---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/26/13: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:08 AM - Re: Re: Axle thickness? (Clif Dawson) 2. 12:30 AM - Re: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (Clif Dawson) 3. 05:27 AM - Re: Telegram (echobravo4) 4. 05:33 AM - Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (AircamperN11MS) 5. 05:37 AM - Re: Telegram (AircamperN11MS) 6. 05:39 AM - Re: Ruddder Horn Repair (Andre Abreu) 7. 05:51 AM - Re: Ruddder Horn Repair (Jack) 8. 05:57 AM - Re: Telegram (TOM STINEMETZE) 9. 06:25 AM - Re: Axle thickness? (Chris Rusch) 10. 06:28 AM - Carb heat Filter?? (Chris Rusch) 11. 06:36 AM - Re: Carb heat Filter?? (AircamperN11MS) 12. 07:48 AM - Re: Carb heat Filter?? (Jack Phillips) 13. 07:59 AM - Re: Carb heat Filter?? (AircamperN11MS) 14. 07:59 AM - toilet paper can be dangerous (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 15. 09:06 AM - Re: Carb heat Filter?? (Chris Rusch) 16. 11:17 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 video (tkreiner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:24 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Axle thickness? Mine are 1 1/2" bronze flange bearings I made myself. The wheel needed some creative machining as my lathe/mill isn't big enough to chuck a 19" wheel. I made an extension for the outer side to place the bearings an extra 1 1/2" further apart. I did everything I could to keep the wheel as close as possible to the bungies thus reducing the bending moment on the axle. The only things not mounted on the airframe are the wing panels and fabric. The engine is 260 lb. There is no bending on the axle evident at all. It is 1 1/2" with 0.125 wall. I have purposely designed my brake system to not require anything welded to the axle. Will the 120 odd lb of wing panels make the axle bend? I don't know. Hopefully I will find out by the Fall. All in good time. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Aho To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:59 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Axle thickness? I will have to look at that setup. My wire wheel hubs are designed to slip on to the 1.5" axel. > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Axle thickness? > From: n0kkj@yahoo.com > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 07:48:13 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Hey Craig, > > Something to consider if you don't want to heat treat, is buying a tube already in the state you want and then use a method that doesn't require welding on the tube. > > 2RN has a 3/16 wall tube, but it has 1" solid inserts that go through the 1" ID bearings in the wheels (not sure of your setup). I imagine the 1" inserts (which have a 1/16 wall sleeve to make up the difference between 1 1/2OD, 1 1/8ID - 3/16 wall) do strengthen things up a bit more. Also has a free floating plate with the brake calipers. Anti rotation is via short cables so no welding is required. > > It's been stressed enough to severely bend up a wheel with no ill effects on the axle, so it's a proven system. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399359#399359 > > > > > > <============= > > > No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/25/13 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:31 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam Being a bit short torso'd,well, maybe short all over. I was 5' 8 1/2" when younger but now seem to have lost an inch of that somehow. Anyway,this means that my shoulders don't stick up above the turtle deck. THAT means my shoulder harness can safely route through the top edge of the seat back. I have cabled the two straps into one that goes back to the tail post. The rod that fits is 1\2" dia 6061-T6 alum. The black bits on the tail rod are rubber tube lengths to keep the cable centered. If you need them higher and also don't want to cut into the back then possibly my first idea might give you a start. That's the drawing. The bumps were going to be fabric covered balsa. Clif > I've seen several Piets and they do NOT have shoulder harnesses - just > seat belts. Does anyone use a 4-point harness in the back seat or is it > tradition to use only a lap belt? since the seat back is built-in to the frame - there will have to be some serious wood cutting to install the shoulder harness. .. > Jim McWhorter > N687MB (New Owner) > Culpeper, VA KCJR ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Telegram From: "echobravo4" Congratulations Bill! Great number choice too ;) -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399416#399416 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam From: "AircamperN11MS" Jim, I see you have two (VNE) speeds. I think the 100 MPH should be the correct one. You may want to do your own testing to see if all the different numbers do match your planes performance. What better way to learn about your new plane. Have fun flying and wear that open cockpit smile with pride. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399417#399417 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Telegram From: "AircamperN11MS" Congratulation Bill, What a great feeling when you get the signed docs saying you can fly it. Now go make an airplane out of it and fly. Happy Landings, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399418#399418 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:59 AM PST US From: Andre Abreu Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ruddder Horn Repair Thanks for letting me know.- The permissions on Picasa were not set corre ctly. =0AEveryone should be able to see these photos of the rudder horn fai lure now.=0A=0ABest Regards,=0AAndy Abreu=0AKTDZ =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________ _____________________=0A From: Jack =0ATo: "pietenpol-lis t@matronics.com" =0ASent: Thursday, April 25 , 2013 1:00 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ruddder Horn Repair=0A =0A=0A =0AAndy the link said page not found=0A=0ASent from my iPad=0AJack Textor =0A=0AOn Apr 24, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Andre Abreu wrote:=0A=0A=0AThe Rudder Horn on 6186L broke.- =0A>We removed it from the aircraft and made a repair... just in time for flying season.=0A>=0A>He re are some pictures.=0A>http://http://tinyurl.com/aqe27h3=0A>=0A>Andy Abre =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ruddder Horn Repair From: Jack It worked thanks Andy Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Apr 26, 2013, at 7:39 AM, Andre Abreu wrote: > Thanks for letting me know. The permissions on Picasa were not set correc tly. > Everyone should be able to see these photos of the rudder horn failure now .. > > Best Regards, > Andy Abreu > KTDZ > > > From: Jack > To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 1:00 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ruddder Horn Repair > > Andy the link said page not found > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Apr 24, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Andre Abreu wro te: > >> The Rudder Horn on 6186L broke. >> We removed it from the aircraft and made a repair... just in time for fly ing season. >> >> Here are some pictures. >> http://http://tinyurl.com/aqe27h3 >> >> Andy Abreu >> KTDZ > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:39 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Telegram Well, that Newt is not such a bad guy after all. Stinemetze do not archive >>> "BYD" 4/25/2013 5:14 PM >>> FYI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399393#399393 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/telegraph_one_177.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Axle thickness? From: "Chris Rusch" Thanks for all the input....im going to order up the .188 wall tube today. -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted. Wings covered and primed, one painted Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399423#399423 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat Filter?? From: "Chris Rusch" Ive been looking at various carb heat designs, and i notice none of them have air filters on the carb heat side??? am I missing something? i would think you would still want the air filterd, or am i over thinking this. -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted. Wings covered and primed, one painted Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399424#399424 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Carb heat Filter?? From: "AircamperN11MS" Chris, the standard is that it is unfiltered. Just be cautious when operating it on the ground and on dirt strips. I try not to fly through dust storms, so in the air your engine should be just fine. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399427#399427 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:43 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat Filter?? I've never seen an air filter on the carb heat side. Pulling carb heat serves two purposes - it provides warmer air to prevent or remove carburetor ice, but it also provides an alternate air source in case the air filter becomes clogged. This saved my butt years ago when flying my J-3 Cub. I was playing around with toilet paper, throwing a roll out the window and letting it unroll and stream down, then seeing how many times I could cut the paper before it got to the ground. I found the best way was to just do a series of tight loops, hitting the paper at the bottom of each loop. On one pass, I hit it right at the wingtip, catching it in the wingtip vortex. When I made the next loop, I found this beautiful spiral of toilet paper floating in the sky. I couldn't resist aiming for the very center of it, which I managed to hit. Big mistake. That mass of toilet paper packed into the carb air filter and immediately choked off the airflow. The engine sputtered and almost died before I managed to pull the carb heat and open up a new air source. Once I got it on the ground (I was right over the airport), I had to pull handfuls of smoldering toilet paper out of the cooling shrouds, in addition to peeling it out of the air filter. Not the smartest thing I've ever done with an airplane. But it was fun! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat Filter?? Ive been looking at various carb heat designs, and i notice none of them have air filters on the carb heat side??? am I missing something? i would think you would still want the air filterd, or am i over thinking this. -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted. Wings covered and primed, one painted Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399424#399424 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Carb heat Filter?? From: "AircamperN11MS" Jack, Great story. i have never tried cutting TP by doing loops. I like the idea. I have only gone in circles. I wasn't taking full advantage of the three dimensional world we pilots live in. I may try that next time. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399438#399438 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:57 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: toilet paper can be dangerous Hmmm....never had it block my air intake Jack but I did have it jamb up into the engine cooling eyebrows too one day and start to smolder on the top of those hot,hot cooling fins. I landed promptly and plucked the wad out trailing chards of tissue from the landing gear and X brace cables under the belly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGJx9mpJ--Y FF to 0:46 to see the action begin here with this pilot cutting toilet paper at Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome in NY. Crepe paper rolls are lots of fun to drop and slice too. I usually do red, white, and blue rolls on the 4th of July if the weather permits. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Carb heat Filter?? From: "Chris Rusch" Great information Jack Thanks! ok, then that part is done! I did put a screen in front of the heat box opening though. jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote: > I've never seen an air filter on the carb heat side. Pulling carb heat > serves two purposes - it provides warmer air to prevent or remove carburetor > ice, but it also provides an alternate air source in case the air filter > becomes clogged. > > This saved my butt years ago when flying my J-3 Cub. I was playing around > with toilet paper, throwing a roll out the window and letting it unroll and > stream down, then seeing how many times I could cut the paper before it got > to the ground. I found the best way was to just do a series of tight loops, > hitting the paper at the bottom of each loop. On one pass, I hit it right > at the wingtip, catching it in the wingtip vortex. When I made the next > loop, I found this beautiful spiral of toilet paper floating in the sky. I > couldn't resist aiming for the very center of it, which I managed to hit. > Big mistake. That mass of toilet paper packed into the carb air filter and > immediately choked off the airflow. The engine sputtered and almost died > before I managed to pull the carb heat and open up a new air source. > > Once I got it on the ground (I was right over the airport), I had to pull > handfuls of smoldering toilet paper out of the cooling shrouds, in addition > to peeling it out of the air filter. Not the smartest thing I've ever done > with an airplane. But it was fun! > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -- -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted. Wings covered and primed, one painted Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399445#399445 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Garmin 1000 video From: "tkreiner" Oscar, This just in... 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