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1. 07:36 AM - 40.5 HOURS!!! (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 08:03 AM - Re: 40.5 HOURS!!! (Gary Boothe)
3. 08:57 AM - Re: toilet paper can be dangerous (Baldeagle)
4. 09:00 AM - Re: Night Flying in a Piet (Baldeagle)
5. 01:36 PM - Re: 40.5 HOURS!!! (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
6. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam (Jim Boyer)
7. 05:25 PM - Re: Westcoast Piet Meeting @Frazer Lake Airpark (ANNCARLEK@aol.com)
8. 05:31 PM - Re: Well, I did it... Cut out that compression fracture (tools)
9. 06:02 PM - Re: Well, I did it... Cut out that compression fracture (Mark Roberts)
10. 06:14 PM - Re: Well, I did it... Cut out that compression fracture (tools)
11. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: Westcoast Piet Meeting @Frazer Lake Airpark (V Groah)
12. 07:17 PM - Re: Well, I did it... Cut out that compression fracture (Mark Roberts)
13. 07:19 PM - Re: Westcoast Piet Meeting @Frazer Lake Airpark (Mark Roberts)
14. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Westcoast Piet Meeting @Frazer Lake Airpark (Jim Boyer)
15. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: Westcoast Piet Meeting @Frazer Lake Airpark (Michael Groah)
16. 07:58 PM - Re: Well, I did it... Cut out that compression fracture (tools)
17. 08:41 PM - determining Vne (taildrags)
18. 08:44 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 video (taildrags)
19. 09:19 PM - Re: Well, I did it... Cut out that compression fracture (Mark Roberts)
20. 09:25 PM - Re: determining Vne (taildrags)
21. 10:45 PM - Re: Westcoast Piet Meeting @Frazer Lake Airpark (Mark Roberts)
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Well, just logged my flight from yesterday and the count comes to 40 hrs 30
minutes!!!
What verbiage should I use in the logbook to release her from the test
phase?
Douwe
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Congratulations, Douwe! Attached is an image of a sticker my inspector
provided me upon completion of Phase 1.
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 40.5 HOURS!!!
Well, just logged my flight from yesterday and the count comes to 40 hrs 30
minutes!!!
What verbiage should I use in the logbook to release her from the test
phase?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: toilet paper can be dangerous |
I clogged a pitot tube with TP the other week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1VPTIXACh0&list=UUWb5Y5B_JfGQwLJi6Vc-Q4w&index=2
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| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
and you'd be surprised at the sparks that fly out of a Model A at night on take-off.....
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Douwe,
Congratulations!
The exact verbiage should be in your Operating Limitations. Mine is almost the
same as Garys.
Skip
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From: Douwe Blumberg
Sent: 4/28/2013 10:37:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 40.5 HOURS!!!
Well, just logged my flight from yesterday and the count comes to 40 hrs 30 minutes!!!
What verbiage should I use in the logbook to release her from the test phase?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
Glad to hear it Dick; hope to see you at Bordhead.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Westcoast Piet Meeting @Frazer Lake Airpark |
We made our reservations at Hollister for May 30,June 1, so I'm counting on
someone else to show up! I'm ready to cover the wings, will probably have
this done before the meeting. Otherwise the tail feathers are done, as well
as the control system.. Carl and Ann Lekven
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| Subject: | Re: Well, I did it... Cut out that compression fracture |
Nicely done. In the end, you find you fret way longer than the actual process
takes.
Nice documentation as well, not a lot of this sort of stuff documented, wish I
had documented my repairs.
Lastly, nice job (again) for even finding it! Would be pretty easy to miss.
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| Subject: | Re: Well, I did it... Cut out that compression fracture |
Thanks Tools!
I might not have tried the repair if it wasn't for the group encouragement. I realized
it was not that tough once I knew it had to be repaired. Even if it was
minor, it would have been MAJOR in my mind during any appreciable turbulence!
Will post repaired spot when done.
Thanks again for the help and encouragement...
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| Subject: | Re: Well, I did it... Cut out that compression fracture |
Do you think maybe it was easier to see the fracture after finish was applied?
Kind of like using dye penetrant to find cracks in engine components?
Have any suspicions as to the cause of the fracture? Wind shake?
Never thought to go looking for cracks AFTER building, this may indicate that may
be a really good idea, especially those of us not using "certified" lumber.
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| Subject: | Re: Westcoast Piet Meeting @Frazer Lake Airpark |
Great!!!! hope to see you there. if the weather is good we should have se
veral completed Pietenpols there as well as a great group of builders in va
rious stages of completion. We are in our fifth year and to meet is starti
ng to really come together. A great group of guys and gals. Welcome to th
e group.
Vic NX414MV
From: ANNCARLEK@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Westcoast Piet Meeting @Frazer Lake Airpark
We made our reservations at Hollister for May 30=2CJune 1=2C so I'm countin
g on someone else to show up! I'm ready to cover the wings=2C will probably
have this done before the meeting. Otherwise the tail feathers are done=2C
as well as the control system.. Carl and Ann Lekven
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| Subject: | Re: Well, I did it... Cut out that compression fracture |
I did see the cracks in the raw lumber when I brought it home. I worked at a specialty
lumber yard for year with a friend of mine. His dad owned the shop, and
he stocked raw, air dried Sitka and sold it by the board foot for WAAAY less
than ACS. Youjust have to saw it and plane it to size.
So, I saw the fracture, but being lazy, I didn't want to have to cut a new strip
and plane it down, so I tried to get the laaaasssst little bit out of the board
I had to size, and I used the end of the piece I cut, but didn't see the one
side that was damaged. I thought I had cut the piece off that had the fracture.
I am sure there are no other spots, because I remember that board, and when and
where I was when using that last piece. All was inspected, but when I grabbed
that one, I knew I was close to the fracture, but some how I missed that side.
The rest of the board used didn't have the cracks on it.
I know, it sounds like I coud have missed something else if I missed this one spot,
but I know the boards I used were clean. I was just trying to push my luck,
and should have known better. I'm not in a race. But I am eager to fly! :o)
It was easier to see when the varnish was applied.
Thanks again!
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Westcoast Piet Meeting @Frazer Lake Airpark |
I can't wait!
This is one of the best weekends of the year for me.
Mark and Jody Roberts
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| Subject: | Re: Westcoast Piet Meeting @Frazer Lake Airpark |
Hi Carl and Ann,
Where are located in California? Building a Piet myself here in Santa Rosa and
have the fuselage and tail surfaces covered and primed. Working on the wings now.
See you at Frazier Lake.
Cheers,
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Westcoast Piet Meeting @Frazer Lake Airpark |
Carl, =0A=0A=0AI'm looking forward to the event too and I'm glad to hear yo
u are making good progress on your project ( we need to see pictures! ).-
I have over forty people that have responded saying they are coming which
includes nine Pietenpols attending.- Of course the numbers will change so
me as people's plans and commitments change.- In any case we will have a
good turnout.- Even the year it was really stormy we had a good turn out
of builders that drove in.- It's a fun day!=0A=0A=0AMike Groah=0A=0A=0A
=0A________________________________=0A From: "ANNCARLEK@aol.com" <ANNCARLEK
@aol.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, April 28, 201
3 5:24 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Westcoast Piet Meeting @Frazer Lak
e Airpark=0A =0A=0A=0AWe made our reservations at Hollister for May 30,June
1, so I'm counting on =0Asomeone else to show up! I'm ready to cover the w
ings, will probably have this =0Adone before the meeting. Otherwise the tai
l feathers are done, as well as the =0Acontrol system..- Carl and Ann Lek
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| Subject: | Re: Well, I did it... Cut out that compression fracture |
Ok, this leads to the next question, are those fractures "wind shake" fractures?
I've read about them with respect to grading sitka, but have never seen them
in all the other species of wood I've worked.
If so, are they common, generally easy to see... just trying to learn a little
more.
How it wound up there makes sense and could easily do that myself. Just glad to
know you generally felt confident about knowing where these fractures are as
you dimension the wood.
Thanks for the heads up on all of this!
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(I changed the subject line from "A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam")- regarding the redline
on your airspeed indicator, and the Vne posted in the operating limitations
for your airplane, here's something I posted back in January of 2008:
I believe that one of the methods of determining Vne is that it is set at 90% of
dive speed, Vd, and that Vd is required to be 1.4 times design cruise speed
for certification in the normal category.
Let's take an example... my airplane. I think I redlined my airspeed indicator
at 95MPH (based on somebody else's info), which would mean it should have been
designed for Vd of 105MPH but I have no idea if it was. It also means that
cruise speed should be about 75MPH and that's pretty close to where I cruise,
if a little high. But here's better information: the Pietenpol family website
shows the original Piet "high speed" as 90MPH. That would hint at a designer's
approved Vd of 100MPH and a cruise of 71MPH, which sounds more like reality
for this airplane.
I have heard that in order to flight-test to determine Vne, you'd have to fly at
Vd for three minutes with no damage or flutter, then redline your Vne at 90%
of the tested Vd. I'm not sure I'd want to hold 41CC at 105MPH for three minutes.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 1000 video |
Tom; thanks for the link. However, it appears that this workshop is based on the
Dynon and I'm interested in the Garmin. Hard enough to learn one system, let
alone two ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Well, I did it... Cut out that compression fracture |
This looked more like a fracture that came from hitting something after the lumber
was cut. It definitely shattered the first few rings of the wood and could
easily be seen in the wood. I know other fractures are hairline fractures that
run across grain. I saw none of those in the wood I cut.
Interesting to look and grade your own wood. Some might be scared to do it, but
if you read the books/advisories on how to grade wood, it isn't rocket science.
The boards I carved up for this were actually vertical grain, spar grade spruce.
But, that's all he had on hand, and I was eager to start cutting and making
little sticks, so I bought some really sweet wood for the fuse!
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| Subject: | Re: determining Vne |
By the way, I'll save Jack Phillips from going back and re-posting his followup
to my post from 2008. Never one to mince words, but always someone who speaks
from sound experience, he wrote-
"I've never had my Pietenpol faster than about 90, and it was really 'not happy'
at that speed, and let me know it. As usual, Bernard knew what he was doing."
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Westcoast Piet Meeting @Frazer Lake Airpark |
Wow Mike!! 9 piets this year?? The most we've had in the past has been 3, right?
What a fun day this year will be. I need to stock up on my film this year. No,
wait. That's SO last century. I think I can get a few thousand pics on my memory
cards these days...
Mark
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