---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/24/13: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:19 AM - Re: Model A water prob (Jack) 2. 05:38 AM - Re: Re: Model A water prob (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 06:16 AM - flop (Gardiner) 4. 06:25 AM - another option for Oscar (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 5. 10:22 AM - Ruddder Horn Repair (Andre Abreu) 6. 10:53 AM - Re: flop (taildrags) 7. 10:55 AM - Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (Fun2av8) 8. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (Marcus Zechini) 9. 11:56 AM - Axle thickness? (Chris Rusch) 10. 12:09 PM - Re: Ruddder Horn Repair (shad bell) 11. 12:50 PM - Re: Ruddder Horn Repair (aabreu) 12. 02:17 PM - Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (Fun2av8) 13. 02:17 PM - Re: Axle thickness? (Craig Aho) 14. 02:41 PM - Re: Model A water prob (bender) 15. 03:27 PM - Re: Axle thickness? (Jack Phillips) 16. 06:46 PM - Re: Axle thickness? (Jerry Dotson) 17. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (Dick N) 18. 08:27 PM - Re: Axle thickness? (Chris Rusch) 19. 08:58 PM - Anyone near Beaumont TX? (Mark Roberts) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A water prob From: Jack Jeff, obvious but...is the plumping hooked up correctly? Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:49 PM, "bender" wrote: > > Hey Guys.... I'm still fighting this water overflow problem on the ford A... I'm starting to wonder if the problem is the angle of the engine on the ground.. ? > I ran today.. at full power after a couple of minutes i believe.. I started getting water overflowing again. > Its killing me.. I want to fly but not if there's a problem.. > I added a "steam pipe " to the front of the head... slowed down the pump a bit and still after a bit of a run at full power... water out of the overflow. and at temps below 180. I'm wondering if i'm getting a steam pocket in the head. Do i need to raise the tail to do a long full power run ?? > Am i creating my own problem ? > > i see why the air cooled engines win out sometimes... i love the A.. runs great.... but this is baffling me > > jeff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399251#399251 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model A water prob From: helspersew@aol.com Jeff, Mine did the same thing, but seems to be less of a problem lately. When the water level finds the zone it stops. I flew all those rides last year at B rodhead with no problems. I only recall adding a water bottle full of water the whole weekend. Go fly and see how it goes. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: bender Sent: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:12 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model A water prob > It's a new radiator. ..I had it made. . Aluminum two row core. It's narrower than the Lovely radiator many have. .. 20" by 8" .. & I think forest built his 10 or 12 by 20... but I've been told aluminum is 30% More efficient. .I really think I'm getting a steam pocket. . The radiator keeps its cool till it overflows then it gets warm. .. not hot then overflow. Overflow then hot. ..I could put the tail on a stand and run but a taxi at full power long enough to overflow would result in a lot of altitude Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399256#399256 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:05 AM PST US From: Gardiner Subject: Pietenpol-List: flop for, those of you that have a flop on the center section, do you still get air coming down the back of your neck? I have the C/S cut out and the down draft is quite strong and am considering putting a removable section for flight. cheers gardiner. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:54 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: another option for Oscar Oscar, Here's another option. Fly an airplane similar to what you normally fly fo r flight review. (unless you really want to learn and fly the glass panel 152 of course) I routinely take my f light review in a nearby J-3 that an FBO gives dual instruction in because that plane is closest in flying ch aracteristics as the plane I do most of my flying in. 39 minutes from you in Grants Pass Oregon you can take your flight review i n this Ercoupe and you won't have to worry about getting a Garmin 1000 manual. http://www.captaindrakesfaa.com/page_packages.php [cid:image001.png@01CE40CD.AE06AEF0] The owner even has a wonderful lodge that you can take your wife to for a b eautiful overnighter and still be home to feed the dog in the morning. Captain Drakes Family Aerial Adventures Illinois Valley Airport (3S4) 424 Airport Drive Cave Junction, Oregon 97523 Phone:541-415-0600 Email: Captaindrakesfaa@gmail.com [cid:image002.png@01CE40CD.AE06AEF0] ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:47 AM PST US From: Andre Abreu Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ruddder Horn Repair The Rudder Horn on 6186L broke.- =0AWe removed it from the aircraft and m ade a repair... just in time for flying season.=0A=0AHere are some pictures .=0Ahttp://http://tinyurl.com/aqe27h3=0A=0AAndy Abreu =0AKTDZ=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flop From: "taildrags" Gardiner; Scout has a hinged flop. In cold weather I find myself leaning forward a bit, but that's so that I can get behind the windscreen a little closer. I do not get wind down my back from the flop. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399289#399289 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam From: "Fun2av8" I've seen several Piets and they do NOT have shoulder harnesses - just seat belts. Does anyone use a 4-point harness in the back seat or is it tradition to use only a lap belt? If you do use a harness, and if you had to install it after the Piet was built - would share how you did it? Mr. Sam has only a lap belt. I would like to add a four point harness - but since the seat back is built-in to the frame - there will have to be some serious wood cutting to install the shoulder harness. Thoughts and suggestions are welcome. -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399290#399290 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam From: Marcus Zechini Jim: While doing conditional, got a peek through inspection hole at how shoulder half is attached. Mine come thru slits in fabric behind the seat. I will pop in to CJR soon. Zeke GN-1 C-85-12 "Rosie" On Apr 24, 2013 2:02 PM, "Fun2av8" wrote: > > I've seen several Piets and they do NOT have shoulder harnesses - just > seat belts. Does anyone use a 4-point harness in the back seat or is it > tradition to use only a lap belt? > > If you do use a harness, and if you had to install it after the Piet was > built - would share how you did it? > > Mr. Sam has only a lap belt. I would like to add a four point harness - > but since the seat back is built-in to the frame - there will have to be > some serious wood cutting to install the shoulder harness. > > Thoughts and suggestions are welcome. > > -------- > Jim McWhorter > N687MB (New Owner) > Culpeper, VA KCJR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399290#399290 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Axle thickness? From: "Chris Rusch" Just wondering what everyone is using for axle thickness for straight gear piets? Mine is 1-1/2" x .120 wall chromolly and I can see it flexing just sitting there.....i know somebody on here broke an axle and increased it to 3/16 wall...... -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted. Wings covered and primed, one painted Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399294#399294 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:25 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ruddder Horn Repair Andy, I am going to try to get our Piet annual cond insp. done this week. - We will have to try to meet up for breakfast or lunch sometime this spr ing/ summer. - Shad Bell NX92GB --- On Wed, 4/24/13, Andre Abreu wrote: From: Andre Abreu Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ruddder Horn Repair The Rudder Horn on 6186L broke.- We removed it from the aircraft and made a repair... just in time for flyin g season. Here are some pictures. http://http://tinyurl.com/aqe27h3 Andy Abreu KTDZ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ruddder Horn Repair From: "aabreu" Shad, Cool... come out for a pancake breakfast or something! Andy Abreu KTDZ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399296#399296 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam From: "Fun2av8" Hi Zeke, Thanks ... Let me know when you are coming and I will be sure to be at Culpeper. Its only 10 minutes from the house. -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399300#399300 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:03 PM PST US From: Craig Aho Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Axle thickness? That is interesting=2C I have the same size and it has a very noticable bow to it. Craig > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Axle thickness? > From: rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com > Date: Wed=2C 24 Apr 2013 11:54:58 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > om> > > Just wondering what everyone is using for axle thickness for straight gea r piets? Mine is 1-1/2" x .120 wall chromolly and I can see it flexing just sitting there.....i know somebody on here broke an axle and increased it t o 3/16 wall...... > > -------- > NX321LR > Fully Assembled > Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted. > Wings covered and primed=2C one painted > Mitsubishi Powered > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399294#399294 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model A water prob From: "bender" Ok. . After staring at my engine this morning it came to me. . The elbow in the top hose from the engine to the radiator was actually higher than the radiator with the tail on the ground. . So i made a new fitting. .I ran the engine full power on the ground. .. raised the tail with forward stick and no overflow. . Back on the ground it overflows. .I think it's a steam pocket from the lack of flow to the front of the head. My steam pipe is only a 3/8 tube. . I'm thinking it may need to be larger. . But the run with the tail up slightly showed that it would probably be ok in flight Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399302#399302 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:21 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Axle thickness? That would be me. My original axle was 1-1/2" OD, .120 wall. My new axle is 1-1/2" OD, .188 wall, heat treated after welding to 160,000 psi ultimate strength. The thin wall axle is ok if you don't have brakes and the wheels are very close to the V-blocks of the undercarriage. The problem comes when brakes require moving the wheels further outboard, which dramatically increases the moment applied to the axle. Add a stress riser, such as a guide pin to prevent axle rotation, and you can find yourself in the same situation I did. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 2:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Axle thickness? Just wondering what everyone is using for axle thickness for straight gear piets? Mine is 1-1/2" x .120 wall chromolly and I can see it flexing just sitting there.....i know somebody on here broke an axle and increased it to 3/16 wall...... -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted. Wings covered and primed, one painted Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399294#399294 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Axle thickness? From: "Jerry Dotson" Mine is 0.188 wall per Jack's experience and mine bows a little too. Can't really see it with the eye but a straight edge shows it. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399322#399322 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:19 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam Jim I wasnt going to share this with anyone but I have already showed this pic to a few guys from my EAA chapter so here it is. The point here is I had landed and was fast taxiing down the runway and something happend and I ran off the side of the runway into a snow bank. My point is my four point harness held me just fine, I would have been injured with a simple 2 point belt Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcus Zechini To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam Jim: While doing conditional, got a peek through inspection hole at how shoulder half is attached. Mine come thru slits in fabric behind the seat. I will pop in to CJR soon. Zeke GN-1 C-85-12 "Rosie" On Apr 24, 2013 2:02 PM, "Fun2av8" wrote: I've seen several Piets and they do NOT have shoulder harnesses - just seat belts. Does anyone use a 4-point harness in the back seat or is it tradition to use only a lap belt? If you do use a harness, and if you had to install it after the Piet was built - would share how you did it? Mr. Sam has only a lap belt. I would like to add a four point harness - but since the seat back is built-in to the frame - there will have to be some serious wood cutting to install the shoulder harness. Thoughts and suggestions are welcome. -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399290#399290 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Axle thickness? From: "Chris Rusch" Hi Jack, Where did your axle fail? At the anti rotation add on? jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote: > That would be me. My original axle was 1-1/2" OD, .120 wall. My new axle > is 1-1/2" OD, .188 wall, heat treated after welding to 160,000 psi ultimate > strength. > > The thin wall axle is ok if you don't have brakes and the wheels are very > close to the V-blocks of the undercarriage. The problem comes when brakes > require moving the wheels further outboard, which dramatically increases the > moment applied to the axle. Add a stress riser, such as a guide pin to > prevent axle rotation, and you can find yourself in the same situation I > did. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -- -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted. Wings covered and primed, one painted Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399329#399329 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone near Beaumont TX? From: "Mark Roberts" MIGHT be looking at moving to Beaumont... Anyone near there? 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