Re: Virginia Pietenpols (Fun2av8)
8. 06:46 AM - Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft (AircamperN11MS)
9. 06:57 AM - Re: Night Flying in a Piet (dgaldrich)
10. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: Night Flying in a Piet (Gerry Holland)
11. 07:13 AM - Re: Night Flying in a Piet (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
12. 07:56 AM - Re: Night Flying in a Piet (tools)
13. 07:59 AM - Re: Night Flying in a Piet (Dick N)
14. 08:04 AM - Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft (tools)
15. 08:07 AM - Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft (AircamperN11MS)
16. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: Night Flying in a Piet (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
17. 08:20 AM - Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft (tools)
18. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Night Flying in a Piet (Robert Gow)
19. 08:26 AM - Re: Night Flying in a Piet (Bill Church)
20. 08:30 AM - Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft (AircamperN11MS)
21. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Virginia Pietenpols (DandD Boyd)
22. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: Virginia Pietenpols (shad bell)
23. 10:48 AM - Re: going to Brodhead (Don Emch)
24. 12:41 PM - Re: Night Flying in a Piet (Baldeagle)
25. 01:31 PM - Re: Re: Night Flying in a Piet (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
26. 02:06 PM - Re: Re: Night Flying in a Piet (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
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| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
Gary,
Now, how did you manage to get included in the Virginia Pietenpols group? California
to Brodhead via Virginia would be a BIG detour for you if you were going.
> Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:48 pm Post subject: Virginia Pietenpols
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> You will not see me at B'head this year...sorry to miss all y'all!
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> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie needed help and info. |
Ken, where are you located. I have kids in Colorado Springs and glen wood sp
rings and I get out there often. My Piet has the cut out. And the WWII corva
ir. Gardiner Mason (Airlion)
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 17, 2013, at 8:54 PM, Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> wrote:
> Avill,
>
> I've given this question a lot of thought over the past several years. I,
too, operate out of a fairly high airport, KLMO, which has a field elevatio
n of just over 5k, but with density altitudes that are typically between 7k a
nd 9k during the summer.
>
> On my Pietenpol project, which is not yet flying, I've done at least three
things to compensate for altitude. One, I lengthened the wings by 9 inches
on each side. I know that isn't much, but the spar blanks I bought from Ai
rcraft Spruce were 14' long. I decided not to cut off the 9 inches, and ins
tead to take advantage of the extra length. That works out to a 5% longer w
ingspan. The attach points for the diagonal spars moved out approximately 6
inches from what is called out in the plans. I did lots of calculations usi
ng the formulas on the WestCoastPiet.com website before deciding whether (an
d where) to shift the strut attach points, as the section of the wing outsid
e the struts is where the greatest lift stresses are located.
>
> Two, I decided not to do a cutout over the rear cockpit. Everything I rea
d suggests this reduces lift by a significant amount. Were I nearer to sea l
evel, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to build with the cutout. I love the
look. But I want to retain every last measure of lift. Instead, I built a
flop section. That gives me ease of access to the rear pit and preserves li
ft.
>
> Three, I decided to use a Corvair engine. I'm going fairly stock, ala Will
iam Wynne's conversion manual, with a set up to produce approximately 100 hp
at sea level, or about 70-75 hp on a typical summer day here in Colorado.
>
> Not specific to altitude but just in general, I've tried to be judicious a
bout things that add weight. I have made a couple of concessions. I've used
the Jenny-style landing gear. It is a bit heavier than the J3-style gear.
I just like the way it looks. Also, I've installed a second fuel tank. Ag
ain, I wouldn't have done that if I still lived in the midwest where there i
s an airport every few miles. Where I fly, airports can get awfully far apa
rt. When they do, I'd swear the winds are directly off the nose.
>
> Tell us all where you are. If you are in the Colorado area, feel free to d
rop me a PM. There are a few other Pietenpols in the area -- a couple that a
re finished and a couple, including mine, that are advancing toward completi
on.
>
> My best, Ken
>
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> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Avill <avillery@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I have been wondering this exact same thing. Thanks for bring it up Bill.
My reasons are different though. I would be operating a Piet off of airport
s at altitudes of 5-6,000 ft before factoring in DA. Hence why I would be in
terested in any experiences operating at these altitudes, or folks that have
extended their wing, and how they did it.
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| Subject: | going to Brodhead |
Douwe's going IF life doesn't throw any curves. I want to join a group
coming through and tag along for my first trip. Looks like a gaggle will
fly through/assemble in Waynesville, OH.
There are two piets in Lousiville that are thinking about it, and Jeff Faith
would like to if everything works out for him.
There's yet another by Waynesville, OH who is considering it if his schedule
allows.
Gradiner is coming through from Atlanta and Jeff B MIGHT tag along with him.
Those are the guys I"ve spoken with.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Night Flying in a Piet |
I searched the forum and could not find any thoughts on this. Does anyone have
lights on their Piet for Night Flying? If so - are their rules about putting
lights on an experimental aircraft?
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
It's not that far...if you are One with the world...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
--> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Gary,
Now, how did you manage to get included in the Virginia Pietenpols group?
California to Brodhead via Virginia would be a BIG detour for you if you
were going.
> Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:48 pm Post subject: Virginia Pietenpols
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> You will not see me at B'head this year...sorry to miss all y'all!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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| Subject: | FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft |
New to this experimental stuff .... where do I find the rules and regulations of
what I can and can't do to an experimental aircraft? I am positive they exist
- I'm also equally sure they are somewhat restrictive. Just need to know where
to find them. I want to make sure my Piet is legal and safe.
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
Wow, now that is a long XC. Sorry Gary, I got the impression you were a Virginia
based Piet. my bad! But, on the other hand - if you leave two weeks early
- you can join us :-)
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft |
Jim,
Your airplane has a set of Operating Limitations. They should be carried in the
airplane. Find these and read them. They will tell you exactly what you can
do and what FAR's apply to your plane. The Operating Limitations are the bible
and Lifeblood of your airplane. They all read a little different, depending
on who wrote them. The correct verbiage you put in the logbook for your condition
inspections is also there.
You must carry the Operating Limitations in the aircraft to be legal.
Hope this helps you.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
Off the top of my head, I think red/green/white position lights and a beacon/strobe
are the exterior ones required. There's a synapse firing that says a landing
light is not and that there are one or two additional instruments (like
maybe a turn/bank) that are. More to follow when I remember where to find the
real data.
Then there's the question of wisdom. If you get caught out and are returning just
around civil twilight, that's one thing. Dead of the night flying into an
unfamiliar airfield is not for the inexperienced or faint of heart, especially
in a barely VFR equipped aircraft. I've got a LOT of flying time and think
carefully before doing it in my IFR equipped Cherokee.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
Dave Hi.
Have you seen this? I'm in UK so good here yet.
> It's an App for the iPad called Xavion that will guide you into a safe
landing after an engine failure at night or IFR.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KE00OMiKVQ&feature=youtu.be
>
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
UNCLASSIFIED
The rules basically say you have to have lights. A red port (left), green starboard
(right) and white tail position lights. An anti collision light (Strobe or
rotating beacons, top and/or Bottom) and you would need a landing/Taxi light.
Beyond that there is little expectation.
You could put in a conventional electrical type system But for Experimental there
is no requirement for them to be driven by the engine electrical system, you
could even consider "add on" lights, IE small battery powered independent (no
wires) positon and anticollision lights that you turn on and off before and
after the flight. IE no cockpit switch. Then a good "spotlight" that will serve
as a landing/taxi light.
Don't read in more to what the FAA requres.
You could just run the wires while building and not put lights on until later.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 04/18/13, Fun2av8 wrote:
>
> I searched the forum and could not find any thoughts on this. Does anyone have
lights on their Piet for Night Flying? If so - are their rules about putting
lights on an experimental aircraft?
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> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
Using this reference (the best I can find so far...)
http://www.eaa.org/sportaviationmag/2011/1103_ABEA_Requirements.pdf
I think all you need is position lights, anti collision lights, adequate electricity
and spare fuses (?).
Found it curious that a lot of what I thought were required instruments (airspeed,
fuel, engine... etc) are NOT listed as required for day vfr, but are for night
vfr. Is this because of the experimental status?
Anyway, also seems odd nothing is mentioned about cockpit lighting, so you can
see the required instruments...
Can't find anything about a landing light, most sources seem to indicate this is
needed only for commercially used aircraft.
>From a common sense standpoint, another necessity is a WELL lit field, and if
necessary, a way to activate the lights there (two way radio perhaps).
Night flying is GREAT! However, it's also a lot more varsity than intuitively
obvious. The loss of peripheral vision is a HUGE deal and requires a lot of thought,
training, whatever. It's a lot like really marginal VFR, very insidious.
The toughest flying I've ever done (other than a few select nights at the
boat) was in the Persian gulf during the summer. PERFECTLY legal VFR, but ABSOLUTELY
no horizon. It was plainly an instrument only affair and I logged it
that way. Pretty sure it was conditions like those that led to JFK Jr's death.
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| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
I have wing tip lights, a tail light and a landing light on my piet. They
are not there for night flight, they are there for flying for the 30
minutes after sunset which can be the nicest time of day around here.
Dick N.
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From: "Fun2av8" <iflyga@fun2av8.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Night Flying in a Piet
>
> I searched the forum and could not find any thoughts on this. Does anyone
> have lights on their Piet for Night Flying? If so - are their rules about
> putting lights on an experimental aircraft?
>
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> Jim McWhorter
> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft |
I just found one reference in the EAA's website, mentioned it in your thread about
night flying. Might want to look around there, or just call them! It IS
their specialty.
Digging it out of the FAR's is proving tougher than I thought it would be...
Keep in mind, what is LEGAL for an experimental plane, and what is SAFE are sometimes
NOT the same! It's good that the rules are vague enough that we can operate
these things, but that does place a bigger burden on headwork. Your regular
light civil experience will prove useful here!
>From what I can tell, most of rules that apply to certed light civil planes, do
pretty much keep you safe, albeit somewhat over robust at times.
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft |
Jim,
Again, check your operating limitations. They may prohibit it.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
UNCLASSIFIED
In my 65 year old Vtail Bonanza, I really think before I do night flight. Not as
worried over my home field or over most of the plains of Texas, Oklahoma, New
Mexico or Kansas. Lots of flat open places to put a plane even when you can
barely see.
BUT I don't want to be over Antelope hill Oklahoma in a glider at night. Lots of
rough terrain to bump into.
I do plan flights where I arrive near Enid Oklahoma from San Antonio after dark.
The last hour of flight is over very flat terrain with plenty of airports I
am familiar with. I don't like to be approaching San Antonio after dark. Lots
of rough terrain, I am less familiar with all the local airports, and there are
lots of towers and such.
Having said that, there is something very peaceful and beautiful about night flight.
Clear Skies,
Steve
On 04/18/13, dgaldrich wrote:
>
> Off the top of my head, I think red/green/white position lights and a beacon/strobe
are the exterior ones required. There's a synapse firing that says a landing
light is not and that there are one or two additional instruments (like
maybe a turn/bank) that are. More to follow when I remember where to find the
real data.
>
> Then there's the question of wisdom. If you get caught out and are returning
just around civil twilight, that's one thing. Dead of the night flying into an
unfamiliar airfield is not for the inexperienced or faint of heart, especially
in a barely VFR equipped aircraft. I've got a LOT of flying time and think carefully
before doing it in my IFR equipped Cherokee.
>
> Dave
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398869#398869
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft |
Oh... there's a good point...
If your limitations say NO NIGHT FLYING, how easy is it to change that? Didn't
even consider that... I guess even if you do make it legal (physically), you
need to get that modified?
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| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
Most jurisdictions (Canada, Europe and I think the USA) require an
artificial horizon at night under the relevant operation rules.
All night operations are not the same. I have been completely disoriented
leveling off on a black night over northern Ontario and desperately needed
the AI to keep the aircraft strait and level until my brain got with the
program. On the other hand I have run my Chief on skies on a moon light
night over snow covered fields with "full" visibility as if it were day or
just dusk. That was fair to middlin' illegal with no running lights (no
electrics) and no AI but relatively safe and amazingly beautiful.
Bob
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
Sent: April 18, 2013 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
--> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
UNCLASSIFIED
In my 65 year old Vtail Bonanza, I really think before I do night flight.
Not as worried over my home field or over most of the plains of Texas,
Oklahoma, New Mexico or Kansas. Lots of flat open places to put a plane
even when you can barely see.
BUT I don't want to be over Antelope hill Oklahoma in a glider at night.
Lots of rough terrain to bump into.
I do plan flights where I arrive near Enid Oklahoma from San Antonio after
dark. The last hour of flight is over very flat terrain with plenty of
airports I am familiar with. I don't like to be approaching San Antonio
after dark. Lots of rough terrain, I am less familiar with all the local
airports, and there are lots of towers and such.
Having said that, there is something very peaceful and beautiful about
night flight.
Clear Skies,
Steve
On 04/18/13, dgaldrich wrote:
> --> <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
>
> Off the top of my head, I think red/green/white position lights and a
beacon/strobe are the exterior ones required. There's a synapse firing
that says a landing light is not and that there are one or two additional
instruments (like maybe a turn/bank) that are. More to follow when I
remember where to find the real data.
>
> Then there's the question of wisdom. If you get caught out and are
returning just around civil twilight, that's one thing. Dead of the night
flying into an unfamiliar airfield is not for the inexperienced or faint
of heart, especially in a barely VFR equipped aircraft. I've got a LOT of
flying time and think carefully before doing it in my IFR equipped
Cherokee.
>
> Dave
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398869#398869
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| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
A regular at Brodhead, N57TL is equipped for night flight, including instrument
lights.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft |
Tools,
You are correct about changing the Limitations. That airplane has probably got
the older type of Operating Limitations due to its age. If any changes are made,
the local FSDO office WILL provide the plane with the updated version of
the limitations. This is not necessarily a good thing. Do your homework before
jumping into doing this. I have been down this road in the past and elected
to not change mine.
My three cents,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
Even though not yet in Virginia (ETA late 2014) Dave Boyd is going to
Brodhead in NX7710J. Departing CMI about '0 Dark Thirty' on Friday
returning Sunday.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:15 PM, M. Zeke Zechini
<marcus.zechini@gmail.com>wrote:
> Shad...from where do you hail?
> Jack, take a look at 3VA7 on a chart. Rally point?
> Quite sure I am going.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 17, 2013, at 3:54 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I may be going this year, depending on what comes up. I have been trying
> to get my Baby Lakes finished so I can hopefully fly it this summer. If
I
> have any money left for Brodhead Fuel I will go. I will probably head up
on
> Thursday if I go.
>
> Shad
>
> --- On *Tue, 4/16/13, Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 10:03 PM
>
> I=92ll be heading back to Virginia on Sunday after Brodhead. Will
> probably take two days to make the trip each way.
>
>
> I=92ll want to head to Brodhead on Tuesday, planning to arrive Wednesday.
I
> try this every year and haven=92t gotten there before Friday yet.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [
> mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com<owner-pietenpol-list-ser
ver@matronics.com>]
> *On Behalf Of *BRETT PHILLIPS
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:31 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
>
>
> 1.) I'm working on it dammit! ;-) Honest I am... I'm aiming to fly, bu
t
> I'll be there even if I have to drive.
>
>
> 2.) Probably some folks will. My belly is still full of plastic
> fantastics and a sea of RV 's (winnebago's and -3's, -4's, -6's etc) from
> 2011. I won't likely be going back for a while.
>
>
> 3.) You will not want to leave Brodhead on Saturday. Sunday is the day t
o
> leave if you have to, but it makes Pieting home to VA before Monday a rou
gh
> proposition.
>
>
> If Gene and I are able to go together it will certainly be a long trip
> since neither of us will be very fast or long legged. Add to that the fa
ct
> that neither of us has a tailwheel, so finding a place to land that has g
as
> every 1-1/2 hours will be a challenge and will make for quite an adventur
e.
> Purists carry a heavy cross in the east...
>
>
> Brett
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Fun2av8 <iflyga@fun2av8.com<http://us.m
c1612.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=iflyga@fun2av8.com>>
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> >
>
> I swear I posted this.... but can't find it.
>
> (1) Who is going to Brodhead this year?
>
> (2) Of those of you going to Brodhead - are any of you going to Oshkosh o
n
> Sunday July 28th?
>
> (3) If you are not going to Oshkosh - are you planning on heading back to
> Virginia on Saturday (27th) or Sunday (28th)?
>
> Me, I think I will have had enough camping for one trip - I will most
> likely be headed back to VA at the end of Brodhead. I could be convince
d
> to go to Oshkosh for a day or two - but that would be the max.
>
>
> --------
> Jim McWhorter
> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper , VA KCJR
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I am central Ohio, Centerburg.=C2- I usually fly rt 30 across northern In
diana- Joliet, Poplar Grove-Brodhead
=C2-
Shad
--- On Thu, 4/18/13, DandD Boyd <dndboyd2@gmail.com> wrote:
From: DandD Boyd <dndboyd2@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
Even though not yet in Virginia (ETA late 2014) Dave Boyd is going to Brodh
ead in NX7710J.=C2- Departing CMI about '0 Dark Thirty'=C2-on Friday re
turning Sunday.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:15 PM, M. Zeke Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail.com
> wrote:
Shad...from where do you hail?
Jack, take a look at 3VA7 on a chart. Rally point?=C2-
Quite sure I am going.=C2-
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 17, 2013, at 3:54 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
I may be going this year, depending on what comes up.=C2- I have been try
ing to get my Baby Lakes finished so I can hopefully fly it this summer.=C2
- If I have any money left for Brodhead Fuel I will go. I will probably h
ead up on Thursday if I go.
=C2-
Shad
--- On Tue, 4/16/13, Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
I=99ll be heading back to Virginia on Sunday after Brodhead.=C2- Wi
ll probably take two days to make the trip each way.
=C2-
I=99ll want to head to Brodhead on Tuesday, planning to arrive Wednes
day.=C2- I try this every year and haven=99t gotten there before Fr
iday yet.
=C2-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
=C2-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BRETT PHILLIPS
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
=C2-
1.) =C2-I'm working on it dammit! ;-) =C2-Honest I am... =C2-I'm aimi
ng to fly, but I'll be there even if I have to drive.
=C2-
2.) Probably some folks will. =C2-My belly is still full of plastic fanta
stics and a sea of RV 's (winnebago's and -3's, -4's, -6's etc) from 2011.
=C2-I won't likely be going back for a while.
=C2-
3.) You will not want to leave Brodhead on Saturday. =C2-Sunday is the da
y to leave if you have to, but it makes Pieting home to VA before Monday a
rough proposition.
=C2-
If Gene and I are able to go together it will certainly be a long trip sinc
e neither of us will be very fast or long legged. =C2-Add to that the fac
t that neither of us has a tailwheel, so finding a place to land that has g
as every 1-1/2 hours will be a challenge and will make for quite an adventu
re. =C2-Purists carry a heavy cross in the east...
=C2-
Brett
=C2-
=C2-
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Fun2av8 <iflyga@fun2av8.com> wrote:
I swear I posted this.... but can't find it.
(1) Who is going to Brodhead this year?
(2) Of those of you going to Brodhead - are any of you going to Oshkosh on
Sunday July 28th?
(3) If you are not going to Oshkosh - are you planning on heading back to V
irginia on Saturday (27th) or Sunday (28th)?
Me, I think I will have had enough camping for one trip - I will most likel
y be headed back to VA at the end of Brodhead. =C2- I could be convinced
to go to Oshkosh for a day or two - but that would be the max.
--------
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N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper , VA =C2-KCJR
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Hey Douwe,
I understand about life throwing curves at you! Who are the Louisville guys?
Is one Jim Kinsella by any chance? As long as I don't get any curveballs either
I'll probably be flying the route 30 corridor.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
Mr. Sam has been flown at night. If it still has the master switch indicator light
you can read the chart by that......
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| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
UNCLASSIFIED
Check out this "Pocket Panel" for $1500. Not cheap but stand alone (internal battery)
or cigarette lighther. Lighting internal, Heading, AHI, artificial Horizon
and all plus GPS Speed and heading, 4 hour charge, ETC Plus it can be moved
from plane to plane.
http://dynonavionics.com/downloads/Literature/Dynon-D1-Pocket-Panel-Web-Jul2012.pdf
or Trutrak Attitude indicators only draw 1 amp if you have a
These could meet the requiremtn for AH
Blue Skies,
STeve D
On 04/18/13, Robert Gow wrote:
>
> Most jurisdictions (Canada, Europe and I think the USA) require an
> artificial horizon at night under the relevant operation rules.
>
> All night operations are not the same. I have been completely disoriented
> leveling off on a black night over northern Ontario and desperately needed
> the AI to keep the aircraft strait and level until my brain got with the
> program. On the other hand I have run my Chief on skies on a moon light
> night over snow covered fields with "full" visibility as if it were day or
> just dusk. That was fair to middlin' illegal with no running lights (no
> electrics) and no AI but relatively safe and amazingly beautiful.
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com](javascript:main.compose() On Behalf Of Dortch,
> Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> Sent: April 18, 2013 11:10 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
>
> --> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> In my 65 year old Vtail Bonanza, I really think before I do night flight.
> Not as worried over my home field or over most of the plains of Texas,
> Oklahoma, New Mexico or Kansas. Lots of flat open places to put a plane
> even when you can barely see.
>
> BUT I don't want to be over Antelope hill Oklahoma in a glider at night.
> Lots of rough terrain to bump into.
>
> I do plan flights where I arrive near Enid Oklahoma from San Antonio after
> dark. The last hour of flight is over very flat terrain with plenty of
> airports I am familiar with. I don't like to be approaching San Antonio
> after dark. Lots of rough terrain, I am less familiar with all the local
> airports, and there are lots of towers and such.
>
> Having said that, there is something very peaceful and beautiful about
> night flight.
>
> Clear Skies,
> Steve
>
> On 04/18/13, dgaldrich wrote:
> > --> <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
> >
> > Off the top of my head, I think red/green/white position lights and a
> beacon/strobe are the exterior ones required. There's a synapse firing
> that says a landing light is not and that there are one or two additional
> instruments (like maybe a turn/bank) that are. More to follow when I
> remember where to find the real data.
> >
> > Then there's the question of wisdom. If you get caught out and are
> returning just around civil twilight, that's one thing. Dead of the night
> flying into an unfamiliar airfield is not for the inexperienced or faint
> of heart, especially in a barely VFR equipped aircraft. I've got a LOT of
> flying time and think carefully before doing it in my IFR equipped
> Cherokee.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398869#398869
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
>
>
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
UNCLASSIFIED
To clarify, I see this as an Option to buying a lot of equipment. It replaces several
instruments and does not require an electrical system. Indeed it is portable
and can be used in several planes.
Just a thot.
Steve D
On 04/18/13, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" wrote:
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> Check out this "Pocket Panel" for $1500. Not cheap but stand alone (internal
battery) or cigarette lighther. Lighting internal, Heading, AHI, artificial Horizon
and all plus GPS Speed and heading, 4 hour charge, ETC Plus it can be moved
from plane to plane.
>
> http://dynonavionics.com/downloads/Literature/Dynon-D1-Pocket-Panel-Web-Jul2012.pdf
>
> or Trutrak Attitude indicators only draw 1 amp if you have a
>
> These could meet the requiremtn for AH
>
> Blue Skies,
> STeve D
>
> On 04/18/13, Robert Gow wrote:
> >
> > Most jurisdictions (Canada, Europe and I think the USA) require an
> > artificial horizon at night under the relevant operation rules.
> >
> > All night operations are not the same. I have been completely disoriented
> > leveling off on a black night over northern Ontario and desperately needed
> > the AI to keep the aircraft strait and level until my brain got with the
> > program. On the other hand I have run my Chief on skies on a moon light
> > night over snow covered fields with "full" visibility as if it were day or
> > just dusk. That was fair to middlin' illegal with no running lights (no
> > electrics) and no AI but relatively safe and amazingly beautiful.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com](javascript:main.compose()(javascript:main.compose() On Behalf Of Dortch,
> > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> > Sent: April 18, 2013 11:10 AM
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
> >
> > --> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
> >
> > UNCLASSIFIED
> > In my 65 year old Vtail Bonanza, I really think before I do night flight.
> > Not as worried over my home field or over most of the plains of Texas,
> > Oklahoma, New Mexico or Kansas. Lots of flat open places to put a plane
> > even when you can barely see.
> >
> > BUT I don't want to be over Antelope hill Oklahoma in a glider at night.
> > Lots of rough terrain to bump into.
> >
> > I do plan flights where I arrive near Enid Oklahoma from San Antonio after
> > dark. The last hour of flight is over very flat terrain with plenty of
> > airports I am familiar with. I don't like to be approaching San Antonio
> > after dark. Lots of rough terrain, I am less familiar with all the local
> > airports, and there are lots of towers and such.
> >
> > Having said that, there is something very peaceful and beautiful about
> > night flight.
> >
> > Clear Skies,
> > Steve
> >
> > On 04/18/13, dgaldrich wrote:
> > > --> <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
> > >
> > > Off the top of my head, I think red/green/white position lights and a
> > beacon/strobe are the exterior ones required. There's a synapse firing
> > that says a landing light is not and that there are one or two additional
> > instruments (like maybe a turn/bank) that are. More to follow when I
> > remember where to find the real data.
> > >
> > > Then there's the question of wisdom. If you get caught out and are
> > returning just around civil twilight, that's one thing. Dead of the night
> > flying into an unfamiliar airfield is not for the inexperienced or faint
> > of heart, especially in a barely VFR equipped aircraft. I've got a LOT of
> > flying time and think carefully before doing it in my IFR equipped
> > Cherokee.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398869#398869
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > UNCLASSIFIED
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
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